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25	* Tropers/{{immortalfrieza}}: Megaman 4 was a DMOS in retrospect because it became [[FranchiseOriginalSin ground zero]] for a major issue in the franchise. Dr. Wily was killed off at the end of Megaman 3, so Megaman 4 had a new villain take center stage as the antago... haha no, Dr. Wily was behind everything all along. This utter refusal to come with actual new villains and always have [[HijackedByGanon the game's supposed villain hijacked]] by the same one the era started with began here. Megaman 4 had Dr. Crossack as the supposed villain, then Protoman, then a [[PaperThinDisguise Paper Thin Disguised]] Dr. Wily as though the developers were saying "yeah, it's Wily, it's always going to be Wily and you're stupid for thinking otherwise." The X series barely bothered with the pretense most of the time as Sigma was behind everything in every single X game and they don't try to pretend otherwise. Then, after having 2 separate villains in Megaman Zero 1 and 2, 3 introduces Dr. Weil, who is an obvious {{Expy}} of Dr. Wily to boot and Weil remains the villain in 4... and [[GreaterScopeVillain ultimately also]] the ZX series! It's like the Megaman franchise is allergic to having new villains at all, not even in a rotating roster like a comic book superhero RoguesGallery. It's no wonder that Megaman gets so fed up with Wily he wants to kill him by Megaman 7, I would too!
26	* Tropers/{{MoPete}}: While the VideoGame/MegaManClassic games were good, one fault was in VideoGame/MegaMan6. Rush was nerfed and turned into an adapter system which was awkward to use. The Robot Masters had overly simplistic AI (basically, it was jump around, use an attack, jump around again.) But the biggest [=DMoS=] was the third rehashing of the [[HijackedByGanon Hijacked By Wily]] plot. In VideoGame/MegaMan4, Doctor Cossack was a new villain, and the idea of Proto Man as the villain was a decent shock in VideoGame/MegaMan5. But by the time Mega Man 6 rolled around, Wily doesn't even use a proxy, instead simply opting for a PaperThinDisguise as "Mr. X."
27	* Tropers/{{Thepenguinking2}}: VideoGame/MegaMan7 is pretty great, in my opinion; probably just below 6, V, and 3 for me, although I've not yet played the entire series (Haven't gotten to 8 and beyond yet). That being said, I'll have to put the ending on here, and I'm not talking about the FinalBoss (Trust me, if gameplay-related examples were allowed here, we'd be here while I'm ranting about [[ThatOneBoss Wily Machine]] [[VideoGame/MegaMan4 4]] instead). I'm talking about what happens after, especially in the localization. Wily gets down on his knees as usual, and... Mega Man threatens to kill him. Isn't Mega Man supposed to be an AllLovingHero? One who only fights solely for the safety of the world? Wily may be a right old bastard, but even then, Mega Man isn't the kind of hero to kill someone! If he was, he'd have tried this as soon as the very first game! And then Wily tells Mega Man that he can't do this, due to the laws that robots can't kill humans, and Mega Man realizes what he's doing and lowers his buster... in the original game. In the english localization? "I'm more than a robot. Die, Wily!" Not only does this push the OutOfCharacterMoment even further, the line makes no sense whatsoever. In terms of law, he really is just a robot. Semantically, what makes him "More than a robot"? His {{ridiculously human\|Robot}} appearance? What does this say about every other human-looking robot master? And then Mega Man doesn't have a hint of rethinking this, which raises the question as to why he doesn't try to kill Wily again.
28	* Tropers/{{ScumBagMan}}: VideoGame/MegaMan11 has a series of not-so-subtle shortcomings, to the point that it reeks of being something which Capcom barely bothered with, and only to shut up those of us who were quite reasonably angry with them for years of various middle fingers. But by far the worst part, and perhaps the best demonstration of just how little Capcom actually cares about Mega Man fans is the conversation with Wily before the final battle. Many long time fans of the series would likely do at least one gearless run, only to find the conversation goes exactly the same. That is to say, the conversation seems to think you not only didn't play gearless, but in fact, used the gears frequently, even if you didn't do so once in the entire game. So much for current gen, this feels more like 2 gens ago.
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32	* Papaga: ''VideoGame/MegaManX1'': Zero's sacrifice to help you defeat Vile was a pretty frustrating scene on the whole. First of all, Zero hasn't made a single appearance since the very start of the game; if they really wanted to have some worthwhile drama, they should have remembered he exists during any of the past 8 levels. Second, Vile has no good reason to be as unstoppable as he is. So he gets to kick your ass in the first level, and then after going through the whole game and collecting powerups, nothing has changed in your ability to beat him? Instead the player needs the same character to come rescue them again, just for a forced emotional scene? What a disappointing way to handle the rematch with such a hateable villain. The whole thing would be way less annoying if they just let you defeat Vile on your own, and then moved Zero's sacrifice to a more intimidating villain like Sigma, instead.
33	* Animeking1108: There are many reasons why so many people debate that ''VideoGame/MegaManX6'' was worse than ''VideoGame/MegaManX7.'' However, since only one is allowed, I'd have to pick Zero's UnexplainedRecovery. It's right up there with ''VideoGame/{{Persona 4}}'' and ''VideoGame/UltimaIX'' for one of the most insultingly stupid death retcons in video games. For starters, it completely undermined the BittersweetEnding to ''VideoGame/MegaManX5,'' where Zero believed the world would be a better place if he stayed dead. Second, this completely derailed Inafune's original plans for the ''VideoGame/MegaManZero'' series. Third, is the explanation, or lack thereof. In the [[BlindIdiotTranslation English version]], Zero said that he hid and repaired himself, which makes absolutely no sense. However, in the Japanese version, he just told X not to worry about it. It doesn't matter which version you play. The reason is stupid either way. The closest we get to a hint is that Dr. Issoc implied that he repaired him, but there are two issues with it. 1. That scene is missable depending on who you play as. 2. That plot point never comes back in the series, or even the ''Zero'' series for that matter.
34	** Kirby0189: Speaking of Dr. Isoc, the way he got written out of the story is one of the worst cases of TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter I have ever seen. We get this MadScientist who is implied to be a new body for Dr. Wily. He helped Gate analyze Zero's data when that was seemingly-impossible. He can [[TheWorfEffect paralyze Zero with his bare hands]], who he shows great interest in. You'd expect him to be a key player in the final parts of the game, possibly serving as TheDragon or maybe even TheManBehindTheMan. Instead, he is [[DroppedABridgeOnHim found dead with little explanation]] after Gate's defeat and is never brought up again, just so that the focus of the story can go back to Sigma's [[AssPull out-of-nowhere return]]. Out of all the characters in the series to [[TheUnfought never get a boss fight...]] For all of the problems present in X7 (which is my GuiltyPleasure, even if I know that it's not a very good game and understand why people hate it), it doesn't just casually kill off characters with lots of untapped potential like this game does.
35	* Tropers/MightyKombat: I have problems with ''Mega Man X7''. I mean who doesn't, right? But my biggest particular problem is its "portrayal" (and I'm being very generous with that word) of the eponymous X. Yes its true in all of the games X hates violence but that doesn't mean he'd just sit down and let the villains roll over innocent lives for the sake of "pacifism." In previous games and even games made after ''X7'' he hated injustice and evil just as much as he hated violence and was willing to fight for peace no matter what. I mean even at the end of ''X6'' he says that if Sigma ever shows up again, he'll take him down again easy. But now in ''X7'' he's suddenly content to sit on his duff in a command center taking on a supposed command role that instead means he does nothing but whinge endlessly about violence no matter what. I hate that none of the cast (Alia, Signas, Zero to a limited extent) call him out on his pious arrogance here and its obvious Capcom only did this just to push Axl to the forefront but there were much better ways than this. No matter what Axl or Zero do, X only ever whines about them using violent methods. And yes this means the eponymous X is not playable for a large majority of the game. You'd think when he becomes playable again later on it'd serve as needed development to make him realize he has to fight to ensure peace and an end to the violence he hates no matter how bad it gets, but no, he remains completely one note. Oh, but it really gets worse if you beat the game as either X or Axl. Even after Axl saved their butts from a revived Sigma, even after Axl helped put the bastard down, X still refuses to let Axl join the Maverick Hunters, a position Axl has straight up earned. Why? Because "Violence is not the answer!" So yeah, Axl helped defeat Sigma and save the world and now on top of still remaining a senselessly pacifistic holier-than-thou asshole, now he's [[UngratefulBastard an immeasurably ungrateful little shit]] as well. You'd think at some point Signas would Bright Slap the blue bastard at this point. Not to mention it means little since in ''X8'', Axl's an official Maverick Hunter now and X has no issue with that at all so ''X7'' feels like a massive waste of time. Capcom, if you wanted Axl to be the next big thing, mutilating your title character was not the way.
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39	* Tropers/{{Muzzman}}: VideoGame/MegamanBattleNetwork, I played through all the games with only one real motive: To see where Roll.exe and Megaman.exe's romantic subplot went. Just like Mayl and Lan's romance, it gets absolutely no development, but in the very least, Mayl and Lan had the epilogue to tie things up.
40	* Tropers/{{Skywerewolf}} Some character's apathy are really [=wallbanging=]. Right, the world is about to be destroyed. Why don't all those other people you fought in friendly competition do anything? In 3, only Chad, Dex, and Tora follow you. What happened to all those other people? Maylu and Yai were talked into waiting, but there are other hearty people who are [[AdultsAreUseless older]] that would have been safe. Seriously, the people in that world are freaking apathetic.
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44	* Tropers/{{magnum12}}: The way certain plot elements were presented in ''VideoGame/MegaManZero 4''. The guardians were killed off screen by Omega's death blast (officially they shielded Zero, but if it didn't happen on screen, then it did not happen). This in itself is a major [=WallBanger=] for one reason. They all have personal Trans-Servers, meaning that they can "Deep Strike" to a known location at will, including for the purpose of a quick escape. The finale of the first game shows that they have a quick cool down time of 15 seconds max. The time between their "deep strike" on Omega and Omega's death was WAY longer than the time spent after "deep striking" to Copy X's inner sanctum. In the words of [[WebVideo/AtopTheFourthWall Linkara]], off screen character death is extremely lazy/bad writing. The fact that three major characters were killed offscreen makes it worse. In fact, Weil taking over in Zero 4 itself brings multiple continuity errors combined into [=WallBanger=] grade snarl:
45	## His military power: To quote Harpuia "He's bluffing. He can't do anything in his current state." Weil's plan for domination was solely reliant on the use of Omega as a terror tool. Without Omega, he was powerless. Barring an AssPull, where did the vile forces and Craft come from? There was no hint of them existing in previous games.
46	## Weil having full control of energy: What about the Ciel system which was established in Zero 3 to be vastly superior to anything Neo Arcadia had (established by Copy X in his comments on monopoly on both energy and Zero)? The development of said system to bring peace to the world was an uber important plot point for the entire series and it got PutOnABus in Zero 4 to make Weil seem all powerful.
47	## Considering the events of ZX (especially Advent), Zero's sacrifice has become completely pointless as in a way (via corruption), Weil is behind everything wrong in the series. All and all, Zero 4 is a pointless sequel that only exists because some exec must of really liked Weil. We could of have ZX without Zero 4, as the Zero 3 ending left a perfect sequel hook for the ZX series. Weil could have just of easily created Model W as part of his next evil plans for world domination (without Ragnarock), placing his soul in it. Ciel's biometals could have just as easily been made via the willing interment of the souls of Zero, X (now in cyberspace), and the guardians eternally vigilant to combat model W if it shows itself.
48	** Tropers/{{MMTrigger}}: Additionally, the ending of the ''VideoGame/MegaManZero'' series, not because that [[spoiler:Zero died]], but because of what it suggested. The third game revealed [[spoiler:Zero's mind was moved to a clone body, so he's still Dr. Wily's creation. Dr Wily is the one who ultimately, and unintentionally, ushered in the new age that Dr. Light dreamed of]]. Also, X and the guardians, who were derived from him, are barely mentioned in the fourth game. It's like after spending so many years with Rock and X, and following the morals presented in their 20-something games, we saw a complete reversal on that. Not helping is that fact that while ''VideoGame/MegaMan7'' and subsequent games imply that [[spoiler:killing Dr. Wily is wrong, what ends the wars is the hero killing the human villain. It's somehow suggesting that the original series heroes were wrong the whole time, since killing Wily would've prevented Zero's existence. No Zero means Sigma would never have been infected with the Maverick virus. It also means no Omega, no Elf Wars, and no Neo Arcadia.]]
49	*** Tropers/{{BillyMT}}: It's hinted throughout a few cutscenes sprinkled between X4 to X8 [[AllThereInTheManual and a lot of Megaman Bibles]] that Zero as we know him was a creation of Dr. Cain inside the pre-existing body made by Dr. Wily, after Sigma disabled it and contracted the first sealed strain of the Maverick Virus. So not only is him in a copy body, he's also a impersonator himself. But here's where it gets fun: it was all this time the "impersonator" who became the S-Rank maverick hunter and marked his name and skill in history all this time. The original Zero's purpose was to pretty much be the ultimate destroyer and, for good measure, after Wily's many defeats by Dr. Light's creation, a mindhacker, subverting all his possible foes to his side and ensuring complete domination. The irony? That's Omega himself, which by Dr. Weil's hands and a good dose of chance, became complete again, body and soul, after merging with the Dark Elf, whose power is to mindhack (and also enhance) her enemies. His killer was Zero, the impersonator, the one with a copy soul, in a copy body. The actual S-Rank maverick hunter. Dr. Cain's accidental masterpiece.
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53	* Tropers//{{NTroper}}: One moment stands out in the filler-ific, badly written script of Starforce 2. Namely, when Luna confronts Geo over his HeroicBSOD after he finds Sonia at Bermuda Maze and she reveals she defected to Lady Vega's group, even attacking Geo and leaving him unconscious after cutting off their brotherband to further hammer it in. When Geo fills her in on the situation, Luna calls Geo the world's biggest idiot for not picking up on Sonia obviously pretending to defect to Lady Vega's side to keep Geo safe and for not trusting her. Only one problem here, that being that this whole thing started because Sonia didn't trust Geo. She gets cornered by Hollow and told that only by her joining them will Geo keep safe and she just goes along with it. They don't even have any hold on Geo whatsoever and up to that point, Geo has 2 games' worth of successfully fighting through anything the bad guys throw at him, one of them including a Planet-Killing Weapon, and Geo currently has the OOPart inside him, fully in control of its power. Yet one "Join us or your friend dies" later, Sonia cuts off his brotherband and attacks him...and that is never addressed. To put this in perspective, Kidd Gruff, the NPC that wave changes into [[OptionalBoss Kung Foo Kid]], wants to test his skills against the one who he specifically describes as "The one who defeated Andromeda". You know you've made a grave writing mistake when an NPC gives the main character more credit than his first friend and Brother who actively fights alongside him does.
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57	* Tropers/DongDongNeverDie: The ending of ''[[VideoGame/MegaManLegends Mega Man Legends 2]]''. Just... the ending. It is by far, one of the most infuriating [[{{Cliffhanger}} Cliffhangers]] in gaming history. In a nutshell, [=MegaMan=], Sera, and Tera are left stranded on Elysium with no other means to escape. I mean, sure, [[EsotericHappyEnding they try to keep it positive with MegaMan staying optimistic that Roll will come looking for them no matter what happens]], but then we cut to Roll and Tron's rocket suddenly blowing up, which was meant to be comedic but came across as massively insulting, and to rub salt into the wound, Data has the audacity to say, "Sorry, [=MegaMan=], but it looks like you might be stuck up there for a little while more!" Might as well replace "a little while more" with [[Film/FaceOff "the next hundred years"]] considering the third game, which was supposed to be released in 2011 but was canceled prematurely. Not to mention, this is chronologically the most recent entry in the ''Mega Man'' timeline. I personally blame both Capcom and Keiji Inafune for this. It really is a shame because Volnutt is [[NiceGuy one of the nicest, sweetest protagonists]] in all of ''Mega Man'', yet it feels like he gets treated unfairly because of this one ending. He might as well be TheWoobie of Capcom at this rate.

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