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Tingle: I once spent a whole night researching to figure out who the hell Tingle was, and I don't remember a damn thing about them. I couldn't tell you gender, medium, genre, or a single other character from whatever they are from. I almost looked it up again but I'm pretty sure I'd just forget again.

Soccer: I know the soccer stuff has been greatly improved - mostly fixed, maybe. I know it was a lot of work. Speaking as a former season ticket holder for women's soccer - whcih made me and my friend who shared the tickets basically Bigfoot back in the Cowboy President days - I am certainly biased. But it must be said that the "americans hating soccer" stuff is increasingly dated. For all the confusion of the "especially on the west coast and immigrants etc" stuff, the reality today is that soccer is more popular than hockey. Here in San Diego, women's soccer sells out every game, largely due to Southern California-born US National Team star Alex Morgan. A lot of her teammates are Americans and a number of them are on our national team, and it wouldn't be completely bizarre for them to win the next World Cup. That last thing has been true before: they won at home in 1999 and had to explain to people on the plane home what that meant and why it mattered. But anyone who hasn't been to the US in the last 5 years has no idea how popular soccer is now.

I'm sure it sounds crazy if you were here back when I was the weirdo staying up all night because a later World Cup in Europe didn't merit a tape delay here yet. I can hardly conceptualize it myself. But soccer hate comes off as rather alien now. It helps to understand that Republicans are willing to learn, and will claim to enjoy, any sport the US gets good at. There's been a lag in uptake of women's sports by that set, but it's increasingly mainstream now, with full coverage of both North and South American tournaments on basic cable and stream.

It also helps to understand that all our population density is in the stretch from Boston to DC, and these are people who have a centuries-long tradition of being very concerned with appearing well-read in politics. After all, it was a life or death thing from the 16th to 19th centuries. Californians tend to view Boston-To-DC people as cruel and politically retrograde, but the reality is more "forthright and up to date on controversies". That image is just overwhelmed by the massive number of gerrymandered, repressive states between here and there, and our embarrassing surfeit of "us against the world" politics in each state. I imagine there is a similar effect on foreign perceptions of americans, given that our fetish for individuality leads to a lot of our exported stories being about small towns in dozens of low-population states. In reality, people's lives are much more about being proximal or not proximal to the nearest big-10 city, and most of these are not big cities from a global perspective because our society has been absolutely swimming in excess deaths to the point we have several constitutional amendments all but explicitly welcoming them.

ETA TLDR: Soccer hate is generally a reaction to disastrous prior attempts to artificially create a market for the sport out of thin air. It was indeed seen as a children's fitness activity and not a spectator sport when I was growing up and people remembered the New York Comets fiasco where Pele was reduced to a gimmick in a league full of them, like a hockey-style overtime format, etc. The one gimmick that has been preserved is that travel to NJ is still required for NYC residents. Today soccer is more like a 2nd to 4th pro spectator sport depending on region, maybe 5th in very big hockey towns like Philly.

ETA 2: I forgot to make this subtext explicit. I'm talking about San Diego area so much because americans train for the summer olympics here, and lots of outdoor athletes (including soccer) are from here or Tampa where they can practice all year. If we are ignorant of any sports thing that has a major presence in or related to this country, it's Venezuelan baseball. Only hardcore fans know it exists, and we never remember the league's name, historically calling it "winterball" because it's a competitive pro sports league that offers a similar challenge to US pro ball in the season where it isn't happening here, due to South America being in another hemisphere.

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Um, hello? I don't think the title is fair to me.

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Who is Tingle?

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I think I speak for my country when I say we have no idea what the hell "Tingle" is, other than it sounds like "tinkle", a slang term for urination.

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• Canadian cartoons almost never do well in the United States, no matter how successful or popular they are in their homeland. If they don't get royally Screwed by the Network (assuming they're even exported in the first place), they usually develop strong Periphery Hatedoms from American cartoon fans who stereotype Canadian cartoons as all being poorly animated^note Canadian animated series are typically animated in Adobe Flash and Toon Boom for the purpose of keeping production domestic, but the aforementioned software platforms are seen as inherently bad by many in the animation community and have thus become Acceptable Targets perpetrators of the Animation Age Ghetto with nothing to them except Toilet Humor and produced for the sole purpose of fulfilling government-mandated content quotas^note this is based on a fundamental misunderstanding of how Canadian Content policies work; CanCon policies actually require all Canadian television stations to air a certain amount of natively produced content, not to churn out TV shows on a constant basis. Live-action series are also subject to this policy, and not just animated shows as is often made out to be the case. Most Canadian networks get around this by simpy airing the news rather than producing scripted series for economical reasons.. While these views are derived from mainly a few notorious examples (most infamously Johnny Test^note despite the fact the show is an International Coproduction with the United States rather than a purely Canadian production) and there are plenty of Canadian animated series that develop Periphery Demographics or are fondly remembered by Canadians, the term “Canadian animation” has become virtually synonymous with “terrible cartoons” to the overwhelming majority of animation fans while Canadian kids' channels like Teletoon, YTV, and Family Channel, as well as their original productions, are treated as Acceptable Targets that attract large amounts of bile (often crossing over with Complaining About Shows You Don't Watch due to the obscurity and lack of distribution the overwhelming majority of Canadian animated series have).

This example was removed several weeks back for the following reason:

“Example's too general, and most Canadian cartoons are either (somewhat) well-recieved or very obscure outside of Canada anyway. The so-called "catalyst" also has its own example already.”

There may be an attempt to re-add Canadian/Teletoon/YTV cartoons in the future, so I’m leaving this here as a way to tell editors who try such not to do so.

"Detecting trace amounts of mental activity. Possibly a dead weasel or a cartoon viewer"

In the Live Action TV section, it says that Power Rangers Lost Galaxy outperformed Gingaman, its sentai counterpart in terms of ratings in Japan. However, it's false because there is no cited evidence to prove it and it is a rumor. Should we remove it?

I think it's time for a cleanup project concerning this trope's subpages. Just in the Sports page, we have a lot of "stuff is mostly unknown or not really cared for outside the place of origin" rather than outright rejection in other places. Neither apathy nor a lack of exposure is the same thing as becoming unpopular.

Is the Nokia thing accurate? As far as I know, they're better remembered for indestructibility than low quality.

Sesame Street was never popular in the UK and only ran for a few years? Setting aside the sporadic ITV dates, it ran on Channel 4 from 1987-2001. Kids (and many parents) seemed to like it. The BBC's reasons for rejecting it in the seventies aren't just very BBC but very 1970s BBC, and don't necessarily reflect the attitude of the country as a whole. (And by the 21st century, even the Beeb thought there was something there, or they wouldn't have kept working with Sesame Workshop to create two different UK versions.)

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On M*A*S*H example: It says south koreans hate it as it portrays Korea as a war-torn, third-world country inhabited by prostitutes, criminals, and primitive morons. However, we should be reminded that it is set in [[the fifties]], when korea was exactly that. Which means is [[shown their work]]. It has actually liked by some korean viewer as it reminds them where they started. Although korea is now a first-world economic powerhouse,we should be reminded that it started as war-torn,third-world country.

Where would I put the following observation?

Walmart has been a global success story. However, their attempt to expand into Germany failed spectacularly, in part because Germany already has Aldi, Lidl and the likes and there was no possible niche for Walmart to get into (also the "big box" store is/was mostly a 1990s phenomenon that is mostly over in Germany or at least does not expand any more). Would this count as this trope or not?

Some of this require sources.

For instance, all of the modern Dreamworks films were shown in theaters in Japan (they had their ads for the movies).

Ressha Sentai To Q Ger isn't "hated by the Americans", through at least how the article puts it. Yes Saban has opted to skip it, but there was no mention as to why it was.

Death is a companion. We should cherish Death as we cherish Life.

This (Australian) troper s self-professedly not familiar enough with the online media to be sure, hence why I'm asking here, but does Agitha from her appearance in Hyrule Warriors count? She certainly fits the archetype of "token Moe girl in a fighting game" character well enough, being a cutesy little Cloud Cuckoo Lander Friend to Bugs who dresses up in fancy clothes. Especially when you consider that Twilight Princess has The Group (Rusl, Auru, Ashei and Shad) or even freaking King Bulblin as potential fighters instead.

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Despite my negative opinion about this show, I think Cross Ange doesn't qualify as Americans Hate Tingle.

1. There's actually some peoples who actually enjoyed Cross Ange and it's not hard to find. Cross Ange is actually something I would like to call it Love It or Hate It. Some tropers liked it, some tropers hates it, some tropers liked this show for its ridiculousness

2. The Blu-Ray has Nana Mizuki event ticket. Many peoples are Nana Mizuki's fans.

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Cuteness is extremely popular in Japan. However, it can be viewed as bizarre and just plain weird for Americans since cuteness is sometimes viewed negatively in the U.S. Does this count? Especially since cute merchandise is rarely exported outside of Japan.

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To just end this argument over if Avatar was aired in Japan or not, here is some evidence to prove that it did, on the Japanese version of Nickelodeon:

http://web.archive.org/web/20080705022319/http://www.nickjapan.com/programs/avatar/index.html

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Light Novels in Japan could be unpopular in america. Like anime sports, Light novels should be added to the list.

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"Anime in general had been hated by Dutchmen in the 1990s. Back then, they were well-known there under the term "manga-movies" and used as a term for series whom only had violence and sex in them. Because of this, anime got terrible publicity there. Dutch anime fans were able to correct the imago of anime later on in the 2000s (Spirited Away, whom had won international prizes, also helped with that) but the influences are still there, such as the fact that Dutch still have the term "animephobia" in their dictionaries and the fact that many anime still don't get exported to the Netherlands. "

Wanted to explain this fenomenon a little more, because I don't want this to be confused with All Anime Are Naughty Tentacles.

I think it has more to do with a different cultural perception.

Dutch people have a more anti-violent approach to culture than Japanese, usually in Dutch media violence is rarely done and whenever it has to be depicted they tend to make it look cartoony (there are a few rare exceptions to this rule though, but not that much). This is probably one of the influences of comic books such as Jommeke (which the creator explicitly made to show that you can make fictional works without ever having the need to portray sex and violence), something that was already loved much earlier due to its characters, which Flemish and Dutchmen easily relate to. However due to so many Dutch shows taking much influence of those comic books, the Dutch perception of sex and violence became negative to the point where non-cartoony violence and legit sexualisation could be one of the most controversial things ever released in this country. Unfortunately, anime filled this gap, due to its violent nature and due to its art style that has a tendency to hypersexualise characters.

The above might also help explain what "animephobia" means to Dutchmen.

To end on a positive note, I will end up with summing up the reasons why anime is now more liked (even though there were, are and probably always will be Dutchmen who will hate anime on sight). One of them being that anime has over time become more Dutch conform, as there are in general more anime released, thus more chance that Dutch people can like it (shows like pokemon have a decent fanbase in the Netherlands). The other one being that over time more respect has been devoted towards sex and violence (one of the most successful comic books in the Dutch market (De Kiekeboes) has a Ms. Fanservice and depicts (for Dutchmen) realistically looking action scenes).

I'm going to cut this example down a bit, for a few reasons:

"Emil Castagnier of Tales of Symphonia: Dawn of the New World also has a case of this. In the 5th Tales of Character Popularity Poll (in Japan), Emil came in 12th (out of every character in every Tales game). The majority of overseas fans hate him for being whiny, cowardly, effeminate and annoying. It certainly doesn't help that up until a certain point, in every fight he has to rely on his Superpowered Evil Side to fight for him. These flaws are ironically also present in Luke fon Fabre of Tales of the Abyss who is well recieved by American fans, although he doesn't suffer the same hate due to being a Crouching Moron, Hidden Badass whose annoying factors are overcome sooner... That said, there are some American fans who want to give Emil a hug."

There's already an extension to the comment defending Luke's flaws as exaggerated and critiqued and important to his character development. This person is absolutely right. In fact, not only are Luke's flaws better handled, but they're also entirely different from the reasons why most Tales fans hate Emil in the west. Firstly, Luke isn't really at all like he's described here. The reason why people don't like him is because he's spoiled and self-centered, not because he's cowardly. He's actually pretty brave from the outset, he just has severe guilt issues when it comes to killing human enemies. He's also got a well-explored excuse for his behaviour, tons and tons of character development, and, most importantly, his very existence doesn't depend on completely derailing a previous favourite. One of the biggest reasons people hate Emil isn't even mentioned here - that he's a Replacement Scrappy for Lloyd Irving, one of the most beloved, brave, and optimistic Tales heroes ever.

Also since when is being "effeminate" a flaw? Especially in Tales, because the three characters that immediately pop into my head as the most popular ever are Zelos, Jade and Yuri Lowell, and all of them get mistaken for girls on occasion, even in-universe. Please.

Don't know if this goes in Analysis but it seemed too opinionated and long for the main page.

• Tidus' perception is, in part at least, influenced by how his father, Jecht, is perceived. In Japan, Jecht was supposed to be portrayed as a tragic and sympathetic villain, but not one whom you're supposed to agree with at all. Thus, Tidus is more popular in Japan because the Japanese think Tidus' complaints are more valid. In the United States, however, Jecht is a very popular character because he fits American notions of "manliness" and the methods he used to raise Tidus are seen as justifiable (America, for example, has lots of sports movies where coaches turn teams of terrible players into champions through strict disciplinarian teaching methods). Thus, to Americans, Tidus' complaints are not taken seriously. This is very ironic: usually, Americans react very badly to abusive parental figures, while the Japanese usually expect some level of harshness from authority figures. There's also another problem with Tidus: the entire point of his character arc is to make the Spirans recognize how horrible and phony their religion really is, and bring them real hope instead of the "false hope" of death. America has lots of fundamentalist religious figures who react very badly to religion being criticized. But the Japanese aren't quite as religious, so Tidus' criticisms of Spira aren't seen as quite so out of bounds there.

I think the 'general' examples are not really following how examples are meant to be written. That stuff all sounds like analysis to me. Should it be moved to that tab instead?

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"Het is Ew gets a lot nastier in the US fandom. Any girl who is seen as getting in the way of the Ho Yay will instantly draw the fire of a thousand fanfics in English, leaving the Japanese fandom to wonder what all the fuss is about (a lot of yaoi fangirls there actually are happy to pair the girls up together at the same time)."

This isn't true. I've come across many Japanese fangirls who believe Het Is Ew. The fangirls are less vocal, rabid and numerous simply because they tend to be older. And what does pairing the girls up have to do with Het Is Ew? If anything, that's very common among fangirls who think Het Is Ew.

Also, this example reads like it's saying that Japanese fangirls don't bash the female characters in the way of Yaoi as much because they're more mature and enlightened. Perhaps that's true to a degree, but one has to note that homosexuality in Japan is not accepted in mainstream, most instances of it in anime/manga are merely shallow fanservice, and the characters involved are rarely actually homosexual. So Japanese Yaoi fangirls don't militantly obsess over their ships like western Yaoi fangirls do, but not for very good reasons.

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Fellow girl tropers, does this sound odd to you?

"male characters that look pretty instead of manly and have hair that makes them look even prettier tend to be extremely popular in Japan, but is usually loathed everywhere else due to the different cultural values over how a man should look. For example, Raiden from Metal Gear Solid 2 has long bleached hair and a somewhat feminine/boyish looking face while Kratos from the God of War series is hugely muscular and has a goatee."

Um... I'm sorry, WHAT?

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Is it just me or are more than half the examples 'things that Americans hate, that come from Japan'? I've looked through the article, and I think if you exclude the parts about Football and 'American Football' (Which is sort of a dead give away anyway), there about 10 entries that don't involve either the U.S.A. or Japan. Surely other countries have just as much accumulated bile on foreign media, right? I mean, Engl gets more search hits as 'the English Language' than 'England the Country' (and half of those are from APH), even though the English are the self-confessed kings of petty spite in the UK if not the world. Where on this page are their grievances?

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Is it me, or does the BlazBlue example really, really sound like a mix of Complaining About People Not Liking the Show and Fan Myopia? From what I've seen, BlazBlue is just as popular, if not moreso, than Street Fighter IV. And even if that isn't the case, slamming Street Fighter IV every chance you get does not help your case, BlazBlue fans!

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Can someone par down this unholy pile of Thread Mode, please?

• Football, known as soccer in the US, Canada, and Oceania, is the most popular sport in the world, but in the United States it's mostly played by kids of immigrants from Latin America. The opposite is true as well: while American Football is big in the States, the rest of the world (except Japan, apparently?) classifies it as: the game where slow, alcoholic, muscle bound freaks too chicken to lose the pads and play Rugby take a 20 minute break every time the ball touches the ground, and thus pass high school/college despite lacking the grades. (FYI, the pads were added by law because so many people were dying on the field. Until then, it was basically Irish Rugby.)
  • This is less true on the West Coast where Major League Soccer teams like the L.A. Galaxy and Seattle Sounders manage sellout crowds. This may be due in part to a much larger population of Mexican immigrants.
    • It's almost certainly the greater degree of 1st generation immigrants, as other places with a high concentration of people who were born and raised outside of the US tend to show a similar interest in the sport. Just try to go to a sports bar in NYC in one of the more ethnic neighborhoods and ask them to turn off the "soccer" game on the TV.
    • This troper lives in Seattle and can tell you the reason it's popular here is because (A) the Seattle Sonics moved to Kansas City, (B) Soccer was already popular up here (American Football is sometimes called "Hand egg" as a joke about the Football/Soccer name), (C) the Sounders have had amazing seasons and many Seattlites feel that the Sounders will become their big name sports team following the fall of the Mariners and the Seahawks (though, naturally YMMV ) and (D) the Northwest has always been big on sports so virtually every sporting event up here is a big deal to everyone. Except Penny Arcade of course.
    • Despite this, the USA has been big on Soccer mainly as a youth sport. It is the most popular recreational sport for both boys and girls (even bigger than Baseball) and many players in America's Big Four Team Sports (American Football, Baseball, Basketball, and Ice Hockey) have claimed to play soccer when they were young. Of course most players convert to one of the big four or a single or Olympic sport (Golf, Tennis, Nascar, etc...) when they grow older since more money and prestige can be gained in those sports though.
    • Though even if Americans are mostly apathetic with soccer/association football, they are still big into the FIFA World Cup. For example, Landon Donovan's last minute game winning goal against Algeria in 2010 was heavily celebrated across America. And more Americans bought tickets to South Africa for the 2010 FIFA World Cup than people from any other country but the hosts - more than England and Germany (two favorites and perennial powerhouses) combined. FIFA even gave the USA a World Cup in 1994 in hopes of increasing popularity, and it was the most attended World Cup ever both overall (3,587,538) and average per game (68,991)! For Soccer as a spectator sport outside the World Cup...well let's just say patience is a virtue.
      • But don't forget that the US has almost three times as many inhabitants as Germany and GB combined.
  • Soccer experienced a brief but explosive boom in the United States between the late 70s and the mid 80s with the North American Soccer League. Famed Monday Night Football sportscaster Howard Cosell predicted it would become one of the most popular sports in the nation, and for a few years, he was right. The NASL was big business, especially the New York Cosmos, which brought in some of the soccer world's biggest heroes (such as Pele himself and Franz Beckenbauer) to play for them. This led to an incredibly dominant team that won the championship five times - in a league that only played 15 seasons! Sadly, the NASL lost its TV deal when ratings were less than projected. It limped on for a few years before dying in 1984.
  • The same could also be said for Canada (minus the Opinion Myopia). Canada is more into American... err Canadian Football (although popularity is second to hockey of course) and soccer isn't really much of a spectator sport there, either. Of course much like in America, there are exceptions including Toronto, whom their MLS team manages to have what has been called the among the most diverse and rabid horde of fans in the entire league. Seriously, home games are a massive tide of raving red-jersey'd fans screaming themselves hoarse, and that's before the game starts! This may be largely due to the city's large immigrant population. Free advice for anyone planning on visiting Toronto: Whatever you do, DO NOT attempt to drive around College Street or The Danforth during Soccer season, especially if it's a World Cup year.
  • American-style football is also popular in Mexico. While nowhere near as popular as Association Football, it's the most popular minor league sport.
  • American Football also seems to be growing in popularity in Germany.
    • The NFL's attempt to generate interest in American football in Europe (World League/NFL Europe/NFL Europa) started out with one team in Germany (Frankfurt), a team in London and one in Barcelona. By the time the plug was pulled, five of the six teams were based in Germany.
  • American Football's popularity is steadily increasing throughout Europe and, to a lesser extent, Asia, where there are pro leagues in virtually every country and a cross-continental championship series.
  • Japan is mentioned above as is, but deserves a little further discussion. While Eyeshield 21 helped popularize American Football in the nation, it's been surprisingly popular there for quite a while - many universities have been fielding teams since the 1970s, and the pro league has been in operation since the 80s. Not only has Japan won the IFAF American Football World Cup twice, they hosted it in 2007, where they were runners-up to the US.
    • American Football is still a niche sport in Japan though; baseball, soccer/football, and rugby are far more popular than American football there.
  • South African soccer fans love their plastic trumpets, or vuvuzelas. Anybody watching The World Cup on TV finds them incredibly annoying. This is also partially because vuvuzelas are louder than a jackhammer and 140 dB, and instead of just being blown when the home team wins (like with noisemakers at football games), which would be fine, they play it CONSTANTLY. It's gotten so bad that referees and coaches can't make calls because of the noise.
  • Let's not forget that the word soccer actually comes from the British term Association Football. It was actually Canadians that introduced Americans to the game that we now call American football.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman

Can anyone cite a source for the A:TLA example? Beyond the easy bits like season 3 not getting dubbed?

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About the Football section...yeah...

• Football, known as soccer in the US, Canada, and Oceania, is the most popular sport in the world, but in the United States it's considered a joke and mostly played by kids whose moms are afraid to let them play real sports (and the kids of immigrants from Latin America), or a game played by foreign guys with foreign sounding names on foreign teams. The opposite is true as well: while American Football is big in the States, the rest of the world (except Japan, apparently?) classifies it as: the game where slow, alcoholic, muscle bound freaks too chicken to lose the pads and play Rugby take a 20 minute break every time the ball touches the ground, and thus pass high school/college despite lacking the grades. (FYI, the pads were added by law because so many people were dying on the field. Until then, it was basically Irish Rugby.)

I agree with everything the editor is saying, and to their credit, they are providing both perspectives but....the bile...so....so much BILE...is it really necessary?

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Cut for being closer in spirit to Germans Love David Hasselhoff ("only popular in their country of origin" may not fit the spirit of Germans Love David Hasselhoff, but that doesn't make it this trope):

• Australia has the largest transport trucks on earth called "Road Trains". Some take up two lanes and haul two, or even three trailers. Elsewhere, they'd be illegal simply because of the safety risks they pose to other drivers. That's because Australia has more open desert to cross between urban centers than any other industrialized nation.
• Full-size pickups are extremely popular in North America to the point that the Ford F Series is one of the fastest selling vehicles in the world despite having a relatively small market area. This is mainly due to the area's comparatively low gas prices and a lack of engine and body-related taxes which keep these vehicles competitive.
• The Three Stooges are very popular and famous in the United States, but in other countries they are almost obscure. In Europe, their rivals Laurel & Hardy are far more popular in comparison.
• The same goes for films like The Wizard Of Oz, Its A Mad Mad Mad Mad World, Its A Wonderful Life, and How The Grinch Stole Christmas which are hugely popular and often repeated classics on American television, but haven't reached the same popularity or fame outside the U.S.
• Grand Funk Railroad failed to gain much of a fandom outside of the USA. Granted, they were an American band...
• Country music outside of Middle America. New York City, for example, does not have any country stations on the FM dial, despite it being the largest radio market in America and country being, by some measures, the most popular genre of music in America. In the Northeast, being a fan of country music carries many of the same connotations as being a fan of NASCAR — unless it's a hip alternative country band or a crossover pop artist, admitting to being a country fan will most likely get you called a redneck, a hillbilly, or some variation thereof. Outside America, the only places that can be said to have significant country fandoms are Ireland (for whatever reason), Africa (possibly due to the popularity of the banjo), Brazil (a mishmash of American and local subculture, including rodeo acts), Canada and Australia (both of which have frontier histories and large rural areas not unlike those found in America).
• And similar to baseball - cricket, popular in the UK and many former parts of the British empire (not the USA or Canada), especially India and Sri Lanka: cricket is waaaaaaaaaay more popular than any other sport on the subcontinent, even more so than the country's official national sport, hockey (Addendum for those who're scratching their heads: ground hockey, not the ice version). Cricket stars get near-god-like celebrity status, on par with movie stars and singers. Almost anywhere else though..... cricket's considered a quaint odd sport at best, and Calvinball with shin pads by most.

Some other things only compare two markets, so whether either trope applies is uncertain (and grunge must have had some popularity in Britain to provoke such a backlash in the first place). And the Sports section is just a mess, for reasons already stated.

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I just performed a general cleanup of Natter, bad grammar, example formatting, and non-examples. The following examples were listed without reason, which is not allowed by the trope description. If you know the reason why any of the following were listed, please re-add them with the explanation.

• Light Yagami from Death Note in Italy
• The studnet council from Fruits Basket in Japan
• Korea from Axis Powers Hetalia in Korea
• Yubel from Yu-Gi-Oh GX amongst English fanbase
• Rick Hunter/Hikaru Ichijyo from Robotech in the USA.
• Superhero comics outside of the Anglosphere
• Francophone comics inside of the Anglosphere
• Big front-wheel-drive sedans everywhere outside of North America and France, as well as said French sedans in North America and said North American sedans in France.
• The original Star Wars in Scandanavian countries
• Grand Funk Railroad outside of the USA
• Bryan Danielson in Mexico
• "Shock Jocks" in Victoria, Australia, with John Laws being of particular note given that his show is broadcast all over the country ecept Victoria
• Baseball: massively popular throughout North America, the Caribbean (including the mainland areas around it, e.g. Central America and Venezuela) and Eastern Asia (Japan, Korea, Taiwan, China). Throughout Europe (with the notable exceptions of the Netherlands and Italy), the rest of Latin America and Western Asia, however, it's barely a blip on the cultural radar.
• Basketball in the UK
• Formula One in the US
• Blanka from Street Fighter in Brazil
• Krystal in Star Fox Adventures in Japan
• Kiddy Kong from Donkey Kong Country in Mexico
• The Dynasty Warriors series in the US and the UK
• Kazoku Keikaku in the US
• The Half Life series on Pixiv and Danbooru
• Jon Talbain from Darkstalkers in Japan

Additionally, the Grunge entry could use an explanation for why it was hated in Britain. I did not delete that example, since it it was important to the explanation why Britpop failed in North America, but it technically shouldn't be on the page without an explanation of its own.

Also, someone needs to clean up the Football section—I didn't have time for that one, considering how long it is.

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Does Halo really need to be listed? Being hated by fanboys of a rival console hardly fits the description, and really, any major exclusive video game franchise can be described the same exact way.

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Is this article going to be permanently locked? I was actually thinking about doing editing it to condense some bullet points together before I saw the Locked Page button. I saw the food Edit War that happened in the and it was ugly, but I've seen even uglier edit wars on other pages that nonetheless weren't locked, and it's been more than two months since the last shown edit.

If there's a real chance that the Edit War could reignite, though, go ahead and keep the article locked. I know I'm not the kind of person who should be dealing with stuff like this.

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Does this really have to be YMMV? I mean it's an opinion, sure, but we're talking about the majority of the fanbase, here. That'd be like listing Designated Hero or Downer Ending down as one. It's only considered a Downer Ending because the majority of the fanbase thinks so. There could very well be those out there who think that a Downer Ending is a Bittersweet Ending. I'm not upset, or anything, I just want to know the qualification process for what constitutes a Your Mileage May Vary trope.

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Garth Ennis is the poster child for the UK's dislike of superhero comics. Anyone other than Superman can expect to be beaten, raped, humiliated, raped, made to look like an immoral, idiotic, unlovable asshole, then raped once more for good measure.

Regarding country music: Country music also has a reasonably large following in South East Asia. Country musicians like Lobo go unheard of in the US but has sellout concerts in the region.

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I think Shawn Michaels should be added here. Though incredibly popular in the U.S., he's always been hated in Canada. I saw his rematch against Triple H and Chris Benoit in Edmonton, good god. I never see guys get booed this badly.

That SSBB page image is awesome, does any one know where it came from? Or who drew it?

Edit: Never mind, I found it. It's here if anyone else was wondering the same thing: http://pluckylump.deviantart.com/art/SSBB-Everyone-Hates-Tingle-79974436?q=boost%3Apopular+Tingle&qo=3

Edited by fawn ^Not actually my favorite animal.

It might be useful to note in the Dynasty Warriors entry that part of the reason that it hasn't caught on in the US is that most Americans (and, for that matter most people outside the Sinosphere) have never even heard of the Romance Of The Three Kingdoms, on which Dynasty Warriors is based.

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Another example is Namco`s Tales of. series is Popular in Japan than in the United States.

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I think most, way most of the examples miss the trope by a mile. Something is a great thing in one country but not so much outside of it is verry common but a totally different thing than "something is a big success almost everywhere (within a similar cultural area) but not in one or two assorted areas. This holds true especially for the food and music section. I can name dozens of German franchise companies without any success outside of Germany, but nobody knows about them. Something being successful in the US but not in Canada or successful in the UK but not in the US is *not* this trope. This trope would be "large hit everywhere in South East Asia but not in Laos" or "Stores everywhere in the Western Hemisphere but fails to introduce itself succesfully to the French market" or similar things.

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On Tidus from Final Fantasy X: When I originally added him on the page, I noted that he's not actually wangsty, but James Arnold Taylor's English-language vocal performance makes him seem so (the character has a reputation for being a whiner in the west, when really his dialogue is mostly well-adjusted without the dub). Since then, someone removed that remark and after that, another someone added his perceived whining as one of the reasons for why this trope applies to Tidus.

To get to the point, Tidus is not whiny, so could an admin edit the example to a less biased form?

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Can someone please clean up the Hummer example? I have no idea what's going on there.

The whole description of the page was taken out (???) We need it restored...

In sad times, dancing's worth a try, sometimes you want to laugh and cry, those things are so boring, I would rather die!

The Simpsons was a flop in Japan, despite airing enough episodes to skip over season 10's "Thirty Minutes Over Tokyo" because of objectionable content and Lisa's character appearing in Germans Love David Hasselhoff? What?

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A large chunk of the food section was removed without discussion. Restore it now.

I love how Mario's quietly doing a Face Palm.

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