- You're forgetting something aside from her hair...her ears. Most hedgehogs in this universe have pointy ears unlike real-life hedgehogs. Echidnas on the other hand, have no visual ears, only their dreadlocks. Amy's tail is also pointy, much like Sonic, Shadow and Silver's tails, not crooked like most echidna characters.
- Another fun fact about the hedgehogs, they appear to have Conjoined Eyes, whereas echidnas don't. So I think it's safe to say that this WMG is Jossed. Amy Rose is indeed a hedgehog and not an echidna.
- In the 2-D games, anyway. Hence why they all sink to the bottom of any body of water they come across; and all have the same spin attack. The robotic Sonics that Dr. Robotnik built were all attempts to imitate the design of the robotic hedgehog that was decimating his forces. Of course, Sonic and Knuckles were destroyed at some point between the 2-D games and the 3-D ones. Tails, in his grief; built a new Sonic, and a new Knuckles. In fact, every redesign has just been them being destroyed; and replaced with newer models.
- Still doesn't explain why the koalas in question keep refering to her by "Princess" if that's the case.
- Jossed; Lost World has Badniks again. We even see them being assembled.
Now take Omega, who was created to stop Shadow getting out and helped capture him in 2006. He must have been made as soon as Eggman found Shadow, so he too would be part of that E-Series. He's incredibly powerful. And regarding the ARK speculation, most robots will rust after a couple of decades. Organic life-forms will expend their energy and die. But if Eggman used an immortal experiment from the ARK, he could power Omega for longer and make him stronger. Also, having a powerful lifeform would help to explain the development of a personality and Omega's particular dislike of Eggman.
- Heckaroonies, maybe Omega is powered by a Shadow Clone.
- Fridge Brilliance, anyone? This may go to explain a lot about Eggman. Also counts as Fridge Horror.
- To expand on this WMG, in the Riders games the legitimate robotics corporation he secretly runs, Meteotech, has facilities and clients in countries that look like GUN territories, and the Zero Gravity Meteotech security robots look like the machines he brought to his invasion of Soleanna. Perhaps in the timeline where '06 existed, the Doctor came up with a scenario that would allow his own company to "blame him" for the theft of a shipment of security robots, after using legitimate means of transporting them into the country (or even legitimately manufacturing them inside the country through factories he secretly owns)! It also explains where he gets the money for his world conquest attempts, through a shell corporation that buries his works inside its R&D budget.
- Or maybe he's a vampire.
- Or inverted, the Shadow after SA 2 is the original. SA 2's is a copy. Some lore materials imply Shadow's escape capsule wasn't officially found after Maria's death leaving it open that Gerald created a clone that lived through SA 2. After SA 2 Eggman found the real original Shadow and was using him as a base ("Copies require an original," paraphrasing Gamma) for the Shadow Androids and other copies.
Alternatively, in a more direct reference, Sonic the Hedgehog searches for golden rings. Now, the only people who actively search for and collect golden rings are pirates, treasure hunters, and archaeologists. Now, since Sonic is too young to be Indiana Jones, he must therefore be a pirate.
- Both are called alien squids by the fandom, they give powers and help bipedal, super-fast animals undergo changes in their body by giving them powers/evolving them at a very fast rate, and if you'll notice, the Nega-Mother Wisp really does resemble the aliens in the comics! Purple tentacles, massive head, you could say they're Canon Immigrants.
- Sonic is really an alien from the planet Scalisco who enslaved mankind, and Robotnik is sick of humanity being imprisoned, so he created an army of robo-animals to battle the evil Scalisconians, while they all try to stop him so Sonic can retain his control over mankind.
- That'd make a bit of sense with the original games, but what about the 3D ones where it specifically shows that Robotnik wants to take over the world and that he's hated (BY HUMANS) across the land for that reason?
- What. The old games' whole backstories disproved the theory anyway.
- The humans got comfortable with Sonic and friends ruling over them, Robotnik became a well intentioned extremist.
- We have seen the government in the 3-D games, as well as who controls it, and none of them are anthros. Additionally, if Sonic were a a dictator of some sort, he'd have an army by now.
- He does, he's got an army of furries.
- I get the joke, but that wouldn't be enough furries to make a company, much less an army.
- He then invented a cloning machine.
- Maybe Dr. Eggman is of this species too! He wears gloves and has Rubber-Hose Limbs, like the anthros.
- Could be! He grabbed a human the same way the chao grab little animals and absorb their traits.
- Chaos gets "bones" when it absorbs chaos Emeralds. The Mobians get 'bones' (or some sort of vaguely ridged structure) and strength from the ambient chaos energy and the rings.
- Perhaps Rouge absorbed Chaos Emeralds once, and that's the reasons she looks that way?
- The chao in SA2 gain abilities based on the chaos drives you give them. Enough of the green type, and they start to look like a mini-Sonic, and even gain some of his running ability. The red ones make them look like Knuckles, and improve their climbing ability.
- Maybe Dr. Eggman is of this species too! He wears gloves and has Rubber-Hose Limbs, like the anthros.
- While Shadow does SEEM more powerful, the fact that Sonic is able to not only keep up with him, but even occasionally beat him without the flashy moves Shadow uses. Though, he's proven to be capable of them also (something he learns out of nowhere). Shadow hints at this during Sonic '06 when he's unconfident that they would be able to win without Sonic. And Sonic's spirit bonding with the wind after being killed.
- Shadow does admit this in Sonic Adventure 2 (though he may have forgotten after losing his memory), but the fandom seems to be split on this.
- Another strong piece of evidence is the "Super Sonic" prophecy from 3 & Knuckles. Note that Shadow is designed to resemble Super Sonic (at least in silhouette). It stands to reason that after the Biolizard proved... unsatisfactory, Professor Gerald turned to the ancient prophecy, attempting to create a Super Sonic that didn't require the Chaos Emeralds to access Chaos Energy.
- One problem: the hand rings are power limiters. When he removes those, he's easily far, far beyond anything Sonic could do without going Super.
- Does he ever remove them when fighting Sonic, though? Nope. Not even when he's fighting him seriously, such as at the end of the Hero and Dark stories in SA2. The most likely explanation is that his "full power mode" wouldn't be very effective against Sonic, instead slowing Shadow down and making him lose. It's effective against slow foes like Mephiles, but Sonic is probably capable of outrunning "full power Shadow" and dodging each of his attacks, making the mode useless against him. Think Sonic vs Perfect Chaos from Generations, or Sonic vs the Nega-Wisp Armor from Colors.
Ivo Robotnik decided to avenge the family, while his grandfather also formulated the plan of "revenge from the grave" shortly before the execution. But, unlike the latter, Ivo never wanted to destroy all life on the planet (in fact, it was hard for him to believe that Gerald, young Ivo's hero, meant to kill everyone on the planet). He just wants to prove that the U.F.'s decision was wrong, while creating a better government for all people of the planet. HIS government. Look at the screen during the declaration of Eggman's ultimatum in SA2. The screen says "Robotnik Empire". The empire of Eggman, and the empire of the whole Robotnik family, created to avenge the murder of the innocent.
And why is he well-intentioned? Well, Dr. Robotnik from the game universe is not a maniac who wants to roboticize every living thing (though, he IS an egotistical bastard, and he isn't afraid to kill anyone standing in his way). He actually wants people to live under his rule ("Those idiots! They're destroying everything! How can I take over the city and build the Eggman Empire if there is no city?!"). And with his endless resources and perfect robotic machines, Dr. Robotnik can actually build a truly utopian society. He even doesn't really want to kill Sonic and friends, those furries just always get in his way (well, in the early games and the first Advance, Robotnik actually provoked them by using their smaller, less anthro friends to power his machines).
By the way, Dr. Robotnik also has another plan. If he can't conquer the planet, he will create the Eggmanland. What is the Eggmanland? Just another giant robotic base as shown in Unleashed? Well, the base is only a part of one great complex. Why does Robotnik need all those Chaos Emeralds or Gaia's powers to create a base, or even a city? He already has (had?) the big city and the base in Scrap Brain Zone, all in the first game (where he ALSO was on a quest to create the Eggmanland as the original Japanese manual says). Eggmanland is not just a city, it is Robotnik's image of an ideal country, the robotic utopia where machines do everything for you. Of course Ivo needs unlimited energies to power this thing. If such a utopia is created, while the whole world is in chaos (maybe even caused by Dr. Robotnik himself), many people will choose it as a better place to live than the Federation, thus gaining a moral victory and a victory in world domination for the Robotnik family.
- This is a theory that I have considered as well, and I agree with most of your points. In addition:
- Him not really trying to kill Sonic and Co is something I at first objected to. Well, at least, when it comes to Sonic. Remember Sonic Adventure 2? Not to mention the HUGE mech he used against Tails in Sonic Adventure. Though you did mention that the gameverse Robotnik is willing to kill people if they get in the way, and Sonic and friends are always getting in his way, so you make a good point. I don't think Eggman's robots have ever really attacked citizens, even in Sonic the Hedgehog (2006), they just intimidated them a lot.
- At first, I couldn't understand how Eggmanland could be considered a utopia. It is really, really cool, if not extremely hard to beat, I must admit! But do you SEE those clouds over it? It's very clearly daytime since Sonic is in his normal form when they first arrive, yet it's very dark and the sky is filled with smoke. Unless it wasn't smoke and just ordinary heavy clouds that were red from the lights of the city.
- Unfortunately, if the bad futures from Sonic CD are anything to go by, Eggman's reach exceeds his grasp, and if he ever is successful, his machines will grow beyond his control, bringing about an apocalypse, possibly even enslaving him to it.
- We don't know why this happens. Maybe it's because of the emeralds. Maybe Bad Future-Robotnik got mad of all of his Chaotic Power. Or maybe it's just Rule of Cool. Past or Present, Good or Bad Future, Metallic Madness is still Dr. Robotnik's main base on the Little Planet. Maybe the Good Future is the actual result of Robotnik's success (as you noted, in Bad Future machines overpower his ego — even Eggmanland Logos are broken!). The Past doesn't look so bad and the Present is just a big base. If anything, Bad Future is bad for Robotnik too.
- Except that yes, we totally know what causes the bad futures. Destroying Eggman's robot teleporters creates the good future, whereas leaving them keeps the bad future, proving that yes, they're the result of Eggman's actions.
- The Bad Future could still be Eggman's agenda having Gone Horribly Right.
- Its a Bad Future because Eggman's an incompetent ruler. He's still a narcissist no matter how well-intentioned he is, and his vision of utopia would fail. The guy thinks that utopia is a land of amusement parks and robot toys. By the time he realises that its a Crapsaccharine World, Metal Sonic and his cronies will have taken over. Dude should've just make his Funland the legal way.
- The off world person is.... the game Robotnik.
- Does this make Sonic Haruhi?
- Tails was indeed originally going to be a kitsune. They changed it to a fox when they realized that they would have to explain to western audiences what a kitsune is. The character was already fairly well developed before being a kitsune, as shown by the appearance in an early arcade game of "Ray the Flying Squirrel". The same game was the first appearance of Mighty, who is essentially a draft version of Sonic that was later redrawn in his current form.
- Which would make Tails' true orgin and whether he is aware that he's actually a kitsune WMGs themselves.
- It would also explain his apparent immortality when following Sonic in the games as a 'Player 2'. And how he immediately respawns even if he drowns or gets crushed in two player modes; Kitsunes are typically depicted as immortal creatures — meaning Tails can't really "die" (or at least stay dead). His immortality sometimes applies even if he's just an NPC in the modern games.
- Metal Knuckles (who's actually named Mecha Knuckles, thank you) made a reappearance in Sonic Advance 1. I agree with the others though.
- That's a different Mecha Knuckles, actually.
- The Eggrobos are mass-produced, so if The Tails Doll got one, Eggman has made more since.
- In one "possible future" in the comics, it's shown that Maria is considered a god; people pray to her statue (with wings), and "Maria have mercy" and "Maria help me" are common statements. One would think this would require more involvement than simply Shadow talking about her.
- Wait, did this occur in the possible future where Shadow rules Mobius as an evil tyrant or the future that comes after that? Then again, considering that all those "possible futures" are supposed to be 25 YEARS after the canonical comics, it doesn't make much sense for Sonic and the gang to convert to Maria-worship that quickly.
- For this, I simply say: Every time they show the flashback, THERE IS A GUNSHOT JUST BEFORE SHE FALLS TO THE GROUND. Sounds like concrete evidence of her death to me.
- Sounds like evidence that she was shot, not that it was fatal.
- Sounds like evidence that she was shot at, not that she was hit.
- Sounds like evidence that she was shot at with something, not that it wasn't blanks.
- I think the point was that it's Shadow's flashbacks. Though that would mean she'd have to take an assumed identity after leaving the ARK to fool the current GUN commander. Though if she did become a higher up at GUN, it might be possible for her to fool the commander (assuming commander isn't the top position). Then again, what would her motive be? Also, we know people died because of the GUN commander. I really doubt she'd set up that complex a gambit for no apparent reason. Then again, WMG.
- Not possible. Gerald finds her name among those who died after the Project Shadow Shutdown, which is what drove him insane and set the events of SA2 in motion. GUN also couldn't have altered Gerald's diary, since even finding it would have allowed GUN to properly disable/destroy the ARK before it turned into a Colony Drop Doomsday Device. Shadow had ruled for 5 years straight in the 25 Years Later arc, giving him plenty of time to set up Maria as a god, and given how harsh his rule, getting a symbol of hope in Maria was what the people clung to, as well as what Shadow wanted in the first place; a way to peace. Also, remember the WMD left behind in the ARK, the Eclipse Cannon? Considering all Shadow had to do was power it up to make it operational, and the Artificial Chaos experiments were still running loose by Sonic Adventure 2, this disproves the theory of GUN having captured/destroyed everything save Maria. In turn, this eliminates the chance of her being a bargaining chip for Gerald's co-operation with GUN, since Gerald did have something to motivate him in destroying the world. As such, Maria couldn't be behind everything, just short of a My Death Is Only The Beginning in helping Shadow escape the raid and telling him what she did.
- If we take the interpretation that Eggman became a villain as a result of his grandfather's persecution, then, in a way, Maria is behind everything.
Both Sonic and Robotnik/Eggman Nega have similar looks and abilities to their past counterparts — too similar to chock up to experience or even Identical Grandson-ness. Gerald's similarity to Robotnik can be explained, as he also has a granddaughter (though it's still similar enough to make one wonder...); but there is no evidence that Robotnik ever had or ever will have romantic encounters with women, and his technological skills coupled with his grandfather's newfound notes on biotechnology make him ideally suited for self-cloning. Shadow was created in a lab using alien DNA and sealed throughout Sonic's creation; therefore, their special similarities cannot be adequately explained as coincidence — especially not after Sonic is shown to use Chaos Control near the end of Sonic Adventure 2, something that Shadow can do effortlessly, something Sonic didn't even know he could do. If Sonic is a clone or recreation of Shadow and the project that created him, it explains a hell of a lot.
- Problems:
- Gerald is short and skinny and looks nothing like Eggman.
- Every male hedgehog that has ever appeared in the Sonic game series looks like Sonic and can use Chaos emeralds.
- Gerald still has the same general build and facial features as Robotnik. The differences in their appearance can be explained away by Gerald's extreme age — he was old enough to have grandkids, after all. (Also, if you're going by the video he made in Adventure 2, he was emaciated from having been in prison for so long.) The only male hedgehogs we know of are Sonic, Shadow (a clone or artificial life form), and Silver, who is from the future or an alternate reality. Of course they are all be able to use Chaos Emeralds, and of course they all look similar; if Silver's from the future, he could be the result of another attempt to revitalize Project Shadow gone wrong — very wrong, given that his powers are radically different; if he's from an alternate universe, he could be that world's version of Sonic (or Shadow).
- Amy Rose is a hedgehog who uses the Chaos Emeralds to access Hammerspace. According to Sonic X, Amy has about the same level of super strength as Knuckles. Just less actual fighting experience. She must be a gender-flipped clone.
- Outside of comedic moments, she was never really shown or implied to be as strong as Knuckles in Sonic X, was she?
- Back to the cloning thing: Maybe it's the other way around with the hedgehogs? Shadow seems "better" at Chaos Control than Sonic, who in most continuities either discovers he has the ability by chance or doesn't show as much finesse with it as Shadow. Isn't it more logical to assume Sonic is a prototype and Shadow a "newer" model?
- Shadow's over fifty years old, whereas Sonic is, what, 16? Plus, we have no clue how long Shadow's been practicing. We see Sonic successfully use Chaos Control on his first try with a fake Emerald. That implies prodigious talent.
- While this is true, Shadow is implied to have spent most of his fifty years in stasis.
- An original is frequently better than its copies, especially if it isn't fully understood. Otherwise, there would never be Porting Disasters.
- Shadow's over fifty years old, whereas Sonic is, what, 16? Plus, we have no clue how long Shadow's been practicing. We see Sonic successfully use Chaos Control on his first try with a fake Emerald. That implies prodigious talent.
- The Similarity is a Coincidence. Professor Gerald had been on the Floating Island so long that he was able to recreate the Shrine to the Master Emerald. Also on the Island is an Ancient Echidna Prophecy depicting Super Sonic and Eggman's Giant Mecha fight. Shadow was most likely based on this. Note that Shadow's Spines and Eye color are similar to Super Sonic's. Shadow is a clone of Sonic before Sonic was even born.
- Sonic could still be Shadow's clone even then. It's a Stable Time Loop if he is, but once valid prophecies get added to the mix, stable time loops and Temporal Paradoxes become par for the course.
- It's also possible that hedgehogs just have a genetic tendency for powerful chaos control; Shadow is an artificially enhanced version of the best template Gerald had to work with, and Sonic is a naturally occurring mutation. While Shadow was "made with [Black Doom's] blood", that doesn't rule out Gerald beginning with a set of chaos-enabled hedgehog genes.
- It's also possible that Sonic was able to quickly grasp Chaos Control was because of his past experience with Chaos energy. He had never used it to warp space-time before, but he already knew how to access the energy. This is supported by his being able to intuit exactly what Shadow did during their first encounter with only the words "Chaos Control" and Shadow's apparent teleportation to work with.
- There are only three male hedgehogs, and Amy used to look like Sonic, before she let her quills grow in Sonic CD. She can't use the chaos emeralds, as far as we know.
- 'Ostensibly because the final boss wanted to stop them from stealing the Chaos Emeralds'? The final boss destroyed Angel Island entirely because of the Chao genocide.
- Chao appear to absorb the life force from small animals to gain some of their power.
- As of Frontiers, this theory appears to hold a bit more weight due to how they're descended from aliens.
- If Knuckles was that old, you would think he wouldn't be so hardheaded and easy to fool. However, Knuckles has stayed on the island, guarding the Master Emerald, alone for most of his life; it makes sense that he'd be distrustful of strangers and ignorant of the world outside the island. He might even be senile.
- The Sonic Heroes game booklet flatly lists him as 16. However, Sonic Heroes also lists Tails and Charmy as younger than what they were originally listed as.
- Tails has always been eight in the games, as seen by Sonic Jam's character profiles. Charmy... has a combination of localization issues (he was only sixteen in the American manual, he had no age in Japan) and wild mass guessing involving his very obscure origins.
- Ha! Echidnas, unlike most mammals, lay eggs! It's entirely possible that Knuckles was fertilized before Perfect Chaos first attacked, and his egg was put into a state of suspended animation by the Master Emerald, the cold of Ice Cap, or whatever. Because Destiny Says So, his egg was eventually incubated and hatched sixteen years before the events of Sonic Heroes. Of course, this doesn't solve the problem of who taught him to speak, among other things.
- Remember, in Sonic Adventure, Tikal can telepathically be a talking glowing ball of light wherever she wants to. She raised him.
- In the comic books, he is said to be a lot older.
- Which comics are these? The USA's "Archie" series has it that Knuckles is the latest of a family line of Guardians, and there's an entire civilisation of Echidnas in hiding on the island — Knuckles was basically kicked out at a young age and forgot they existed. The UK's "Fleetway" series established Knuckles as being from the Echidna Empire, a guard who was placed in cryogenic stasis and awoken centuries later, after his race had been destroyed, and with selective amnesia so he didn't know how he'd come to be in this state.
- 90% of the characters' bodies defy biological explanation anyway... Sonic's head is huge, Knuckles has dreadlocks, and Tails can fly with his tails. (Cream can fly with her ears, too).
- You think Sonic's head size is the biggest problem? What about the fact that he can run over 700 mph when his legs are as thick as AA batteries? I'd say that's probably more biologically impossible than his large head.
- Maybe they're all robots. That's it! That's the explanation! Everyone's already been roboticized; they just don't know it yet.
- No, no, they were all robots all along, created by Eggman. It's all part of a test by him to prove that robots are a superior form of existence. He'll keep on pushing them until he dies and world peace is achieved.
- Seriously speaking, Eggman has resurrected himself time and time again with cybernetics, leaving him barely human at all. This is totally the way to go.
- Maybe he's trying to make a good enough robot for one of Wily's contests?
- Wily held that contest exactly once, with the express purpose of stealing the eight finalists.
- Maybe he's trying to make a good enough robot for one of Wily's contests?
- Chris is probably open-minded enough not to expect a damsel straight out of a comic book — and he says in canon that Cosmo reminds him of himself when he was younger. It's natural that he wouldn't want her to be entirely useless; hence, she ends up saving the universe, albeit dying in the process... He shouldn't have wanted the dying, but if this IS a hallucination, then it's possible. Alternatively...
- This would explain the Character Derailment Tails went through.
- How was he character derailed? Asides from suddenly no longer going 'eww' around girls and suddenly having to captain a ship on a quest to save the galaxy (which I guess should probably mess with a guy a bit), he seemed pretty much the same to me.
- This would explain the Character Derailment Tails went through.
- It's not one hundred percent certain that Chris's "real" body arrived in Sonic's world when he pulled the Transportation-Without-Chaos-Energy thing. By rights, transporting between worlds without chaos energy should not be possible, so how did he even manage it? A possible explanation is that he didn't. The boy that appears in Sonic's world is a projection of his actual self as the Master Emerald remembers him; hence, he comes through the portal eighteen and ends up looking twelve, and with all his mental and cognitive faculties in place. His mind is possibly there, but the real Chris's body is contained within the Emerald itself on some level in the same way as Tikal... This leads to some rather disturbing theories about what happened to him when the Master Emerald exploded.
- Yeah... I remember Tails once saying something quite like this in the Brazilian dub, only he said the emerald kept Chris's age instead of his self. It's not farfetched to think he was a little mistaken about just WHAT was kept there, he's just a kid and that's an ancient device of power, after all.
~70 years before the events of Sonic Adventure 2, a major research project toward developing a biological being capable of harnessing the full energy of the Emeralds for research toward conventional mechanical systems was developed; the result would be immortal and incredibly powerful and thus called the Ultimate Life Form. While the original test subject, the Biolizard, was capable of accessing a previously unknown level of Chaos Emerald energy, it still didn't pull the full amount from a single emerald. This was enough to bootstrap advances in conventional crystal energy research, and begin (hugely inefficient) methods of pulling energy from the Chaos Emeralds for power generation. This method replaced the ARK's original reactor core, which had previously taken up a sizable portion of the station.
Hoping for future successes on these lines, the scientists began work on the next phase of the project, the being known as Shadow the Hedgehog, the original Hedgehog. This creature was capable of using Chaos Emeralds to generate vast energy fields and freeze time. Super Forms are theorized, but never tested (since removing every Emerald from the reactor core would also shut down some life support). Shadow is used to leapfrog future research, build a basic. Unfortunately, Shadow is also virtually impossible to create from existing technology; a deal is brokered with Black Doom in return for the underlying biotech and blood samples, with the Humans planning to double-cross Black Doom with the resulting data. Even worse, the Eclipse Cannon is nearly discovered by Black Doom, leading Planet Gov to "shut down" the "traitorous" project leaders. Maria is accidentally killed in the event, but manages to put Shadow in an escape pod first rather than letting him be destroyed. The ARK is decommissioned and all Chaos Emeralds brought to the Planet in order to appease Black Doom, while final upgrades to the Eclipse Cannon — and the newly genocidal Dr. Gerald Robotnik's doomsday device — are quietly put into place.
On the ground, new research projects continue in order to further prove Chaos Emerald Tech. At least one of these generates a new template based on Shadow but without the Black Doom blood sample, and at least one other copy of this template is made with some modifications. It's not clear whether Sonic, Silver, or some other hedgehog is the third generation, and which is the fourth generation, or even if the fourth generation's modifications assist in Chaos Control or even actively harm it. One of these projects, Sonic, escapes during an early experiment with at least one Chaos Emerald, but does not activate Chaos Control methods with it. This *may* be as recently as 16 years ago, but the effective immortality of all Chaos Hedgehogs makes the point moot. Silver (and possibly other Chaos Hedgehogs) are created, but left in stasis. All of them, Silver and Sonic included, have basic understandings of modern science's knowledge about Chaos Emeralds embedded into their brains, but the process is inefficient and only activates in certain conditions.
- Whichever one actually is the Ultimate, however, is still up for grabs.
- Or, perhaps because Gerald Robotnik probably designed Shadow to be immortal, there is a method to "reboot" his memory to avoid the "time dilation" problem normally associated with immortality.
- Does anybody else want to see this combined with the above speculation about fast mental processes, and see what Sonic would be capable of in the Shinkirou? (I mean, look at the combat... The pilots have got to be constantly on some improved variety of dramamine.)
Shadow Hedgehog was the first to be created, however, he still retained the memories of the original Shadow, and had to be put into suspended animation. Silver was used to test nanomachines that gave the user psychic powers, but was deemed too dangerous, and also put in suspended animation, eventually waking up in the future.
The last remaining clone, Sonic Hedgehog, was sent to defeat Dr. Eggman, who threatened GUN's control of the world. Unbeknownst to them, however, Eggman had retrieved the body of the original Shadow, and used it to create Metal Sonic.
The rest is history.
- Someone has been playing too much Metal Gear Solid.
- Alternatively...
- Sonic is the nigh-perfect clone. Something uniquely supernatural occurred in his creation, the "blue wind" that was seen during his death in Sonic 06 was unexpectedly involved in his creation.
- Shadow was the first clone created, but as noted by his appearance, he isn't a perfect copy. Sort of like Mewtwo and Mew, Shadow was cloned from the original Sonic for the purpose of being more powerful than the original.
- Silver is a clone from the future. His DNA is actually a composite of Shadow, Sonic, and the original Hedgehog, leading to his unique form and abilities.
- This is slightly justified both in comic appearances (where the tarot fascination stuck) and in Sonic Chronicles, where she's once again using Tarot cards, this time to curse enemies. Also, since when has such a kid-friendly looking hammer caused so much death and destruction? Clearly it isn't simply a giant squeaky toy hammer.
- This could also be the reason for her invisibility powers in Sonic '06.
- Amy uses HAMMERSPACE to summon her hammer. Not sure about the Tarot cards though.
- Combining the former WMG, Amy just travels through Hammerspace from place to place giving the impression of invisibility.
- So would this mean that she's losing control of Chaos when her emotions get the better of her? It's been a while since I played the games, but I remember it being pretty clear overall that she's struggling to bring him to a more manageable, less homicidal state — something that shouldn't be a big problem for a person who can out-and-out control the water.
- Perhaps it's all a facade of Stepford Smiler levels; she may not be losing control of Chaos himself so much as her own emotions - the struggles to calm him being in fact the struggle to conquer her own thinly-veiled rage and frustration.
- There's always Tikhaos.
- Would explain a lot. To go father: If they are EGGMAN'S Robots, who rebelled, then we would have.... Something that sounds like Crash Bandicoot.
- But explain Bunnie Rabbot◊, then.
- She was partially skinned.
- Here's the story: The Tails Doll wiped out all humans except Ivo Robotnik. Robotnik made replicas of humankind for his own pleasure. He got bored, so he made a nemesis. Then for a race, the Tails Doll came back to try and make Robotnik lonely again.
- She was partially skinned.
- This would also explain why she gets captured so often — she's secretly going willingly with Eggman during these "captures". Eggman is having her get close enough to Sonic and friends so that Eggman could use her as a faux bargaining chip against them whenever he wants!
- Sonic will eventually find this out in the future and will either end up killing her in a battle, or will purposefully allow her to kill him.
- Sonic is, of course, Sonic (no need to explain. He's just a bit more childish)
- Sonia is Amy. They're both pink, stereotypical girls, obsessed with romance, and there are many things on the show as well that make you wish that Sonia was NOT Sonic's sister, just to avoid incest. Their personalities are very similar in general.
- Manic is Tails. The great differences between Manic's and Tails's personalities stem from the fact that Manic was raised by thieves. His mother originally intended to give him to someone else, but the thief "adopted" him "accidentally". Essentially, Manic is what Tails would be if his upbringing and background were different, except a hedgehog. However, the two still share similarities, like great mechanic skills, a BFF relationshp with Sonic, and sometimes distrust in their own abilities.
So how did the switch happen? Perhaps Robotnik suffered brain damage before the start of Sonic Adventure and Eggman moved in. Perhaps Eggman has come out as his threat level has declined. Or perhaps the two switch freely, but we never see the other side depending on the game. Eggman, however, is clearly here to stay.
- Snively? Terrifying? You're confusing continuties. Canonical Game Robotnik has always been relatively the same. In fact, the games' Dr. Ivo Robotnik has "Eggman" as his villainous side, while "Robotnik" is what he was before he became the villain and started to fight with Sonic.
- Besides, Robotnik was pretty evil in both Sonic Adventures. Destroying cities, summoning gods, and blowing the moon is not really a "fair play". Not to mention hostage situation.
- Another possibility is that the Robotnik/Eggman relationship is like the Jekyll/Hyde relationship. Eggman is the kind yet childish Emperor Scientist, whose motives can be appreciated. Robotnik is the cantakerous dictator who only wants complete power. The Archie and Sonic the Hedgehog (SatAM) Robotniks are monsters because they lack the Eggman personality.
- SaTAM's Julian Robotnik and Archie's original Robotnik, despite sharing the same design, are very different. SaTAM's was always dark and gloomy (his relationship with Cluck doesn't count!), while Archie's was a mix of Sonic the Hedgehog (SatAM)s and Adventures of Sonic the Hedgehogs, being a sadistic, yet Laughably Evil Card-Carrying Villain. He even worked with Sonic on occasions. Archie's new Robotnik, "The Eggman", is far worse. Aside from destruction he brought on Mobius Prime (including genocide), in his own zone he nuked Mobotropolis and actually killed Sonic and all of Freedom Fighters... So, in the end, it doesn't matter whether the character is frequently called "Eggman" or "Robotnik", both versions can be either monsters or motivated conquerors.
- They might be related to Chao. They simply grow larger and gain more animal-like features than Chao do. There might have been normal animals out there and the Mobians copied their appearance. From that point on, Mobians looked like animals and baby Mobians just copied the animal features from their parents.
- A lot of charecters from Adventures of Sonic the Hedgehog do not fit the mold.
- Whilst I'd definatly agree that the Sonic characters are definitely a case of Call a Smeerp a "Rabbit", I wouldn't think they are the same species, let alone the same race.
- In the comics, there are several instances of "interspecies" romance producing viable offspring. The different "species" being different phenotypes of a single species makes this a whole lot more plausible.
- The comics function on a different planet and different logic to the games.
- If Shadow is Sonic's dad, would that mean Sonic's mom is Maria, and Sonic and Eggman really ARE related after all?
- Even by video game character standards, Maria died a bit young to be a mom.
- No, Tikal is his mom.
- ... Tikal died/ascended centuries before Shadow was created. Also, wouldn't Black Doom's genes have then passed to Sonic, rendering him immune to the Black Arms gas?
- Maybe Tikal's echidna genes overrid the Black Arms ones completly.
- Then why is Knuckles, whose origin may be that his egg did not hatch for centuries, not be immune to them?
- Uhh, Tikal's genes overrid the immunity, not created it.
- That only raises more questions. How the hell did a fourteen-year-old girl successfully become a mother? The anthros are implied to mature at the same rate as humans, and nothing regarding the echidna society suggests that ephebophilia was acceptable.
- The other Echidnas were dead. She was a rebel. Go figure.
- She died five minutes later than the rest.
- And the whole time we're ignoring that Silver is 201 years younger than Sonic. Excellent.
- Another alternative: the Alternate Dimension IS the future.
- Jossed, as Iizuka has confirmed that Blaze is indeed from an alternate dimension, and Silver and Eggman Nega are from the future.
- Another theory — Blaze likes to visit Sonic often, and the future isn't that far off, so the future Blaze is merely an OLDER version of herself from Sol. She makes regular visits to Mobius well into the future. Now, Silver's origin....
- This trooper thinks that the original WM Ger has things the wrong way around. The Blaze we see in Rush is, in fact, what happened to Blaze after she sealed Iblis inside of her - she ended up in the Rush Adventure universe, and when the Time Crash happened from Iblis being retconned out of the original timeline, this caused her to forget about the events, but as she was in another dimension, her powers weren't affected as much as it might had. Then, cue Nega managing to enter her new dimension and stealing the Sol Emeralds, which kicks off the plot of the Rush series.
- Explain how Shadow wasn't paralyzed by the Black Leeches or whatever things at the end if he didn't have Black Arms blood.
- Because Doom didn't want him to be! It was all part of the act, like convincing everyone he actually had a menacing body when in reality he was just a floating eye.
- Also, Shadow is supposed to be the Ultimate Lifeform. That means he can't be killed or permanently weakened by toxins. It was part of the whole "find a cure for NIDs" thing.
- An experiment involving the Chaos Emeralds caused a massive distortion which grabbed the characters and emeralds and whisked them away to the human universe. The residual effects of this distortion are what causes the merging of universes in Sonic Rush and any other game Blaze appears in. This is why all of them except Vanilla are kids. Vanilla could be a random bystander. Alternatively, the experiment could have been done using the Emeralds and the kids which resulted in their various abilities, with Vanilla being the kids' supervisor.
- Jossed in the case of the Chaos Emeralds as of Frontiers.
- Correct me if I'm mistaken, but I can't recall any instance of space survival that wasn't upon a space station (even if it seemed like open space), or in Super form.
- The only ones I can think of are in the Genesis endings in which Sonic/Tails/Knuckles falls to the planet from the exploding death egg. They're not always in super form.
- Silver was also meant to steal Blaze from Sonic and kill her, driving Sonic to suicide.
- And she's colorblind.
- She's a hedgehog. They're naturally pretty much blind, and rely on scent. My ex's hedgehog used to nibble her fingers when eating mealworms because he couldn't smell where the worm stopped and the fingers holding the worm, and therefore smelling like the worm, began.
- Neither Amy nor the anthropomorphic hedgehogs of Sonic's universe are colorblind, given that Amy was able to solve the color block puzzles in Hot Shelter.
- Evidence against — she has yet to get Sonic.
- Sonic is her Kyon.
Behind Egghead's blubbery exterior lies what humanity has dreamed of achieving for many years.
- Sonic commands a Genie of the Ring (Shahra) throughout the game.
- In the ending, Sonic takes Erazor Djinn's magic lamp, and uses it to make three wishes. Erazor Djinn is said to be the genie from the story of Aladdin. See the connection?
- In the very last scene (after the credits after beating the FINAL final boss) we see the front page of a book with the title "Aladdin and the Magic Lamp". As we watch, the title fades out, to be replaced with "Sonic and the Secret Rings". This essentially implies that Sonic has somehow changed Aladdin's story into his own, and essentially replaced Aladdin as the main character — so Sonic effectively has become Aladdin.
- Because who looks at a hedgehog and thinks, 'Ooh, this could be a little more Sonic'?
- What, you never had a long night? Never had long roads; never had a lot of Zones to explore?
- Alternate theory — Eggman is the first Time Lord. He invents a time machine, plays around with the time space continuum, discovers the secrets to the universe, and then clones himself to create the ultimate Eggman Empire. Why do the clones all look different? They regenerate on birth. Why do they have different biology? Well, does Eggman look entirely human to you? How does regeneration work? I'll tell you how, Chaos shards.
Prior to Unleashed, he hit a breakthrough: he discovered the true source of Chaos Energy was held within the planet itself! Which lead to his plan in Sonic Unleashed and our next point...
- This may explain why Sonic Colors had nothing to do with the Chaos Emeralds: he's failed to harness Chaos Energy, and must resort alternative power sources.
- Jossed in the case of the Chaos Emeralds being linked to Dark Gaia as their power source. They aren't even from Sonic's world, so why would they be powered by something that's clearly been entombed in the core since the thing formed?
- It doesn't even have to be down to her medical condition. It's actually quite common for people to continue operating for a good couple of minutes before realising they've been shot.
- I also personally put the two different backstories down to continuity errors in Shadow's head. I can't speak for the games, but in Sonic X we tend to see her memories either in a) normal full colour, or b) sepia toned, and the sepia toned images tend to be far more blunt, dramatic, and/or symbolic. I would suggest that this is because (somehow) Shadow's memories have been manipulated, so there are two versions. His "real" memories are in full colour, and his fake memories in sepia (maybe it was Gerald that did that so as to make sure Shadow would be angered enough to carry out his plan of world destruction — but he didn't factor in his grandaughter's influence). In Shadow's final Heel–Face Turn in Maria's Request, where the dying Maria tells him how he was created to help people, the colour seems to change just a little again — there's a lot of softer, dramatic lighting going on, as if this sequence is the only one Shadow can really count on to be true, regardless of which of his other memories are genuine. I don't know if they use that colour effect in the games, but it WOULD explain the different sets of memories.
- What, fat, megalomaniacal and trying to take over the world?
- Nah, it explains why he is able to constantly survive. On a note, he's bigger than regular humans too. (If you've beaten Sonic CD, there's a part where Eggman outruns Sonic. (It's an explanation for a WMG above)
- Uhh... Amy didn't recognise Sonic as the Werehog until he went out of his way to save her. Before that, she did her regular short-sightedness act, and then apologises and walks off, leaving Sonic somewhat annoyed and depressed that of all people, even she could mistake him for somebody else. (And that first bit probably came off a different WMG. Check first before you post!)
- That's the thing. if you accept the idea that Shadow was based off of Super Sonic
(which is canon BTW)you realize that everyone Amy's gone after is like Sonic somehow. The werehog IS Sonic. And Shadow, even if you were color blind, you could still tell him apart from Sonic. Amy also has Psychic powers. If i'm not making sense, could someone clarify? (as for the WMG above, i was just speculating on why Super Sonic looks so different from Sonic. I have removed it, sorry!)
- That's the thing. if you accept the idea that Shadow was based off of Super Sonic
- "Fanwork" aside, Sonic never seems to be particularly annoyed to see Amy; to me, he seems more frightened than anything. Why would he be frightened to see the girl of his dreams? He sees what could happen if he were to admit his feelings and they were to become a couple. He puts on such a facade, there's a chance even Tails doesn't know. It's a tragedy, really; one person (by which I mean "sentient being") knowing he could sweep her off her feet at any given moment, but is so afraid of one dying on the other that he never does. Isn't it sad?
- Huh. It always seemed more obvious to me that he was simply aware of how a fifteen year old having romantic feelings for a 12 year old girl is so many kinds of awkward by itself. A simpler explanation is that he's just going to wait a few years for her to mature more before taking the relationship to a more serious level.
- Hedgehogs, to put it simply, aren't that bright. A hedgehog has a hard time telling what's a hedgehog, what's a pinecone and what's a plush hedgehog. I once witnessed my ex's hedgehog attempt copulation with his plush hedgehog. Maybe he just prefers their personalities and can't tell they're not his species.
- That can't be. Sonic was able to tell that Blaze is a cat in Sonic Rush.
- It's just white fur around his eyes. This was inspired by looking at this picture mentioned on the YKTTW board and noticing that his face without the blue "eyebrows" hanging down looked a bit like the white part was a mask and the black parts were his eyes. I also thought that Piplup from Pokemon has a similar kind of face, although it's more obvious that the white part on Piplup's face isn't part of its eyeball(s). Either that or that picture is correct, and animals in the Sonic world have two pupils and one big eye that is blocked by what LOOKS like eyebrows to make their faces more expressive.
- What is ironic is that cyclopia is usually caused by a lack of the protein sonic hedgehog...
- Ironic or Fridge Brilliance?
- How can the white part of his eyes be fur if it's clearly textured as glassy sclera in most renders these days?
- Furthermore, the irises move across the white area, which can only be possible if the white area is the sclera of his eyeballs.
- Look what happens at the very end of Unleashed when Dark Gaia goes One-Winged Angel and floods the world with darkness. Eggman's private island paradise is unaffected, as it's the only chunk of the world that's still floating halfway into space. Having finally learned that Evil Is Not a Toy, Eggman expected Dark Gaia to disobey him and go nuts, and only needed to make sure that his Eggmanland was the last area of the world still disconnected before it happened, hence why the robot mooks in Eggmanland take a heck of a lot more punishment to die than anything faced earlier in the game — it's only then that Eggman stops holding back. Not to mention the level itself being harder than anything ever seen before in the series.
- Jossed. According to Word of God, Ian, had he known they were gay, would have let them go on fine.
How did Chaos 0 primarily attack you? Stretchy arms. How did the Werehog primarily attack? Stretchy arms. Not to mention that a lot of the enemies from the night stages resemble Chaos 0. The part with water and Chaos Emeralds is simply exclusive to Chao. So now in the story, Chaos 0 is probably just an average Chao again.
- Sonic, is, of course, a hedgehog clone of Adam Savage. Reckless, a bit nuts, willing to risk himself for the dumbest things, and a love of destruction and getting on Jamie's nerves. Tails, Knuckles and Amy are the Build Team.
Think about it: Shadow is black/red and has chaos powers because he has Black Doom's data. Sonic looks similar to Shadow, is blue, and has chaos powers. Gerald was really into echidna civilization (what with the artifical Chaos, and all), and obviously had hedgehog data samples if he made Shadow. Who's to say Gerald couldn't have made a hedgehog with Chaos' data before finding Black Doom? Plus, Shadow says he thinks Sonic's the Ultimate Lifeform during the Finalhazard battle. Seems to me Sonic is Shadow's prototype. Still doesn't necessarily explain Sonic's speed, though...
- Except that Sonic doesn't have innate Chaos Powers. Without direct access to at least one Emerald, Sonic has only his incredible speed. Shadow is the only entity capable of using Chaos powers without an actual Emerald in his hand, and even he prefers to use one anyway.
- Which leads into this WMG....
- Perhaps it's the same for all characters with Super Drowning Skills.
- He DOES in Sonic Underground, and had to overcome his fear a couple times.
- Both are cultural icons
- Both have pointy ears.
- Both have neat gloves and boots.
- Both have irritating kid sidekicks.
- Both have starred in Lighter and Softer and Darker and Edgier media.
- Both have been known to fight a fat guy with a pointy nose.
- Both have encountered a thief which oozes fetish appeal.
- Both have a TV series that is hilarious in its awfulness and is dominated by scene-chewing villains.
- Both have an animated series that had dark tones, serious storylines and brooding cityscapes.
- Recently, Sonic was made a werewolf. Recently, Batman was made a Frank Miller character.
- Both can (seemingly) breathe IN SPACE!
- He just doesn't have the time to slow down for a relationship, which is why Amy is out of luck. There's a reason his only friends are animals who can almost keep up with him.
- Do you even know what asexuality is? It's a lack of sexual attraction, not having no time for it.
- Explain his icky relationship with Elise. As far as I'm concerned, he's a reverse furry.
- Truth in Television there. Hedgehogs have awful sight, and rely on smell. However, this is the same animal that usually dies when it tries to hibernate. It's not very skilled at existing. Because of that, it often gets confused as to what species is what. There's a Youtube video where a hedgehog is trying to play with its friends, none of whom will play with him. Of course, that's because they're pinecones, although he can't tell. My ex owned a hedgehog, and gave him a hedgehog plushie. He tried to mate with it. Hedgehogs aren't very bright about this stuff.
- Nope, Sonic can accurately recognize Blaze's species in Rush.
- That has literally nothing to do with him being asexual.
- Each time Sonic goes to the Future in Sonic CD, the rest of the universe continues to exist in the Present. On one of these occasions, Dr. Robotnik decides to stay behind and take over the Present. Meanwhile, Miles "Tails" Prower has grown up hearing about the Legend of Sonic the Hedgehog—a mythological hero who has already saved Little Planet in the Past. A similar, modern-day hedgehog has also saved South Island and the Little Planet in the Present... before disappearing mysteriously. Tails learned to spin attack and spin dash by studying these legends. And when Robotnik builds the Death Egg, Tails is the only one in the Present who can stop him. (Because Tails is a fan of the Sonic Legend, he built a mechanical autopilot for his biplane that looks just like Sonic. Notice—when this "Sonic" flies the plane, he stares straight forward and doesn't fidget like Tails would. He is not the real Sonic.) Tails destroys the Death Egg, channels the power of the Super Emeralds and the Super Flickies, and returns the Master Emerald to Angel Island. Robotnik flees to Little Planet in defeat and travels to the Future himself, taking his chances with Sonic again. When Robotnik and Sonic return to the Present, the "Tails Alone" timeline is UNDONE. After all this, maybe Sonic doesn't understand why Robotnik kidnaps Tails and tries to kill him in Sonic 2 (8-bit). But, it all makes sense. Robotnik then rebuilds his machines to fight Sonic and Tails in the new Present, throughout Sonic 2 and S3&K, but this time around he crafts a new Doomsday Battlesuit, just in case.
- How about I simplify this?: After the events of the original Sonic the Hedgehog, Sonic travels to the Little Planet to stop Dr. Robotnik's latest scheme. He chases Robotnik into the Bad Future, and Robotnik warps to the Present and leaves Sonic stranded there (as the Bad Future is assured, for now). Attempting to take over a world without Sonic, Tails steps in, trying to be like his idol he's heard stories about. Thus the "Tails Alone" mode of Sonic 2 happens. When Sonic makes his way back to the Present, the "Tails Alone" mode of Sonic 3 & Knuckles is just finishing up (as it's implied that the trilogy was one continuous story with no gaps). Sonic learns he has to destroy the machines in the Past to free the Bad Future, so when he travels to the Past, it erases everything that just happened while he was gone. Sonic catches up to Robotnik planting the devices to enslave the future, chases him back to the Present, and defeats him. He returns to earth, unaware of the adventures that happened without him. Sonic 2 8-Bit happens next, as Robotnik remembers what happened and captures Tails for revenge (and it still takes place on South Island). Then Sonic 2 (on Westside Island) then Sonic 3 & Knuckles happen normally, only now Robotnik has his battle suit in Doomsday (a level Tails couldn't access).
- This whole theory is now completely jossed due to the fact that Sonic CD offically now takes place between the first two episodes of Sonic 4. Which means, that the Tails Alone modes never happened, which in turn, allows Sonic AND Tails to be side by side during Sonci 2 8-Bit, like they should've been to begin with as evidenced by the level title cards! BRILLIANT!
- SEGA (Ken Balough) actually said that's not what they meant when they said Sonic 4 was a sequel to Sonic CD, so it might still have happened between Sonic 1 and Sonic 2. But anyway, there's a bigger problem now. All of Sonic's time travel shenanigans have suddenly made it so that Tails can be the hero of Sonic CD, with Sonic and Amy both absent! I call alternative dimension for this one.
- I call non-canon mode that is only there for gameplay purposes, ala playable Luigi in Mario Galaxy or Knuckles in Sonic 2,
- SEGA (Ken Balough) actually said that's not what they meant when they said Sonic 4 was a sequel to Sonic CD, so it might still have happened between Sonic 1 and Sonic 2. But anyway, there's a bigger problem now. All of Sonic's time travel shenanigans have suddenly made it so that Tails can be the hero of Sonic CD, with Sonic and Amy both absent! I call alternative dimension for this one.
Tails was then to be a kitsune, a mystical fox of Japanese folklore that grew a tail every hundred years until it reached nine. This explains the gender confusion (one of the cartoons translated Tails to be a girl) and the super intelligence. It also explains the two tails. It's not a birth defect, Tails is a hundred years old!
But being 1992, and the lack of Internet, American audiences didn't know what a kitsune was. Rather than try to explain it, he was transformed into an ordinary fox with two tails.
Yuji Naka said in an interview during Sonic the Hedgehog 2's production, that there was a secret level where you brought all the Emeralds to become Super Sonic. Later on, a level known as Hidden Palace was revealed, and at the end of the level was the Master Emerald!
But the level was Dummied Out however, lost to the cutting room floor. Hackers found the zone still existed (and it even made the cut in the recycled level select images in Sonic the Hedgehog 3), but playing through it revealed a Tails 1Up monitor.
People began to speculate. In the Japanese storyline, Tails saw Sonic land in the Tornado, was fascinated by it, and made some unauthorized modifications. Sonic was impressed and they've been together ever since. In the American storyline, Tails grew up being a fan of Sonic and thrilled at the chance to work alongside him.
But on both counts, he came out of nowhere. Was he a native of Westside Island? What was the deal with the two tails? It would've been less confusing to leave him as a kitsune.
People began to put things together, and speculated that the Tails 1Up monitor represented that Hidden Palace was to be a Tails only level, and that the roadblock at the end of the level that resembled the Master Emerald, really WAS the Master Emerald.
Ben Hurst, the writer of the Sonic Saturday Morning cartoon, had the idea to have Tails discover he had latent powers. This carried over into the Archie comic book series, where Tails was destined to be the Chosen One and do things greater than Sonic or Knuckles.
Could all this Chosen One talk tie back into his past design as a kitsune? Is Tails really as mystical as we think and was the true guardian of the Master Emerald? It makes you think..
- Jossed. According to the devs, the "Master Emerald" was just a breakable block. And the Tails 1up monitor was there due to the devs changing the powerup order (or something like that) in the code without updating the object placement in Hidden Palace.
- And then improved upon it. Portals can only stick to certain surfaces and are of a defined size and shape; Warp Rings can be placed anywhere and how "open" they are can be controlled by the user. That, or the game was really popular in Albion and he decided to replicate/improve it.
- Sonic's first game isn't when he Jumped at the Call to become a hero. Sonic had been running around saving the day almost all of his life, and the original Sonic the Hedgehog is just when Eggman came into prominence. Because of his constant heroic efforts, humans and other animals construct special roads and pathways for him to traverse when he needs to, allowing him easier access to areas without having to run on busy roads used by everyday people, as well as being designed for his entertainment as a sort of sport for his and other fast running characters who might need to stop an evil plan to take over the world(Hence things like loop-de-loops). Springs and platforms are also added to the "Sonic Only Roads" by these people. Its Eggman that intentionally places spikes and other hazards as he is aware Sonic and other heroes use these roads, and can prepare and plan in advance. This explains much of the extreme Benevolent Architecture found in most of the stages. that said, there are exceptions to this theory.
- Ancient ruins are protected as historical monuments, and as such don't have their architecture drastically altered for Sonic's use, explaining why levels such as Labyrinth Zone and Marble Zone are rather slow levels.
- Compare Speed Highway's first segment to its last. The first drastically differs because as it is obviously as "Sonic Only Road", explaining why there are no cars on it aside from Eggman's robots. The final part of the zone looks like, for the most part, a normal part of the city. It also has normal cars on it, indicating that Sonic isn't intended to use this area for his Super Hero antics.
- From Sonic Adventure 2, City Escape looks like a mostly normal City, complete with cars and parks. On the other hand, Radical Highway is drastically different as it is a "Sonic Road" that is still under construction.
I have noticed that Dr. Eggman has a beach area in the Egg Carrier, and a swimming pool room. This implies that Eggman owns a bathing suit. Let that image forever haunt your nightmares/erotic dreams (if you're into that sort of thing).
- I would assume that he would be wearing an old-timey swimsuit, which covers much more and is typically seen on old people in works of fiction.
- This probably goes under Fridge Horror rather than Wild Mass Guessing.
- Think about it: Metal Sonic was taken by Omega and Shadow at the end of Sonic Heroes and wasn't even given a passing mention in the next game starring Shadow; then, he shows up in Sonic Rivals, lacking all his powers and higher intelligence and under Nega's control, and then shows up in the sequel under Robotnik's control, while Nega uses Metal Sonic 3.0. Now, why does Nega call his Metal Sonic a 3.0 when there was never a 2.0? Because the normal looking Metal Sonic from the Sonic Rivals series is a new one, originally built by Nega, stolen and reprogrammed by Robotnik. The original Metal Sonic was taken and put in stasis somewhere by Omega and Shadow who are waiting for the right moment to release him...
- ...under new programming.
- Think about it, the thing produces eggs. Not to mention that female lizards are larger than males, so the Biolizard took that notion up to eleven. You may now proceed to be Squicked out.
- Then consider the fact that in the fight against it as the Final Hazard, the eclipse canon is shoved up 'her' ass and 'she' is doing an awful lot of roaring and flailing...
G.U.N. should have known who Shadow was, and should have been perfectly aware that wasn't Sonic, both for the fact that it's commander knew Shadow (somewhat personally, as shown in the Shadow the Hedgehog game), and that the two hedgehogs don't look much alike.
They did, however, know that Eggman was involved.
Sonic, normally, doesn't jump into things until Eggman makes his move and threatens people/the world. If G.U.N. had not captured Sonic, Sonic probably wouldn't have known anything was up until Eggman blew up half the moon.
G.U.N. captured Sonic early on to get him involved in what was happening. Sonic was able to escape fairly well, and able to rip off some metal to make a makeshift board to get away. The helicopter itself was there to help him get away, in hopes that Sonic would run across Shadow. Or, that Shadow would seek out Sonic, as the news was proclaiming Sonic stole the Chaos Emerald. Shadow would probably want to meet that other hedgehog.
Additional support comes from Prison Island and Rouge. Rouge is an agent for G.U.N., and knew where the Chaos Emeralds were because they told her. They let Eggman get those Emeralds as a gambit that Sonic would be able to stop him still, knowing that Tails, Sonic's closest friend, had the last Emerald.
They figured that both Sonic and Tails would have to work together to deal with Eggman and Shadow, which is why Rouge also happened to have that copy of the newspaper that said Tails received the Emerald as thanks for saving the city (from back in SA1). This was so Tails would be sure to be involved. They couldn't be sure that Tails would show up on Prison Island, after all.
This is why we see no G.U.N. soldiers. They had robots because they were keeping up the ruse of trying to stop and capture Sonic, even though they knew he wasn't responsible. It would keep Sonic involved and determined to find out the truth, and distract Eggman while Rouge found out about Shadow.
After all, Sonic has a long track record of taking down Eggman and evil things he unleashes, and G.U.N. knew they couldn't break through the ARK in time to stop Eggman. They gambled that Sonic would be able to stop Eggman before he attacked the planet.
The reason that they simply don't ask Sonic to intervene is that Sonic is very much his own person. They also wouldn't want someone asking questions, such as who and what Shadow was. By manipulating him, G.U.N. kept Sonic focused on simply stopping the bad guys, and not finding out about who the bad guys really were.
Sonic is, essentially, Chaotic Neutral. He does what he thinks is right, no matter what other people perceive to be the good guys and bad guys. If G.U.N. had come out to Sonic, the hedgehog would have doubtlessly agreed to take on Eggman, but he wouldn't have gone all out on Shadow if he knew that Shadow had been imprisoned for over fifty years. Something like that, complete and utter restriction of freedom, would seem like one of the worst possible fates for a person like Sonic.
G.U.N. couldn't have Sonic worrying about moral quandaries. After all, in SA1, Sonic is concerned with Perfect Chaos. He refuses to simply seal Chaos away, but wants to help and heal the creature. Sonic would have probably attempted to do the same for Shadow. By having Sonic act independent, all Sonic would know is that Shadow is a powerful hedgehog like him, who's helping Eggman and wants to destroy the world. G.U.N. wants Shadow out of the picture. Sonic wouldn't do that, especially if he knew about Shadow's past.
- This totally explains why the Hell GUN didn't interfere by coming up to the ARK at all during Sonic Adventure 2 (unless you count the robots, but if they really cared you'd think they would send actual soldiers like they did later in Shadow the Hedgehog).
- G.U.N. couldn't have admitted it was Shadow stealing the emerald even if they didn't want to frame Sonic. Why? Because they spent fifty years covering up the true nature of what happened on the ARK. Think about it. Gerald's diary said that the ARK was shut down under the premise of a "terrible accident," and when Sonic and his pals first arrive on the ARK, even Tails says the place was shut down because of an accident. This means that G.U.N. spent fifty years denying the existence of Project Shadow. Fast forward to the present day, where Eggman has released Shadow. If they come out and admit Shadow's existence, they have to deal with a whole new can of worms. First off, it would cause a big heaping mess of political trouble, with the president and other world governments demanding a full explanation. And then you have the public outcry. The general public would be appalled to find out the true nature of the "accident" that caused the ARK to be shut down. Especially family members and descendants of the people who were killed on the ARK. And if Sonic had publicly condemned G.U.N. for imprisoning Shadow the way they had, it would make people even more upset. It may even cause people to demand that G.U.N. be shut down, or it would at least cause a bunch of G.U.N. high ranking officials their jobs.
- It's even possible that this WMG only applies to the most senior G.U.N. personnel. Chances are, most of their active work and combat force are simply too young to remember The ARK incident.
Alternatively, if you discount the idea that the room would be bomb-proof (despite that many structures still stand in Shadow the Hedgehog), it could even be a suicide mission to keep the Emeralds from Shadow and Eggman, or it could be a gamble for Rouge to learn more about Shadow's abilities to manipulate time and space (she even alludes to it after the rescue), which was her stated goal.
- Probably canon, retroactively or otherwise. After all, Sonic's shoes were always supposed to have belt-buckles on them, and were made into stripes due to technical issues.
- Jossed-Sonic Generations reveals that Classic Sonic is the younger version of Present Sonic, and that Sonic has the traditional look.
- Jossed. Sonic Forces now features anthropomorphic animal NPCs and you can make a custom animal character of your own.
- This...would explain a lot of the supposed Villain Decay, actually. Just not why he's doing stuff like unleashing the "God of Destruction", the "Ultimate Life-Form", Iblis, and Dark Gaia, the last one done by cracking the world into pieces. Of course, if he really is a little bit crazy/eccentric...
- He probably doesn't realise how destructive his actions are. Being an Manchild, he metaphorically plays with matches, thinking "I've got this under control". Only now does he realise that you don't mess with said matches.
- Alternatively, the same reason gamers use such OP stuff against weak enemies or innocent characters. It's just a game, it'll all be fine.
- This is now canon forever.
- This could go further. Eggman may not have tried to conquer the world until Sonic came along. Why? He needs a foil, a challenge. G.U.N wouldn't "play his game", however Sonic would. Hence his regret when he thought Sonic was dead. Eggman is a big old Manchild, who doesn't realise the extent of his actions. Metal Sonic rebelled because he saw this, and Nega hates the fact his parallel/ancestor is a manchild.
- ...Um, what? He DID try to shoot Sonic many times, and attempted to kill him in SA2. And he states in Generations that he likes to tell others what to do, heavily implying that he's genuinely interested in conquering the world.
- This means that Sonic is technically Shadow's nephew/half-nephew, which also could be considered for Dr Eggman.
- Or alternatively, the Blaze from 06 is the Rush Blaze's decandant.
- I thought that the Blaze from 06 was the same from Rush. See, when Blaze chose to be the vessel for Ibliss, she told Silver to warp her to another dimension. Blaze became guardian of that dimension's Emeralds due to her increased pyrokinesis abilities from Ibliss, but becomes cold and distant because she doesn't want to befriend anybody that could potentially lead to heartache and crying, thus releasing Ibliss once again. Come Sonic Rush, Eggman Negga and his future technology, had found Blaze's dimension and her Emeralds. Eggman Negga is the arch enemy of Silver and Blaze, as evidenced in Sonic Rivals, but since Ibliss had destroyed the future, he wasn't seen. Perhaps his amazing technology allowed him to escape to the same dimension where Blaze ended up so he wouldn't be killed by Ibliss' reign of terror. By the time Blaze had been warped there, Eggman Nega had finalized the plans to steal the Emeralds, which is why Blaze was appointed guardian because they knew Negga was a shifty looking guy.
- Maybe the Rush parallel universe was a Mirror Universe, however Eggman Nega invaded and killed the Sonic and Eggman. Blaze was sent to that dimension to replace Sonic.
- How about, there are two Negas and two Blazes. What you didn't know, is that there's also two Sonics, two Tailses(?), two Amys, etc. They have different versions: Chaos Dimension, the realm where the Chaos Emeralds are held and the majority of the series takes place, and the Sol Dimension, the world where you shipped around the world destroying Robot Pirates. It is accepted that the Chaos Dimension Nega and Blaze reside 200 years into the future of the Chaos Dimension, relative to Sonic. However, in the Sol Dimension, Nega and Blaze fight in the present, relative to Sonic. Going by that measurement, two hundred years into the past, Sonic and his friends roamed the Sol Dimension in all its Industrial Age Steampunk glory. This is backed by the fact that not only does the Sol Dimension have their own versions of zones in the Chaos Dimension, but mainly because the Sol Dimension Chemical Plant has no chemicals, all of it replaced with steam. This steampunk setting is complete with badniks with spectacles and wigs, and a boss that resembles a pendulum/grandfather clock. So in the end, Sonic and Blaze are not counterparts, neither are Eggman and Eggman Nega. Instead, Sonic is Sonic's counterpart, Blaze is Blaze's, and we have a double Negas.
- Jossed. Iizuka confirmed that there is only one Blaze - she is from another dimension. And there is only one Nega - he is Eggman's descendant from Silver's future.
- He's also all those..."fans"...
- This sounds interesting, but I think this theory needs more evidence. I just can't imagine SEGA's writers ever coming up with something as stupid as an apocalypse caused by one person crying, not in the least making an entire game set up around this problem.
- Sadly, this is not WMG. This is canon. When Mephiles killed Sonic, Elise began to cry, and then Solaris was released, followed by Mephiles saying "the seal has been broken". Eggman stated later in the same cutscene that Mephiles had been plotting all along to make Elise cry for that reason. It does sound weird, but considering what Elise's father said when he showed Elise the Iblis flame, it's possible that Elise's father made Elise into the seal when he told her never to cry, making Princess Elise much more important than she seems to be. Also, considering how rushed the game was, it's possible that the writing was rushed as well.
- You know, when people complain about the writing in Sonic games, it's because the games are more westernized than most Japanese games, so you all forget that they're Japanese games. Fiction in Japan, to western audiences, is weird as hell. To us, that sounds like a dumb plot. To them, maybe a bit cliched, but not stupid. They're also far chiller with their weird fetish peoples, which is why you see the Internet here throwing a temper tantrum over an interspecies kiss when both are sentient beings, so it's not really all that major.
- Iblis was sealed inside Elise, and it was her mental and emotional fortitude what kept him imprisoned. So of course her breaking down and crying would loose the seal and release him. Sonic 06's story had plenty of problems and weird or dumb moments, but this wasn't one of them.
Now, if Shadow was on ARK 50 of our years ago relative to Sonic Adventure 2's time placement, then in Mobian years, that's about 4.17 years in their time(rounded up). Placing Sonic at about 11 or so. Which means he would have be alive at the time.
Eggman somehow ended up on Mobius, but we never learn how, just that he's been there for a while, and that Shadow is is a Mobian based hedgehog that existed on Earth in Eggman's childhood (which we know Eggmna was on the ARC at some point, or at least knew about his Grandfather, depending on which continuity we follow, since the Archie comics claim Eggman was very young then, and other sources hint that he had to have been aware of them, given that his age is well over 50 years.).
So, a Mobian on Earth before Sonic and his friends were? One known Human on Mobius before anyone else? About the same time?
I think Eggy must have fooled around with something Gerald was working on, and somehow got himself and Shadow swapped, and no one just seemed to care much to get him back.
- ...What Mobius?
- I don't think they can. Mario games take place on an alternate Earth. However, Warp pipes can lead anywhere, including other dimensions, other planets, anywhere except through time. So, we could say that the Mario Bros grew up on the Earth Sonic and co. live on, which would explain why no one is surprised by the Koopas when they are on Earth.
- I also want to present my own here... The Chaos Heart is related to the Chaos Emeralds.
- In addition to the just previous: Luigi's Negative Zone is a form of Chaos Control.
- I read that thinking you meant the superhero Iron Man, until I clicked the link and saw Black Sabbath. It does make sense in context!
- Sega Sonic Arcade. feat. Sonic Ray the Flying Squirrel and... Mighty the Armadillo.
- That game came out before Knuckles Chaotix.
- Knuckles Chaotix was originally to be a game of second string characters from past mediums (Vector from Sonic's Jam Band idea for the original game's Sound Test, Charmy from the manga in 1992, and Mighty from the arcade title), with Espio as the new character and star of the show. Soon it was decided that Knuckles' star power would help sell more copies, but the character select menus keep Espio's name on top despite Knuckles getting top billing. Rumor has it Mighty's creator bailed and took the rights with him.
- Well, she was playable in several multiplayer modes for various games.....
- I.e she will be playable in single player, and perhaps tag alonside sonic much like Tails did in Sonic 2 and 3, Because Tails gave hints much like Tikal, Omochao, Chip, etc, did. Since Tikal is the most popular out of those I mentioned, being an Ensemble Dark Horse (Being treated like a reccurer despite apearing in 5 games and an arc of Sonic X, only 2 in major roles, and having almost no merchandise) within the series, and much like Tails, so why not?
- If the theory about her being Sonic's mom is true... Aww.
- So, this means... Tikal Abuse vids all over?
- Only if she's in the special stages.
- Why only in special stages?
- I meant only if she's in the special stages. Tails hate stems from him being more of a hinderance than a help in the Sonic 2 Special Stages.
- Going with the ther'e all robots theory, i propose that Robotnik is a robot too. as for where he comes from, he could have been made by Buy-N-Large or Cybertronain in origin, or pehaps Gerald made him.
- If he is Cybertronian, his current SA form is beast mode. his robot mode is closer to the Sonic the Hedgehog (SatAM) version.
- obviously, he had to have had something to do recently. most likely knuckles told him about.
- Doesn't really fit alongside the other characters there. I would guess Guybrush or Wallace or Gromit or possibly Bone.
- Tycho and Heavy's games werent Telltale.
- Well shit. Considering the fact that the player does not talk....maybe Gordon Freeman?
- Doesn't really fit alongside the other characters there. I would guess Guybrush or Wallace or Gromit or possibly Bone.
- Explain.
- He hangs out with two prepubesent girls a lot.
- I think he's too stupid to be a pedophile.
- He hangs out with two prepubesent girls a lot.
- A future game will have a villain who gets all seven Chaos Emeralds and go Super. No one will know what to do, then Knuckles will show up, punch out the Emeralds, and save the day.
- I approve wholeheartedly. It'd definitely be a nice change of pace from all of the flanderization and demotion he's been subject to post-Heroes. Not to mention a CMOA and CMOF.
- Totally. Sega needs to stop treating Knuckles like a joke character.
- Somewhat confirmed in Sonic Mania Adventures' final episode, in which a similar scenario happened: Sonic, Tails, Mighty and Ray take on Metal Sonic, who is powered up by the Chaos Emeralds. After a tough battle, the heroes manage to separate the Emeralds from Metal Sonic, only for Eggman to reveal that he had Master Emerald in reserve. As Metal Sonic begins powering up again and the situation seems pretty dire, Knuckles barges in and saves the day by punching him into the distance.
- I approve wholeheartedly. It'd definitely be a nice change of pace from all of the flanderization and demotion he's been subject to post-Heroes. Not to mention a CMOA and CMOF.
- In Sonic 2 he runs around wreaking havoc in casinos and oil refineries and S3K expands this to hydroelectric dams, carnivals and a new possible revolutionary form of energy (that's mobile no less) called the Flying Battery.
- Considering the lack of not-robots, I would guess most of the places not already built by Robotnik must have either had all living things there killed and/or the people had escaped the level by the time Sonic gets there. Of course, this would very likely not have mattered very much to Sonic.
- Also, the Flying Battery just means its an electric blimp.
- The word "battery" has many meanings. It may have been meant in the sense of an artillery battery, making it a giant flying war machine typical of Eggman's schemes.
- And not just because of the giant flaming chunks of metal raining down on the planet from orbit. The Death Egg is gigantic, too big for one man to need, plus lit windows and such are clearly seen. On board the Death Egg are scientists and researchers working with Robotnik, coming up with new badnicks and helping build them, working on miscellaneous projects and such. Now along comes a supersonic blue hedgehog running around either in the bosses room or the maintenance areas trying to blow it up. And he succeeds. Who's the real bad guy?
- Doubtful. Eggbotnik has enough brains on hand to do it on his own, and if he did need somebody else to do thinking for him, he would probably just build robots to do the thinking.
- Depends on how high in orbit the Death Egg was. If anything he could've created an asteroid belt of debris that could mess with the planet's gravitational pull.
- Or he did it on purpose.
- Eggman Nega has already replaced the Eggman of Blaze's universe. Word of God confirms that Eggman Nega is from the future, but that still doesn't explain why he's in Blaze's reality. In truth, he killed Blaze's Eggman(who was probably an Evil Sorcerer) and decided to conquer it instead.
- Needs more Weird Time Shit in order to work.
- By that logic, Knuckles and Gawain as well as Shadow and Lancelot would be brothers. Which doesn't make sense in the slightest considering they're the Arthurian counterparts of Sonic's friends.
- Maybe he felt guilt after helping Eggman Mordred kill Sir Lamorak?
- No, out of boredom.
- Marine built a robot? She can barely build a functioning boat.
- Or maybe he was made by the Fourth Great Civilization.
- ....Evidence?
- Simple. Her giant crush on Blaze.
- It's moreso being a fangirl around her. Not to mention that she's just 7 years old.
- Simple. Her giant crush on Blaze.
- Or maybe, they are family.
- Or maybe Rush!Blaze's counterpart in Sonic's world is an ancestor of 2006!Blaze who looks different, the Blaze appearance coming to light in a later generation.
- Or maybe, they are family.
- Official art has shown time and time again that Tails and Amy have no toes either. And for why...
- "Knuckles the last of his kind when there are other echinas blatantly in view" < Um, what echidnas? Are you talking about non-canon material like Archie or Sonic Chronicles?
- Fiona and Cosmo? I'm no expert on Sonic X, but didn't Cosmo kind of die?
- ....But he lives in a swamp/rainforest. Why would he wear blue socks in that evironment?
- They were once white, but turned blue because of the dirt.
- Doesn't answer the question. Why is he wearing socks in a place that primarily consists of swampland?
- To stand out. He likes the feel of soggy socks.
- Because he's Big.
- In most swampy areas, the grass grows really big, and there are tons of bugs. He probably doesn't want his feet to be super-itchy when he finishes up, since in sandals like those his feet would not only get wet, but also easily blistered, and he has less protection from ticks too.
- I think I know where you got this idea from...
- In the DS version, I presume.
- Jossed. The emeralds don't even figure that much into the plot (and in the Wii version, not at all).
- Even then, the Chaos Emeralds are only used for an optional boss fight against the Nega-Mother Wisp which has no relation to Blaze at all.
- Jossed. The emeralds don't even figure that much into the plot (and in the Wii version, not at all).
Come Sonic Heroes, and we see that Metal Sonic absorbs Chaos' power to become the Metal Overlord. If we take the previous paragraph into consideration, this was Metal's way of compensating for his power being leeched. Chaos had more than enough power to spare from two creatures merely connected to it, meaning if Chaos were there for real, things would have been a LOT worse off.
In short, Tails Doll steals Metal Sonic's power by taking his theme, and Metal Sonic steals Chaos' power to compensate. Any questions?
- Sonic is Aladdin. Amy and Rouge could still be those characters though.
i.e. She killed Tikal, Sinbad, and Sir Gawain.
- Er....she was kind of too busy being stuck in the Twilight Cage to be in story books or in the world of the Master Emerald.
- She did that when she got out.
- Jossed. Sonic Chronicles is no longer canon as proven by the Sonic the Hedgehog Encyclo-speed-ia.
- She did that when she got out.
Every universe and variation of Eggman (asides from the odd Mirror Universe) has this.In some universes such as Sonic the Hedgehog (SatAM) and Archie, the evil side is in total control. In others, the affable side is in total control(like Sonic X). Faux Affably Evil Robotniks like Adventures and Eggman Nega is due to a reverse of the game Eggman. As for the Bad Future we saw in Sonic CD? That's what happens if Eggman's good side loses
- You're confusing continuities. In Games, Ivo is Robotnik's only first name, Julian is SatAM/Archie only. And if we are speaking about Dr. Ivo "Eggman" Robotnik, the personality conflict should be reversed. Ivo Robotnik was the good doctor, who became Eggman after the start of villainous career. Cue egg-obsession, childish character, uncontrollable anger, desire to conquer the planet etc.
- He's dead now, of old age.
- He's not even Eggman's sidekick...
- Not if you count Sonic Superstars where he is The Dragon to Eggman in that game before becoming the main antagonist of Trip's story.
- He's not even Eggman's sidekick...
- ...She's a bit crazy, but she's not Cute and Psycho ....
- Expecting a counter? Too bad! VECTOR TIME!
- Jossed in Cream's case; she is a vital part of the narrative of Sonic Dream Team (which is a mainline game) and a full-on playable character.
- Jossed as of Mania Plus because it's canon and features Mighty in Encore Mode.
Proof?: During the big race in Sonic CD between Metal and Sonic, Metal had to overload his circuits to achieve a greater speed than Sonic momentarily. This is done multiple times.
Over the years, his behavior have become more unpredictable and erratic. He has participated in racing events (Sonic R, Drift 2, Sega All Stars Racing), has been seen in Olympic sports (even figure skating), watching tennis matches (Superstars Tennis), reenacting Sonic's adventures (unlockable skin in Sonic Adventure), imprisoning his creator and taking his identity, blowing himself up to fuse with extra parts, ripping himself open to retrieve Chaos Emeralds, hiding inside of and taking control of other robots, mutating himself, showing signs of mental confusion, celebrating victory over Sonic by giving away Sonic's clothes and skateboard, and stealing lifeform data.
Metal is breaking down over the years, and will cease being functional in the near future. Neither him nor Eggman are aware of this.
- That would be pretty impressive, but it's more likely Knuckles simply recognized that Mephiles had a different voice to Shadow. Amy never gave Shadow a chance to speak before she glomped him, or she would have noticed he didn't have Sonic's voice. Also mannerisms, as Mephiles walked and moved differently to how Shadow would. So the point could be that echidnas are the most observant of all the species on the planet, and don't necessarily have the best eyesight.
Tying in with the above, in the Tails Story universe, Sonic challenged him to a race to every Chaos Emerald/Capsule in the game, and Tails can't turn him down. (Whereas, in the Sonic Story universe, he's content just to try to be where Sonic is.) Second, he's emotionally fragile and can't stand to lose, even to his best friend. Finally, he's subconsciously dangerously medium aware. As a consequence, whenever Tails finds that Sonic has reached the goal before him, he commits suicide, unwittingly trusting in the extra lives he probably has until he completes the level first. It's the only way I can think of to reconcile why it would make a difference whether he or Sonic gets to the goal first: He's not willing to live with a loss.
- Blaze has fire-based powers.
- She is a cat.
- Or alternatively, Thysis did not create humans or non-anthros, (insert actual god here) did.
At the end of Sonic Adventure 2, everyone finds out from the diaries that Maria's death sent Professor Gerald off the deep end. Gerald was probably the closest thing that Shadow had (or knew of, at the time) to a father figure, so seeing the results of his 'daddy' going insane on top of the loss of his childhood friend was probably too much. The reason he shows up with amnesia in the Sonic Heroes and Shadow the Hedgehog games is because his brain deliberately made him forget everything to preserve his sanity. As the events of those games progressed, his memories gradually returned at a rate slow enough that he could handle it a little at a time. So it's only in more recent games that we have been able to see what Shadow's personality is like when he's not grieving or an amnesiac.
If Shadow was able to exploit his Chaos Control to the fullest potential, he could use gravity itself to be the most powerful character in the series. He could create a gravity field around enemies and completely dominate them. An enemy that can't lift its own weight is just a sitting duck, waiting to be killed. A gravity field around himself could cause his attacks to land with the force of something weighing several tons. Or he could do the opposite, and lessen the effects of gravity on his own body, allowing him to hover or levitate. At the most extreme, he could eliminate gravity completely, causing objects (or people) to fly to pieces because their molecules are no longer gravitationally bound to each other. On the opposite extreme end, he could concentrate gravity to the point that it forms a black hole.
How much of this is actually possible remains to be seen.
Sonic
- Hedgehog (Archie)
- Needlemouse
- Parolouzer
Vector
- Chaotix
Cream/Vanilla
- Yamamoto
- Totally makes sense though, like how the good sultan in the Arabian Knights game was that universes Eggman.
- Not canon.
- Dafuq?
- Silver is Big and the Iblis or Ifrit is Froggy.
- As Iizuka confirmed Nega is from the future (and thus not Eggman's counterpart), this means Eggman's real counterpart is unknown. Maybe a lean, clean-shaven guy with messy hair and Nerd Glasses?
However, upon his return to the past, Past Eggman knows that he will go through all these schemes which he knows will fail, as there's no reason to endure the scheme in Generations otherwise. But since he also knows all his schemes up to that point, and knows they're innevitable losses, he puts no effort into them, knowing full well that for the time loop to occur he has to fail all those times. So he's giving it minimum effort, just enough to convince Sonic that he's a threat, and rather than actively trying to kill Sonic, he just goes about enjoying the fun of the fight, rather than seriously fighting, hence why Sonic wins so often. Sonic has literally had it easy, because Eggman knows he cannot win for the timeline to work until he's done with the Time Eater in Generations.
- Which means Eggman will be a far bigger threat than before after Generations, since he no longer has to hold back.
- Confirmed: Iizuka clarified he was from Silver's future. Nothing was said about how or why he went to the Sol Dimension however.
- Team Sonic counterparts
- Blaze and Marine are already alternates of Sonic and Tails. Marine is Tails before becoming matured, meaning she's going to get better in a few years. Sonic and Blaze contrast with the latter having responsibility and being mature for her age.
- If Knuckles has an alternate, its the only other mammal that lays eggs-the platypus. He lived on an underwater version of Angel Island, and is a hero revered by Blaze's family. Blaze's family inherited the Jewelled Sceptre, which is probably the Sol version of the Master Emerald. His name is Bill(as in duckbill).
- Team Eggman counterparts
- Eggman Nega is disguised as the actual Sol counterpart of Eggman. Instead of being a Mad Scientist, he's an Evil Sorcerer who's part of the rival family to Blaze's. This war started with the Sol version of Gerald Robotnik. The original Sol version of Eggman is either dead, or is hiding as the "Doctor Nega" of Archie Sonic.
- Johnny and Captain Whisker are the Sol counterparts of Metal Sonic and the E-Series respectively, with Mini and Mim being Badniks. While Eggman's robots are generally serious, Nega's robots are generally comedic.
- Team Rose counterparts
- Amy's counterpart is an older, red cat who's a Hopeless Suitor but generally sane, instead of Amy's Stalker with a Crush with some hints of crazy. He uses swift swords instead of Amy's blunt hammer. His name is Sir Rufus(he's red), also known as Rufus Thorn(every rose has its thorn).
- Big's counterpart is a koala guard of Blaze. Like Big, he's dumb and in the power class. Unlike Big who's a Big-Lipped Alligator Moment, he plays a major part in Blaze's life. His name is also Big.
- Team Dark counterparts
- While Shadow is a villain turned Anti-Hero, his Sol counterpart is a hero turned Anti-Villain. Instead of being Dark Is Not Evil, she is Light Is Not Good. She was created as a weapon instead of being used to heal people, but tried to use this for good. She has a My Master, Right or Wrong mentality about her version of the Eggman Empire. Her name is Flare(as in "light flare" or another reference to fire).
- Rouge has a male counterpart in an assassin wolf who plays the part of Heroic Comedic Sociopath. He is the Mr. Fanservice to Rouge's Ms. Fanservice. He's either a Mad Bomber or prefers using guns
- E-123 Omega has an alternate in a golem who was made to serve Flare, instead of Omega preventing Shadow from escaping. While Omega is violent, his Sol counterpart is the Only Sane Man. His name is simply Omega
- Monsters of the Week
- Chaos has a fire elemental, obviously called Sol. While Chaos is crazy, Sol is evil. Though they both have a reason to be the bad guy-the Chao of the Sol Dimension were killed either by the above mentioned Bill the Platypus or Blaze's ancestors.
- The Biolizard is the Biosalamander in the Sol Dimension
- While Black Doom is an invader from beyond the stars, his Sol counterpart is an invader from below them. He's much subtler than Black Doom, but just as horrifying.
- The Mephiles and Iblis' Sol counterparts are the split aspects of the god of space instead of time. The trio are known as Celestia (no relation to the other Celestia), Mephisto (no relationship to the other Mephisto) and Shaitan. Since this is a Bizarro Universe, Blaze The Cat 2006 was a great game.
- Instead of Black Gaia being the destroyer, its Light Terra.
- Cream and Cheese never seem to intentionally separate meaning that sonic advance 2 takes place after sonic adventure
2. Cheese is incredibly powerful
- Cream is able to use Cheese like a weapon in almost every game she's playable in, He obliterates everything
3. Chaos is implied to originally be a Chao
4. Chao's can reincarnate when they die happily
- It seems that when Chaos died he was at the very least satisfied
5. Cheese never seems to age
- As he is around Cream at nearly all times he should be aging rapidly
6. Using an obscure method involving reincarnating twice Chao can, in fact, become immortal
- These particular Chao are called CHAOS Chao
Chip used to be an ordinary chihuahua dog. However, Light Gaia did the same thing that Dark Gaia did to the phoenix. Ultimately, Chip really did die in the battle against Dark Gaia, but not Light Gaia. In reality, Light Gaia is an Eldritch Abomination just as bad as Dark Gaia.
- The Gaia Colossus is Light Gaia's body. The world being broken apart prematurely split it apart, and Light Gaia used the Chip body to fix it.
The progressive commercial shows Flo as a cartoon character through Sonic's eyes.
- Dark Gaia becoming complete after taking the part of him inside Sonic makes it pretty clear Sonic has no more influence from him. And little mention of Iblis is made after '06, let alone on him being in Blaze. And NOTHING, NOWHERE suggests Blaze has the Ifrit in her.
- If you take the idea that Dark and Light Gaia are the sources of Chaos Energy, Sonic has Dark Gaia in him whenever he accesses the negative side of the Chaos Emeralds.
- Unlikely, since Lola and the Road Runner are not even hedgehogs. And this theory seems impossible from the start since this involves characters from a completely seperate company.
- His Sonic the Hedgehog (SatAM) counterpart is more demonic-looking because the humans of that universe are far more antagonistic. His Adventures counterpart looks silly because no-one can tell what a human is. He's fat because it refers to our Extreme Omnivore tendencies, and the Acrofatic aspect embodies how we're extremely dangerous despite being physically average. Notice how Eggman screws with forces he can't control? We're like that, except we CAN control them.
- How would that be possible? It originated from Chaotic Inferno Zone, and only eats Chao.
Another reason for this theory existing is that if Sonic and his friends were 200 years into the past, then that would mean Steampunk Metal Sonic, and tell me that idea doesn't sound bitchin'.
The biggest reason Sonic doesn't ever talk about his history or origins is because deep down, he is ashamed of himself for actually trusting Eggman for his formative years, and almost helping him take over the world if it weren't for the fact that he still had free will even after all of his... well, experiences. He's also worried that others learning about where he came from would cause them to distrust him or assume that he was The Mole this whole time.
Lindsey cheated on her husband, Nelson, with Eggman years before the events of Sonic X, and before she became famous. The affair eventually led to her conceiving Chris. Shortly after telling Eggman she was pregnant, she never saw him again, until the mass Chaos Control incident transported him and Sonic to Earth, at the beginning of the series.
Eggman actually did know how and has traveled between Earth and Mobius, before the series started, whether it was by a form of space travel or teleportation. He just did it in absolute secrecy, so nobody, not even his own robots, would be aware of it. He was planning on first conquering Sonic's planet. Then conquer Earth, next, when he had a world wide army and empire in his hands. The times he acts surprised about being born on Earth, or making claims that he's never been there before, is an act he's putting up. Eggman was lying the whole time, on-camera. He did not want anybody, organic or robot, knowing about it at all, until he could make his next move. He also didn't want to get dragged on Maury for a paternity test, while on Earth, if he was aware that Chris was his son. The reason Eggman couldn't easily go back to Mobius as he's done in the past, was due to Earth and Mobius becoming one, at the time.
As for Lindsey not saying anything; Eggman most likely looked different, at the time she hopped in bed with him years ago, and probably didn't immediately recognize him away years later. She also didn't want Nelson finding out that she cheated on him, and that Chris really wasn't his son. She really didn't want Chris to find out about Eggman being his biological father, the most! Not to mention how fast the media and tabloids would be all over the scandal. So she kept her lips completely sealed.
Chris resembles Eggman more, compared to his assumed father, Nelson Thordndyke. So the possibility of him and Eggman being related to each other is not that farfetched.
Chris' physical resemblance to Eggman was already mentioned above. He has the same exact hair color as Eggman(if his mustache is anything to go by, when he still/if had hair), same eye color(according to Sega and the 2006 model, Eggman's eyes are blue), and like Eggman, he ends up having a knack for inventing all sorts of certain gadgets when he grows up. There was also how he reminded Shadow of Maria.
It could be very possible that either the parents of Eggman, or the parents of Maria, ended up fathering/mothering a second child, but had to give it up for whatever reason. Or one of the fathers cheated on their wives, and ended up getting another women pregnant with his child, who would go and someday father/mother Lindsey and Sam. Gerald himself could have even fathered a third, but illegitimate, child, with another women, and wasn't aware of it. This third illegitimate child would then grow up and conceive the mother/father of Lindsey and Sam.
- The info cards that pop up between scenes in the Japanese version have an interesting discrepancy. If you look at the age/DOB for Chris's father, and grandfather, there are only twelve years between them. It's highly unlikely that Chuck became a father when he was twelve years old, which brings up the possibility of adoption...
- Unlikely, since the events of Sonic 06 never happened due to Elise putting out Solaris' flame. (Ifrit could very well be related to Iblis) And Sonic was surprised to see Blaze again during Rush Adventure.
- ...Time travel doesn't work like that. Just because Sonic 06's story was removed from continuity via time travel, that doesn't make the game literally non-canon any more than the first portion of the first Back to the Future film. Please explain how erasing Solaris from existence would alter Eggman's eyes. Plus Sonic Advance says hi.
- That was more so sprite limitations and done for comedic effect and not his actual eyes.
- Jossed. Eggman has normal white eyes.◊
- Jossed again. He actually has white eyes with blue pupils, as seen in Sonic the Hedgehog (2006).
Evidence:
- Realistic bats show up in Sonic Adventure 2
- She has no fur except on her head, as well as a much more humanoid structure.
- following this theory Sonic and company could all be mutants
- Bonus points if Silver knows there are statues of himself in the future, created to honor him if he saved the world with Sonic and Shadow in Sonic's present time.
Sonic clearly has no 'roots' in the game universe except for brief hints at it in the manuals; he doesn't have a visible job or place of residence because he enjoys the freedom and thrill of being on the move. He also enjoys adventure and doing good and as such he needs an excuse for all this, and who better than Dr Ivo 'Eggman' Robotnik? He provides a spice and a purpose to Sonic's life and because Sonic knows that Robotnik is only affably evil and that his inability to learn from his mistakes means that Sonic and his friends will always be able to beat him. Of course Robotnik will occasionally step up his game and cause more serious destruction (like cracking apart the entire planet) but Sonic's attitude and youthful naivety overlooks this and certainly so far he hasn't failed to stop Robotnik yet so why should he bother to make certain that Robotnik cannot cause harm again despite having many opportunities to do so? Conversely when more serious threats appear such as Dark Gaia Sonic is far less lenient in dealing with them.
- This theory is far more apparent in Adventures Of Sonic The Hedgehog where Robotnik is nothing more than a Punch-Clock Villain whom Sonic could have easily have had imprisoned many times.
- Alternatively, he's realized that, no matter what he does, the day will be saved. Or there's tons of turrets and stuff. Or, since we really haven't seen it much, Chaos took his old job back.
- We don't know anything about Sonic's family in game continuity(or any major character but Eggman, oddly enough). Its possible that his speed is inherited, and his family had names relevant to speed as well.
- Maybe I'm mistaken, but wasn't his real name in the Archie comics revealed to be Sonny? At least, I remember his grandfather calling him that, but it could also be a pet name and not his actual name.
- This fits with the WMG that he's related to Jamie from Mythbusters.
- Tails seems was adopted as well. His biological parents were freaked out due his mutation and abandoned him. Then he was found by human family Prower, adopted and named Miles.
1. Seek out situations where it seems practical to perform a technique you have learned, favoring the more powerful over the less.2. Proceed to do what seems practical, regardless of whether the search in the above step succeeded.3. If someone with whom you have formed a "link" is issuing you an instruction, regard it as practical to obey.4. If you observe a technique, learn it.5. If you have just learned a technique more powerful than any you have ever seen, form a "link" with whoever taught it to you.6. Jump back to line 1.
Now, what's the problem here? The problem is that Emerl's behavior is all about power. He doesn't prefer certain kinds of power over other kinds; he just obeys and emulates raw power, in any form he can find it. I think the failsafe Gerald programmed in must have been a certain "line 0," declaring an upper cap to Emerl's understanding of power, as follows:
0. Always remember that there is no power greater than the power to "bring hope to humanity."
This would effectively invoke a new thread to be executed in parallel with the six steps that were to follow. The alternative thread would go like this:
1. Seek to learn how to "bring hope to humanity."2. For all techniques learned via the previous step, bypass normal power-assigning functions and instead blindly regard the aforementioned techniques as being of the greatest power of which you can conceive.3. If you are reminded to "bring hope to humanity," wipe all memory and reboot (this to prevent thread-related bugs).4. Jump back to line 1.
This could explain what happened when Eggman showed Emerl the power to destroy an entire planet: Emerl discovered a power so powerful that he could not conceive of any greater power. Through Gerald's injected thread, he had already discovered such a power: the power to "bring hope to humanity." Since he regarded them as equally powerful, he attempted to manifest both techniques at the same time: the technique of bringing hope to humanity, and the technique of destroying humanity. This would explain his highly erratic behavior as trying to carry out two opposing directives at once, and his pre-mortem speech as reverting to the directive of bringing hope to humanity after he was no longer able to destroy it. As for his self-destruction sequence, it was probably because of hardware damage.
Somewhere along the line, Sonic ended up having a child with Blaze. Due to Blaze's royal genetics/reincarnation, their great great granddaughter ends up looking exactly like Blaze, and having the same abilities, and is named after her great great grandmother because of this.
And if you still subscribe to the theory that 06 took place before Rush, and Blaze was sealed in the Sol Dimension at the end of Silver's story, then it's simple; Blaze is her own great great grandma.
- An ability to observe his environment in detail while sprinting past it.
- Intuitive understanding of his relation to objects in terms of 3D space, while sprinting past it.
- An ability to appropriately react to obstacles while moving at this speed, which further entails...
- Crazygood motor skills.
- Split-second decision making.
I raise this largely because there seems to be no other explanation, Knuckles too just seems to be just be strong because he trained that way, Tails can fly with his Tails because he learned how.
There's a slight hole in this in that Sonic is very rarely shown panting,suggesting it does not cause exertion, but this could be an oversight, Sega don't seem to direct whether or not he should be, and if the animator decides he's panting then he is. [In the 06 opening his mouth is definitely open when he runs.]
- If my hypothesis is correct, this could have some interesting implications for Sonic having Logical Weakness: He would essentially be a humming bird, on the constant brink of starvation, he would be prone to blood sugar crashes, muscle wastage and other fun stuff. It could also suggest his love of running is habit-formed, having become a part of his biology over the years, deprivation would cause a form of withdrawal. That isn't likely something Sega would ever experiment with tough.
Like all sexually reproducing organisms, Sonic characters inherit one allele from each parent for every gene, including the "species"-determining one. Which of those two genes overrides the other and becomes responsible for each individual's physical characteristics is determined by a hierarchy of gene dominance. note The reason that H, the "hedgehog" allele, is capitalized is because it's at the top of the hierarchy - in other words, any Sonic character with a hedgehog as a parent will be a hedgehog. This explains why there seem to be more hedgehog anthros than foxes, bats, crocodiles, etc. Humans only vastly outnumber the other "species" because their culture has a taboo against romantic relationships with anthros, and as a result their gene pool is mostly isolated.
Now let's talk about Amy. Ever wondered why she has a human-sounding first name, uses a human surname instead of calling herself "Amy the Hedgehog", and has her head-quills styled in a human-like haircut? My guess is that one of her parents was a hedgehog, and the other was a human with the last name Rose. Her "species" genotype was Hh, so she developed as a hedgehog. Something went wrong in her family, however, and she wound up being raised solely by her human parent in human society. This might also explain why she's slower than a lot of the anthros - humans can't run fast, so they wouldn't have been able to teach her how to harness her natural speed when she was young as effectively as another anthro would have.
If we assume that this system applies to alien DNA as well note , we can also use it to explain why Shadow looks like a hedgehog and not a hedgehog-Black Arms hybrid. The b ("Black Arms") allele inherited from Black Doom was overridden by the H from the hedgehog who donated the rest of Shadow's DNA, and Black Doom's genes were only expressed in subtle ways instead of having a major impact on Shadow's appearance.
As an optional add-on to this theory, Chao are also part of the main Sonic-character species, but their c ("Chao") allele is at the very bottom of the dominance hierarchy and doesn't activate any of the gene sets that cause an individual to develop into a specific "species". These genes can be expressed to a small degree after the Chao's birth via physical exposure to someone who already has them expressed, however, hence the Chao in the Sonic Adventure games absorbing traits from whoever interacts with them in the Chao garden.
- All the named characters were said to be based on actual characters from the Arabian Nigh. Ali Baba, Sinbad and King Shahryar make appearances. Sonic is hinted to be Aladdin, while Erazor Djinn is hinted to be Aladdin's genie. What about Shahra? For starters, the fact that King Shahryar exists in the Arabian Nights implies that Scheherazade does as well. Plus, Scheherazade is the one telling the stories, which means she knows everything about the Arabian Nights (she creates them so King Shahryar will keep her alive). As a result, she's as much a Reality Warper as any genie, which explains why she became a genie here. Also, "Shahra" sounds an awful lot like the first few syllables of "Scheherazade", don't you think?
He's blue and is famous for his speed. We never see him outside of his "ball of light form", but his true form looks like Sonic.
After finally saying yes to a date with Amy near the end of Unleashed, Sonic decided to give being Amy's boyfriend a shot. As Black Knight shows, they had fights for one reason or another. Somewhere after Sonic's birthday party, they decided to break up, but remain good friends. However, while Sonic may or may not be over it, Amy clearly isn't. Her interrupted confession in Lost World wasn't that she loved Sonic, he's heard that before. It was that she still loves him and hopes that they could one day be a couple again.
Eggman loves chao, but not out of pureness. Look, he has a chao garden in his Egg Carrier and even a room full of chao (that might be a garden itself) in his mansion (as seen in Shadow The Hedgehog). He has the option in SA2 to take a break from his plans and raise chao in the garden. He even took the time out of his life to make a mech for a Dark Chao so it could it fight! However, the mech he made clues us in that this simple enjoyment of chao may not be as simple as it looks. He clearly wants to utilize chao for an evil purpose. Perhaps to power or even pilot some of his robots! Or to utilize Chaos's power still left over. Perhaps he is trying to create a Chaos Chao, a chao immortal and sttrong in every way.. and perhaps it could be worthwhile to look into how they absorb animals and chaos drives for his own creations? He has a habit of stealing chao, such as Cheese multiple times, in Sonic Unleashed, SA2's mission 3s, and Sonic Generations.
Pinpointing an estimate as to where exactly this started off, a likely time this would start would be around the events of Sonic Unleashed, in part due to his Werehog form and the fact that his arrogance bit him in the ass in the opening - in one cutscene, he even becomes down at the fact that Amy doesn't recognise him in his Werehog form, and though it's not exactly explicitly seen from him since then, it's still lingered around in him. However, because of his friends and his adventures, for the most part, he could forget his depression and possible insecurity problems and could enjoy being himself, not having to worry about it cropping back up again. Then Sonic Lost World and Sonic Frontiers happened.
- I think what Sonic meant by this is that it would be better for a world to end naturally than to be never-ending (the flower Sonic presents to Merlina could perhaps serve as a clue to this). And what do all four of those games mentioned have in common? The world would have ended by force (either through an Earth-Shattering Kaboom or an Apocalypse How as part of an Evil Plan) as opposed to ending naturally. That is what Sonic opposes, not necessarily the idea of the world ending at all.
- Yeah, Rouge, she's sexy and smooth!
A double cross spot-thief, that's out for my jewels,
I'm feelin' her in mysterious ways.
That's why I stay on point like every single day,
- Yo what happened, my Emeralds' gone!
Somebody gonna get theirs quick, my word is bond,
Who could'a did this, that snitch named Rouge!
When I catch her, I'ma get her with these tools,
There you are, come here little thief!
Think you gon' fly and get away quick? Uh, uh!
Give up the Emerald or die, I don't love you!
- True, he says he doesn't love her but... Suspiciously Specific Denial, anybody?
- The Team Dark Theme from Sonic Heroes is theoretically sung by Shadow with a few words about Rouge, but more like a skilled friend. While he says "A treasure disappears as she goes' this could mean jewels she's stolen, it could mean Rouge, or it could mean how she 'stole' Shadow himself. Either way it's far more vague.
Now, before anyone says "Jossed. Amy had a flashback of Sonic CD in Sonic Adventure". Notice that they are in their modern design during the flashback, also, said flashback depicts sonic carrying Amy whilst being chased by Metal Sonic when it should be Metal carrying Amy. Although this is clearly a homage, I'm going to say it's just a similar unseen event that happened during the modern era.
Also, I believe Classic Robotnik is actually Professor Gerald. That is why Shadow looks like Sonic because Gerald based him on his old enemy.
- Jossed because, as per word of SEGA, they're split timelines.
- Confirmed, as per word of SEGA, they're the same timeline now.
Plus, it doesn’t help that every Sonic fan suggested that Shadow should’ve stayed dead in the first place.
- He may fear that self-aware machines would turn against him.
- Building machine brains may be too expensive.
- He may have a religious aversion to AI, similar to those found in Dune or Warhammer 40,000.
- Jossed as of Frontiers; he created SAGE, who is straight-up an AI.
- Jossed by Frontiers, Eggman mentions in one of his voice logs that he never knew Maria. If anything, he seems to have resented her for taking attention from him even in death, although he also seems curious about her.
The reason why Black Doom did not survive his fall is because he was already critically wounded after fighting Super Shadow, so his shared Healing Factor couldn't recover.
- Alternatively, he is an artificial intelligence in a physical body, just like Sage.