Is there any source at all for the claim I've seen on the trope pages for this book that Alice's canon surname is Pleasance (the real Alice's middle name) and not Liddell? I've seen that mentioned here on both the YMMV page and the Trivia page, but when I Googled it I can't find a source to it. I'm writing an Alice in Wonderland story (with some elements of American McGee's Alice in there) and I want to make sure I get it right. Most adaptations seem to use Liddell, and the only indication book-Alice's surname is Pleasance I've seen is the mention on This Very Wiki.
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I think I pretty much agree with every Trope attributed to its characters, but I believe it has one failing:
It perpetuates the long-standing confusion between Alice in Wonderland and Through the Looking Glass. It mentions the latter as part of its plotline, but gives it a minimal synopsis in comparison to the former and mentions only a few of its characters (The Red Queen, Humpty Dumpty, Tweedle-Dum and Tweedle-Dee are just about the only characters that get a look in). The Other Wiki doesn't combine them, Amazon doesn't do it and no informative book like The Annotated Alice would do it. Only the films do this and it drives Carrolian fans like me insane.
If nobody has any objection, I would rather like to make an altogether seperate trope for Through The Looking-Glass and transfer some of the tropes over there (as I am perfectly willing to do) OR would like to rename this whole trope just " Alice " and to expand on the Looking-Glass characters more so as to end the confusion.
Edited by stealthandcaution3 A slightly unusual person in a slightly unusual world (whether real or imagined, you decide). Don't get lost, now.
In the characters page, Alice is described as a "Token Loli". I don't see why just because a story contains a prepubescent little girl means that it's for Lolicon or anything like that. And it could probably mislead people into thinking Carroll was a pedophile- something that is really just a nasty rumour.
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Hmmm...there are conflicting reports about that. I've heard that Dodgson was indeed interested in women *of his own age* or a bit older, but his estate wants to keep up the Alice myth for some reason, perhaps to ensure that the mythos continues.
Also, I don't get the "leave off at seven" joke. Would someone care to explain it?
"Leave off at seven?" Would that be the Humpty Dumpty thing? Well, basically, he was saying that if someone had murdered her, then Alice wouldn't have grown any older than seven (she was seven and a half exactly in TTLG).
But about the "Token Loli" thing, Alice isn't there for titillation or anything. She's not meant to be sexual in any way. One thing Dodgson liked about little girls was that they were pure and had nothing sexual about them at all.
http://manbehindthecurtain.ie
You Keep Using That Word: When Alice, the Mouse and the other animals wash up on the shore of the Pool of Tears, the Mouse declares that they all need to dry off. He then starts reciting a history of William the Conqueror, an excerpt from a real history book by a guy named Havilland Le Mesurier Chepmell, as it's "the driest thing I know." It certainly is dry (boring), but it unsurprisingly fails to make Alice and the others any more dry (less wet).
removed for "misuse", how is this misuse?