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* ''Fanfic/IWokeUpAsADungeonNowWhat:'' The two Empires fighting over Central: The Khanites are a horde of barbarians whose culture is built on slavery and MightMakesRight, while the Velthians are actively attempting a program of genocide against anyone of Khannite descent. The Ariman Empire, meanwhile, is incredibly isolationistic and xenophobic to the point where any Ariman who leaves the country can never return. Central seems to be the only faction whose leaders aren't total monsters.
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* ''Literature/TheBookOfMormon'': The usual endgame for cities and nations. Mormon asserts that this is LaserGuidedKarma and a part of natural law; "it is by the wicked that the wicked are punished; for it is the wicked that stir up the hearts of the children of men unto bloodshed."
** Lamanites massacring the city of Ammonihah. The attackers were lashing out in frustration after their assault on the peaceful people of Anti-Nephi-Lehi didn't go according to plan. The defenders had exiled everyone who believed in God and then burned their families.
** The final battles of the Nephites. The Lamanites feed their prisoners on the flesh of their own families. The Nephites rape their prisoners, torture them to death, and then eat them "like unto wild beasts".
** The total mutual annihilation of the Jaredite factions. Both sides are so "drunk with anger" that even the king can't stop his supporters from fighting.
** On a smaller scale, Korihor the anti-Christ, after being cursed mute and cast out, is trampled to death by the Zoramites, who have no sympathy for the poor.
** Lamanites massacring the city of Ammonihah. The attackers were lashing out in frustration after their assault on the peaceful people of Anti-Nephi-Lehi didn't go according to plan. The defenders had exiled everyone who believed in God and then burned their families.
** The final battles of the Nephites. The Lamanites feed their prisoners on the flesh of their own families. The Nephites rape their prisoners, torture them to death, and then eat them "like unto wild beasts".
** The total mutual annihilation of the Jaredite factions. Both sides are so "drunk with anger" that even the king can't stop his supporters from fighting.
** On a smaller scale, Korihor the anti-Christ, after being cursed mute and cast out, is trampled to death by the Zoramites, who have no sympathy for the poor.
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* In the ''WebVideo/DreamSMP'', this is {{subverted|Trope}}. [[BigBad Dream]] states in Season 4 that he sees the server as this as he thinks that just about everyone on the server has done terrible things and openly sees himself as a bad person (not that he thinks there's anything wrong with that), but considering the facts that 1) not all crimes are equal (case in point, Dream himself is said to have crossed the MEH through copious amounts of child abuse [[spoiler:to the point his victim almost killed himself]], but most characters have not committed crimes to ''this'' severity), 2) some people have perfectly or at least relatively sympathetic reasons for doing bad things, and 3) several characters have recognized that their previous actions were bad and were actively [[TheAtoner working towards a redemption arc]], the Dream SMP actually leans closer towards either GreyAndGrayMorality, BlackAndGreyMorality, or MoralityKitchenSink than this trope. Also, considering the one voicing this opinion is ''Dream'', the resident child-abuser and serial killer who did so to satisfy his own ControlFreak nature and/or for his own amusement (and, for the record, is utterly ''shameless'' about this), we should probably take this viewpoint [[UnreliableNarrator with all the salt in the shaker]].
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* In the ''WebVideo/DreamSMP'', this is {{subverted|Trope}}. [[BigBad Dream]] states in Season 4 that he sees the server as this as he thinks that just about everyone on the server has done terrible things and openly sees himself as a bad person (not that he thinks there's anything wrong with that), but considering the facts that 1) not all crimes are equal (case in point, Dream himself is said to have crossed the MEH through copious amounts of child abuse [[spoiler:to the point his victim almost killed himself]], but most characters have not committed crimes to ''this'' severity), 2) some people have perfectly or at least relatively sympathetic reasons for doing bad things, and 3) several characters have recognized that their previous actions were bad and were are actively [[TheAtoner working towards a redemption arc]], the Dream SMP actually leans closer towards either GreyAndGrayMorality, BlackAndGreyMorality, or MoralityKitchenSink than this trope. Also, considering the one voicing this opinion is ''Dream'', the resident child-abuser and serial killer who did so to satisfy his own ControlFreak nature and/or for his own amusement (and, for the record, is utterly ''shameless'' about this), we should probably take this viewpoint [[UnreliableNarrator with all the salt in the shaker]].
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** In the Heaven’s Feel route of [[VisualNovel/FateStayNight Fate/stay night]], [[SinisterMinister Kirei Kotomine]], the [[BigBad Big Bad]] of the first two routes temporarily sets aside [[EndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt his own designs for the Grail]] in order to aid the heroes in getting rid of [[TheWormThatWalks Zouken Matou]]. This is partially because [[EvenEvilHasStandards he genuinely despises Zouken]] and partially because he’s not keen on forfeiting his own ambitions, and he [[ManipulativeBastard notably never]] [[XanatosSpeedChess stops his plotting entirely]].
** In the Heaven’s Feel route of [[VisualNovel/FateStayNight Fate/stay night]], [[SinisterMinister Kirei Kotomine]], the [[BigBad Big Bad]] of the first two routes temporarily sets aside [[EndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt his own designs for the Grail]] in order to aid the heroes in getting rid of [[TheWormThatWalks Zouken Matou]]. This is partially because [[EvenEvilHasStandards he genuinely despises Zouken]] and partially because he’s not keen on forfeiting his own ambitions, and he [[ManipulativeBastard notably never]] [[XanatosSpeedChess stops his plotting entirely]].
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* ''WebAnimation/DeathBattle'' has several episodes which pit villains against other villains with similar traits. These are "[[Franchise/StreetFighter Akuma]] vs. [[Franchise/MortalKombat Shang Tsung]]", "[[Franchise/SuperMarioBros Goomba vs. Koopa]]", "[[Franchise/SonicTheHedgehog Dr. Eggman]] vs. [[Franchise/MegaMan Dr. Wily]]", "[[Franchise/MortalKombat Shao Kahn]] vs. [[Franchise/StreetFighter M. Bison]]", "[[Franchise/StarWars Darth Vader]] vs. ComicBook/DoctorDoom", "[[Franchise/SuperMarioBros Bowser]] vs. [[Franchise/TheLegendOfZelda Ganon]]", "ComicBook/TheJoker vs. [[VideoGame/TwistedMetal Sweet Tooth]]", "ComicBook/{{Venom}} vs. ComicBook/{{Bane}}", "[[Franchise/TeenageMutantNinjaTurtles Shredder]] vs. [[Franchise/MarvelUniverse Silver Samurai]]", "[[Franchise/FinalFantasy Sephiroth]] vs. [[VideoGame/DevilMayCry Vergil]]", "ComicBook/{{Ultron}} vs. [[VideoGame/MegaManX Sigma]]", "ComicBook/{{Thanos}} vs. ComicBook/{{Darkseid}}", "[[Franchise/TheLegendOfZelda Ganondorf]] vs. [[Franchise/{{Castlevania}} Dracula]]", "[[VideoGame/{{Tekken}} Heihachi Mishima]] vs. [[VideoGame/FatalFury Geese Howard]]", "[[Anime/DragonBallSuper Goku Black]] vs. [[ComicBook/TheFlash Reverse-Flash]]", "[[ComicBook/{{Invincible}} Omni-Man]] vs. [[ComicBook/{{TheBoys}} Homelander]]", "[[ComicBook/XMen Magneto]] vs. [[Manga/{{AKIRA}} Tetsuo]]", "ComicBook/BlackAdam vs. ComicBook/{{Apocalypse}}", "[[Franchise/FridayThe13th Jason Voorhees]] vs. [[Franchise/{{Halloween}} Michael Myers]]", "[[Literature/TheLordOfTheRings Sauron]] vs. [[VideoGame/WorldOfWarcraft the Lich King]]", "[[Franchise/StarWars Darth Vader]] vs. [[Manga/{{Naruto}} Obito Uchiha]]" and "[[WesternAnimation/GravityFalls Bill Cipher]] vs. [[WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagic Discord]]".
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* ''WebAnimation/DeathBattle'' has several episodes which pit villains against other villains with similar traits. These are "[[Franchise/StreetFighter Akuma]] vs. [[Franchise/MortalKombat Shang Tsung]]", "[[Franchise/SuperMarioBros Goomba vs. Koopa]]", "[[Franchise/SonicTheHedgehog Dr. Eggman]] vs. [[Franchise/MegaMan Dr. Wily]]", "[[Franchise/MortalKombat Shao Kahn]] vs. [[Franchise/StreetFighter M. Bison]]", "[[Franchise/StarWars Darth Vader]] vs. ComicBook/DoctorDoom", "[[Franchise/SuperMarioBros Bowser]] vs. [[Franchise/TheLegendOfZelda Ganon]]", "ComicBook/TheJoker vs. [[VideoGame/TwistedMetal Sweet Tooth]]", "ComicBook/{{Venom}} vs. ComicBook/{{Bane}}", "[[Franchise/TeenageMutantNinjaTurtles Shredder]] vs. [[Franchise/MarvelUniverse Silver Samurai]]", "[[Franchise/FinalFantasy Sephiroth]] vs. [[VideoGame/DevilMayCry Vergil]]", "ComicBook/{{Ultron}} vs. [[VideoGame/MegaManX Sigma]]", "ComicBook/{{Thanos}} vs. ComicBook/{{Darkseid}}", "[[Franchise/TheLegendOfZelda Ganondorf]] vs. [[Franchise/{{Castlevania}} Dracula]]", "[[VideoGame/{{Tekken}} Heihachi Mishima]] vs. [[VideoGame/FatalFury Geese Howard]]", "[[Anime/DragonBallSuper Goku Black]] vs. [[ComicBook/TheFlash Reverse-Flash]]", "[[ComicBook/{{Invincible}} Omni-Man]] vs. [[ComicBook/{{TheBoys}} Homelander]]", "[[ComicBook/XMen Magneto]] vs. [[Manga/{{AKIRA}} Tetsuo]]", "ComicBook/BlackAdam vs. ComicBook/{{Apocalypse}}", "[[Franchise/FridayThe13th Jason Voorhees]] vs. [[Franchise/{{Halloween}} Michael Myers]]", "[[Literature/TheLordOfTheRings Sauron]] vs. [[VideoGame/WorldOfWarcraft the Lich King]]", "[[Franchise/StarWars Darth Vader]] vs. [[Manga/{{Naruto}} Obito Uchiha]]" and Uchiha]]", "[[WesternAnimation/GravityFalls Bill Cipher]] vs. [[WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagic Discord]]".Discord]]" and "[[ComicBook/FantasticFour Galactus]] vs. [[Franchise/{{Transformers}} Unicron]]".
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*** [[spoiler:Vampire!Durkon is now working with the Order again. When Nale offers him a membership, the vampire necksnaps his friend Zz'dtri, an EvilSorcerer who admittedly had it coming.]]
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*** [[spoiler:Vampire!Durkon is now working works with the Order again.again (for his own reasons). When Nale offers him a membership, the vampire necksnaps his friend Zz'dtri, an EvilSorcerer who admittedly had it coming.]]
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* In ''Webcomic/TheOrderOfTheStick,'' there's occasionally conflicts of interest between villains. They include:
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** The Western Continent technically has this by default, since its ever-changing political landscape consists of hot-shot young conquerors rolling over each other's kingdoms in successive waves. It's become so [[StatusQuoIsGod normal]] that people have basically stopped caring about it.
** PlayedForLaughs [[http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0453.html here]], when two {{Mooks}} from different villains fight over [[KillSteal who gets to kill]] [[SupportingLeader Hinjo]].
** PlayedForLaughs [[http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0453.html here]], when two {{Mooks}} from different villains fight over [[KillSteal who gets to kill]] [[SupportingLeader Hinjo]].
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**it. Subverted as [[spoiler: TheManBehindTheMan ''always'' consists of a member of Tarquin's old adventuring party, who maintain control by pitting their "rulers" against each other]].
** PlayedForLaughs [[http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0453.html here]], when two {{Mooks}} from different villains fight over [[KillSteal who gets to kill]] [[SupportingLeader Hinjo]].
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** PlayedForLaughs [[http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0453.html here]], when two {{Mooks}} from different villains fight over [[KillSteal who gets to kill]] [[SupportingLeader Hinjo]].
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* Wrestling/KurtAngle vs. Wrestling/SteveBlackman at ''[[Wrestling/ArmageddonWWE Armageddon]] 1999''.
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* Wrestling/KurtAngle vs. Wrestling/SteveBlackman at ''[[Wrestling/ArmageddonWWE Armageddon]] 1999''. Kurt Angle was an ArrogantKungFuGuy who thought very high of himself, but nonetheless he played the match cleanly and beat Blackman without using any cheap trick. Steve Blackman on the other hand, behaved like a SoreLoser and his decision to attack Kurt Angle after the match was uncalled for.
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*''Fanfic/CharlesMansonVsTheTeletubbies'': The main parties are a serial murderer (Charles Manson) and four {{Eldritch Abomination}}s (The Teletubbies) with RedBaron titles as a testament to their powers.
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[[caption-width-right:278:''[[Franchise/ANightmareOnElmStreet Place]] [[UltimateShowdownOfUltimateDestiny your]] [[Franchise/FridayThe13th bets.]]'']]
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[[caption-width-right:278:''[[Franchise/ANightmareOnElmStreet Place]] [[UltimateShowdownOfUltimateDestiny your]] your [[Franchise/FridayThe13th bets.]]'']]
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* Comedian [[SpellMyNameWithAnS Juston McKinney]] mused about a hypothetical ride between a SerialKiller picking up a [[RapeIsASpecialKindOfEvil rapist]]. Both keep trying to psych each other out over who should be the victim then GilliganCut to a police station where one of them files a report.
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See also EvenEvilHasStandards and BlackAndGrayMorality. Contrast GoodVersusGood. Also contrast EnemyCivilWar, EvilerThanThou, and TheGoodTheBadAndTheEvil, which are about antagonists battling other antagonists. This trope is the opposite of a VillainTeamUp. Has a SubTrope in EvilVersusOblivion, where one side is world-destroying bad.
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See also EvenEvilHasStandards and BlackAndGrayMorality. Contrast GoodVersusGood. Also contrast EnemyCivilWar, EvilerThanThou, and TheGoodTheBadAndTheEvil, which are about antagonists battling other antagonists. This trope is the opposite of a VillainTeamUp. Has a SubTrope in EvilVersusOblivion, where one side is world-destroying bad.
bad. One of the villains may be more sympathetic than the other, in which case it is ALighterShadeOfGray, or if one of the villains is far more sympathetic to the point of being capable of redemption, they become a SympatheticVillainDespicableVillain duo if the other stays completely and unambiguously evil.
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* ''WebAnimation/AnimatorVsAnimation''
** Downplayed, depending on how you interpret the conflict between the animator and his creations. One would interpret that both the animator and the stick figures were completely flawed in their moral qualities. The animator was at fault due to his {{lack of empathy}} to his [[WhatMeasureIsANonHuman stick figures]] confining them and only created the stick figures just to fight them. He was, however, right to contain them as his creations had gone out of control with their destructive powers, [[OmnicidalManiac annihilating everything and everyone even to the point of destroying Alan's computer]].
** [[spoiler:Herobrine, the Big Bad of the original Minecraft video, Animation vs. Minecraft, fights off against King, the Big Bad of the AVM Shorts Season 3, for a good while during the episode "The King"]].
** Invoked in ''An Actual Short'' "King Orange vs. The Dark Lord" with two of the most strongest stick figure villains pitted against each other in the Nether. The fight ends with a biblically-accurate angelic version of a ''pig'' interrupting the fight where it turns out that both Green and Yellow were imagining the fight with toy versions of TDL and King respectively with Red interrupting the "fight" with his pet pig.
** Downplayed, depending on how you interpret the conflict between the animator and his creations. One would interpret that both the animator and the stick figures were completely flawed in their moral qualities. The animator was at fault due to his {{lack of empathy}} to his [[WhatMeasureIsANonHuman stick figures]] confining them and only created the stick figures just to fight them. He was, however, right to contain them as his creations had gone out of control with their destructive powers, [[OmnicidalManiac annihilating everything and everyone even to the point of destroying Alan's computer]].
** [[spoiler:Herobrine, the Big Bad of the original Minecraft video, Animation vs. Minecraft, fights off against King, the Big Bad of the AVM Shorts Season 3, for a good while during the episode "The King"]].
** Invoked in ''An Actual Short'' "King Orange vs. The Dark Lord" with two of the most strongest stick figure villains pitted against each other in the Nether. The fight ends with a biblically-accurate angelic version of a ''pig'' interrupting the fight where it turns out that both Green and Yellow were imagining the fight with toy versions of TDL and King respectively with Red interrupting the "fight" with his pet pig.
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* This happens ''a lot'' in ''Fanfic/TheBridge'', arguably even more often than traditional Hero/Heroine vs. Villain(ess) duels. Most times its between two villains who are on different levels of BlackAndGrayMorality, with the more Gray moral characters going up against those closer to Black moral ones; or it can occur between two villains that have conflicting interests, such as the fight between the BigBad [[spoiler:Bagan]] and OutsideContextProblem [[Literature/NESGodzillaCreepypasta Shadow of Red]]. One story arc in the human realm relies on [[AntiVillain Monster X]] and the [[MindControlMusic Sirens]] being the realm's best defense against [[EldritchAbomination Enjin]]. Kaizer Ghidorah makes it clear that although he hates Grand King Ghidorah and wants to kill him, he's not a good guy either as he hates everybody else and will kill them for being there. [[spoiler:Queen Chrysalis theorizes this will be the case with her EvilMentor [[GodOfEvil Grogar]] and Bagan should she succeed in fully restoring him, supporting Grogar. Legion's reaction to Grogar's power implies [[PhysicalGod Grogar is one of the few capable of taking on Bagan one on one]] and thus having any chance of doing so. [[FutureBadass Flurry Heart's]] BadFuture implies the end result of this would be ''devastating'' for ''everyone''.]]
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* This happens ''a lot'' in ''Fanfic/TheBridge'', ''Fanfic/TheBridgeMLP'', arguably even more often than traditional Hero/Heroine vs. Villain(ess) duels. Most times its between two villains who are on different levels of BlackAndGrayMorality, with the more Gray moral characters going up against those closer to Black moral ones; or it can occur between two villains that have conflicting interests, such as the fight between the BigBad [[spoiler:Bagan]] and OutsideContextProblem [[Literature/NESGodzillaCreepypasta Shadow of Red]]. One story arc in the human realm relies on [[AntiVillain Monster X]] and the [[MindControlMusic Sirens]] being the realm's best defense against [[EldritchAbomination Enjin]]. Kaizer Ghidorah makes it clear that although he hates Grand King Ghidorah and wants to kill him, he's not a good guy either as he hates everybody else and will kill them for being there. [[spoiler:Queen Chrysalis theorizes this will be the case with her EvilMentor [[GodOfEvil Grogar]] and Bagan should she succeed in fully restoring him, supporting Grogar. Legion's reaction to Grogar's power implies [[PhysicalGod Grogar is one of the few capable of taking on Bagan one on one]] and thus having any chance of doing so. [[FutureBadass Flurry Heart's]] BadFuture implies the end result of this would be ''devastating'' for ''everyone''.]]
