- Sadly jossed. If you check the list of characters and voice actors in the film, neither Vanessa nor her actress are listed.
- Link? I find it hard to believe that everything is set in stone a year in advance of the film. Or maybe it's just because he's in denial.
- See its entry on The Other Wiki. Hopefully this is merely due to lack of information either way to post a Vanessa appearance as fact. Really, really hope so.
- Yeah, that seems pretty standard, I don't think it's a full list, so not Jossed?
- She's on the list now, so... this is a possibility. Don't see ANYTHING about Phin's real dad mentioned there, though.
- Trailers and screen shots seem to be omitting Vanessa so far. This means she will either have a small role or her role is way too plot-relevant and spoiler-making for promotional material.
- There's a deleted scene named "Vanessa meets Doof". Would that explain anything?
- Jossed. Dan Povenmire said that she will not appear in the movie, but there's a deleted scene with her.
- Movie showed up on Disney on demand a few days early, no sign of Vanessa.
- Considering how he tried to kill Phineas, Ferb, Perry, Candace, and Doofenshmirtz(the former three twice), and planned to turn Perry and Phineas into cyborgs obedient to him, it's probably safe to call this confirmed.
- Semi-jossed: He crosses the Moral Event Horizon and is an Evil Overlord, but he's so damn zany he's just inches away from the depravity abyss. Plus he gave up when he got his choo-choo back.
- The offical website seems this confirm this somewhat. In this timeline, only one bad childhood event happened to doof. Sadly, it was enough to turn him into an evil dictator. We just don't know what said event is.
- He lost a toy train.
- Jossed. Phineas-2 and Ferb-2 are shown alive in the movie.
- The offical website seems this confirm this somewhat. In this timeline, only one bad childhood event happened to doof. Sadly, it was enough to turn him into an evil dictator. We just don't know what said event is.
- This is Phineas and Ferb we're talking about, where the premise follows that Rousseau Was Right. And that Dan and Jeff saying that the Alternate Doofenshmirtz will be played seriously is a lie.
- In a way, confirmed. Although Doof-2 is the darkest villain we have had, he does abruptly end all his evil the second Doof-1 gives him a toy train..., that does not happen in a Darker and Edgier universe...
- Plus he still keeps his zany and quirky personality.
- In a way, confirmed. Although Doof-2 is the darkest villain we have had, he does abruptly end all his evil the second Doof-1 gives him a toy train..., that does not happen in a Darker and Edgier universe...
- And to add to that, Candace could either want to join her brothers in their projects or hate their guts. Vanessa could be just as evil as her father or not care about him at all.
- On many websites describing the upcoming movie, it says that the alternate dimension includes a more dastardly Doofenshmirtz. Dastardly generally means more cowardly but sneaky. This would probably increase the scale of his projects (if that is possible) and the likelihood that they would succeed. This said, would this idealogy apply differently to other characters? It wouldn't make sense for characteristics that have barely even occured be increased. For example, although we have been given a bit of evidence of a future relationship between Phineas and Isabella (if Quantom Boogaloo doesn't scream this, what does?), if the dimension were taking place in a similar yet different scale, more than likely Phineas would become even more oblivious to things (how he sometimes hurts people with his inventions on accident, Isabella's crush, the fact that Candace wants them to get in trouble), but increase in something good somewhere else (I suppose he would become better at creating safety, as the two ideas between Doofenshmirtz contradict eachother). Likewise, Isabella could grow even more deeply in love with Phineas, but become more badass adorable (or anything really..). Really, we should be wondering what is wrong with alternate dimension Agent P that he cannot fight a more evil Doofenshmirtz (or what is wrong with the O.W.C.A.) ... So... yeah.
- Sort of right. There are alternate counterparts, but the Alternate Isabella hadn't even met Phineas before, alternate Phineas and Ferb are largely the same(though our Phineas and Ferb had to tell them about life outside of oppression and conformity before they got the genius and creativity), alternate Candace is obsessed with protecting her brothers and bringing down Doofenshmirtz, and alternate Perry was apparently pretty much the same as our Perry until he lost to Doofenshmirtz and was turned into an evil cyborg.
- Though he's still as badass as the original Perry.
- Sort of right. There are alternate counterparts, but the Alternate Isabella hadn't even met Phineas before, alternate Phineas and Ferb are largely the same(though our Phineas and Ferb had to tell them about life outside of oppression and conformity before they got the genius and creativity), alternate Candace is obsessed with protecting her brothers and bringing down Doofenshmirtz, and alternate Perry was apparently pretty much the same as our Perry until he lost to Doofenshmirtz and was turned into an evil cyborg.
- Jossed.
- Jossed. The big bad (supposedly "Alternate Universe") Doofenshmirtz is Heinz Doofenshmirtz. At least he looks like him...
- They state they are the same person, so yes, it is Jossed.
- So Perry is actually Jesus in Purgatory?
- The song doesn't seem to be foreshadowing (at least IMO), but I can definitely see something like this happening in the episode.
- Yeah, this tropette also believes something like that will happen in the movie.
- Jossed.
- Using the universal translation mustache.
- Or Platyborg (AU Perry) will talk. He is a cyborg, afterall.
- Most likely Jossed, since in an interview, Dan and Swampy haven't figured out Perry's talking voice.
- Definitely Jossed.
- Confirmed! Before the Alternate Doofenshmirtz can attack/kill Perry and the boys, he shows up with the toy train he (the alternate Heinz) lost as a child, thus causing him to turn evil. The guy's so happy to have his toy back he completely drops the whole plan to rule the tri-state areas.
- Jossed. Perry did exist, but he lost to Doofenshmirtz and was turned into Platyborg.
- Depends on which Dr. D is mentioned, it's confirmed. According to the synopsis, Platyborg (AU Perry) will be AU Dr. D's sidekick.
- Confirmed, sorta. He's just not allied with Dr. D of his own free will.
- Their family life is obviously meant to be healthy and stable (putting the whole "busting" thing aside). Not having that stability would probably screw all three of them up, or at least change their outlooks/situations/personalities in some way.
- Probably Jossed. In the trailer, there's a family portrait behind the couch that includes the whole Ferb-Fletcher family (like the one above our universe's parents' bed, but grayer and more unhappy). It's looks rather recent, so it's unlikely that anyone died, either.
- Definitely Jossed.
- Jossed. Doof-2 never even mentions his parents. Probably because he doesn't have any Freudian Excuses related to them like our Doof does.
- This troper hopes Bucky (Flynn-Fletcher's old dog) will make an appearance, too.
- They revealed a screenshot, and a source said that the movie will determine whether the Flynn-Fletcher family is either Perry's actual owners or just a host family, how he was adopted, and how he was recruited by the O.W.C.A.
- I think that it is safe for us to assume that there will be a Reset Button, but I think we can really start a WMG about what the Reset Button will be. I myself think it will not be as simple as the OWCA cleaning their memories. I'll dare to bet that it will be something in the mood of P&F themselves realizing that it is for the best to delete their own memories so that they can return to their normal life in that they think their pet is just a platypus that doesn't do much, and yeah, somehow it will be a C Mo HW.
- CONFIRMED! The ending has the gang getting their memories erased...except Perry, who uploads them into his Computer in the lair.
- Given that there's a mystery figure◊ appearing in the trailer of the movie while the narrator mentions "one agent (most likely Perry)", this might be confirmed.
- Jossed. That mystery figure is just a shrub.
- Jossed. It was just the toy train. He's perfectly fine after getting a replacement.
- Unfortunately jossed.
- The prediction about Fan Dumb complaining about about the ending is confirmed though.
- The second part of this WMG is Jossed. We don't see much backstory aside from a few seconds of him being adopted. We still have no idea what his real backstory prior to that is, though.
- Considering how young he is in that flashback, it seems pretty unlikely that there's much more back story before that point.
- Yes and no. Doof-1 does join Phineas and Ferb, but Vanessa had nothing to do with it.
- Not exactly a big surprise, considering that its standard issue for an Anti-Villain to be disgusted by the acts of more evil characters.
- It's a shrub...though it does appear in the movie as a quick gag.
During the Villain Song, he mentions that it's in his pouch, and they being up the eyepatch thing alot, from the various promotions we've seen. I'm betting on this theory.
- Jossed.
Once again, during the song, The doof's say they fear that vending machines will take over the world. What better way to bring this gag back, then to have them get saved by them?
- Jossed.
Why not?
- I could see it happening. As Phineas and Ferb are being strangled by one of the giant robots, Irving shows up in Terminator gear and touts a dramatic one-liner before blasting the robot with his shotgun. The shot causes the robot to fly back, dropping Phin and Ferb, and to crash into numerous other robots. They all fall down and explode, the explosion sucking in the rest of the robots and Doofenshmirtz-2, and saving the day. Or, in an alternate ending, the explosion blows up half of Danville and kills everyone except for Irving. It then leaves a cliffhanger for the upcoming theatrical film, which actually focuses on Irving being the only living person in the Tri-State Area ala "I Am Legend", and having to find some way to bring life back to the barren town.
- Sorta. He is co-piloting the Beak Suit.
- He made it look like he saved the day.
Irving:WOLVERINES!
At one point in the movie, we see a captured Phineas, Ferb, Perry, Candace, and Doofenshmirtz being lead to the Goozim. How do they escape? Simple. Alternate Phineas, Ferb, and Candace show up and free them. As the 1st Dimension heroes prepare to travel to another dimension with that remote of theirs, Doofenshmirtz-2 sends his robot minions after them. Phin, Ferb, Candy, Perry, and Doof escape while the Alternates fight off the robots and are never seen again—presumably killed in the fight. Or maybe as they are being fought, Platyborg comes to his senses and remembers Phin-2 and Ferb-2 as his past owners and goes to save them, letting them escape as he has his last night against Doof-2's robots.
- It's possible that the... helmet thing on the Platyborg's head is used for mind control, like the monkey-enslavinator. Instead of simply 'coming to his senses' maybe it gets taken off somehow... (What? It's happened before.)
- No, in this screenshot◊, Perry seems like he's on the good side but he still wears that helmet thing.
- Quite Confirmed since Candace-2 saved the ones from the 1st Dimension but ended up in some dungeon/jail.
- On the Movie site, one of the dimensions you can change that background to is a dimension full of Giant Floating Baby Heads.
- Doof may be evil, but he's Affably Evil, and that may be in large part due to the fact that given his comedically abusive childhood, he sees no reason why he should be a jerk. Alternate Doofenshmirtz, by comparison, has been shown to be rude and dismissive of his counterpart.
- Confirmed. He lost a train. That's it.
- Does thinking Perry's friendship with them was all a lie count?
- Yeah, it does.
- Jossed. They fight alongside Perry, but get their memories wiped.
- The result being obvious. And the premise isn't exactly ridiculous (seeing as how the Fireside Girl Handbook has a section on time travel).
- ...What, somebody had to say it, (Most likely those who saw it on Verizon first)! Perry would use the pictures he took in the second dimension and E-mail them to Phineas and delete the proof surrounding it to him. This could explain Perry throwing the chair in the preview for Meap-less in Seattle due to Carl finding out the e-mail sent to Phineas.
- As of now, Jossed.
- I don't see why. Perry could just be saving them for another doomsday scenario.
- I, this WMG creator, can actully see it happening in another deadly plot, which could lead the the ending where Phineas uses a Loophole Abuse to state that the WHOLE family has to know about the secret, and leading Perry to stay a secret agent with the Flynns.
- Hmm... "Phineas and Ferb: Across the 2nd Dimension 2"?
- Upon finding out his favorite toy was lost, he threw a huge fit. And when his parents couldn't find it, he swore revenge. So, he took over the Tri-State area.
- THIS. Hundred times this. And maybe Doof-2 was his mother's favourite? And the Roger of the 2nd dimension was as mentally abused by their parents as our Doof.
- It all goes in his scrapbook, much to Phineas' confusion, while Irving is proud that he got never-before-seen P&F memorabilia.Phineas: "Woah, when did we do this?"
- And everything that implies. The OWCA, Perry. For some reason, they're allowed to know. Other characters probably know. Maybe Django, they probably didn't think it mattered too much if he knew. I mean, what's he going to do? Have speaking lines?
- And that leads to my WMG
- In a way, confirmed since neither him nor Albert were seen in the group when they're getting their minds erased.
- Irving doesn't live by the rules of the Fourth Wall. So maybe.
- Even though it would change too much about the series for them to remember it all right now, once the Grand Finale hits all bets are off and I bet they all get zapped with a Rememberinator because Perry needs Phineas and Ferb's help again.
- Of course, then Perry would get taken away from them. Unless they find some sort of workaround.
- The finale could involve the OWCA some sort getting disbanded / reformed to remove this restriction. Or Perry could make an actual Heroic Sacrifice in the end. Oh boy, that's too dark for P&F. But could be sort of cool.
- Or Perry could just, you know retire.
- Alternately, Phineas and Ferb end up on the OWCA's board of directors, allowing them to know Perry's secret while he stays an agent. "Phineas and Ferb Get Busted" says that they're on the city council- yes, it's a dream sequence, but it's not that far-fetched...
- Of course, then Perry would get taken away from them. Unless they find some sort of workaround.
- Think about it, there has been quite an active effort to hide everything about Vanessa in this movie. It could be that she will rescue her dad and restart the evil empire, or something like that.
- The kick it up a notch music video, the photos when Perry didn't take any photos to our screentime knowledge, it could well be all a movie.
- Yes, because it's completely impossible that they deliberately designed it that way, or at the very least managed to notice that two of their own creations looked similar without seeing their fans point it out first. That said, this guess is still likely, but there is much better evidence of it than what what was used.
- Doof-1 pointing out the Eviler than Thou trope by name, for one.
- Everything is Better With Perry, for another.
- While it wasn't in this movie, Monogram uses the term Nightmare Fuel to describe Meap in a DVD Commentary.
- Eviler than Thou (a play on Holier than thou) and Nightmare Fuel are both real life terms that got used for Trope names so it doesn't prove much. Everything is better with is also pretty commonly used by non-tropers.
- If Doof-2 isn't as intelligent as Doof-1, who created the Norm-bots?
- This was a theory I had. The reason Doof-2 is so evil isn't because he only had one bad thing happen to him with losing his train, but because he never had a daughter to somewhat mellow him out and give him some good.
- A deleted scene from the DVD shows Doof-2 does have Vanessa as a daughter.
- Jossed. A later episode confirms that Doof-2 and Charlene-2 DID, in fact, get married and had Vanessa-2. However, they never got divorced. They just pretend they're no longer married for the "perks."
- The tie-in comic is a prequel where we see this. Not sure if it's canon though. (Or if he says that)
- Or he could of hit his eye with something, or just has a bad eye.
- How did he get that scar that somehow extends to the eyepatch?
So, what happens is that Doof-2 repressed that awful event. And his toy train was the way he escaped reality. Unfortunately, the abusive figure noticed it and stole his toy train. And Doof-2 related his loss of this chance to escape reality as his Freudian Excuse because he did his best to forget the real reason.
That's the reason that the second Doof-2 recovers this toy train he basically pulls a Heel–Face Turn. What happened there is that Doof-2 regressed to that part of his childhood in which he escaped reality, to the point that he forgot about his crimes against humanity.
- Well, he didn't specifically say that losing his toy train was the only childhood event which made him evil.
- Yeah but still.
- Isn't he a little young to have spent 6 years in college and have written a thesis?
- Yes. Yes he is.
- Did you catch the red D logo in Baljeet's shirt? It looks like something related to Doof-2. I would say that Doof-2 probably set an environment that detect kids with mad scientist potential and enlists them to be taught how to be evil Doctors. Since Baljeet lives so close to the center of the resistance and is probably frenemies with Buford he became a double agent rather than going evil and is using what he learned in Evil doctor school to aid the resistance making cool gadgets. This would also explain Candace's backstory, the Flynn-Fletchers had to work very hard to avoid having their kids detected as potential mad scientists.
- Those were just Dooferalls, like everyone wore except the active members of the resistance.
- Failing that, the plant that shows up in Doof-2's lair when Doof-2 first explains that Perry is a secret agent is Planty.
- But in the alternate universe it's implied (because the worst thing that happened to him is losing a toy train apparently)that he had a good family, so he'd have people to care about.
- Alternatively, Charlene might have tried to keep Vanessa by herself and away from Doof-2.
- No real reason for this, besides the styles being similar and the sheer contrast between the two.
And on another related note...
- Linda will react horribly like in "Phineas and Ferb Get Busted" (but up to eleven)
- Doof will take over. And be a tyrant, of course. (Also Up To Eleven)
- (insert some other horrible effect here...after taking it Up To Eleven)
This, along with having to spend all her time fighting witches instead of supporting her relationships, will completely darken her Soul Gem and she will turn into a witch. "Quantum Boogaloo" takes place in a timeline where she doesn't contract.
- Come on. Do you really think Dan and Swampy would write an exchange like that and not turn it into a Chekhov'sGun ?
- Chances are it has something to do with him being a Covert Pervert, so probably not.
- Ferb probably just realizes more than Phineas that being seen as a normal kid and building all kinds of things and going on crazy adventures like they do aren't consistent with each other
- Well, Ferb does tend to do things (even without Phineas) like jump into the Ride from Outer Space and attempt to pick up Vanessa. He has a lot going on that not too many of his friends know about, because he doesn't talk much. So he does have a secret double life, if you look at it that way.
- Chances are it has something to do with him being a Covert Pervert, so probably not.
- This. It just makes way too much sense.
- She was probably suffering from the I Let Gwen Stacy Die Syndrome and got over it in the end.
- If you watch Isabella and the other resistance members when Candace-2 cuts the rail car loose it would seem they are use to the idea that not everyone makes it out on some missions.
They still went on that date at the drive-in. She's still the one who convinced him to settle for the Tri-state area. She's afraid he'll notice her and come after her, especially after she sees a member of her family doing something they're not supposed to. She's ashamed of herself for giving the idea of settling for the Tri-state area in the first place.
- Kinda Confirmed since the creators originally wanted the ending to be that way, but was scrapped.
- How did he get there?
- This makes a lot of sense, and is probably canon anyway.
- Plus, Ferb has a ridiculously awesome Swiss army knife, so it makes sense that Phineas would have something similar.
- Alternately, when his daughter hit the moody teenage years and did not treat Doof-2 with the appropriate amount of respect that he wanted, he turned her into a cyborg. He already did that to his arch-enemy, Perry-2/Platyborg, and had no qualms with doing that to Phineas. I see no reason why Doof-2 would put up with a snarky teenage girl who complains about him and he lacks even the shred of morality that the original Doof has. He'd quite likely have no problems turning his own flesh and blood into an unquestioning, unthinking, "perfect daughter" that he could program into behaving however he liked. And he likely has his cyborg-Vanessa out of the way at some menial task, such as observing the construction of the Norm-bots (since leading the army is the Platyborg's job), that requires no will-power from her. The benefit of this option is that it leaves it open to a sequel since, if Doof-2 ever decides to attempt a "take over the Tri-State Area" repeat, she can serve as his new Second-in-Command. And it would be a very good way to tick off Doof-1 since, even on her most disagreeable days, he would never consider harming his daughter (or turning her into an essentially-mindless drone).
- Actually, when Doof-1 developed that Inator that made people do things that'd otherwise be unlikely for them to do, he (briefly) considered using it to make Vanessa obey him.
- Expanding upon this, Doof-2 lost his eye in the accident that killed Roger/in the fight that killed Roger.
- Considering everything is bass-ackwards in the 2nd Dimension, maybe Doofenshmirtz was the favorite son and Roger was the one who was raised by ocelots, had to work as a lawn gnome with a balloon as his only friend, was the schnitzel of the family, etcetera, etcetera.
- That...that actually makes a lot of sense.
- OP again: Combined with a Date Fail with Linda (per the WMG above; remember she was the one who suggested he start with just the Tri-State Area rather than the whole world), and not insecure enough to seek the approval of others, did not wind up marrying Charlene and having Vanessa (also per WMGs above), so isn't a bit softer by having cared for someone. Thus he treated his nemesis as an actual enemy, and not as a substitute family or friend. Doof-1's plans are almost all aimed at petty revenge for his various backstories, but Doof-2 doesn't have those, and so he concentrated on the main goal of conquering the Tri-State Area. Once he defeated Agent P-2 it was easy, as we can see that Perry is the top agent in OWCA. All the agents working together can only slow down a small group of Normbots before being defeated. Agent P-1 jumps in and manages to take out a half-dozen alone before being grabbed.
- Hah, almost forgot the Incredibly Lame Pun part of this thought: Doof-1 is more Self Destructive (not that) than Doof-2. Which manifests by prominent self-destruct buttons on all his devices. Doof-2 isn't as self destructive, and so they aren't as easily found. But Doof-1, knowing himself better than anyone else, was able to find that part of Doof-2's psyche with Choo-Choo.
- This carries Fridge Horror. After all, it suggests that the only thing stopping Doof-1 from being a borderline monster, is the fact it was crushed out of him by his parents.
- Just remember parents: If you think your child may grow up to be evil, make sure to completely crush their self-esteem so that they are unable to form or follow a coherent or rational plan!
- So it's like Shinji, then?
- Just remember parents: If you think your child may grow up to be evil, make sure to completely crush their self-esteem so that they are unable to form or follow a coherent or rational plan!
- But if the spiritual crippling is true, why isn't Doof-1 driven to Despair Event Horizon yet? Just the common sense part is more plausible.
- This troper cannot name a single psychologist who won't tell you this is bulls**t. Though if you're still convinced by this WMG, look at my Exact Words.
- Good thing it wasn't written by a psychologist then! Besides, since when do WMGs have to be psychologically sound? Or even plausible, for that matter?
- Even better, the OP doesn't know *any* psychologists. WMG is safe!
- Partially confirmed in the deleted scene that you can watch in the DVD. Vanessa-2 is seemingly not concerned at all about her dad being an evil dictator that oppresses everyone. She is just mildly annoyed that Doof-2 tends to banish all of her potential boyfriends.
- Pretty much confirmed in the second dimension episode, as she helps her parents escape from the resistance.
- This... is... BRILLIANT!
- Alternatively, he only calls himself a doctor to avoid looking bad in front of the other resistance members for wearing a dooferal. He only wants na excuse for the D. Wearing overalls is something itself he can get away with because he already wore before Doof-2 took over but he needed an excuse for the D.
- But Phineas says they became one-hit wonders that year. Which by definition can only be done once.
- Lawrence and Linda are in many episodes, actually.
- Huh?
- See the WMG a few above.
- Huh?
- Or the more likely..
- Confirmed in the second dimension episode.
- On Teleporters Of Doom, Phineas says that they will go to the movies, and in Robot Riot, Phineas APPROVES of Perry being a secret agent like most kids will be like, unlike the movie. And for extra epicness, it would be revealed that Phineas and Ferb made it. This could be real for 4 reasons.
- 1. It would be revealed at the end of the series that the kids and Perry in his agent P state were in the movies, and than have to go to foil the sinister plans of *Insert Truly Evil Villain Here* and will go do so, meaning that they are in OWCA.
- 2.Phineas approving of Perry being a secret agent is FAR, FAR, FAR, more realistic than the movie's reaction, meaning it was acted out.
- 3. This would explain the time Perry got the pictures for his scrapbook with Phineas being angry and all, that goozim pictures, and the kick it up a notch music video.
- 4. Gives Phineas a reason for complaining about Perry's Reveal.
- And his name is The Truth
- Again, photos are the proof. Phineas was just putting up a act for Doof-2 so that he will think it WAS real, thus, when learning that Perry was kidnapped, he tried to rescue him. The only thing that COULD be real is if Perry WAS using him as a cover, or he could be trying to still convince Doof-2. This also explains how his anger calmed down unexpectedly. Ferb could also be in on it.
- And Freudian Excuse is easily deconstructed, while Love Makes You Evil is extremely potent.
- This troper agrees: after all, you don't know what you've got till it's gone. Doof-1 may have found the fact that losing his toy train as a kid was enough reason for Doof-2 to become a cruel dictator ridiculus, but since he never lost his own toy train he never knew how important it realy was for him. Notice that as soon as Doof-2 receives Doof-1' toy train, he instantly seemed to become the same imbecilic jerk the Doof-1 always was. (He even came up with a self-destruct button for each and every one of his Norm Bots, quite in the manner of his 1st Dimension counterpart.) Apparently, the trauma of losing his favorite toy as a child was the only thing that held him "competent", no matter how strange it may seem.
Technically its Time Lady, but I agree with both statements
As an alternative to the above guess. It would explain his secret double life that Phineas apparently isn't surprised by, he has a way with (sonic) screwdrivers, and he's British
1. Just because Perry dreamed about Candace dreaming about the place doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
2. Their hair was cut the same way as it was in "Phineas and Ferb Get Busted!"
3. If we're going to assume that this is the same Phineas and Ferb, why would they be so interested in conforming just because some random evil guy took over? They'd still be themselves...and, naturally, the evil empire would feel the need to crush that out of them.
4. Alt-Candace is fiercely protective of them because she doesn't want to see them get brainwashed and broken again—or perhaps because she's afraid that if they snap out of it, Doofenshmirtz will realize that it didn't work the first time and come up with a more permanent solution to his little difficulty...
- A little bit of a Batman Gambit by him, hoping that Alt-Perry (from his point of view) would be able to do something about Overlord Doof.
- We don't see the scene where the boys are sent up to the office, so we also don't know if there was any communication between Monogram-2 and Perry before they went up.
Okay,so he's got the same childhood past as Doof-1- neglected and raised by ocelots and all. And he beared with it, like Doof 1. But he had ONE very close friend that greatly helped him do so. On Doof 2's birthday, that friend gave him a toy train, and on it they swore they would be best friends forever. Fast forward several months. It is the day of the Doofenshmirtz family reunion. The friend is not part of the family by blood,but he/she goes anyway. Doof is being embarrassingly uncoordinated as usual,but his best friend cheers him on. After the game, Doof is humiliated so bad that he runs from the field crying, Best Friend following and trying to calm him down. In his stress,Doof yells at Best Friend to go away. They argue a little,leading to Doof to say horrible,personal things to Best Friend. Then Best Friend is now the one to run away in tears. A few days later, they have not spoken to each other since. Doof feels guilty about the incident at the reunion, so he goes to Best Friend to apologize. Best Friend gives Doof a very happy look and waves him hello(or goodbye...)before he/she gets struck by a car(or some other sort of vehicle in Druelselstein that can accidentally cause death.) However he/she does not die immediately. Best Friend dies in the totally shocked and sobbing Doof's arms,his/her last words being "Remember our Choo-Choo Pact? We'll... always... be friends..."
Couple years later, Choo-Choo mysteriously disappears.
- And yes, I could have just typed "Choo-Choo was his Tragic Keepsake relating to a dead friend." but I really wanted to share my headcanon.
- The friend was his neighbor, Kenny.
- But then she said that none of them would remember... unless she's hiding something.
- If that was the case, then Monogram wouldn't have had her memories erased in the first place.
- She was included so her friends wouldn't ask questions. Remember when Perry appeared and Phineas was confused? Besides, maybe Isabella has some device with her to prevent herself from the effects of the Amnesia-Inator.
- Or maybe her mind got erased because she's too young to understand the O.W.C.A. stuff before she will actually be part of it.
- Well, that'd explain the connection between their Ancient China counterparts.
- They thought that they were weather balloons (or evil weather balloons?), so it's unnecessary.
- Once the Amnesia-Inator makes Doof-1 forget the whole thing, he'll eventually wonder what happened to his Choo-Choo. Then again, he already did his toy train related share of evil in "Not Phineas and Ferb".
- The same events are triggered in C and D at the same time as they happen in A and B.
- At first, Phineas, Ferb, Perry and Doof move from dimension A to B and at the same time from dimension C to D.
- When Doof-2 uses his own portal to travel at the opposite direction, he goes from dimension B to A (and Doof-4 goes from dimension D to C).
- But here is the difference, when Phineas, Ferb, Doof, Candace and Perry escape from dimension B and do the Brand new reality musical montage, they eventually reach DIMENSION C. Thus they technically end in the wrong dimension, although identical as it is being invaded by Doof D.
- However, Phineas-3, Ferb-3, Doof-3, Candace-3 and Perry-3 escaped dimension D, and went through different dimensions. Dimension D is so far away from Dimension B that they could not reach it before the end of the movie. Or maybe there is something very dangerous in-between and they got captured, or worse.
- Thus, Dimension C and D got the fake happy ending we saw at the end of the movie. But dimension C actually has Dimension A's protagonists now (And the evil Doof that was defeated is Doof-4). Worse, dimension C's protagonists are lost somewhere between dimensions D and A. Dimension A was invaded by Doof-2 and nobody in there knows what happened to Phineas, Ferb and Candace.
- "Of course your father isn't evil. He was never man enough to be truly evil. That's why I left him." "Noo!" "Search your heart, Vanessa, and you'll see that it is true!"
- The movie after that will have V.D. return with a cybernetic foot to kick her mother's ass.
- So that was the episode where the boys' invented something chicken-themed, Candace called for her mom in Pablo Picasso's Guernica, Linda and Lawrence made spooky noises in a cavern, Perry entered his lair as a giant, got trapped in a metal replica of himself, Doof invented his Blow-Itself-Up-Inator and Inside-Out-Inator, and Buford neglected to get a down payment on the elephant.
- No, that's the other one. The Amnesia-inator was obviously used in "Meap Me in Saint Louis".
Now think back to ''Ready for the Bettys' by chance the boys found their way into "Agent P's" underground lair, made their way to Doof's current hideout, and saved Candace, and throughout the episode Phineas assumed that the whole thing had been built by Ferb, who repeatedly attempted to explain that he hadn't. Now this leaves Ferb with the knowledge that there was a mysterious spy headquarters, located underneath their house, belonging to someone called "Agent P", and filled with gear that had been visually based on a platypus.
Now both Phineas and Ferb are clearly extremely intelligent, just look at everything they've built, and with what Ferb already knew it stands to reason that he probably had at least considered that their pet platypus, who vanished every day for most of the day, and had a name beginning with P, may in fact be "Agent P".
Therefore it then explains why Ferb had no reaction to Perry's secret being revealed, all it did was confirm what he'd believed for some time.