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openResubmit Old pages
Is it against the rules on TLP to delete your own pages and then resubmit them.
openIs this a valid example of Playing Against Type? Web Original
So someone added this to Etra chan saw it!:
- Playing Against Type: In this episode, Azami, who usually plays an Obnoxious In-Law, gets the role of the abused daughter-in-law and her usual role goes to Akane. Yuzuriha is also cast as a nerdy girl, which is usually Tsutsuji's role, and Tsutsuji herself gets Yuzuriha's usual role as a Crusading Lawyer.
As far as I know, the trope seems to cover only actors that play against what they're usually cast for, and don't include any in-universe examples. (For context, Etra chan saw it! has the characters as actors In-Universe).
Edited by mickey96openNasuverse makes placing examples difficult again
I just discovered the Series Fic page (which seems to be something between a trope and an index), and the examples are separated by the type of source material (comic, crossover, videogames, etc).
Well, I wanted to add Fanfic.Servant Shenanigans on that list, but the issue is that it's a Franchise.Fate Series fic. The issue with the Fate Series (and Nasuverse) is that they're made up of MANY different media. The fic I mentioned has a book, a videogame, and the anime adaptation if a segment of a visual novel as its source material. Even though they're all part of the same franchise.
Where do I place this!?
Mind you, this is hardly the only time Nasuverse causes issues with placing examples. I remember posting another ATT over finding videogame examples in the anime page because of this mess (because all Nasuverse-related animes are adaptations of many other forms of media, and then someone decided to expand on THOSE) and overall I have no idea what a permanent solution would be.
In short: where do we list franchise-wide Nasuverse and Fate Series examples, when the franchise covers five forms of media on top of my head?
openVolkov The Terrible
Volkov The Terrible has consistent issues with grammar that I sent them notifiers over, which they disregarded and are instead continuing with their streak of grammatically incorrect contributions.
Edited by Oddmanresolved Crosswicking
Is someone not crosswicking grounds for a report here similar to e.g. Example Indentation in Trope Lists or serious grammar issues?
Lately I've been noticing that a lot of people simply don't crosswick, to the point where my outgoing PMs are mostly crosswicking notifiers these days.
resolved Why split tropes from the protagonist and antagonist pages?
Is there a reason why The Protagonist and The Antagonist has their tropes listed on different pages? Why not have them be part of the same page as the definition or an index?
Edited by TheharboopenPossible edit war
On YMMV.Touken Ranbu Warriors (and it's previous name Touken Ranbu Musuo):
- Troper biggestSoap added an Esoteric Happy Ending entry on its previous name before I moved it.
- I removed it, citing this comment on the "Is this an Example" thread".
- Soap added it again (albeit rewritten) on the new named page.
I'm not sure if edit warring counts when a page is moved from its original language title to one that is officially localized so I wish to know.
Edited by Ayumi-chanopenCrunchyroll Anime
In light of the March 2022 renaming of Funimation to Crunchyroll LLC as well as the Funimation brand being phased out a few weeks ago, I'm thinking about moving Creator.Funimation to Creator.Crunchyroll and/or Creator.Crunchyroll LLC.
Given that, are there any thoughts?
Edited by gjjonesopenAbout the Elden Ring cut content
I've noticed that the Elden Ring pages make liberal use of the cut content that was data mined from the game files, there's even a section on the character page dedicated to the cut characters.
This makes some sense, as some of them help to understand the characters and mysteries of the game, and there is the possibility that they were cut out to save them for later content, such as St. Trina's questline. However, other information seems to contradict what is known, such as a cut dialogue in which Morgott refers to himself as Elden Lord, something that is impossible.
Furthermore, this information is presented as factually correct, although we do not know if this is the case. Bernahl's maiden is mentioned in his folder but is never mentioned in the base game and was apparently cut very early in development, as she was only mentioned in the Japanese version. It's commonly agreed that it was the merchants who summoned the Frenzied Flame in retaliation for being persecuted by the Golden Order, but this is only known thanks to Kalé's questline, which was cut and is not mentioned anywhere else in the game, in fact, Shabriri's Woe suggests that it was Shabriri himself who summoned the Frenzied Flame.
My point with this is not to argue whether everything I mentioned is true or not, what I want to discuss is whether it is right to use content that the creator has decided not to include in the final product and present it as valid, even if we don't know if it is still canon.
I think we should treat all information that is not in the final game as non-canon until the creator releases more content.
Edited by SoyValdo7resolved Indentation edit warring, again
Earlier today, I had reported that Tailikku violated example indentation (as well as the policy against word cruft) on YMMV.The Legend Of Zelda I, and I had fixed the issues only for them to reinstate the improper indentation. In that query, I was given the OK to fix the issue (since it would otherwise have been Step 4 of edit warring); I even cited the aforementioned ATT query when I made the edit.
Sadly, they reinstated the misindentation yet again (thus the third time in a row), which is now Step 5 of edit warring.
I'm at a loss here, I'm afraid. Even if I received permission to revert the improper indentation, they'd probably bring it back a fourth time. They claim to be "fixing indentation", but turning that entry into a standalone third-bullet entry is anything but fixing.
openKuruni removes Working versions of movies from Moments Pages claiming they are "Meta"
So I did as I was told and realized Kuruni deletes working versions (As in Meterial that is not canon to the final version of a movie but was still legitimately realized Bonus Material) saying they "Are meta moments". I dont think these are meta at all and as I was told on the moments thread there is no actual rule saying these are against the rules.
EDIT: This is from Coco
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/article_history.php?article=TearJerker.Coco&page=10#edit35539572
I think what happened is that ANOTHER troper thought the deleted scenes WERE meta and put them under that folder and Kuruni removed them entirely, so its not Kuruni who is at fault here.
EDIT 2: https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/article_history.php?article=TearJerker.Zootopia&page=8#edit35539628
Yup, that's pretty much what happened.
Edited by AegisPresolved TRS Crowner
There is an active crowner for Nice to the Waiter at the Trope Repair Shop. Click here if you want to join the discussion.
openTrying to avoid an Edit War
A while ago I added the following example to Family Guy S 7 E 12 Episode 420:
- Broken Aesop: The episode advocates for the legalization of marijuana by having Brian specifically say that the town's productivity has gone up since everyone started smoking. However, this is contradicted by some scenes that show how those who have used the substance have become almost completely unable to function properly. Tom and Diane can barely form cohesive sentences while reporting the news, and Peter himself struggles to set up one of his trademark Cutaway Gags.
Noob Master later changed "Broken Aesop" into "Don't Shoot the Message", without making any other modifications. The problem is that, in doing so, this became a Zero-Context Example. The entry is about how events within the work contradict the presented viewpoint, which is the definition of Broken Aesop. Don't Shoot the Message should specifically describe how viewers agree with the message, but dislike the execution.
As such, I would like to ask for permission to revert the trope to what it originally was.
openCaseoh page Web Original
I'm wondering if since he's starting to become popular, Caseoh can get a page. I mentioned him on Gentle Giants and so far that's the only Trope I have for him (I couldn't find a waifu trope for the Dolores bit, maybe Celeb Crush?), but it might become an edit war. I would like help creating a page.
Edited by RoseFuddresolved Indentation edit-warring Videogame
On YMMV.The Legend Of Zelda I, Tailikku had added two entries, one of which was improperly indented and also began with word cruft ("Speaking of"). I fixed both issues and sent them a word cruft notifier... then they edited the example to reinstate the lone third-bullet asterisks for the second entry (they cited "fixing indentation [and] formatting" in the edit reason, but what they're doing is repeating an editing issue).
I'm writing this query to ask for permission to revert that improper bullet sorting once again.
Edited by MyFinalEditsopenHow should album titles be handled?
I'm considering making a page on this site for an album, but I've found out that the album shares a name with an unrelated TV series — and the show is also capitalized differently from the album — so I'll have to add something to the title to prevent confusion between the two.
However, I'm not sure how this is handled in regards to music. With some media (e.g. TV shows, movies, and video games), the standard procedure in most cases is to just add the year that the work was released. With albums, I think either "Album", "(Name of Musician)", or "(Name of Musician) Album" is supposed to be added to the end — but I'm not sure if there's a rule about which one I should do.
Edited by punkcrowresolved Disputed YMMV deletion has escalated into an edit war
The lead-up to this has been raised and resolved earlier, but having looked at the Awesome Moments page for FF7 Rebirth, it seems that the Troper who was originally raised for deleting a moment example over a disagreement has deleted the example again.
Now granted, the restoring edit didn't cite the ATT thread that agreed on the restoration, but irrespective of that, an edit war is still an edit war, deleting YMMV and moment examples based on disagreements without obtaining consensus isn't allowed, and if I'm interpreting the deletion reason right, the primary argument for deleting the example seems conspicuously reliant on ignoring context.
Edited by Akriloth2160openIndexing question
How do I make CentralTheme.Spider Man Across The Spider Verse show up as a namespace in the top menu for the work?
Edited by eroock
So, on YMMV.Wish 2023, the following happened:
This was not discussed anywhere and looking through the page Lilybelle has a habit of adding mostly complainy entries to the Wish YMMV page which while not exactly unexpected with its lackluster reception did catch my attention with the potential edit war going on. Either way is this an edit war?
However, I think the added sentence would work better as a Hype Backlash entry.
Edited by Bullman