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Shared Universes, Ponies, Equestria, Equestrian Culture, Science and Magic, Other Species (Changelings, Dragons)
Shared Universes, Ponies, Equestria, Equestrian Culture, Science and Magic, Other Species (Changelings, Dragons)
Ponies. How do they work?
- So they're the humans of their fantasy setting?
- I think ponies being the equivalent of humans is pretty obvious...
- Oh, the implications...
- They have little dewclaws in front like a Merychippus, only nailless and webbed to the main body of the foreleg. We don't see those because of the simplistic animation.
- Apparently some horses have an atavistic mutation that causes them to have multiple toes. Perhaps that gene is widespread among Ponies and their toes are prehensile enough to just barely be used for grasping.
- And that, together with the small cornified structure, explains why they have more motion than a normal horse. As for why bigger ponies (like Big Mac and Shining Armor) seems to have normal size nails, is because.... well, since humans bigger (and more muscular) than normal ones have bigger hands too, same goes for Equestrian ponies. That doesn't mean they have less motion than normals.
- Jossed: Snips and Snails had embarassing bald patches of skin showing after they got glued together.
- Don't know if it counts as canon, but the lyrics of "Equestria Girls" mention "furry coats."
- In regard to the Jossing above, perhaps ponies have very fine/short hairs similar to that of whales and similar ocean mammals, causing it to blend into itself almost non-noticeably while allowing manes, tails, and facial hair to form as well.
- Applejack only said they don't usually wear clothes, nothing about fur.
- Jossed; Snips and Snails (orange and blue-green) have some of their fur torn off. Their skin is pink.
- Well, the jaw thing can be argued that they needed to develop that way because they use their mouths in place of hands.
- Have you seen a horse's mouth? They can still deliver a nasty bite. Their teeth are not designed for slicing prey, but grinding down tough plant material.
- Here's the thing. You are correct about Earth horses, but Equestrians are not horses. Equestria is not Earth. It's a different world where evolution happened differently, mostly because of the presence of magic. Now, they do have some equine characteristics. You could go so far as to call them equinoid. But they are not horses, any more than Vulcans or Klingons are humans (even though both are humanoid).
- Possible reason is that the ponies in Equestria ARE omnivorous, it's that if they ate meat. They'll go under a bloodthirsty rage. disturbing picture dead ahead...
- what looks like a ham or bologna sandwich on the left, next to the cake◊
- It's probably beetroots (there are pink ones). Or rose petals. After all, we know they like to eat roots and flowers.
- That said, there have been accounts of real, live horses showing indications towards omnivory. Who's to say this wasn't all the more true at some point in the history of sapient, civilized mini-horses, especially considering that predator eye placement of theirs?
- The Apple family raises pigs, and pigs within Equestria are demonstrated to be no-more intelligent than their real-life counterpart. Pigs are raised IRL for their meat and leather, and they serve no other purpose from an agricultural standpoint. Faust was a bit evasive about the question, implying that the Apples let the pigs live on their farm because the pigs needed somewhere to stay, however the pragmatist would point out that the presence of pigs is the most likely explanation for where Applejack's leather hat came from.
- There is another (still disgusting) explination. The pigs are farm tools. Pigs will eat almost anything, shit very soil enriching manure and have feet that trample the shit/soil just the right way for crop cultivation. Something the Ancient Egyptians supposedly used them for.
- Wait, what? Her hat is officially leather, not felt or that stuff that's like straw but finer and more flexible?
- Hats like hers are generally made from felt or straw, but some use leather. At any rate, pig farming would explain where the occasional leather product comes from.
- Eating meat in Equestria might be taboo, with minor exceptions in the form of small, isolated villages that generally slip under the radar/are not spoken of because that's terrible.
- To paraphrase Mystery Science Theater 3000, "And if their hooves were metal, that would mean something."
- And their hooves are made of metal.
- As long as two things are magnetic they can attract eachother, regardless of if they are metal or not.
- Earlier versions of MLP toys had a magnet in one of the front hooves on each pony to enable them to interact with accessories
- Maybe they're not naturally magnetic, but they wear magnetized horseshoes? We can't see them in the show for the same reason we can't see their unmentionables.
- Water elemental would be those mermaid ones that the fandom seems to hate so much.
- Seaponies or hippocampi? Because sea ponies (SHOO BE DOO, SHOOP-SHOO BE DOO!) and hippocampi/mer-ponies (not yet seen in MLP) would be different.
- Try the Power Trio of body (earth), mind (unicorn), and spirit (pegasus).
- Ponies are based on the five platonic elements: Unicorns are aether, pegasi are air, sea ponies are water, earth ponies are earth (duh), and fire is represented by Zebras.
- The three races of pony are all made up of a mix two elements in varying proportions. Pegasus ponies are wind (Dash) and water (Fluttershy), earth ponies are Fire (Pinkie) and earth (AJ, or especially Big Mac), and unicorn ponies are made of sunlight (Rarity) and moonlight (Trixie).
- Another alternative: Alicorns embody Aether, as it's a fifth element that combines the four.
- ANOTHER Another alternative: there's a popular theory that Nightmare Moon created a breed of ponies that lives on the moon. these embody Aether
- If we're using a five-element system, Earth Ponies are Earth, Pegasus ponies are Wind, Unicorns are Fire, Sea Pon- *is shot* hippocampi or mer-ponies are Water, and Alicorns/Unipegs/Pegasus-Unicorns are Void. ...Or Earth Ponies are Earth/Wood, Pegasus ponies are Fire, Unicorns are Metal, Zebras are Wood/Earth, and Sea... I mean Mer-ponies! are Water, while the Alicorns symbolize the energy, time, and all other cycles that hold the system together. What, me try to cram a square peg into a round trope? I never!
- Very unlikely alternative: Fire ponies are extinct. In the distant past, they envied unicorns and made a Deal with the Devil to become nightmares. The Nightmare Forces are either the source of their power, or all that remains of them.
- Unicorns are, after all, strongly associated with stars (which are balls of fire) and light (which fire provides). Additionally, their magic (as alluded to by the original troper) manifests as a sort of pseudo-tangible "energy" that cannot be neatly put into the box of solid, liquid or gas.
- She said they reproduce by typical mammalian means. Egg laying isn't typical for mammals. Also, Lyra Heartstrings was merely trapped in that egg. She didn't originate from it.
- Pinkie laid one (although it was obviously a gag.)
- And quite possibly simply a candy egg, considering the occasion.
- The material may also be called alicorn, which was originally the term for the material of a unicorn's horn (long before it came to mean "winged unicorn").
- Confirmed. Pegasus ponies' weather manipulation (and probably their flight) is magic-based, and earth ponies influence plants and animals.
- The Pinkie Sense is still unexplained though.
- Pinkie Sense is probably part of Pinkie's Toon Physics, her ability to do whatever she wants (even to the point of violating normal laws of reality) provided it's funny, makes for a good gag, or is in someway humorous to the ponies and/or the audience. Though she can't control her Pinkie Sense and it seems to come and go as it chooses (probably related to when it would be humorous for her to have said ability). As for how Pinkie Pie has Toon Physics when none of the other ponies do is a different question. One we will probably never know the answer for.
- Her special talent is making people smile (usually via parties), right? AND her Element of Harmony is Laughter, even. I think we can say that her Toon Physics come from one of the two, presumably the former since she apparently exhibited Pinkie Sense before getting her Element.
- Pinkie Sense is probably part of Pinkie's Toon Physics, her ability to do whatever she wants (even to the point of violating normal laws of reality) provided it's funny, makes for a good gag, or is in someway humorous to the ponies and/or the audience. Though she can't control her Pinkie Sense and it seems to come and go as it chooses (probably related to when it would be humorous for her to have said ability). As for how Pinkie Pie has Toon Physics when none of the other ponies do is a different question. One we will probably never know the answer for.
- In addition, they've got MAGIC. They can probably cure anything but "some of the more advanced forms of death", like being devoured and digested by a dragon. That's how Twilight survived having an anvil and a piano dropped on top of her—just about every bone in her body was broken and internal organs squished into paste, but unicorn doctors were able to mend her anyway. Bandages and wheelchairs... I got nothin'.
- This would also explain why dragons, capable of eating ponies, are considered so terrifying: being fully digested is not something unicorn magic can cure.
- All but confirmed in "Family Appreciation Day," given some information revealed in "Winter Wrap Up." It's stated that the tradition has been in place for "hundreds of years," and this is presumably after Ponyville was founded. Seeing as Granny Smith was there for the founding of Ponyville, it means that she's several hundred years old. It makes sense, seeing as there are only a handful of youngsters - it seems that ponies live ridiculously long lives and don't reproduce frequently, keeping the population more or less constant. It might also explain some of the issues with Vague Age — ponies that might in fact be decades apart in terms of age would appear more or less similar.
- It is most likely a continuity flub, however it still makes sense if you see it as a centuries old tradition that was continued by the ponies who founded Ponyville. At any rate, Granny Smith has obviously lived a lot longer than a real-life horse to have witnessed Ponyville go from a single log cabin to a thriving cosmopolitan town.
- In season 2 finale, Fake Cadance compares Pinkie Pie's wedding reception plan to six-year-old's birthday party, which seems to confirm this - if they had a regular horses' lifespans, six years of age would be a perfect time to get married.
- Once a pony has his/her cutie mark, they can go into an apprenticeship in the field that their cutie mark has selected them for. It acts as a biological indicator of the pony's ideal career, or at least a general field, so schools only provide a general educational background useful to anypony. If this is the case, the other theories of Twilight Sparkle being in an advanced program overlap well, as she's continuing an apprenticeship under Princess Celestia when her peers have at least become journeyponies in their respective fields, with the possible exception of Pinkie Pie, who works for the bakery in an undefined capacity. This provides a tidy explanation for why she's at Sugarcube Corner rather than with her family.
- Pipsqueak the Pirate DOES manage to speak in complete sentences despite admitting to being less than one year old...
- Pipsqeak never admitted to being less than a year old. He just stated that he was celebrating his first Nightmare Night, which could mean that either Nightmare Night wasn't celebrated where he was from, or that on that year he was finally old enough to celebrate it. He's obviously younger than the CMC.
- UH-OH!
- Jossed, we've now seen a foal in "The Mysterious Mare Do Well", and it is cared for the same way as a real world human baby.
- Confirmed! In "Baby Cakes" Pound and Pumpkin Cake were walking, flying, using magic, and talking, all within a month of being born.
- That's easy enough to resolve: Clearly, the foal in the pram was less than a month old.
- On that note, "stallion-swapping" happens a lot; it's simply not spoken of often. And there's no stigma against single mothers.
- Jossed, as it's shown here, the gender ratio as of Season 6 is close to 1 to 1.
- That's not how recessives work, both parents need to have the allele for offspring to inherit a recessive trait. More likely it's multi-factorial (biologist-speak for "it's complicated").
- This comic offers a handy chart (with Twilight!) explaining a possibility for Pony Multi-factoral genetics leading to a set of Earth Pony parents having a Unicorn and a Pegasus.
- It's also might because all ponies have Earth, Pegasus, and Unicorn ancestors in the past. Applejack and the others didn't know because they never mated before. One of the hidden truths for the ponies to unite during Hearth Warming's Eve was because each tribes was in danger of inbreeding, so all three interbreed over the years as a result. So, it's perfectly normal for a Brown Earth Stallion and a Gray Pegasus Mare to mate, and give birth to a Lavender Unicorn Filly.
- Time lord genetics might further complicate things, though.
- It's also possible that the unicorn and pegasus alleles cancel each other out to result in earth-pony status, which would be why alicorns are so rare and special, since the obvious approach of simply combining the chromosomes in the pair would not produce an alicorn. Combined with a third allele that is supposed to code for being an earth pony (i.e. providing the farming and nature-related talents), not only would this explain the Cake Family's twins (by Mr. and Mrs. Cake coincidentally both having pegasus/unicorn combinations and by sheer chance resulting in a pegasus/pegasus and a unicorn/unicorn), but may also explain why they aren't farmers like the Apple family and (supposedly) other typical earth ponies: lacking the genes for magical connection with nature and farming, they were not as adept to growing crops in their family history and therefore opted for a culinary career instead, since they were better at it.
- Also alternatively, for pegasi anyway, it might be a body mass issue. Pegasus foals can fly easily because they have so much flying magic for so little weight that zero effort is needed, once they get bigger, they need to actually learn.
- If Luna had this contingent of loyalists, why would she have felt so neglected and disregarded?
- Compared to the rest of Equestria, this contingent was very small; likely a squad or two of guards, and maybe their families. The vast majority of ponies still slept at night, and didn't enjoy Luna's work as much as Celestia's. I may be mistaken, but jealousy, as much as resentment, was a part of Luna's transformation/possession as anything. Luna had her guards, but, in her eyes, Celestia had everyone else.
- Now that we've seen Fluttershy get transformed into a bat pony, maybe Luna's guards are regular pegasi who have undergone a similar transformation... or the descendants of them.
- Nights lasts longer at the poles, but so do days. People living in polar regions would experience continuous night over most of the winter, brief periods of alternating day and night in "spring" and "autumn", and continuous day over most of the summer. The total amount of time spent in the night and in the day doesn't change — all that changes is that the nighttime is clustered at one end of the year and the daytime at the other. In other words, it's for all practical purposes the exact day-night cycle everyone else experiences, it just takes longer to complete each "day".
So, the word equine is used much as a fantasy setting uses "humanoid". Zebras and other equines may practice and use magic, but aren't as inherently connected to it as ponies. They persist in a relatively primitive state technologically since they can't manipulate objects as well as the magical ponies, so ponies also fulfill the dwarf or gnome role of being better at making things (and mining gemstones) than their equine brethren.
As an aside, the series in fact seems to carry some parallels with ElfQuest, and one can't help but wonder. The earth ponies may be like the Wolfriders, with mundane animal blood in their line that connects them to the earth more fully. The unicorns are like the desert elves, much more in line with magic and how their society used to run. The pegasi are a bit like the gliders, in that they are a bit more militant and they (obviously) fly.
- "ponies = elves" makes sense. they seem to be much more inherently magical then most other species (Especially "mundane" creatures like cows, mules, etc. which could all be human analogues.), they are very strong, and they are connected to nature very directly.
On another note, Canterlot is in danger of being invaded, so why does Luna apparently sleep out of Canterlot? Had she been there, perhaps together with Celestia they could have repelled Chrysalis. Also, since they have the bearers of the Elements at hand, why wouldn't they entrust them with the Elements while they were there? They're fashinable trinkets and had they done this, Chrysalis would have been blasted off far quicker.
- In Celestia's defense, she probably hadn't been spending much time with Cadance. Normally she's a very busy Alicorn, and around the time of the wedding she was on an even stricter schedule because she was trying to keep watch for danger. Also, it's never implied or indicated that Luna sleeps outside of Canterlot.
- Actually, it's exactly in "A Canterlot Wedding" where that is implied for the first time — Luna flies in from outside Shining Armor's force field to relieve Celestia for the night, and she misses out on the entire changeling invasion.
- In other towns than Ponyville, like Cloudsdale, there do seem to be more male background characters.
- This video points out that the genders are pretty balanced in other towns, at the school, and during holidays. Suggesting that since Ponyville is a rural town most of the visibly larger and stronger stallions are out in the fields working most of the time.
- Related guess: Pony food normally has enough sugar to give a human diabetes. A human pancrease just isn't built to handle all of Applejack's apple themed desserts and Pinkie's Cakes/Candies style baked goods.
- Also, Pony food has a LOT of fiber. As they casually eat hay and assorted plant stuff that humans wouldn't eat unless desperately starving. And even then, human stomachs won't get much nourishment.
- Jossed: Apple Bloom chipped a tooth in The Cutie Pox.
- It's possible that it's only the adult teeth that are incredibly tough but the baby teeth of ponies are about as strong as human teeth.
- The problem is, because smaller objects have a higher surface area/volume ratio, and drag mostly increases with surface area, the Square-Cube Law actually works AGAINST any pegasus trying to fly at high speeds, which would make the Sonic Rainboom even more unlikely.
- Even the fillies are a little larger than a medium-range dog (e.g. Winona). This makes them larger than your average toy.
- By extension, this would make giant creatures like the roc or the ursa major the size of their real-life counterparts — if a pony is the size of a toy, a roc would be around the size of a large eagle and the hill-sized ursa in the range of sizes most bears fall in.
If anything, I consider that an average pony in MLP possesses IQ marks (or the equivalent for ponykind) around at least 50 points higher than an average human.
Perhaps up to the point where three is an uncommon number of children. This may be due to law, biology or magic, but Pony society is a society that will not have any drastic demographic change.
The ponies' bodies are actually claytronics, which is why they are able to grasp objects and bend in ways that seem to defy bone and muscle structure. Their intelligence is either complete AI from the beginning, uploaded minds of once organic beings (people possibly) or AI birthed from once organic mind uploads.
Consider the following:
- Two of Princess Celestia's physical aspects are "being tall and slender" and "having a near-white coat".
- Fleur-de-Lis is presented as a beautiful pony, and is certainly tall, slender, and near-white.
- Rarity has a near-white coat too, and is the pretty one among the Mane Six.
- Princess Celestia can thus be considered a model beauty. An image to strife for.
- Ponies sunbathe, despite having furry coats. Their skin, if at all affected, would not be visible.
- Rarity, being a natural light gray, is regularly seen with a large hat or some other source of shade, and rarely if never sunbathing.
The gist of the guess: pony coats fade to white with solar over-exposure, because maybe the pigment breaks down. It takes a long time to whiten by sunbathing, and colors "grow back" relatively fast.
And here's a bonus joke miniguess related to the above: Celestia is a natural pink but always appears pale because she basically is the sun and can't help it.
Surges can also be triggered, usually accidentally, by magical strain or other events. However, they will stop the moment the foal's magic reserves run out. Twilight experiences a surge in The Cutie Mark Chronicles. Celestia had to intervene, as Twilight's magic was too strong to run out for some time.
Surges mark the aging of a foal, and over time they will slowly gain more control of them. The strength of a surge is usually limited by the level the foal's magic will reach as an adult, though it may go slightly beyond. Only very rarely does the magic of a surge reach beyond their maximum magical potential.
Pegasus foals also go through a form of surge, though they are different from those of unicorns. Like unicorns, their (flight) magic is greatly enhanced. They will be able to fly quite capably, and will often be able to carry things far larger then themselves. This wears off much slower than that of unicorns.
After each surge, a small portion of the power from it remains with them. By this process, their normal power slowly rises, though they must still be taught how to use it. Some magic from the surges is trapped, and can be accessed later in life with training, patience, and talent. Very few unicorns and pegasi realize their true power, and often bear these hidden sources for most, if not all of their lives without using or even knowing of them.
- This might apply to all species... except maybe the Timberwolves.
- Caveat on the Wonderbolt Academy example: that might have been considered lethal because there was a mountain and thus the risk of falling onto jagged rocks.
Thus, Luna and Celestia some long time ago were two extremely powerful unicorns, becoming an alicorn, pleasing the unicorn elites and the pegasus military leaders that one of "themselves" would be the ruler. Earth Ponies kind of had to "deal with it" being little more than serfs and all that jazz...
We've seen various evidence that they are physiologically adapted for at least partial/non-constant bipedalism, seeing them take positions that a pure quadruped either just plain couldn't do or couldn't do easily. They also display ranges of motion in their shoulders and hips that are closer to ours than to our-world horses & ponies.
Also, Equestrian ponies are digitigrade (the ground-touching part of their 'feet' being hoof-tips and softer fleshy pads) rather than unguligrade (the hard hoof makes up the entire ground-touching part of the foot).
- —WMG on behalf of Pip/Jolly Jack; I hope I haven't violated copyright or anything...
- Jossed in Baby Cakes (the twins have their diapers changed) and The Last Round-Up (there is an outhouse shown; and used twice).
- Genus - Equus
- Common Ancestor - Equus progenitori sapiens
- Species Zebra - Equus zebra sapiens
- Species Donkey - Equus asinus sapiens
- Species Alicorn - Equus alicornus sapiens
- Progenitor Subspecies of Modern Ponies - Equus caballio sapiens
- Earth Ponies - Equus caballio terra (also known as Equus terra)
- Unicorns - Equus caballio monoceros (also known as Equus monoceros)
- Pegasi - Equus caballio pegasi (also known as Equus pegasi)
- Perhaps the Alicorn Amulet lets a pony see into this aspect, hence why Trixie was able to put Pinkie's mouth in the trash bin. Alternatively, there are ponies who know but keep it a secret.
We're told that the world outside of Equestria does not require the maintenance Equestria does; animals take care of themselves, as does the weather. But this is not a sure thing. In case of a breakdown of the natural laws, Celestia created servants that might keep things running smoothly so she herself could focus on fixing the underlying problem. She made Equestria exempt from some of these laws so that the ponies would not forget the skills required. The ponies with mundane skills are to collect the practical knowledge of civilization so that even if all life outside of Equestria is destroyed through some cosmic SNAFU, rebuilding will be possible. They were given free will because Celestia and Luna needed the company.
- Ah, but is the Everfree Forest the norm (suggesting all lands beyond Equestria work that way) or an aberration (suggesting you could circumnavigate the Forest while remaining in Equestria)?
- Which probably means that they are all just one disease away from a global plague.
- And they know it: they are deathly afraid of Cutie Pox when Applebloom gets it.
What would make sense is if horses with both horns and wings were a highly advanced race of interstellar nomads who made it their mission to use their cosmic powers to terraform planets and seed them with life. During the founding of Equestria, the aliens could have interbred with the most compatible of the native fauna to produce generations of "little ponies" that would inherit diluted forms of their powers, enough to look after the local environment. As part of their tradition, after some time the pegacorns left the planet to seek out a new one, leaving behind only a few of their own as guardians to keep the big things like the orbits and rotations of the planets in balance. This could be because they are very vulnerable to losing their sanity and fracturing their personalities from boredom, such as what happened to Luna.
We know Princess Celestia enjoys a good prank; it's likely to be one of the ways she keeps her sanity in check. But Celestia's Magnificent Bastard side may be part of a serious plan to set up groups of ponies on tests to see if they can harness forgotten technologies like the Elements of Harmony and eventually govern the planet all on their own someday. Additionally, Celestia's extraterrestial nature would explain why she insists on keeping the title "Princess" after so many years as sole ruler: The real King or Queen of her society is still out there, only on some other planet. And her interest in Twilight Sparkle's reports on friendship may be because Celestia is compiling a sort of cultural/anthropological study on what sort of people the pegacorns have produced, and a personal account from one of them is just what's needed to make it really convincing.
- Not an accurate comparison, not all modern humans are descended from neanderthals, and those who are are hybrids. Ponies were bred from horses through inbreeding of a single species.
- Beat me to this guess.
- Probably more accurate to say equines to them are the equivalent of the primitive proto-hominid that is the common ancestor of humans, chimpanzees, bonobos, and apes. However, it's also very likely that the equine-like creature that they probably evolved from millions of years in their past was probably six-limbed. This would be necessary in order to pegasi to exist and be genetically compatible with the other two species. Evolving more limbs practically doesn't happen in nature, but it would make sense if earth ponies and unicorns lost their wings (or more accurate, they have vestigal structures where the wings would be, and they just never complete development). It's very likely that even further back, some of the earliest life on that world is six-limbed — notice all the six limbed creatures: pegasi, alicorns, dragons, griffons, hippogriffs.
- Except that in "Hearths Warming Eve", it was clear that the ponies (who were in charge of their previous land) migrated to what eventually became Equestria. Given what was said, this was before Discord or the Princesses came into the picture. They really couldn't have done that if they were enslaved; even if they had been, it would have been by the Windigoes, not by the Diamond Dogs.
- The original inhabitants were nonsentient Draconequi that produced a hallucinogenic substance that gave Ponies the ability to navigate interstellar spacecraft. After the planet was colonized by the Empire of Pony, Celestia and Luna became alicorns by consuming gratuitous amounts of it, then "ordered" the local environment in a way that caused the Draconequi — other than one smart freak — to go die out, but made it more hospitable to Ponies as part of a prescience-informed millenia-long plan to ensure that Ponykind never goes extinct. Dragons are (so far unsuccessful) attempts to engineer Draconequi that can exist in the ordered environment.
- And with that I think we've managed to cross over MLP with every major 'verse in literary history.
- In light of Hearth's Warming Eve, this can be amended thusly: The first colonists seeded were the three core tribes of ponies fighting against the chaos of the world they lived upon. The intelligence that was Discord allowed them around because it was adding one new chaotic element, and they fought among themselves, too. At the end of the play, though, we see an Equestrian flag displaying alicorns. Alicorns were not the root of ponykind. Alicorns were prophesied to emerge, a second phase of the terraforming project that would create a unified administration once the pony population was large enough. Once Luna and Celestia appeared on the scene and gave ponies real direction, Discord took notice, leading to the confrontation that utilized the Elements of Harmony. In the years that followed, Luna was banished, but because Celestia can organize all of Equestria, no more alicorns are needed from the population at this time. Phase three, once the planet is fully managed, will mean contacting the seeding population, whomever those precursors might be, so that they can live with the ponies who manage their paradise planet.
- See also "Surface Tension", a science fiction short story by James Blish.
In Beast Wars (and Beast Machines, if you want to count that), Maximals tend to take the forms of mammals, birds or fish; ponies are mammals, so it seems logical that even ponies in Equestria are viable forms for a Maximal to take. Magic could be what's left of their Cybertronian technology; which would explain how pegasus ponies can fly. Unicorns could, thusly, descend from Transmetal-2 formed Maximals or Predacons, which would explain the odd magic abilities like levitation and telekinetic abilities, as well as the rapid regeneration of injuries. Due to unknown circumstances (possibly relating to the beginnings of Equestria), they could have lost the typical appearance of Transmetal-2 Maximals or Predacons, thus explaining why they aren't more mechanical in appearance. Maximals are more democratic than Predacons, which fits well with the Equestrian idea of "friendship = magic".
The reason they don't transform is simply because they're not aware they can even transform normally. Twilight becoming an alicorn could also be an equivalent to a Transmetal Maximal becoming a Transmetal-2 Maximal, and taking the place of the Optimus (or, in this case, Celestia) would thus be a way for someone to gain the same body type as Celestia and Luna, if this were the case.
As for who could be descended from what Maximal/Predacon, it's up-in-the-air.
Rainbow Dash, while a personality match for Cheetor at first glance, is not likely to be related to him; Cheetor doesn't seem like the kind of guy who'd accidentally sell his own friend as a slave just to get a book, really. She seems closer to Rattrap, though; they both do well in stealth, they both will admit their own mistakes if required and both have another of the party that they're friendly rivals with (RD and Applejack, Rattrap and Dinobot).
Applejack would seem most fitting for Dinobot, but really she seems more like Rhinox, personally; although Rhinox is talented in "fancy mathematics", and Applejack is rather not. Outside of that quirk, they seem decently similar; both are strong, adept at what they do and have an affinity for the Earth.
Fluttershy is Tigatron, really; both in personality and voice at times; willing to put trust in people (Discord and Blackarachnia, respectively), in tune with nature, skilled fighters when required...they're pretty similar already, outside of gender, species and a few other things (Fluttershy is quite timid, unlike Tigatron). Also of note is that Blu Mankuma, Tigatron's voice actor, was also the voice of Fluttershy under the effect of Poison Joke; which, if this theory is to be considered, could be Fluttershy's own Maximal programming becoming mixed with Tigatron's, resulting in a hybrid of the two voices.
Pinkie Pie is a unique case; she doesn't seem to have any direct counterpart in the Beast Wars, so it's hard to determine what (if any) known Maximal or Predacon she could be related to. She does share some similarities to Beast Wars Megatron (the huge amount of hamming up what they say, especially), so maybe she's a distant relative of Beast-Era Megatron. Normally, that would seem ludicrous, but Megatron from the Beast Wars also had a rubber duck as one of his closest allies, so maybe the two are related in some manner.
Rarity is another oddball; she lacks a direct counterpart as well, but Airrazor could be a decent comparison, and she also shares Beast Wars Megatron's hamminess. However, there is still no direct comparisons...though her sister Sweetie Belle's voice actor is the daughter of Cheetor's, so maybe that's another connection.
Twilight seems to be a good Optimus Primal; she is the leader, after all...But really, she's closer to Dinobot than to Primal; she was initally not fond of friendship, as Dinobot was a former Predacon; but, after world-threatening events coming to light (Nightmare Moon's return and Megatron's plan to wipe out both Maximal and Predacon alike from history with the Golden Disk, respectively), both saw the error of their ways and became protagonists; the only differences coming from the fact that Dinobot ultimately died to save the world (twice, even!), and Twilight has yet to follow that idea (probably because Hasbro doesn't want that sort of idea coming to pass, since the show is, to take something from the TFWiki.net, "to sell toys").
The others are a bit harder to say; though Celestia is a relative of Optimus Primal, obviously. This is probably wildly out there, but nothing ever said that WMG had to be logical.
- Word of God confirms that pegasus and earth ponies have magical powers. While she doesn't say that flight is magical it's a safe assumption to make.
- As an extension to this it is possible that in most cases magic is providing the lift. In those cases the wings are merely acting as stabilizers and forward propulsion. We see evidence of this in Scootaloo, who has yet to master the magic required for lift but is able to use her wings for forward propulsion. Only certain Pegasi can use magic for forward propulsion, the Wonderbolts and Rainbow Dash would be examples. This is visible as the magical trails these Pegasi leave behind.This magic might also explain the Sonic Rainboom. Ponies are not very aerodynamic, so additional magic would be used to improve the aerodynamics of the Pegasus. Additional magical force would be required as forward velocity increases to prevent the Pegasus from being shredded by air resistance. After breaching the sound barrier there is a marked decrease in air resistance, so the magical energy would need to be rapidly dissipated in the form of the rainbow explosion witnessed.
Note that cloud-walking and sculpting is not explained by this; even if a pegasus reduced her mass such that the matter of a cloud was a physical obstacle, that wouldn't make her able to pick it up and manipulate it, and at any rate the air itself would be as much of an obstacle. This also implies that the main force that a flying pegasus is struggling against is not gravity but air resistance.
Some evidence:
- Rainbow Dash's mass is at least on the same order as Applejack's, or she'd have gone flying when she tried to hoof-wrassle.
- Items hauled by pegasi appear to float, but fall plenty fast when dropped.
- If the mass does not all return instantaneously, that explains how the frog that Fluttershy dropped, not to mention Twilight Sparkle, survived "Feeling Pinkie Keen".
- Rainbow Dash, Rarity and three Wonderbolts survived a near-right angle turn at supersonic (and possibly superluminal, given the Discworld magical field theory) speed. If they were close to massless due to Rainbow Dash's magic, the extreme G-forces would not have affected them.
- Fluttershy seems to have imperfect control over this ability. In episode 2, after a burst of mass compensation when she and Rainbow Dash catch Twilight Sparkle, Fluttershy undercompensates for Twilight's mass, because she's used to carrying smaller mammals. In "The Cutie Mark Chronicles", even though she couldn't gain control of her falling, she was able to reduce her mass enough that a swarm of butterflies was enough to break her fall.
- When Rainbow Dash is affected by the Poison Joke and her wings are on upside-down, she's still able to move her own weight around. This is particularly visible when she's on the floor and apparently thrust-vectoring downward into it, but it causes her to scoot across the floor as if she weighs nothing.
- The Elements of Harmony, in their aspect as big stone balls, behave as if they're very heavy when Rainbow Dash and Fluttershy carry them. Are they magic-resistant?
- This is because young Pegasi are taken away from their families to work for the princess.
- Thunderlane and Rumble in "Hurricane Fluttershy" are two pegasus brothers. Still, it may be a strong trend.
- I recall reading a reddit post stating something about "pegasus ponies are daredevils also their neck snap easily". If you watn try searching metareddit for the post using variations of the word daredevil on /r/mylittleonions, /r/mylittlenosleep, or /r/mylittlepony. I do not feel good if I can't find what I am citing.
- Jossed. As of seasons 6 and 7, we have seen Fluttershy's parents, and Rainbow Dash's parents. Both couples are Happily Married. Fluttershy even has a brother. Fluttershy's parents are a bit older and getting near retirement.
In the episode: "Fall Weather Friend" Applejack and Rainbow Dash hoof wrestled yet despite Applejack's implied Earth Pony gifts of strength, Rainbow Dash the Pegasi was able to beat her. Yet another contest of strength that used only rear leg kicks, Applejack casually demolished the machine that was supposed to measure their respective kick power, casually stating that years of Apple Bucking is what made her so strong. Yet Rainbow Dash bucks clouds so theoretically, Rainhow Dash's rear legs should get as much use.
In the episode: "Mare Do Well" Rainbow Dash has admited, without knowing it was a disguised Applejack, that Applejack was strongger than her. Perhaps over all this is true. So if Applejack, an Earth Pony strongger than Rainbow Dash, could be beaten by Rainbow Dash the Pegasi, it points to something about Rainbow having better front leg strength that may come from being Pegasi.
Once upon a time, they might have, but Pony Unification and possible Cross Breeding has introduced a chance that a Pegasi mother might give birth to an Earth Pony or a Unicorn.
Also since only Pegasi that can fly can actually stay/sleep/live on a cloud (as a poor flier like Fluttershy actually FELL through the clouds), it was probably considered a good idea to have a "Nest" on the ground and take up the Pegasi up to cloud settlements once they can fly.
- When has Fluttershy fell through a cloud? She's fallen off clouds, but not through them. Anyway, it is unlikely that Cloudsdale General Hospital has a maternity wing, but having pegasi give birth on the ground isn't much of a problem.
- A rare muscle disease, maybe? It could make their wings simply too weak to propel them.
- Propelling isn't a problem, because Scootaloo uses her wings to propel her scooter. She can't gain any lift without straining herself to Tartarus and back, and when she does, it doesn't usually last long, though that depends on whose animating and writing the episode. I think it's more a bone problem. The bones in her body or at least her wings might be more solid than a pegasus usually has, which possibly gives her movement but not lift. If this is true, then Fluttershy's problem is just confidence and meekness problems (which it's pretty strongly implied it is, anyway, since when excited or upset enough, she can fly just as well as any other pegasus).
- So, are we going with the "Pinkie pie is secretly a unicorn" one down there too, she's got a serious case of ADHD and maybe a bit of schizophrenia
- Not necessarily. "All that is gold does not glitter. All that glitters is not gold." Just because Pinkie's nuts doesn't mean she's a unicorn. She's just fourth-wall-cracking-bonkers.
- As of Season 2 Episode 3, "Lesson Zero", this theory is gaining more credence. Twilight goes absolutely batshit over the course of the episode!
- And again in "It's About Time".
- Trixie enslaved all of Ponyville (admittedly she was under the influence of an Artifact of Doom at the time.) Starlight Glimmer turned a village into a Nineteen Eighty-Four dystopia, just because a friend moved away from her hometown once. Snowfall nearly erased Hearth's Warming on a whim. And then there's of course Twilight Sparkle subjecting all of Ponyville to a horrific mind-control spell for inane reasons. In all these cases, the characters quite quickly went back to normal and were more or less Easily Forgiven. Evidently, it's perfectly normal and almost expected for powerful unicorns to become destructive, maniacal evil wizards at the slightest provocation... And considering what they can do with their spells, it's astonishing that Equestria, or at least any parts of it that are rich in talented spellcasters, still even exists.
- I though it was the image of the Elements of Harmony
- Thinking of it, this makes sense. It's a six-pointed star and we have six Elements. However, it's still a star in the shape of an unicursal hexagram.
- There's a theory in the Cutie Marks section below that proposes this is because unicorns generally have "Entertainment"-centric talents, and a sub-group of that is "Glamour", and glamour itself is synonymous in modern English with all things neat, shiny, new, and often pristine since glamour tends to be used to talk about the flashy lives of celebrities. It's not just an inherent part of their race, but the general talents of their species.
- Continuing on this, unicorn foals stop casting at the level they do because they overload their horns, making the effort too painful to pull off their incredible feats. They eventually have to relearn.
- In addition to being able to bless the land and yield food, Earth Ponies can anchor themselves to the ground, providing them with enhanced traction in concert with their natural strength, and not allowing them to be knocked off their feet through brute force. If an Earth Pony specialized in it, they could feasibly walk on inclines, vertical surfaces, or even completely upside down like any other plane, so long as they were still walking on Earth.
- Earthbending Ponies?
- This would explain how Pinkie is able to outrace Rainbow Dash even as Rainbow Dash is taking a straight line in flight and Pinkie is following the curve of the terrain.
- Donut Joe is a unicorn... And special talents seem to trump pony type when it comes to developing skills.
- Years of working out, of course. Big Mac is unusually strong, but he's unusually strong by earth pony standards, so he's not an example of what all of them can do. While the series is infamous for adjusting strength levels for a joke, earth ponies as a whole have never been portrayed as having greater strength and Applejack has never been on a plateau relative to the other Manes.
- This was confirmed in "Twilight's Kingdom". When Tirek went on his magic-stealing rampage, Celestia specifically referred to him as stealing the earth ponies' strength alongside the pegasi's flight and the unicorns' spellcasting. More generally, when exaggerated feats of strength have been portrayed on the show, it's almost always been from earth ponies (and often specific families — the Apple and Pie familes especially). Also, in some cases, years of working out aren't likely explanations. In "Crusaders of the Lost Mark", for instance, the earth pony filly who could lift the school building with her head and the earth pony colt who could pick up a seesaw with a filly on it with his teeth were both far too young for their strength to be due to years of physical work.
- In "Crusaders of the Lost Mark", there's an earth pony colt who can pick up a seesaw with his teeth and an earth pony filly who can lift the whole school building using her head as a lever. Since both are school-age children, they almost certainly didn't build up or promote their strength through physical work, which would seem to discredit this theory.
The guess here is that, in situations of extreme stress and pressure or when in very great danger, an earth pony can undergo an involuntary and automatic process where their internal magic (specifically the part that grants them Super-Strength) suddenly flares to massive levels, with a corresponding growth in their physical size. As a potential limiter on this, it might very well be that there's no way to trigger this change without being genuinely in danger of death, and it might also be that this process "burns out" an earth pony's ability to use their magic for anything besides being strong (so if the WMG about earth ponies being in tune with the land is correct, an earth pony that goes through this would lose their ability to connect with natural life in exchange for their new strength).
- Pony moodrings. They absorb and reflect the emotions of people around them. The Crystal Empire was originally formed to get away from the strife between the three tribes. Sombra's corruption was what happens when a crystal pony absorbs too many negative emotions.
- Crystal Engineers. Their partly crystal nature allowed them to understand how rocks and crystals were formed, and work them better.
- Very Fragile. They'd shatter like glass when you dropped them.
- Color Creators. Light would refract off of them, creating all the colors of the rainbow.
- Ruthless Conquerers. Sombra was actually a completely normal examaple of a Crystal Monarch, he just happened to be the first to attract the attention of Equestria.
- Long-lived. Unlike other types of ponies, Crystal Ponies are made out of minerals and are not/minimally organic. Because they don't age, they're essentially immortal until shattered or fractured. This makes them valued as living repositories of history or other knowledge.
- Earth ponies. Earth ponies with expensive hair, but otherwise just some normal dudes.
- Magic lenses. Unicorns adore gems; Fanon is because their crystal matrix makes them useful in Magitek crafting. Now imagine someone made of gems. They're capable of pure magic use like Unicorns; but it's harnessed through the entire body rather than just the horn (my reasoning is based off the Crystal Express' engine, which seems to run on magic as opposed to steam).
- They were just ordinary pegasi; they were just wearing bat-wing costumes for Nightmare Night.
- They are a different breed of pony from the pegasi, having bat wings instead of feathered wings. Seems unlikely, since we've never seen or even heard of such a fourth breed heretofore.
- Something about Luna's magic automatically gives members of her retinue a more nocturnal appearance, appropriate to the Goddess-Princess of the night.
- They're wearing enchanted armor that has a spell on it that works like the one Twilight cast on Rarity in "Sonic Rainboom" but is much stronger. Seems unlikely, however, given that the spell was so difficult that Twilight could only cast it once; a much stronger version would presumably stress even Princess Luna. Why go to all that trouble, when she could just hire naturally winged pegasi?
- Perhaps the spell to modify existing wings is much easier than the spell to make them from scratch.
- And if it is that easy (And Healthy!Luna is quite plausibly even more powerful than Filly!Twilight) there is no particular reason she couldn't cast the spell manually on each shift of guards and dismiss it when their shift ends. Depending on the exact details of how magic works in the setting, there may even be a "Transfer Spell Effect" spell, do she wouldn't have to re-cast it as often, even if it IS a difficult spell.
- They're actually magically generated constructs, same with Celestia's identical white pegasi and grey unicorns.
- Do we have any reason to think that Celestia's guards are magical constructs?
- First they all look the same, second they only appear when she is around, and third Luna being Celestia's sister, have lived for a very long time and also a fellow alicorn seems to point out that the possibility that Celestia also has the capability to shapeshift and divide like her sister can is highly likely.
- It's fairly clear that the Royal Guards are actual ponies — Shining Armor is their leader, there were guards with brown and green coats in "Rarity Investigates", we meet a retired guard in "A Flurry of Emotions" and they react to being talked to like actual sapient beings. Their uniform appearance is probably just fur dye and standardized armor, an illusion spell, or something else that makes them look identical. Going by that, it becomes a bit unlikely that Luna's guards aren't also actual ponies.
- Do we have any reason to think that Celestia's guards are magical constructs?
- They're half-dragon ponies. Normally, half-breeds are ostracized in Canterlot (if not by Celestia herself than by all those royal jerks at the Gala), but Luna, befitting her role, takes such outcasts as her own and gives them a ceremonial position of high standing in her personal court.
- Alternatively, they're vamponies.
- They're from Pranceylvania — the local Transylvania Expy. Pegasi from the region just happen to look like that; bat wings are a naturally occuring pegasus variant but a recessive trait, so we haven't yet seen the phenotype in other regions. Luna recruits all her staff from the area; later we'll see a unicorn pony in her service with a pale coat, crimson eyes, and a black mane with widow's peak (opera cloak and thick accent optional), and an earth pony with a massive build, a coat with various green and grey patches, and a shovel-like brow (scars and neck bolts optional). Like Luna, they're all actually quite nice once you look past their sinister appearance.
- They are Pegasi who were changed by Luna's powers to appear more appropriate as the guards of the Princess of the Night. But they wouldn't choose the job "royal guard of the Night Goddess" unless they were Goths or Metalheads, and either way they think their bat wings are pretty awesome. Just look at the smiles when they pull her chariot!
- They're from the moon.
- They're from the City of Tartarus, which is NOT pony Hell. There's a WMG for this in the Setting section. Though since they don't totally match their description provided, they're only half-Tartarusian.
- Jossed, insofar as, canonically, Tartarus really is an underworld where evil things are imprisoned.
- M.A. Larson and Lauren Faust, former crew members of the show, have stated on Twitter that they believe Luna's guards are a different race from Pegasi and come from "[d]eep caves inside the mountains."
The operation also affects the growth and life-span of the ponies in a negative way.
- Alternatively, all ponies go through winged unicorn phase in utero, but then hormones/magic suppressed the development of wings, horn or both.
- Cerapters aren't that uncommon. However, it's vanishingly rare for both horn and wings to develop properly if present at birth. (This explains why Cadance doesn't seem any too powerful; she isn't a Physical Goddess, just one of those lucky few.) As an excessively deformed hornbud will never grow into a proper magical focus (making such foals a danger to themselves and others), and vestigial wings without the necessary bone and muscle structure for flight (as opposed to wings like Scootaloo's, which have all of the structure but simply remain too small to achieve proper lift; that's just an uncommon but not unknown disability among pegasi), these are amputated before anything tragic can happen.
- Possibly jossed. When the Cakes had their twins in "Baby Cakes", one was a unicorn and one was a pegasus pony. It was explained that one of the parents had a unicorn ancestor and the other parent had a pegasus ancestor. If Celestia wanted to keep the ponies down by taking off wings and horns, why would they get the children of Earth ponies and only remove either the horn or the wings, and not both? That just seems weird.
- Actually, there is a science out there called embryology that studies the different forms an embryo can take. For example, up until about six weeks methinks, humans have gill slits. Who's to say that they have winglike and hornlike structures as an embryo, but if the baby is an earth pony, the structures either fall off or just go away, if it's a unicorn, the wings go away and the horn develops, and if it's a pegasus, the horn goes away and the wings further develop. Similarly, depending upon the race, the magic within it will manifest itself in different ways. An alicorn baby could be explained as having some sort of genetic disorder that activates all three forms of magic as well as wings and a horn. This disorder could also be linked with a taller build as we see ponies with a taller build (i.e. Flim and Flam, Trenderhoof, Fluer De Lis) who aren't alicorns.
This has interesting implications for Cadance. In A Canterlot Wedding, she appears to be an adult, but she seems much younger in flashbacks. Perhaps Cadance matures in cycles. While Celestia and Luna have avoided taking lovers, love is too important to Cadance for her to spend eternity alone. Therefore, every few decades, when the right colt comes along, she gets married. Of course, any relationship she was in would be a Mayfly–December Romance, and her husband would eventually die. Her grief over her partner's death would then de-age her to a child until she was ready for love again.
This would also allow Cadance to be Blueblood's mother, explaining how he fits into this whole mess.
- Blueblood, as revealed from Word of God, was meant to be a duke and not a prince. I guess Hasbro didn't think that children would understand what the title meant, or it could be that he's like a Mayor to the city of Canterlot, much like how there's a mayor of Washington, D. C. and other capital cities in America.
- Or males are considered corruptible and any alicorn born male is euthanized.
- Celestia keeps them around in case of alicorn emergencies.
- She's been getting lessons from Pinkie I see.
- But King Sombra isn't an alicorn. Just a unicorn.
- Jossed as of "Magical Mystery Cure".
- Celestia and Cadance were incapable of casting Shining Armor's shield spell, whereas Twilight Sparkle was capable of making a smaller version. Winged unicorns seem to have the same restriction of only being good at a small amount of magic, but Celestia has had the time and inclination to learn other spells.
King Sombra probably was getting close to that level up, which is why the sisters changed him to shadow and sealed him. If he became an alicorn, defeating him would be more if not as difficult as sealing Discord and he already took the brunt of their strength at the time, meaning they didn't have time to fully recharge.
- This may be partially confirmed; we know now that, officially, both Twilight Sparkle and Princess Cadance began life as normal ponies (a unicorn and a pegasus, respectively) and became alicorns as a result of interacting with powerful magic.
- As an add-on to the theory, Major Alicorns are born that way while Minor Alicorns start out as unicorns and turn into alicorns when they hit a magical peak.
If we make the analogy that the Elements of Harmony are the local equivalent of a nuke, then Starswirl might have been studying this effect, so he could reproduce it in a controlled manner. He was trying to build a magical nuclear reactor in other words. Twilight succeeded where he failed, discovered new rules, and in doing so massively amplified her available power beyond the alicorn threshold. Celestia's phrase that Twilight 'created magic' makes more sense in this context. Twilight can't create magic as such, but like a Q>5 fusion reactor, she can put out more energy than she absorbs - which sounds like a pretty good defining characteristic of an alicorn.
This is based on the theory that the "Ascension Event" that triggers the transformation actually destroys the original body of the new Alicorn (aka kills) in order to create a better "vessel" for their new power. We have only seen Twilight's ascension at the moment but Cadance's has been described as similar in one of the Expanded Universe chapter books. Basically when a proto-alicornhas their Eureka moment and kicks off the transformation they are overwhelmed with the power of their "element" and they end up in the ethereal plane/pony afterlife where their new body is constructed out of the magic they now represent. (After this point they can travel freely between the two planes which explains how Celestia met both Twilight and Cadance there during their events). Their magic now forms a corporeal "anchor" for them in order to still appear "alive".
So as long as there is a Sun, Celestia will exist. As long as there is a Moon, Luna will exist. As long as there is Romantic Love, Cadance will exist. And as long as there is true friendship, Twilight will exist.
(Note: this does cover the Word of God quote from the writing staff about Twilight not outliving her friends. As either 1. they have already outlived her as the new Twilight is a spirit being and not technically alive anymore or 2. since they are the physical representations of the elements of true friendship her existence is tied directly to theirs making them her anchor and if/when they begin to pass her anchor will weaken and fade when they do.
- Are the earth ponies officially the strongest? The show itself has never said that, and super strong ponies like Big Mac are super strong by earth pony standards. Celestia and Luna are unusually strong, but they also have greater size, life span, and magic than other ponies, including the other winged unicorns.
- Word of God confirms that Super-Strength is, in fact, at least part of the earth ponies' magic. In the actual show, when Tirek was stealing the magic of all ponies, he was specifically mentioned to be stealing the "classic" magic of the unicorns, the flight of the pegasi, and the strength of the earth ponies. As a sidenote, Big Mac is no longer the only earth pony to have Super-Strength, a couple others (Maud, the colt and filly from Crusaders of the Lost Mark) have it too.
- Also, Earth and Time are the reason Celestia and Luna are princesses and why Cadance is still a princess despite technically being the Empress of the Crystal Kingdom. Celestia and Luna might rule over the nation of Equestria (which is shown or at least implied to be a nation in "Hearths Warming Eve, where the six ponies moved from their original lands to a new one), but Earth and Time rule over the planet itself, and always have, because Earth and Time are the foundations of existence (followed by Life). They're still thought to be mythical, particularly Life. King Sombra was a king because he chose to disrespect and ignore the theoretical existence of Time, and ignore the fact that he was part of an Empire. Earth, Time, and Life rarely get involved with problems because nothing gets so bad that they have to step in, since they would logically be the most powerful beings on the entire planet, since they may have created the three things they're named after.
- Life would look suspiciously like the Fausticorn, with her cutie mark representing the way she can 'write' things into life.
Fakes, on the other hand, lack the heart, and, while powerful, aren't that strong.
Based on the depictions of the "Royal Pony Sisters" starting in Episode 1 (and depicted multiple times after that) it appears Celestia and Luna did not always have those flowing and sparkling manes. Proof of this comes from Luna in Episode 2 where she has a simple and single colored mane design. Yet they have them in flash-backs to over 1000 years ago (season 4 episodes 1 & 2). What happened?
- Celestia and Luna were born alicorns (according to the "Journal of the Royal Pony Sisters") but it takes a long time for a pony to fully understand her alicorn powers, even after they've learned their special talent (like raising the sun and moon). Celestia's mane has never changed from it's aurora colors or waviness since she fully came to understand her powers. Luna has. Right after NMM's defeat Luna was weak and powerless, she hadn't used her true alicorn magic in 1000 years and had been possessed by a horrible parasite all that time. Once she was turned back into herself again, she was weak and needed to build herself back up again before she could build up the strength of her magic once again. This is why she is now seen in her regal form, starting in Season 2.
- Cadence hasn't been an alicorn that long (according to Princess Cadence and the Crystal Heart Spell).
The conclusion drawn from this is that there has been at least one case, and likely multiple ones, of a pony ascending to alicornhood before Celestia and Luna did. Even if only a single pony in a million possesses the qualities necessary to become an alicorn, it's unrealistic to expect that there was never a single other pony over the entirety of history and the world that fit the criteria. As such, there may actually have been multiple nations and civilizations with their own alicorn rulers before Celestia and Luna became the rulers of Equestria.
- Princess Celestia's should be fairly obvious.
- Princess luna's would be the Background Mane Six (Derpy, Lyra, Octavia, Vinyl, Bon Bon, and Raindrops instead of Doctor to keep the whole "Two Earth/Pegasi/Unicorns" thing).
- If you do not consider The Crystal Heart Spell canon, and you believe Cadence was born an Alicorn, than her team would be: Golden Harvest, Minuette, Berry Punch, Twinkleshine, Flitter, and Cloudchaser.
- Why doesn't natural evolution make sense, and why can't fusion work four times consecutively?
- Seeing as this theory doesn't really apply to characters like Pinkie Pie, Twilight Sparkle, Rarity, and others, This Troper has an alternative theory for the names. at a Ponies Cutecineira, a Pony has the choice to choose a new name for themselves based on their cutie marks and special talent.
- It doesn't? Pinkamena Diane Pie's entire body is pink, and her stern rock-farming family would make a point of ignoring that their child is destined to be a party animal. Rather, they'd name her after her predominant color and the goddess of harvest. Twilight's mark is a series of stars. Twilight is when you can first see the stars at night, and they appear to sparkle. Rarity's mark is three white diamonds: think about all the gems that Spike has dug up for her, and that she dug for the Diamond Dogs—despite their name, they found many gems EXCEPT pure white diamonds. In the MLP-verse, gems are abundant-EXCEPT the one that Rarity has on her flank. Those are a...bingo, a rarity.
- I suppose white diamonds look blue? And I'm not sure how I managed to skim over Pinkie...
- Just a comment, Pinkie is not named after the goddess of harvest. The name Diane is based on the goddess Diana, goddess of the hunt and wild animals.
- It doesn't? Pinkamena Diane Pie's entire body is pink, and her stern rock-farming family would make a point of ignoring that their child is destined to be a party animal. Rather, they'd name her after her predominant color and the goddess of harvest. Twilight's mark is a series of stars. Twilight is when you can first see the stars at night, and they appear to sparkle. Rarity's mark is three white diamonds: think about all the gems that Spike has dug up for her, and that she dug for the Diamond Dogs—despite their name, they found many gems EXCEPT pure white diamonds. In the MLP-verse, gems are abundant-EXCEPT the one that Rarity has on her flank. Those are a...bingo, a rarity.
The marks often (but not always) fit their names because of outside influence, namely their families. For example, the Apple family have apple-related names and cutie marks, because they're from the beginning taught the apple farming trade and if the pony doesn't have anything in particular against doing that, they're likely to get an apple mark and continue the family business.
- In "Cutie Pox," Apple Bloom gets a (false) Cutie Mark when she does a trick where, by spinning a metal ring around her tail really fast, allows her to fly like a helicopter. The Mark takes the form of a pair of grey disks with lines going down from the center. When she gets down, though, it is interpreted as meaning that she has skill at spinning plates. So Cutie Marks are at least somewhat up for interpretation.
- Wait, so even cannonically Twist is the worst pony?
- Considering that Applebloom seemed to have completely dropped Twist as a friend ever since she initially got her Cutie Mark, one wonders if that may be the catalyst for losing her way, or even that she may be purposely suppressing it. Applebloom did seem to be poor Twist's one and only friend.
- That could explain why that one farmer pony at the Grand Galloping Gala had no cutie mark - he can't have gone all that time without finding his special talent, could he?
- Huh... but the whole point of a cutie mark is to be unique sure, there are similar ones, or even repeats, but everypony assigns the meaning of them anyway.
- What I meant was, when a pony finds anything they are good at when they are elementary school age the princess sends out a neutralizing cutie mark representing the talent, and it makes it so that is what they are supposed to do forever.
- But when a pony gets a cutie mark, it doesn't make it so their cutie mark talent is the only thing they can do. Many of the ponies have talents other than their "special one", and there isn't anything to imply that the "special" one is the only one they can make a living off of. For example, Scootaloo's special talent is scooter stunts, (even if she doesn't know it yet, it is obvious) but she's also a good dancer. Fluttershy is good with animals, but she's also great at sewing. Applejack may work on a farm, but she's also shown to be athletic and good at sports.
- Given that Discord seems intent on causing as much pain as possible to everypony he meets, it's hardly "unfair" to take the kingdom from him.
- You are giving the Ron the Death Eater treatment to Celestia. Forgive me if I find it literally impossible to think this could conceivably be the case.
- What I meant was, when a pony finds anything they are good at when they are elementary school age the princess sends out a neutralizing cutie mark representing the talent, and it makes it so that is what they are supposed to do forever.
- Sort of confirmed. We've seen plenty of moments showing characters being good at things other than the skill represented by their cutie mark. Fluttershy is good at sewing, Applejack is good at various sports, etc.
- Twilight Sparkle's talent is magic, and her virtue is her dedication and discipline.
- Pinkie Pie's talent is throwing parties, and her virtue is her capacity for joy.
- Applejack's talent is running Sweet Apple Acres, and her virtue is being true to herself.
- Rainbow Dash's talent is flying, specifically flying with enough skill and speed to produce a sonic rainboom, and her virtue is her love for achieving the best she can.
- Rarity's talent is designing clothes, and her virtue is her ability to find the beauty in everything and share that beauty with others.
- Fluttershy's talent is her skill at working with animals, and her virtue is her patience and understanding.
A pony may discover their talent first, and then earn their cutie mark when they discover their virtue (like Rarity, who already wanted to be a fashionista, but had to find the beauty in a rock and share it with others at the school show), or they may discover their virtue and then their talent (like Twilight who was already dedicated, but had to realize her raw power), or they may discover both simultaneously (like Fluttershy who discovered her liking for animals and her ability to communicate with them all at once).
This is why the Cutie Mark Crusaders cannot earn their cutie marks. They already acknowledge their talents, but have not discovered their virtues. For example, Sweetie Belle knows that she is a talented singer, but will not be able to get a singing cutie mark until she realizes either how much singing means to her or how her singing can touch others.
- It would certainly explain why there just so happened to be a fencer in full dueling gear, a block of marble standing in the middle of town, and lions that needed taming...
- What about the hula-hooping, plate-spinning, tap-dancing, and French-speaking? None of those were jobs that needed to be done.
- Not every cutie mark pertains to a job. The hoop and the plates happened to be lying around, and tap-dancing and French-speaking were contingencies for when there aren't enough props around for tricks. Or you could chalk it up to Rule of Funny.
- There was that tornado cutie mark though that had no purpose other than to force Apple Bloom to spin uncontrollably.
- A limited form of wind-based magic, perhaps? A tornado could be really useful in a fight.
- A lot of the talents presented would be great for a bard, adventurer, or crusader.
- Nightmare Fuel
- With serious potential for Black Comedy.
- So it's like Story of the Blanks?
- Alternately, Cheerilee had scheduled some physical exercise for later that afternoon, and when she saw Apple Bloom's new cutie mark, decided to leverage it into an earlier-than-planned workout.
- Cheerilee is a child of the 80s, after all. Maybe it was nostalgia for her youth.
- Confirmed!
- Wouldn't this mean Twilight's mark is on the lowest level in strength? I like this theory, with the addendum that single-symbol marks (Doctor Whooves, Octavia, maybe ponies like Luna and Peppermint Twist depending on whether their marks, for example, are considered one peppermint-twist heart and a moon or two overlapping candy canes and a moon-and-cloud) are strong but focused, and ponies with the highest number of marks (Twilight, Derpy) basically get blank check marks, and Twilight's magic is only strong because of her intense studying and focus (remember, her new inherent spells, her new learned spells, and even some of her old-but-less-used spells take a lot out of her). Celestia is... a problem for this theory, unless she can do so many things related to the ruling of Equestria because she's a (reigning) princess or because she's an alicorn. Hilariously, this implies that Snips and Snails are the absolute best at what they do, and that what they do is stupidly specific (like cutting but not styling hair).
- I tend to view Twilight's as a single symbol, rather a mixture of stars, putting her at the highest level. Snips special talent is probably the ability to cut anything. Snails is either a negative cutie mark where he's just really slow, or possibly represent the ability to slow anything down with his unicorn magic.
- This is quite possible the most random theory I've seen on the FiM pages. It's interesting, true, but given how abstract cutie marks are in the show, it relies more on coincidence than anything else. This theory applies more meaning to the cutie marks than they really have, as well as asserting that all talents have a meaningful strength value, which has a couple of problems, especially since we don't actually know what the special talents of most ponies are. Even with the Mane cast, only Twilight's talent was put into words, leaving the rest open for interpretation. There's also the question of just how one quantifies the number of parts in a designnote . On the whole, an interesting plot idea, just really out of left field.
- Er, Pinkie Pie's cutie mark are three balloons. Her talent making others smile and laugh - and she's so skilled at it that she can break the laws of nature (and the fourth wall) when dictated by the Rule of Funny.
- Admit it, your mind stopped and went in the wrong direction just before you got to the words "the yeast".
There are many other examples if you keep your eye out, but these are the most obvious/important.
- 1) Prince Blueblood's cutie mark is a compass rose, which implies a navigation or cartography related talent, if you apply a literal interpretation. 2) The only unicorn that we know has a talent related to magic is Twilight Sparkle.note 3) The exam proctors from Twilight's entrance exam didn't have star shaped cutie marks. 4) Astronomy related cutie marks seem to be related to nobility.note
- 1) Not necessarily, that's just one interpretation. And who's to say his talent doesn't involve both magic and navigation? 2) That doesn't mean she's the only one. 3) Their talent may not have been magic. Cheerilee's talent isn't directly related to anything she teaches. Besides, magic-talents might all become wizards, leaving only the others to be teachers. 4) That's just another theory, not necessarily true. And when I read that one, I actually considered it to be directly related, considering all of the nobility we've seen so far (and I'm pretty sure all of the Canterlot natives period) are unicorns.
- Prince Blueblood could be a pony version of Prince Henry the Navigator. He possible could have called for the settlement of Appleloosa, and could have created trade routes to other kingdoms with the help of the Princesses.
- 1) The point was that he doesn't have a star cutie mark. 2) She's the only pony known to have magic as her special talent, meaning that there isn't enough evidence to prove a link based off of her cutie mark. Especially since it's abstract enough that it isn't necessarily a star, just a flash of light.note 3) Cheerilee works with children on a variety of subjects at a basic level. The magic test proctors would be teaching a specific subject at a higher level, requiring a good deal of knowledge and ability at it. Being a magic teacher is no more incompatible with being a magician than being a math professor is incompatible with being a mathematician.
- 1) While it should be pointed out that Blueblood's compass rose is decidedly star-like, his special talent may have more to do with social position. 2) We do actually have two other unicorns with magic-related talents: Shining Armor (cutie mark of a shield with a star, having three stars above it) and The Great And Powerful Trixie (cutie mark of a star wand sprinkling 'pixie dust'). Of course, given Star Swirl the Bearded, this could be a cultural matter as well; ponies would naturally connect stars with Star Swirl. 3) Quite true. The school was for gifted unicorns, though, so it presumably teaches more than just magic. 4) Hard to say, really, since we so rarely see any pony acknowledged as being nobility.
- 2) Do they actually have magic-related talents? Shining Armor could just as easily have defense as his talent rather than magic, and all we know about Trixie's talent is that she's better at telling stories than casting spells.
- 1) Not necessarily, that's just one interpretation. And who's to say his talent doesn't involve both magic and navigation? 2) That doesn't mean she's the only one. 3) Their talent may not have been magic. Cheerilee's talent isn't directly related to anything she teaches. Besides, magic-talents might all become wizards, leaving only the others to be teachers. 4) That's just another theory, not necessarily true. And when I read that one, I actually considered it to be directly related, considering all of the nobility we've seen so far (and I'm pretty sure all of the Canterlot natives period) are unicorns.
- It would make sense when symbolism is taken into account.
- Do Asian ponies get kanji marks?
- They're going through a midlife crisis.
- They want to feel young again and Cutie Marks are like the equivalent of puberty, so being a Blank Flank is harking to a time before then.
- They're actors so they might need to have a new mark painted on for a specific role.
- Expanding on this, fake Cutie Marks might be a business (probably the equivalent of fake tattoos.
- Jossed in Magical Mystery Cure.
- And for bonus points, The sacrum (A triangular bone in the pelvis) was thought to contain the soul, which would be very close to the flank of a pony...
A Cutie Mark is really a representation of what that pony loves above all else. Lets look at the Mane Six for example. Twilight loves magic more than anything else, Rarity loves gems, and Fluttershy animals. Sometimes the marks are abstract, like with Pinkie Pie, Applejack and Rainbow Dash. Applejack loves her family and her home more than anything, so her mark is apples. It has been stated several times that Pinkie lives to see her friends smile, and the first time she managed to do that was at a party. Rainbow Dash's love of fast flying is shown by her rainbow lightening-bolt – a common representation of speed. The mark appears when the pony realizes their passion for that field, and if you love something so much than of course you're going to do it a lot and get better and better at it, which is why it's often mistaken for talent. It makes more sense with ponies like Diamond Tiara or Snails, as shiny jewelry and a mollusk hardly seem like talents to me.
- That's what the canon explanation said. Representing destiny has always been the wild guess. And special talents are what the pony likes, otherwise they wouldn't bother to develop it.
- Rarity has at least twice referred to a Cutie Mark as destiny, once when talking about her own Cutie Mark, and again when calling Sweetie Belle out in "Ponyville Confidential". Fluttershy also calls it "destiny" in "Magical Mystery Cure". It's at least an in-universe belief that a Cutie Mark is destiny. It's hard to say what Diamond's and Snails' Cutie Marks mean just looking at them. Diamond Tiara's talent might be akin to Rarity's, where she's good at finding the perfect tiara, and Snails might be good at caring for snails. Silver Spoon might just have a talent for cutlery. Not everyone has a talent that isn't mundane. Bubbles aren't exactly a talent either, but yet, Derpy.
- More of a clue as to one's path to self-actualization.
Unicorns: Glamour (Rarity, Fleur-dis-Lee, Fancy Pants, Hoity Toity, Photo Finish, Snips, Lyra, Lyrica, Jet Set, Uppercrust, Sweetie Belle, Trixie), Stars (Orion, Twinkleshine, a ridiculous number of background Unicorns), Magic (Twilight, Trixie, Starswirl the Bearded, Sunset Shimmer, Cadance)
Pegasi: Athletics (Rainbow Dash, Scootaloo, Bulk Biceps, the Wonderbolts, Hoops, Score, Billy Dumbbell), Weather (Sunny Days, Thunderlane, more background pegasi than you can shake a stick at)
Earth Ponies: Shopkeeping (Davenport, Daisy, Roseluck, Lily, the Cakes, pretty much any shopkeeper in Ponyville as I recall), Food (the Cakes, Bon Bon, Berry Punch, Berry Pinch, the Apples, and being ponies, Lily, Roseluck, and Daisy), Time (Doctor Whooves/Time Turner, Colgate/Minuette, the Master pony, a surprising number of background Earth ponies), Heavy labour (the ponies who pull the train, the conductor, stagecoach ponies, the construction ponies from "Mysterious Mare Do Well", Apple Bloom, Big Mac)
Or, when you REALLY get right down to it, Unicorns have "Entertainment"-based talents, Pegasi have "Physical" talents, and Earth Ponies have "Skill" talents, as in necessary skills for living. If they're born one type and their special talent is more adherent to another type of pony, they're not as likely to find their Cutie Marks as their schoolmates, with exceptions in Snails and the CMC; the former probably got his by chance, and the latter are just too in denial to see their talents. A pony whose talents are part of a different talent set entirely might be a blank flank as an adult because s/he lacked the ability to gain access to another talent set where their talents lay.
- But alicorns are all 3 pony types.
- This makes no biological sense. Everyone has half of the genetic heritage of their mother and half of their father's — the amount of siblings or cousins or what have you that your parents did or did not have is irrelevant. Also, as stated, this fails to account for the alicorns also being part earth pony.
- Rainbow Dash's cutie mark is an allusion to the Sonic Rainboom which, at least initially, can only be achieved when she's being true to some part of herself, whether it's her competitive spirit or her loyalty to her friends.
- Pinkie Pie's cutie mark reflects her cheerful, Genki Girl, personality
- Rarity's cutie mark is somewhat symbolic; she desires to achieve wealth, but she also enriches the lives of everyone around her by sharing it.
- Twilight's cutie mark reflects the fact that she plays a key role in unlocking the "magic" of friendship, by coming out of her shell and being a good friend.
- Applejack's cutie mark reflects her love for her family and the land, and her willingness to adhere to tradition
- Fluttershy's cutie mark reflects her gentleness and compassion, and her love of all creatures.
Beyond this fitting with how a lack of cutie mark is treated in the Cutie Mark Crusaders episodes, one of the episodes of the season 5 shows the following equation:"= ?" Foreshadowing?
There's two examples of this that we've so far seen in the show: the Rainboom incidents that revealed to the Mane Six their talents and marks and the formation of the CMC's major life quest to help others find and understand their cutie marks.
The Mane Six would later go on to meet and become the force for defending Equestria from threats, as well as allowing the 'birth' of the alicorn Princess of Friendship (Twilight's ascension) and her "Friendship Council" who will be sent across the world to right 'Friendship Problems' as necessary.
From what we've seen during the CMC's adventures and Starlight Glimmer's little town, there's still a great deal of confusion about cutie marks and what they mean. Trouble Shoes spent years believing he was just trouble until the CMC met him and he's a fully grown stallion. Diamond Tiara knew basically what her mark meant, but not how to properly make use of it until the CMC got involved. There's still a great deal of snobbery against 'blank flanks' which adds pressure to young fillies and colts to find their mark.
Having gone through the bullying and the longing to discover their marks, the CMC know what it's like. They gained their marks together because Equestria needed someone to help the understanding of cutie marks in both acquisition and purposes become stronger so fewer ponies would need to suffer as Trouble Shoes and Diamond Tiara did. The CMC are at the beginning of a journey of growth that the Mane Six have already gone through.
Similar to photos, they are a image of a pony, and similar to photos, they don't change. Beyond that, this explains the cases where a pony is apparentlycontrolled by their cutie mark, and their association with destiny.
- When "The Fault in Our Cutie Marks" actually came out, it pretty decisively stated that no, griffons cannot get cutie marks. It seems that they're a part of pony biology after all.