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openDo Youtubers making fanworks count as fanfiction?
Some context… I came upon this Goddess of Victory: NIKKE channel, "Goddess of Drip: Nikke", which has the characters of the game playing mostly Halo Infinite and razzing on each other. The voices are done with text to speech AI.
resolvedTrolling in a WMG page? Western Animation
I found the WMG page for Mufasa: The Lion King and the entries there seem quite unserious to the point of feeling like trolling.
openWhat can I use for example images Anime
Hi there! Long time lurker, newbie editor of pages. I decided to do a baby step of fixing some dead links on the *K-ON!* page. However, I'm unfamiliar with what exactly is fine to use as an example image. Are archive.org okay to use, or is first-hand source preferred? I was able to replace one with another example image (since they demonstrated the same thing), but some of the others don't have exact replacements. I have found an archive log of one example, but am unsure if I could use it.
Also, what should I do if a link is dead, and I can't replace it? Three out of four video links have since been deleted, unclear if by copyright or by the user, so I'm worried I might not be able to find replacements. Should I remove the links if I can't?
[PS: if one could redirect me to a source that explains this, it would be much appreciated. ^^ I've tried but I didn't find one as of typing this]
openWanting to avoid an edit war
On Trivia.Shin Megami Tensei V, troper helryx removed a Dueling Games entry citing that "Dueling games doesn't apply to two works just because they were released in the same month".
Here's the entry is question:
- Dueling Games: Vengeance is slated to be released on June 14, 2024, one week before the release of Elden Ring's highly anticipated Shadow of the Erdtree DLC expansion.
However it doesn't match up to what Dueling Works has to say: Again, just to be clear: The works have to be produced during the same time period (within one year of each other or with overlapping runs in the case of series)
However, I don't want to start an edit war so I want to ask if it is ok to restore?
opendoes this register as anti-semetic?
disclaimer: i am in no way a fan of zionism or Israel, free Palestine
a user in the Rule Of Cautious Editing Judgement and the No Real Life Examples Please brought up Master Race for cutting and this was one of the first examples:
* Ironically, despite their suffering at the hands of the Nazis over this belief the Jews haven't been immune to it either. The Jewish people were always ethnocentric, as evidenced by their religious texts purporting the supremacy of their ethnic collective over other nations. The main reason they treated Jesus as All of the Other Reindeer was because they expected a God-Emperor to establish a One World Order in which Jews would openly realize their spiritual and political supremacy over other peoples. However, their supremacist beliefs lacked the force of a state and an apparatus for wielding control over non-Jews until the formation of modern Israel, in which the Palestinians living under them are heavily discriminated against. Black African Jews (largely Ethiopians) have also been treated very badly, as have some Middle Eastern Jews (in spite of Jews' origins being there) and Christian converts because European Jews are the rulers overall, with many holding racist views.
now, racism among European Jews and Israel is a hot button topic and as someone from Southeast Asia I've seen Israeli racism towards SE Asians, especially Filipinos, but this sounds not great at all and blames "Jews"
this was originally added by stankykong here. the edits by Fireblood seem okay because it mentions the issues of racism against non-European Jews, which has been an issue in Israel for a while
resolved Accidental duplicate work page
So... I just created WesternAnimation.Boop Oop A Doop today because I thought we didn't have a page for the cartoon.
Lo and behold, I just discovered WesternAnimation.Boop-Oop-A-Doop, with hypens. I didn't know we could, or would, put hyphens in the URL. Not when we have custom wikiwords.
My version has some tropes and other info not on the hyphenated version. I think we should add the missing info to one page and delete the other, but which one? I've already spent a lot of time crosswicking my version...
Edited by DrNoPumaopenDuel Links huge folder question Videogame
Somewhere along the line Yu-Gi-Oh! Duel Links got two huge folders detailing every playable character and their signature card, putting strain on an already pretty big page. Should it stay or should they go, do you think?
(Disney Dreamlight Valley and Disney Speedstorm have similar folders for villagers/playable characters and signature songs too even though they have a Character page. Since this is kind of a similar situation I'm curious about those too.)
openIs Paris Jackson's page a little too prying?
The biography for Paris Jackson talks a lot about her mental health struggles and self-harm attempts, which seems a little bit too prying into her personal life, especially since she's still living, still pretty young, discusses things that happened before she started her actual career, and has talked about how much she doesn't like being a paparazzi magnet. Should this be edited?
openWeirdly hostile edit over a word?
An entry on Horrible.Animated Films for the film Bands on the Run was changed by bs2007 to replace the word "soulless" with "worthless", the edit reason being a threatening "Don't call a movie soulless ever again." What?
Edited by supernintendo128openThe page "Where Was My Hero?" Needs a Cleanup Webcomic
So, I have been looking over the page for Where Was My Hero...? and it seems like the page is a bit messy in regards to having too many tropes on the page and most of the tropes are not in alphabetical order. I tried to edit some of the page, but there's too much to go through on this page. Does this page need a bit of a cleanup?
open "Official" Fix Fics
So, the main page for Fix Fic has "official" examples of the trope. Something about that doesn't feel right. A Fix Fic is something, by definition, something the fans wrote up to right wrongs in the original work, not Pre-TRS Author's Saving Throw. Not only does this encourage Trope Decay, a lot of these examples are speculative (and some examples even admit this). I find it funny how the actual Fix Fics are on their own subpage while the "official" ones are the ones on the main page.
Any idea what I should do with these examples?
Edited by PlasmaPoweropenEdit war over SRO
On this page, captaintrainor added an entry for Surprisingly Realistic Outcome that I later removed for being not really surprising and, though I forgot to mention it the first time, it's also a character reaction (which are not examples of SRO by definition). captaintrainor has since added it back without an edit reason.
resolved Sayaka sock?
Uenii is a new troper, who on their first day has three pages worth of edits, on pages frequent by a serial ban evader, and this edit being quite telling.
openConcerns about the Destined Death folder claiming that it's an Outer God.
I mentioned this on the discussion page a couple of days ago, but got no response, so I mentioned it here as well. Elden Ring: Outer Gods treats Destined Death and the unnamed Outer God of the Twinbird as if they were the same, causing that other pages describe Destined Death as an Outer God. This puzzles me because neither the fextralife wiki nor the fandom wiki do this.
The argument in favor is that, and I quote: "The power of the Prince of Death's Staff, derived from the Destined Death that Maliketh seized from the Gloam-Eyed Queen, empowers both the ghostflame and Death sorceries of the Deathbirds; in addition, the Mausoleum Knights who protect the bodies of slain demigods use the wings and eclipse symbols of Deathbirds, and the Eclipse Shotel associated with them can inflict Deathblight, an affliction born from the Prince of Death. All of these indicate they are most likely separate manifestations of the same power, who have intervened in the Lands Between ever since the arrival of the twinbird."
Although these connections are indeed mentioned in the game, I think it's a stretch to suggest that they come from the same source.
Deathblight is first and foremost an in-game mechanic, and it has its quirks. Both Wormfaces and Basilisks can give you Deathblight but aren't affected by incantations that kill Those Who Live in Death, and neither are Tibia Mariners which are strongly linked to Those Who Live in Death. So it's not a bulletproof argument.
The game said that Godwyn's current state is the result of a rite performed by Ranni, in which both were killed with a fragment of Destined Death at the same time, but Ranni died in flesh but her soul lived, while Godwyn died in soul but his body lived. Meaning that if not for this rite, Destined Death should have straight up killed Godwyn, both in soul and body, a "true death," very different from the ancient God of Twinbird, which is associated with an afterlife, and typical undead and necromancy stuff.
Keep in mind that the Frenzied Flame and the Fell God of the Giants also share themes like fire and eyes, and somehow you can use yourself as kindling in the forge of the giants to burn the Erdtree and SURVIVE if you inherit the Flame of Frenzy, but the game still mentions these two as separate entities, which means that just because the Prince of Death has some link to Destined Death doesn't guarantee that they are all products of the same God.
Also, it is really telling that the folder ignores all the connections that exist between the Destined Death and the Elden Ring. The other name for Destined Death is the Rune of Death, and the Elden Ring is composed of runes. The Godskin Nobles have a similar physiology to those close to the crucible, which is "the Erdtree in its primordial form", and, according to Enia, the Golden Order was created by "plucked" the Rune of Death, suggesting that the concept of death was once part of the Elden Ring (something Miyazaki himself mentions).
In the end, the game is very vague and ambiguous on this subject, but our current page is anything but ambiguous, it's basically a fan theory presented as facts, and I think we should cut the folder out completely.
Edited by SoyValdo7openDC and Marvel sub pages
Hello, it's been a while since we talked, and I would've reached out to you sooner, but I've been sick and recovering. I'm well enough to edit on TV tropes, but I was too ill to send you a message until now.
I wanted to discuss the topic of DC and Marvel subpages again. There's a lot of debate and controversy about these subpages, mainly because they have examples from multiple mediums, and people are complaining about the other mediums being on two pages. You even deleted and removed some of the examples on these subpages, which if is a violation of the rules regarding subpages, I understand.
But then I realized something that would solve the problem: keep the examples on the sub-pages while deleting the second examples on the other pages. Based on my interpretation of the complaints, this would solve the problem and keep the pages instead of erasing them completely. I started doing this in a number of the sub-pages, and so I would like some feedback of this idea.
openFake Brit and Voice Acting
On Trivia.Valkyria Chronicles, troper gjjones deleted a Fake Brit entry with this edit reason:
To knowledge, unlike Dawson Casting, which is strictly live action, Fake Brit (and related tropes) can be applied to voice acting since it is about hearing an accent than physical appearance. Any other thoughts on this?
openPossible Troll
So a user by the name of bradyreino recently added some blatantly untrue things to the Total Drama main page (edits found here) and while myself and another user removed them, is this something we should keep an eye on?
openTroper M00ny4rzu needs a tap on the shoulder. Western Animation
Troper M00ny4rzu keeps on adding back An Aesop for this recap page for the Bluey show, despite there being a cleanup for the wick. I had added the reason it was removed and the troper put the example back. The second time, I added much more details.
openSpecific forum complaining policy?
What is the policy for complaining about a show or film on the forum? I need to know so I know when hollering the mods is appropriate.
If there is a link to the rules, that would also be helpful. Thanks.
The character page for Tangled lists Tangled: The Series-exclusive characters on their own pages (Cassandra and Varian), but combines the original Tangled characters onto one page. I distinctly remember Rapunzel and Eugene having their own pages.
Was this a recent cleanup?
Edited by Pbskidsfan