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  • It was decided to rename Spell My Name With An S to Inconsistent Spelling, only allow official and intentional examples, and allow long vowels by removing the rule forbidding long vowels. Clean up that don't fit the revised definition. Only official and intentional alternate spellings are allowed; fan spellings are not allowed, but may fit Viewer Name Confusion instead.
    • Clean up on-page examples.
    • Clean up wicks.

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Note: This thread was proposed by RallyBot2.

Spell My Name Wick Check

This trope has many, many problems. The last thread for it came to a non-crowner consensus to restrict to official examples, but was never actually cleaned up.

The trope's own description implies it's for works not officially released in English, explains why fans use weird spellings, and then goes into a long-winded rant about transliteration that has nearly nothing to do with the trope. It then gives an arbitrary rule that "minor differences" such as the various ways to transliterate long vowels are barred from being examples.

Fan spelling examples are more prevalent that official spelling examples at the moment, but outright misuse (usually for other translation tropes or My Nayme Is) is more common than either.

My proposed solution:

  • Make the trope for only official and intentional spellings in the same language (i.e. fan spellings, third-party sources, and the English differing from the romaji don't count.)
  • Remove the "no long vowels" rule as it's an artifact from the era of fan spellings.
  • Rewrite the description to clarify what the trope is supposed to be.

Other possible solutions:

  • Rename or merge into Inconsistent Dub. (Only if the problems with the trope are so widespread as to make it unsalvageable, which I did not quite find.)

Wick check:

As of writing, there are 3241 wicks in Characters/ and 4735 from other namespaces (excluding Sandbox as usual.) I'll split the character pages proportionally from the rest, leading to a check of 50 character pages and 73 non-character pages.

If a page has more than three examples, I'm only counting the first three (to prevent misuse from a single work page throwing off the numbers.) I will ignore a pothole/sinkhole if there's a proper example for the same name on the same page.

Categories are:

  • Multiple Official Spellings
  • Fan Spellings
  • Unclear (it's not clear whether it's two official spellings)
  • Unsure (more information needed; the line between these two categories is pretty thin)
  • Misuse
  • Sinkhole
  • In-Universe
  • Meta

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Multiple Official Spellings (16/72)

  • Castlevania The Belmont Clan: His name is listed as Simon Belmondo at the end of the first game (as well as Chronicles), but it's Simon Belmont in the sequel. Japanese material tends to be based on the former, while the latter is the English standard.
  • Doctor Who Expanded Universe: ...with his only permanent companion being his beloved car, Bessie (there renamed "Betsy"). Pothole on a Demoted to Extra example, at the end of a long unrelated paragraph.
  • .hack//First Generation: Early English-language printings of the manga romanized her name as "Orca."
  • EDENS ZERO: Oración Seis Galáctica Associates: Kodansha's simulpub originally spelled her name as "Milani", which was changed to "Mirrani" in the volume edition once its mirror-related theme became apparent. I'm assuming "simulpub" here means English.
  • Fairy Gone: The Funimation subs for the show spell her name as "Marlya" while in other materials it is Maria.
  • Jellystone!: Jonny's name is spelled 'Johnny' in the closed captions and episode credits. Existing character (Jonny Quest) so the "Jonny" spelling is known to be valid.
  • Kim Possible - Villains: The DisneyNOW closed captions spell her name as "Sheego".
  • My Hero Academia - Katsuki Bakugo: The last part of official hero name, "Dynamight", is pronounced the same way as "Dynamite", and the katakana used doesn't lend itself to one spelling over the other. Initially, "Dynamite" was used for the official translations, but it was later updated to use "Dynamight".
  • Need for Speed Rivals: It's clear his name is spelled F-8, but it's also clear the onscreen subtitles at times display "Fate" instead of F-8. Is that an intentional pun?
  • Sailor Moon Dark Kingdom: In the DiC dub, their official site and the synopsis on the back of their VHS's spell his name "Neflite", but other sources have spelled his name "Nephlite" (which most fans of this dub agree on nowadays) or "Neflyte".
  • Scott Pilgrim: "Roxie" in the comic, "Roxy" in the movie.
  • The Boys (2019): Other: What exactly is her last name? The show's subtitles and dialogue calls her Mannheim, but a chryon calls her Manning. Assuming the "chryon" [sic] is not an in-universe mistake or something.
  • The Garden of Sinners:
    • Even the official manga translation can't seem to decide if it's "Kokutou", "Kokuto" or "Kokutoh".
    • His second name is "Godot Word" in the official subtitles.
  • The Nostalgia Critic: Tamara's Characters: It's not quite clear whether her surname is two words or one. It's typically spelt as "Hyper Fan Girl" on social media and in the titles of in-character vlogs, but a few spell it as "Hyper Fangirl" (such as her Q&A video). Hyper lampshades in her hate comments video how many fans misspell her name, but she singles out "Fan Girl" as the misspelling, despite that being the spelling used in that same video's title.
  • World End What Do You Do At The End Of The World Are You Busy Will You Save Us: The official site spells her name as Lillia, but the anime shows it on-screen as Lilya.

Fan Spellings (15/72)

  • Aikatsu Stars! Flower Song Class: Her name is officially romanized as "Rola Sakuraba". Most fans however find Rola to be a strange name and often refer to her as Laura and less commonly, Lola, both of which were theorized names before it was confirmed.
  • Don't Toy with Me, Miss Nagatoro:
    • His family name "Hachiouji" can also be spelled "Hachioji" or "Hachiōji".
    • Her family name is romanized as "Gamou" by the author himself, instead of alternatives like "Gamō" or indeed "Gamo". The last option wasn't taken probably because as spelled in Japanese script, it's clear that the "Gamo" in "Gamo-chan" is pronounced-slightly differently from her family name.
    • "Ichiro" could also be spelled "Ichirou" or "Ichirō".
  • EDENS ZERO: Oración Seis Galáctica Associates: Before the ship's name is shown in the manga proper, it's spelled as "Berial Goer", then "Belial Goer", and finally "Belial Gore". The English anime dub and subtitles stick with "Belial Goer".
  • Fairy Gone: Its name as spelled in the subtitles literally translates to "Egg Head." It's probably supposed to actually be "Eisenkopf" which means "Iron Head."
  • Honkai Impact 3rd - Anti Entropy: His surname is either "Young" or "Yang", though his Stigmata set, the comics and Post-Honkai Odyssey's English localization go with the latter. Considering that in Japanese version, his name is read as "Welt You", it's likely that "Yang" is the more proper spelling.note 
  • Mobile Suit Gundam ZZ: Mashymre is his official English name, though "Mashymyre" and "Mashmyre" have been used in unofficial translations.
  • My Hero Academia - Katsuki Bakugo: His last name can be romanized as "Bakugo", "Bakugō", or "Bakugou". Official materials translate it as "Bakugo", but fans use "Bakugou" just as often.
  • My Hero Academia - Shota Aizawa: His first name can be spelled "Shōta", "Shota", or "Shouta".
  • Pretty Rhythm Aurora Dream: Rizumu's name is canonically spelled "Rizumu" on official marketing, but you still have fans writing her name out as "Rhythm."
  • Shaman King: Like his master, he runs afoul of this due to the Chinese language transliteration. In his native language, it would be Ma Sun, which becomes either Ma Son or Ba Son in Japanese, depending on how the kanji is read. The English translation and the anime decided on the latter, so Bason it was.
  • Trails Series Erebonia Thors Class VII Original:
    • Does his name need that second "l", or not? XSEED settles with two "l"s.
    • Is it Miriam or Millium? It's Millium in XSeed's official localization.
  • WCWNWA: Officially, his last name is spelt Zbyszko, but is sometimes misspelled like Zbysko or Zybysko.

Unclear (22/72)

Unsure (8/72)

  • Fairy Tail – Edolas:
    • Her name is spelled "Knightwalker" by Funimation. From context, it's clear that Kodansha USA spells it Nightwalker. The example is valid if Funimation's translation is, but a commented-out note claims that Knightwalker is from a fan translation.
    • Other sources spell Natsu's last name 'Dragion'. What other sources, and are they in English?
    • Despite his Japanese name being pronounced something akin to "soh-ROOJ", his surname is commonly spelled as "Surge". Spelled by whom?
  • Hawkeye: Enemies: Sort of. He’s Trickshot, his predecessor was Trick Shot. Pothole on a Legacy Character example. If it's not the same character and the only difference is a space, I'm leaning towards it not being an example.
  • Ring of Honor: Also known as Ty Darius, Ty Darious and...well most people just call him TD. "Also known as" by whom? Is it canonical? (Does wrestling even have canon?)
  • Street Fighter II: His wife's name can be spelled as either Sari or Sally, while son's name is either Datta, Dhatta (accurate for Indian culture), or (going by SVC Chaos' "translation") Dadda. The latter makes me think we have two actual translations, though Capcom did not develop or publish SVC Chaos.
  • The Inbetweeners: The Lads: Alternates between spelling his name as "Neil" and "Niel" throughout the yearbook, presumably because he's too stupid to know how to properly spell it consistently. Does a character not knowing how to spell his own name count as this trope?
  • Yu-Gi-Oh! Other Characters: Her original name is シンディア, which can be transliterated as Cyndia, although some spell it as Cynthia or Cindia. Then there's her dub name, Cecelia Pegasus, which becomes Cecilia, despite the fact that the proper dub name was shown in episode 40. The first sentence is fan spelling, but does the second sentence imply it's shown up as Cecilia once? Weird phrasing.

Misuse (10/72)

In-Universe (1/72)

  • Final Fantasy VII: Machinabridged: An in-universe running gag is whenever she's in battle with the group, the result screen will write her name as "Aeris". As this is machinima, I'm assuming that "results screen" refers to clips from FFVII itself, in which she can be renamed. This makes it an intentional decision on the part of the creators, thus a valid in-universe example.

    Others 

Multiple Official Spellings (13/79)

Fan Spellings (11/79)

  • GratuitousEnglish.Video Games: In the Japanese Tales of Symphonia, two of the main characters were named in Gratuitous English: the healer was named Refill, and her brilliant little brother was named Genius. These were thankfully changed to Raine and Genis for the English translation, although some fans use them anyway.
  • Headscratchers.Yu Gi Oh Sevens: Neiru is a valid, if very literal, transliteration of the character's name. Nail is also valid, though a lot of subs go with Neil. It's a decent compromise, but it's ultimately up to personal preference.
  • Disgaea Novels: Most of the new characters' names, since there are no official spelling for their names in English. Also a ZCE.
  • Full Metal Panic!: Tessa's full name seems like it ought to be "Theresa" or "Teresa," but the official spelling is "Teletha" instead.
  • NMB48: Word of God hasn't confirmed how カモネギックス is spelled: most common spellings are Kamonegics, Kamonegikkusu and Kamonegiks.
  • Sunmi: Sunmi can be spelled as "Seonmi".
  • Kamen Rider Gaim:
    • The name of the monsters might be seen as Inves, Invase, Inbess, and so on. Officially, it's "Inves"; though "Invase" might be more accurate since the name is derived from "invasive species" (as Ryoma calls the Helheim flora in #20).
    • Is "Lockseed" one or two words? Officially, Lockseed is just one word.
    • Mitsuzane's nickname could be spelled as "Micchy", "Micchi", "Mitchy" or "Mitch".
  • Noob: Happens a lot among fans only following the webseries, despite the fact that cursors keep the name of anyone that matters from getting any worse than a Freeze-Frame Bonus. Kary is a big victim of it, with mispelling going up to "Carrie" and anything in between existing. Other common mistakes are "Istos" and "Gaia".
  • Tales Of The Rays: The naming scheme for the Bifrost Empire is heavily based on Norse mythology which is already rife with this trope. And with no official romanizations, expect fan translations to have different spellings for all of them.

Unclear (10/79)

Unsure (8/79)

Misuse (31/79)

Sinkhole (3/79)

In-Universe (1/79)

  • The Dark Hunters: From Acheron... to Asheron... and later Ash... note 

Meta (2/79)

Totals:

  • Multiple Official Spellings: 29/151 (19%)
  • Fan Spellings: 26/151 (17%)
  • Unclear: 32/151 (11%)
  • Unsure: 16/151 (21%)
  • Misuse: 41/151 (27%)
  • Sinkhole: 3/151 (2%)
  • In-Universe: 2/151 (1%)
  • Meta: 2/151 (1%)

Assuming fan spellings are out, that means that at best around one-third of examples are correct usage with proper context. It's more likely closer to one-fourth.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Oct 13th 2023 at 11:43:42 AM

WarJay77 Big Catch, Sparkle Edition from The Void (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
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#76: Dec 28th 2023 at 2:12:21 PM

That might just be a variation on Accidental Misnaming.

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#77: Dec 28th 2023 at 2:23:41 PM

The name "Maggey" itself qualifies for (and is listed on) My Nayme Is, so I think it should be safe to remove her once I get the chance.

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StarSword Captain of USS Bajor from somewhere in deep space Since: Sep, 2011
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#78: Dec 28th 2023 at 3:09:06 PM

Yeah, My Nayme Is is basically the spelling version of It Is Pronounced "Tro-PAY": you're spelling the name in an unusual way to stand out.

Edited by StarSword on Dec 28th 2023 at 6:09:23 AM

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#79: Jan 5th 2024 at 10:20:02 AM

This example on Characters.Black Butler Phantomhive Household doesn't seem to qualify as Inconsistent Spelling because it's not clear whether it's the creators, other characters or larger fandom misspelling this character's name:



Zero-Context Example at best, Fan Myopia at worst.

Edited by Riolugirl on Jan 5th 2024 at 6:20:14 PM

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#81: Jan 5th 2024 at 10:21:44 AM

[up]On it!


...I pressed the enter key while typing an edit reason for WhatCouldHaveBeen.Kirby while my edit was unfinished with the intent to add a paragraph. I did not know that it would instead confirm the edit. I still had one wick left to remove, too... Fixed.

Edited by Riolugirl on Jan 8th 2024 at 2:41:00 PM

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#82: Jan 8th 2024 at 10:41:38 AM

I notice that the Spell My Name With An S page gives this description for Adaptation Name Change: "A character's name or term from the work is deliberately altered when adapted for another audience, language, or media format." Yet, the Adaptation Name Change page itself says "This trope only applies when the adaptation is in the same language as the original. When a character's name changes in a translation, that's Dub Name Change." (Dub Name Change is not listed on the Spell My Name With An S page.) What should be done about this?

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#83: Jan 8th 2024 at 12:27:59 PM

[up]I removed the reference to languages from Adaptation Name Change's line. That word was added with no edit reason after the disambiguation page was already made.

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#84: Jan 8th 2024 at 1:01:18 PM

What do you think about adding Dub Name Change or Inconsistent Dub to the disambiguation page?

Edited by FSharp on Jan 8th 2024 at 4:11:31 AM

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#85: Jan 8th 2024 at 4:01:49 PM

[up]Go ahead. Adding to a disambiguation page is a free action.

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#86: Feb 11th 2024 at 12:42:32 PM

Bumping to help raise awareness to the trope's wick cleaning project. As of now, it has exactly 5964 wicks.

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#87: Feb 12th 2024 at 6:10:22 AM

I can confirm about the Richman Fight case in the "Unclear" section in the "Other" folder, as I was the one who originally typed it:

The character is usually spelled as "Wu Mhi" in the main installments (for the ones without English texts in game, it's shown in the instruction manuals' "playable characters" section, with the characters are also given official English spelling) and spelled "Umi" in Fight, which is a official spinoff with actual English texts in game. (Sadly this spinoff has EOSed since the start of 2023, but luckily I managed to get some screenshots of the game's English text before then and can confirmed she's indeed spelled in that way there)

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#89: Feb 12th 2024 at 11:33:02 AM

From Music.Weird Al Yankovic — is this a case of Viewer Name Confusion?


  • Spell My Name With An S: He doesn't like it when people pronounce his last name "Yank-o-VITCH" (or spell it with an 'H'). His band elaborates in "Al's Band".

Edited by Riolugirl on Feb 12th 2024 at 7:33:36 PM

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#90: Feb 12th 2024 at 1:45:30 PM

[up]I say this doesn't completely fit the case for the trope in my eyes even when considering reality than fiction which is judging from what I am reading. So yeah you can remove it unless there are some solid reasons why it fit's.

Edited by Echidna on Feb 12th 2024 at 4:46:16 AM

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#92: Feb 12th 2024 at 2:12:04 PM

[up]In that case, I'd have to move it to the YMMV tab. Done.

Edited by Riolugirl on Feb 12th 2024 at 10:15:48 AM

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#93: Feb 12th 2024 at 6:40:48 PM

It doesn't fit Viewer Pronunciation Confusion, which is NRLEP. I've removed it.

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#95: Feb 12th 2024 at 8:29:53 PM

I guess "no real life examples" means "no random words or actual names"? "Yankovic" is Weird Al's actual surname, so no to that example I suppose.

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#96: Feb 12th 2024 at 8:31:19 PM

Yeah, it's been debated before what "counts" as real-life when it comes to audience reactions. It's not black and white.

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#97: Feb 12th 2024 at 8:47:14 PM

Well, in that case I'm inclined to allow it since Weird Al literally has a song about his name getting mispronounced, though maybe we should reclassify it as an In-Universe example for the main page.

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#98: Feb 13th 2024 at 3:29:50 PM

Making it an in-universe example sidesteps the NRLEP problem nicely.

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#99: Feb 14th 2024 at 5:31:38 PM

The description of Inconsistent Spelling says "The creators of a work have multiple spellings for a name or term from the work. Previously known as 'Spell My Name with an S'." Do the people making the dub count as creators? If so, does this trope allow examples where the dub and the original language spell the character's name differently that wouldn't fit Dub Name Change because the name isn't "drastically" changed?

Edited by FSharp on Feb 14th 2024 at 8:34:15 AM

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#100: Feb 14th 2024 at 6:59:53 PM

[up][up] Should I move it to the main page, then?

[down] Darn it, I misclicked! Fixed.

Edited by Lymantria on Feb 14th 2024 at 4:50:07 PM

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Trope Repair Shop: Spell My Name with an S
3rd Aug '23 11:48:44 AM

Crown Description:

Consensus was to do the following with Spell My Name With An S:
  • Rename
  • Only allow official and intentional examples
  • Allow long vowels

What should the trope's new name be?

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