You are perfectly right, especially since it is a case of a page image changed without discussion.
The preceding picture was this one [1]
◊, and it was changed by CJtheDrake on March 19 of this year. Such a change isn't kosher, as when there is an existing image, it needs to be discussed first in the Image Pickin' thread.
Now, the image picking forum is kinda busy currently (over 60 threads started), but I think it should be fine to revert the image, since it was an illegal change in the first place.
Removed this trope entry. As written, the example rests entirely on information given in The Lord of the Rings. The name Sauron is not revealed in The Hobbit. As this is a page for The Hobbit, please write up an example that relies on information given in The Hobbit.
- Villain of Another Story: Gandalf talks about a Necromancer who lives south of Mirkwood. It's later revealed that the Necromancer is in fact Sauron, the Big Bad of The Lord of the Rings.
Genre Savvy is when characters draw on their knowledge of stories they've heard to decide on their own course of action. Neither of the entries under Genre Savvy mention a character actually doing that. As written, all the examples boil down to "character thinks or acts logical" or "character displays reasonable caution", which is not Genre Savvy (and probably isn't a trope at all). Pulled.
- Genre Savvy:
- Smaug asks Bilbo, How in the world is he going to carry all that treasure home? Answer: he only took what two ponies could carry.
- The people of Lake Town see that the river from the Lonely Mountain is turning golden, and think the dwarves have succeeded in their quest. Bard, however, is immediately suspicious, and orders that the bridges to the town be cut and everyone arm themselves - "The dragon is coming, or I am a fool!" He's absolutely right, although thankfully the people are quick to do as he says, meaning Smaug didn't take them totally unawares.
- The trolls are described by the narrator as being completely stupid, but they do have their moments. This is exemplified when they ask Bilbo if there are anymore Burrahobbits sneaking around, and Bilbo in a moment of Too Dumb to Live answers "Yes, lots, no none at all!" The trolls become mighty suspicious, Bert wanted to hold Bilbo's toes over the fire to make him talk, because he didnt want to have his throat cut in his sleep. However William in his moment of Too Dumbto Live wants to let Bilbo go and uses the fact that he caught him as justification. This causes a "gorgeous row" between him and Bert, while Tom stays out of it and tries to bring them to their senses by whacking them with a stick, which only makes them madder. Also when the dwarves show up, Tom says "Lots and none at all, it is, no Burrahobbits, but lots of these here dwarves. Thats about the shape of it!" And they waste no time, in sacking the dwarves, so they can cook and eat them.
Good call.
Here's my thoughts on those points:
- Smaug's comment is an instance of Didn't Think This Through, and the larger example is a case of Reality Ensues.
- Bard is Properly Paranoid- I could see this one counting for Genre Savvy depending on any details given for his logic.
- The trolls are just being a bit less stupid than expected.
Yes, Genre Savvy does not mean "smart."
First and third definitely don't count. Second probably doesn't, but it could. Like Hodor said, depends on his logic.
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I made entries for Didn't Think This Through and Properly Paranoid from the first and the second example. I don't see anything tropable in the third.
Edited by 178.2.78.250 Let's just say and leave it at that.
RE recent edits by Lord Gro. I understand that they were trying to make the page readable as a standalone work, rather than relying on readers also having a knowledge of the rest of the Legendarium, but I have some issues with the tropes just being deleted, since some of them clearly apply to the Legendarium as a whole, such as Cerebus Retcon. Do you think they would be better being put on the Lord of the Rings pages, or on the page for the Legendarium as a whole?
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I'm dying to make a character sheet for the Hobbit, but should we wait till the movies comes out? Or can we do what is done with Lot R and have separated sheets for the book and movies? In that case, we could already make character sheet for the book and later make new one for the films.
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Make a character sheet by all means. You definitely don't have to wait for the films to do that. When they come out the info can either be added to the original page or a new one made.
Okay, I kick-started it. It's still just a skeleton though, and looks kind of embarassing atm... I'll keep adding tropes to it the best I can in the midst of my real life works.
Shouldn't someone create a new page at The Hobbit for the information about the live-action adaptation? That's what we did for The Lord Of The Rings, after all.
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Yep. And the beauty of the wiki is that you can do it yourself. :-)
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OK. I'm not a movie fan, so someone else will have to add more detail, but I'll make it.
Do the symbols on the spine and edges of the book actually mean something? They're Anglo-Saxon runes, that much I know, but do they form a coherent meaning or are they just stand-alone?
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The runes of the cover of The Hobbit tell (in phonetic English) the book's title, the author and the publisher (That's why they are slightly changed in newer versions by a new publisher). Wikipedia even has a detailed section on the ''Hobbit'''s design and illustration
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The current page image seems like an odd choice. Not only is this the book's trope page, but the book is also the main version of The Hobbit. Even putting aside the divisive reaction on the live-action movie, an image with the blatant line "Now A Major Motion Picture" seems out of place, not to mention dating the image.
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