History DethroningMoment / MegaMan

** Tropers/TheMasterChand: The Blaze Heatnix Stage. A difficult boss rush does make sense, given Heatnix's Social Darwinist personality. What does ''not'' make sense, is a series of static, glowing jpegs, that only make the game's ObviousBeta status all the more clear. Adding insult to injury, is that said jpegs are harder than Heatnix himself, and some even think they count as ThatOneBoss, the fourth one in particular. Whether their status as sub-bosses allows them to qualify or not is another matter entirely, but for that to even be debated is, at best, a serious mistake.

** {{@/Hobgoblin}}: A memo in Star Force 2 mentions that [=MegaMan=] and Roll have a child named [=MegaMan=] Jr. by combining their data at some point.

* Animeking1108: There are many reasons why so many people debate that ''VideoGame/MegaManX6'' was worse than ''VideoGame/MegaManX7.'' However, since only one is allowed, I'd have to pick Zero's UnexplainedRecovery. It's right up there with ''VideoGame/{{Persona 4}}'' and ''VideoGame/UltimaIX'' for one of the most insultingly stupid death retcons in video games. For starters, it completely undermined the BittersweetEnding to ''VideoGame/MegaManX5,'' where Zero believed the world would be a better place if he stayed dead. Second, this completely derailed Inafune's orginal plans for the ''VideoGame/MegaManZero'' series. Third, is the explanation, or lack thereof. In the [[BlindIdiotTranslation English version]], Zero said that he hid and repaired himself, which makes absolutely no sense. However, in the Japanese version, he just told X not to worry about it. It doesn't matter which version you play. The reason is stupid either way. The closest we get to a hint is that Dr. Issoc implied that he repaired him, but there are two issues with it. 1. That scene is missable depending on who you play as. 2. That plot point never comes back in the series, or even the ''Zero'' series for that matter.

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* Tropers/MightyKombat: I have problems with ''Mega Man X7''. I mean who doesn't, right? But my biggest particular problem is its "[[CharacterDerailment portrayal]]" (and I'm being very generous with that word) of the eponymous X. Yes its true in all of the games X hates violence but that doesn't mean he'd just sit down and let the villains roll over innocent lives for the sake of "pacifism." In previous games and even games made after ''X7'' he hated injustice and evil just as much as he hated violence and was willing to fight for peace no matter what. I mean even at the end of ''X6'' he says that if Sigma ever shows up again, he'll take him down again easy. But now in ''X7'' he's suddenly content to sit on his duff in a command center taking on a supposed command role that instead means he does nothing but whinge endlessly about violence no matter what. I hate that none of the cast (Alia, Signas, Zero to a limited extent) call him out on his pious arrogance here and its obvious Capcom only did this just to push Axl to the forefront but there were much better ways than this. No matter what Axl or Zero do, X only ever whines about them using violent methods. And yes this means the eponymous X is not playable for a large majority of the game. You'd think when he becomes playable again later on it'd serve as needed development to make him realize he has to fight to ensure peace and an end to the violence he hates no matter how bad it gets, but no, he remains completely one note. Oh, but it really gets worse if you beat the game as either X or Axl. Even after Axl saved their butts from a revived Sigma, even after Axl helped put the bastard down, X still refuses to let Axl join the Maverick Hunters, a position Axl has straight up earned. Why? Because "Violence is not the answer!" So yeah, Axl helped defeat Sigma and save the world and now on top of still remaining a senselessly pacifistic holier-than-thou asshole, now he's [[UngratefulBastard an immeasurably ungrateful little shit]] as well. You'd think at some point Signas would Bright Slap the blue bastard at this point. Not to mention it means little since in ''X8'', Axl's an official Maverick Hunter now and X has no issue with that at all so ''X7'' feels like a massive waste of time. Capcom, if you wanted Axl to be the next big thing, mutilating your title character was not the way.

** {{@/Hobgoblin}}: A memo in Star Force 2 mentions that [=MegaMan=] and Roll have a child named MegaMan Jr. by combining their data at some point.

* Tropers//{{NTroper}}: Out of all the idiotic moments in 4, I'll have to list the three KarmaHoudini moments in the game's tournaments. The first one is in Dex's scenario where Chisao fakes being kidnapped to make Lan miss the battle against Dex and give him the win by default. The second one is in the [[ThatOneLevel Watergod scenario]] where Paulie tampered with his village's water management system because he lost a contest to Lan and wanted everyone in his village to see how strong he was. I repeat: A kid could have potentially doomed his whole village over petty pride. And the final example is the elder from Raoul's village in his scenario cursing Megaman because he didn't want the tribe to lose face by having Raoul lose to Megaman in the tournament, [[DidntThinkThisThrough nevermind that the village would have a bad fame if their strongest netbattler was shown winning against his opponent only because he was weakened by the curse.]] In all 3 cases, all the offenders get away with little more than a "Sorry" and a slap in the wrist, just to add further insult to injury in 4's already mangled plot.

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* Tropers//{{NTroper}}: One moment stands out in the filler-ific, badly written script of Starforce 2. Namely, when Luna confronts Geo over his HeroicBSOD after he finds Sonia at Bermuda Maze and she reveals she defected to Lady Vega's group, even attacking Geo and leaving him unconscious after cutting off their brotherband to further hammer it in. When Geo fills her in on the situation, Luna calls Geo the world's biggest idiot for not picking up on Sonia obviously pretending to defect to Lady Vega's side to keep Geo safe and for not trusting her. Only one problem here, that being that this whole thing started because ''Sonia didn't trust Geo''. She gets cornered by Hollow and told that only by her joining them will Geo keep safe and she just goes along with it. They don't even have any hold on Geo whatsoever and up to that point, Geo has 2 games' worth of successfully fighting through anything the bad guys throw at him, one of them including a ''Planet-Killing Weapon'' and Geo currently has the OOPart inside him, fully in control of its power. Yet one "Join us or your friend dies" later, Sonia cuts off his brotherband and attacks him...and that is never addressed. To put this in perspective, Kidd Gruff, the NPC that wave changes into [[BonusBoss Kung Foo Kid]], wants to test his skills against the one who he especifically describes as "The one who defeated Andromeda". You know you've made a grave writing mistake when an NPC gives the main character more credit than his first friend and Brother who actively fights alongside him does.

** {{@/Hobgoblin}}: A memo in Star Force 2 mentions that MegaMan and Roll have a child named MegaMan Jr. by combining their data at some point.

** Tropers/{{MMTrigger}}: Additionally, the ending of the ''VideoGame/MegaManZero'' series, not because that [[spoiler:Zero died]], but because of what it suggested. The third game revealed [[spoiler:Zero's mind was moved to a clone body, so he's still Dr. Wily's creation. Dr Wily is the one who ultimately, and unintentionally, ushered in the new age that Dr. Light dreamed of]]. Also, X and the guardians, who were derived from him, are barely mentioned in the fourth game. It's like after spending so many years with Rock and X, and following the morals presented in their 20-something games, we saw a complete reversal on that. Not helping is that fact that while MegaMan7 and subsequent games imply that [[spoiler:killing Dr. Wily is wrong, what ends the wars is the hero killing the human villain. It's somehow suggesting that the original series heroes were wrong the whole time, since killing Wily would've prevented Zero's existence. No Zero means Sigma would never have been infected with the Maverick virus. It also means no Omega, no Elf Wars, and no Neo Arcadia.]]

* Tropers/{{MoPete}}: While the VideoGame/MegaManClassic games were good, one fault was in VideoGame/MegaMan6. Rush was nerfed and turned into an adapter system which was awkward to use. The Robot Masters had overly simplistic AI (basically, it was jump around, use an attack, jump around again.) But the biggest DMoS was the third rehashing of the [[HijackedByGanon Hijacked By Wily]] plot. In VideoGame/MegaMan4, Doctor Cossack was a new villain, and the idea of Proto Man as the villain was a decent shock in VideoGame/MegaMan5. But by the time Mega Man 6 rolled around, Wily doesn't even use a proxy, instead simply opting for a PaperThinDisguise as "Mr. X."

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* Tropers/{{magnum12}}: The way certain plot elements where presented in ''VideoGame/MegaManZero 4''. The guardians were killed off screen by Omega's death blast (officially they shielded Zero, but if it didn't happen on screen, then it did not happen). This in itself is a major [=WallBanger=] for one reason. They all have personal Trans-Servers, meaning that they can "Deep Strike" to a known location at will, including for the purpose of a quick escape. The finale of the first game shows that they have a quick cool down time of 15 seconds max. The time between their "deep strike" on Omega and Omega's death was WAY longer than the time spent after "deep striking" to Copy X's inner sanctum. In the words of [[WebVideo/AtopTheFourthWall Linkara]], off screen character death is extremely lazy/bad writing. The fact that three major characters were killed offscreen makes it worse. In fact, Weil taking over in Zero 4 itself brings multiple continuity errors combined into [=WallBanger=] grade snarl:
## His military power: To quote Harpuia "He's bluffing. He can't do anything in his current state." Weil's plan for domination was solely reliant on the use of Omega as a terror tool. Without Omega, he was powerless. Barring an AssPull, where did the vile forces and Craft come from. There was no hint of them existing in previous games.
## Weil having full control of energy: What about the Ciel system which was established in Zero 3 to be vastly superior to anything Neo Arcadia had (established by Copy X in his comments on monopoly on both energy and Zero). The development of said system to bring peace to the world was an uber important plot point for the entire series and it got PutOnABus in Zero 4 to make Weil seem all powerful.

* Tropers/{{magnum12}}: The way certain plot elements where presented in ''MegaManZero 4''. The guardians were killed off screen by Omega's death blast (officially they shielded Zero, but if it didn't happen on screen, then it did not happen). This in itself is a major [=WallBanger=] for one reason. They all have personal Trans-Servers, meaning that they can "Deep Strike" to a known location at will, including for the purpose of a quick escape. The finale of the first game shows that they have a quick cool down time of 15 seconds max. The time between their "deep strike" on Omega and Omega's death was WAY longer than the time spent after "deep striking" to Copy X's inner sanctum. In the words of [[WebVideo/AtopTheFourthWall Linkara]], off screen character death is extremely lazy/bad writing. The fact that three major characters were killed offscreen makes it worse. In fact, Weil taking over in Zero 4 itself brings multiple continuity errors combined into [=WallBanger=] grade snarl:

** Tropers/{{MMTrigger}}: Additionally, the ending of the ''MegaManZero'' series, not because that [[spoiler:Zero died]], but because of what it suggested. The third game revealed [[spoiler:Zero's mind was moved to a clone body, so he's still Dr. Wily's creation. Dr Wily is the one who ultimately, and unintentionally, ushered in the new age that Dr. Light dreamed of]]. Also, X and the guardians, who were derived from him, are barely mentioned in the fourth game. It's like after spending so many years with Rock and X, and following the morals presented in their 20-something games, we saw a complete reversal on that. Not helping is that fact that while MegaMan7 and subsequent games imply that [[spoiler:killing Dr. Wily is wrong, what ends the wars is the hero killing the human villain. It's somehow suggesting that the original series heroes were wrong the whole time, since killing Wily would've prevented Zero's existence. No Zero means Sigma would never have been infected with the Maverick virus. It also means no Omega, no Elf Wars, and no Neo Arcadia.]]

* Tropers/{{Muzzman}}: MegamanBattleNetwork, I played through all the games with only one real motive: To see where Roll.exe and Megaman.exe's romantic subplot went. Just like Mayl and Lan's romance, it gets absolutely no development, but in the very least, Mayl and Lan had the epilogue to tie things up.

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->''"WHAT AM I FIGHTING FOOOOOR?!?"''
-->--'''Zero,''' ''VideoGame/MegaManX 4''

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** Tropers/{{Skywerewolf}} Some character's appathy are really [=wallbanging=]. Right, the world is about to be destoryed. Why don't all those other people you fought in friendly competition do anything? In 3, only chad, dex, and Tora follow you. What happened to all those other people? Maylu and Yai were talked into waiting, but there are other hearty people who are [[AdultsAreUseless older]] that would have been safe. Seriously, the people in that world are freaking apathetic.
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