- Better Call Saul has Jimmy McGill, physically unremarkable, doing quite well with women thanks to his bottomless charisma. He spends most of the series in a relationship with the younger, beautiful, intelligent Kim Wexler, and it's noted a couple times by other characters how far out of his league she should be for him just based off looks. Their relationship is built off of their similar tastes in pop culture, his ability to make her laugh, and Kim's love of running scams and conning people that she had never been able to express until meeting Jimmy, who has been running scams for most of his life.
took this off for a few reasons: this trope is for physically unattractive guys who shouldn’t get a woman, Bob/Jimmy is a handsome man who got the Saul Sex Pest retconned out of him, only Lalo considers him ugly because he’s a troll, and most What Does She See in Him? are the assumption that he’s a corrupting sleaze and she’s a Good Girl, which obviously isn’t true.
I cut up one dozen new men and you will die somewhat, again and again.
Linking to a past Trope Repair Shop thread that dealt with this page: Rename
, started by Prfnoff on Apr 22nd 2011 at 3:35:45 PM
Is it a requirement that a Kavorka Man does not attract women with a good personality?
Real Wild Child
Do Ron Jeremy porn films count, or would they be real-life examples?
One Nation Under WiFi Hide / Show Replies
Removed this from the description:
Justified Trope per Victoria Zdrok, stating in her book Dr. Z on Scoring that "equity theory" is at work with Kavorka Man, compensating for his obvious deficiencies with intangible qualities due to women being more cerebral than they're given credit for.
First, Justified Trope means it makes sense in some particular fictional world though not otherwise.
Second, while that statement I'm removed is pretty vague in the first place so it's hard to tell what exactly it means, the fact that the undescribed deficiencies (looks?) are compensated by undescribed intangible qualities means that anyhow, the man has good intangible qualities of some sort. But point with the Kavorka Man seems to be that there isn't some such good reason for his attractiveness. The unattractiveness isn't said to be only about looks either.
Edited by VVK
it\'s... HIM
Shouldn't something like this receive Cautious Editing Judgment among real life examples?
Oh look I mispeled somethink. Hide / Show Replies
Problematic Real Life sections are discussed in this thread. Feel free to take your concerns there.
Should we perhaps remove the Real Life section? It's starting to degenerate into “guys I don't find attractive but who somehow manage to get more booty than me.”
Hide / Show Replies
Late but I would agree with this.
I cut up one dozen new men and you will die somewhat, again and again.
I think this one needs either a new name or an explanation for the existing one; it sounds like "Kevorkian," which is confusing, and it doesn't say anything about what the trope actually is. "Kavorka Man" isn't the first thing that springs to mind when you think of a guy who is unattractive, acts horribly and offensively, and yet always gets the girl.
Hide / Show Replies
Well, the "Kavorka" certainly carries the "ugly" part well. If you want to argue for a rename, Trope Repair Shop is the place to go.
Anyhow, it's apparently Latvian for "lure of the animal", and I guess that Seinfeld is the Trope Namer.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
At the very least, the origin should be mentioned in the description as it's quite obtuse without it.
Found a Youtube Channel with political stances you want to share? Hop on over to this page and add them.
Henry Kissinger. It says it about halfway down in the Real Life examples, if I'm not mistaken.
It's better to be right than liked. Really. I Just Want to Be Loved
The quote is unattributed. This needs to be fixed by someone who knows where the quote is from.
This trope seems to have the same problem as Informed Attractiveness used to have; namely, it's entirely dependent on how attractive a given viewer finds an actor. Is it worth taking to TRS? It might be better defined as somebody who is treated in-universe as being physically unattractive, but still gets a lot of action.
Edited by johnnye
rosebud64
Why is Jay-Z on this list? He's no Adonis, but he's not nearly as ugly as most examples, even if Beyonce is a knockout.
Tropes which apply to rosebud64: Expy: In the movie Im making, the Backyard kids are portrayed acting like famous rock musicians.
- Sam Axe from Burn Notice has no trouble charming beautiful and rich ladies. But then, he's played by Bruce Campbell.
This needs serious justification — a physically fit, charismatic and dashing former spy, played by a legendarily handsome actor does not have "nothing attractive about him." He's a Gold Digger, but he's not a Kavorka Man.
I think the proverb actually goes "The man and the bear, the hairier, the prettier" - though there is an alternative punny form that goes "The man and the bear, the hairier, the filthier".
Hide / Show Replies
It could also be "the more hair, the more fair". I have also heard another joking form that goes "the more hair, better for him".
I disagree with the inclusion of The Most Interesting Man in the World, at least for the reasons given. MANY of his clips show him as a younger man, wherein he is doing CLEARLY interesting things, including diving from cliffs and sewing up his own arm while chatting with nurses.
Is there anyone besides me that hates this trope.