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Shared Universes, Ponies, Equestria, Equestrian Culture, Science and Magic, Other Species (Changelings, Dragons)
Shared Universes, Ponies, Equestria, Equestrian Culture, Science and Magic, Other Species (Changelings, Dragons)
Scaly fire-breathing reptiles, ponies don't have much concrete information on them, so guesses appear.
It is possible that, like other reptiles, dragons are able to take care of themselves nearly from birth. They are in constant danger of being eaten by their bigger relatives. Princess Celestia realized this and how intelligent dragons are, and so is creating a mutually symbiotic relationship between her students (to give them an assistant and teach them leadership skills) and baby dragons (who learn from their pony and get protection from their larger kin) to make everyone happy.
It's uncertain what happens when Spike grows up. Maybe Celestia is pulling a Baron Wulfenbach, making it so the next generation of dragons is fully of friendly allies to the ponies?
- So dragons are Eevees?
- Spike actually assumes the form from "The Cutie Mark Chronicles" for a moment during "Secret of My Excess". It happens when he destroys Sugarcube Corner.
- Technically speaking, we don't know for sure if the forms we've seen are Spike's actual potential adult forms, and it's quite possible that all forms except for the greed-induced growth spurt aren't actual adult forms Spike can actually take — the "knight" form was only seen in an Imagine Spot and could likely be nothing more than a fantasy on Spike's part, and the third form was technically just baby Spike being made gigantic by filly Twilight's magic surge. That said, given the great deal of difference in appearance and behavior between Spike's greed-growth form and the other dragons seen in the show, it's likely that there are other factors in play besides simple greed — perhaps a dragon that grows in a slower and more sedate pace (as in actually going through a period of natural puberty rather than turning giant in an hour or less) will mature in a healthier way and retain greater mental faculties, as well as being able to grow wings.
A Dragon Knight is always fantastically brave, generous and devoted to the protection of the ones he loves and cares for — qualities that are absolutely necessary to transcend the feral dragon instincts and to become a Dragon Knight in the first place.
While a dragon whelp displays at least the same potential for intelligence as any pony, when raised by a dragon, they will only be as intelligent as the dragon raising them for obvious reasons.
When a dragon whelp becomes of age, he experiences a greed and growth surge (as depicted in "Secret of My Excess") which leads him to fight his mother (and siblings if available) for the hoard and the lair. The losers are either killed or flee the battle to try and find a new lair. Possibly the dragon shown in Dragonshy was uprooted like this. The hoard in the cave may not have been originally its own — perhaps it was left there from the death of the previous owner.
Only in absence of gold and jewelry nearby will a whelp start collecting anything else it can put its claws on.A dragon's greed surge eventually resides to manageable levels. Only after this does the dragon truly mature, gaining wings and regaining a certain level of sentience. For the rest of their life, their main activity will be protecting their hoard. It is possible that from that point on a dragon's intelligence increases all throughout its life, therefore extremely ancient dragons may become as intelligent as ponies, if not more.
- Unlikely, given Ember was apparently raised by her father.
- Jossed at least in part. Scorch, in "Gauntlet of Fire", seems to have raised his daughter Ember himself, and they're physically similar enough, especially in the shape of their horns, that their relationship is almost certainly biological.
Continuing that line of thought, Spike's pony upbringing has actually stunted his growth. On the upside, he's unusually well-educated and socialized by dragon standards.
- It could make sense. Humans stay in baby/child phase for much longer than other species. While it does leave young humans more vulnerable, babies and children can learn new things a lot faster. By staying as children longer, they have more time to learn new things. With most animal species, the young learn new things a lot better, so it's completely plausible that Spike will learn more than most dragons can because he stays in a younger state longer.
Zecora's explanation seems to suggest that Giant!Spike results in the way he does because he is able to hoard as much as he pleases without being held back. Were Spike able to gather a hoard with some limitations (Rarity knows what's worth keeping, and they kind-of share a love of gems) we may see a different result. If this episode did show dragon puberty — on a warped, quick scale — then Twilight can't keep Spike a baby forever. They're going to have to find some way of managing it while he's living among ponies in a place with a lot to get his attention.
The ponies didn't know how Spike would react to being given so much, so quickly, or that he would come to the conclusion he could just take. If they'd known — and Twilight should have been made aware her adopted son was such a risk — they would have reacted differently and Spike may not have had this destructive growth-spurt. On the other hoof, if Ponyville had known they needed to treat their little dragon differently for fear of him turning into an uncontrollable monster…the poor little guy may not have been able to stay in the first place. (Also, Celestia, you had to have known about this? Why didn't you tell Twilight?).
- Spike wasn't really mindless, he just wasn't interested in talking. He was clearly capable of understanding everypony that talked to them, and actually used a fairly clever trick to disable the Wonderbolts instead of just trying his fire breath. Spike was actually talked down without being stared into submission first, even if it took Rarity to do it. And while we haven't seen how other dragons act when they're not guarding their hordes, the reactions of Fluttershy and Rarity imply that Spike was acting as expected.
- That, or female look and sound VERY much like guys and come mating season they have to check if they have the correct biological partner.
- Jossed. Ember, Smolder and an unnamed background dragon in "Gauntlet of Fire" are all clearly female.
Along the other path, we get Eastern dragons. They take even longer to grow up(thousand years, anyone?) and never gather a hoard. They instead learn wisdom and knowledge taking the long way around, and when they finally reach maturity are some of the smartest and wisest being in Equestria. Spike is on the first steps of this road, having been raised by ponies and now rejected dragon society. One possible "smart" dragon is Discord. He is not actually what everyone thinks he is, but an ancient dragon driven insane by the tide of years, until he broke under his chaotic duties and tried to take over. His appearance does resemble many Eastern dragon traditions, albeit all at once.
- This would still result in a fairly even split as each dragon cycles through physical sexes, though.
- Perhaps dragons must ingest gemstones in order to fuel their fire.
- Or to mimic the dragon from Beowulf.
- The dragon in "Dragonshy" seems to use his mostly as a bed
- However, the dragon on "Owl's Well That Ends Well" seems to confirm this
- I think they do so as a mating display. Older dragons don't really consume gems but like to display them for potential mates because a large hoard can be used to feed many offspring (or given dragon longevity, feed an offspring for a long time). That's why older dragons hoard gems while Spike tries to eat them every chance he gets when not trying to impress Rarity. In fact, Spike helping Rarity with the gem accumulation might be a subconscious mating display.
- Or perhaps it's because Twilight temporarily aged him up into an adult when her power went out of control?
- It's also possible that dragons simply have a language all their own. The dragon in "Dragonshy" certainly seemed intelligent enough and displays a myriad of different complex attitudes and expressions that suggest intelligence (including sarcastic skepticism) and even tries to rationalize his actions (albeit somewhat poorly). He started communicated in the pony's tongue because he was forced to. If anything, dragons seem to be slightly more intelligent than ponies (the number of learned skills Spike alone possesses is ridiculous, and he's just a baby) as none of the ponies seem to be able to communicate with any other creature in their own tongue.
- "Secret of My Excess" gives us a nice bit of background into how dragons work in Equestria. The greedier (and more mature) Spike got, the more animalistic he became. As a baby, he spoke normally, as an adolescent, he resorted to Hulk Speak, and as an adult, he just roared. The implication seems to be that while dragons have the potential to function and speak on pony levels, it becomes harder and harder to do so as they mature, which might be why the dragon from "Dragonshy" spoke in a rather forced, childish manner.
- Going by "Dragon Quest", "Gauntlet of Fire" and Seasons 8 and 9 in general, it's clear that dragons are fully sapient beings throughout their lives, and they definitely have an ordered society, if one that's not quite as... organized as most.
- They tend to have hoards, many times what they could logically carry.
- The dragon from "Dragonshy" per example, had a hoard large enough to comfortably use as a bed.
- Similarly, the dragon in "Owl's Well That Ends Well" has an entire cave full of gemstones.
- They occasionally move to new places.
- The dragon from "Dragonshy" was mentioned as having recently moved to the mountain near ponyville. Additionally, the end of the episode clearly states he went to find a new place to hold his nap.
- Dragons are at the very least capable of some inherent magic
- More specifically, their relatively small wingspan implies they use some other means of propulsion for flight.
- Also, the fire itself.
- For one thing, they would have to eat tons and tons of high-calorie food, just for a single blast of fire.
- Second, Spike's green fire suggests that maybe, the fire is not the result of a chemical reaction.
- Dragons are EXTREMELY protective of their hoards.
- "Dragonshy's" dragon per example, responded to Rarity's suggestion to let her take it from him by practically kicking her out of his cave.
- "Owl's" dragon responded to Spike eating a few gems (and, admittedly, his challenge) by making what appeared to be a very serious attempt at killing Spike.
Add to this that Spike has also shown the capability of sending (small) objects by fire (ending of "Griffon the Brush-Off"), and a logical conclusion would be that dragons use their fire in nature for two things (other than combat/self defence/fun):
- Quickly sending new additions to their existing hoard.
- Moving their hoard without having to carry it.
In turn, this could possibly mean that Spike somehow sees Princess Celestia as his hoard (awkward), but also that somehow the Princess reverse-engineered his natural abilities to use him as a sentinent, living fax-device.
- On that note, that Monarchy/Hierocracy could be more on the lines of Dragons who gave up their greediness for something greater (a family, for example) and could be more on the lines of a Proud Warrior Race, whereas Equestria's Hat could be more on the lines of diplomacy and peacefulness, explaining why Garble referred to Princess Celestia as a namby-pamby Pony Princess, because she and her race never goes to war. Though there is a reason as to why they don't. That being said, this Dragon Kingdom/Hierarchy could have relations with Equestria that could equate to the relationship Gondor has with Rohan, meaning that they would respond when Equestria most needed their help in a form of Gondor Calls for Aid, explaining Spike's presence as a member of Equestria's citizens.
- Pretty much confirmed in "Gauntlet of Fire". Dragons seem to have what can be described as a meritocratic absolute monarchy with term limits led by a Dragon Lord, who serves as the absolute leader of the dragons until their term is up (and given how long dragons live, these terms are likely very long, probably centuries or more in length), and disobeying the current Lord doesn't even seem to occur as a possibility to dragons, likely out of respect for having overcome the challenges for achieving this position and/or fear of the power/cunning necessary to do so. Any dragon can compete to become a Dragon Lord, and the contest itself is likely different each time, going by Scorch's comment that he designed the episode's Gauntlet himself.
- Dragons protect Diamond Dogs, and in return, they provide gemstones.
- Probably Jossed in Dragon Quest. The dragon migration had numbers probably ranging in the millions. However, this may only apply to flying dragons.....
- Millions is a bit of an exaggeration, there were at least hundreds of them, but there is no way to tell if that was the world population, or a fraction of it.
- Given the "Here be dragons" line on the published map, those were probably all the dragons coming from north of Ponyville. Or heck, just the ones that passed through the Ponyville area, and there were other migrations elsewhere over Equestria. I get the feeling that most ponies are fairly ignorant of lifeforms outside their realm.
- Millions is a bit of an exaggeration, there were at least hundreds of them, but there is no way to tell if that was the world population, or a fraction of it.
- Jossed, as Spike seems to belong to the same species as every other dragon.
- We've met two adults, one of whom only got violent when he was attacked. Sure he may be a bit of a jerk for not moving when asked, but it's not his fault he snores and moving everything you own is a huge pain. (The other was totally a jerk though.) The others they've interacted with could just be jerks because they're stupid teenagers who were clearly allowed to run around and do whatever they wanted without supervision to rein them in. Who knows how they'll behave once they mature. So I agree, we just haven't gotten a chance to meet the upstanding citizens of their species.
- Wingless Dragons — Spike's race, maybe have some connection with ground, animals and plants.
- "Animals" like ponies, perhaps?
- Make sense, this probably reason why Unicorns hatch wingless dragon eggs and (maybe) keeping them as Familiars (if Spike is not only one)
- Or possibly the Wingless Dragons have some sort of pact or agreement the ponies, supplying them with some of their eggs so the ponies can raise the dragons to defend them from some of the larger, nastier creatures out there. I can't imagine just what the dragons get out of this arrangement though.
- Spike is great example, he like being with ponies, he feels natural with them, he even have crush on one pony, also he is good with animals (he takes care of Fluttershy pets in Dragonshy), and he treat Bloomberk as character just like AJ.
- "Good" with animals? When he see him at the end of the episode, he's at his wit's end, particularly with Angel.
- Well, Angel has been known to occasionally be a jackass even to Fluttershy, and if one pony is good with animals then it MUST be Fluttershy.
- Regardless of whether wingless dragons do or do not exist, Spike himself isn't one of them, as his wings grew in in "Molt Down".
- "Animals" like ponies, perhaps?
- Winged Dragons — like Red and Green ones, probably can walk on clouds and control weather.
- Horned Dragons — unseen, with some magical powers (maybe like Dragons from D&D).
- Water Dragons — Steven Magnet kind, they don't need to have hair.
- Alternatively, Water Dragons ARE the Dragon equivalent to Unicorn Ponies. Steven at least certainty is magical...
- ...Pandas have been genetically proven to be bears. Anyway, those "Eels" are known as "Quarry Eels", but the theory that they could really be dragons is still valid.
- The Quarray Eels could really be anything, not just dragons. They could be sea serpents adapted to life on land, mere land-dwelling eels, the heads of a single monster…
- He is shown to be different from the other dragons in the series not just in appearance, but in other attributes as well. He seems to be more "magical", and in "Party of One" we can see him floating. He's short and stocky because he's a baby, but as he gets older he'll get longer and thinner, more strongly resembling the Eastern dragons we commonly see.
- I don't know if this would make the guess Jossed, but in "Secret of my Excess", Spike's huge adult form is more or less a puffy, wingless variety of the usual dragon.
- Spike could be a crossbreed.
- I don't know if this would make the guess Jossed, but in "Secret of my Excess", Spike's huge adult form is more or less a puffy, wingless variety of the usual dragon.
- Jossed. He's by all appearances a perfectly regular dragon — dragons just grow their wings during puberty. The bit in "Party of One" was never replicated afterwards and just seems to have been Cartoon Physics.
- We have yet to see any other dragons like Spike. He is wingless, small, and has multiple adult forms.
- To be fair, we don't know if the ones we've seen are all actual adult forms — the greed-induced growth spurt aside, the "knight" form was only seen in an Imagine Spot and the third form was technically baby Spike being made gigantic by filly Twilight's magic surge.
- As of "Molt Down", Spike has wings like all other dragons — apparently, they grow in as part of draconic puberty.
- Spike does not act like other dragons, and is shown to have more compassion and control.
- However, this could be a case of nurture versus nature.
- None of the other magic users in this show have assistants like Spike, not even Sunset Shimmer. Not even Celestia.
- It's already been guessed that the entrance exam for the unicorn school shown in Cutie Mark Chronicles was an impossible test to see how unicorns would hold up under pressure. What if that was not even a dragon egg given to Twilight, but a rock or gem stand-in? Twilight would have forced her own imaginary version of a dragon to come to life from it, which would explain his erratic and distinctly non-dragon-like behavior — Twilight admits that she knows very little about dragons.