Pre-trailer release
We've seen how the Oxygen Destroyer wipes out all life within a particular perimeter, but remember they deployed it presumably in the Gulf of Mexico where the Deepwater Horizon Oil Spill occurred. The combination of Godzilla's leftover radiation, Oxygen Destroyer, and remnants of oil could create Hedorah from that.
- Also remember that there are extremophile bacteria and anaerobic (Meaning they thrive without oxygen) bacteria in existence that could have survived the Oxygen Destroyer and thrived...
- Jossed. For now.
“One will fall” doesn’t nessecarily mean dying. It could mean that one merely loses the fight and gets knocked out cold. The 2/16 trailer implies the one who falls is Kong.
- Confirmed, both Godzilla and Kong survive the film.
This one ties to the theory above and the Mechagodzilla theories.
Basically, Godzilla’s rampages are not targeting humanity as a whole, but are mainly focused on Apex/Monarch. Note that his behaviour is an angry beeline to his target rather than mass destruction. Mothra’s death being fresh on his mind, Big G would be understandably furious after sensing Ghidora’s presence again. His motive being trying to hunt down the true villain of the movie: Ghidora/Mechagodzilla. Unfortunately, Godzilla has to become the “nessecary destruction” aspect of protecting the balance of nature to do this.
Thus the conflict between Kong and Godzilla is because Kong is unwittingly (and repeatedly) getting in the way of Godzilla’s mission.
Everything comes to a head after Godzilla knocks Kong out when Godzilla FINALLY finds his query, coming in for the kill when both Titans are weakened. This leads to Kong and Godzilla teaming up to fight Mechagodzilla when Kong wakes up. Both survive the fight.
- Confirmed. Godzilla is attacking Apex, specifically the bases where they've been working on Mechagodzilla, so he can destroy it. Or more specifically, the remnants of Ghidorah that exist within it.
- Confirmed (more or less) by the trailer.
- Zig-Zagged. Godzilla's only real interest is destroying Apex's Mechagodzilla and the Ghidorah remnants that empower it. He just never really cares about collateral damage at the best of times, and with Apex keeping Mechagodzilla secret, all the public sees is Godzilla attacking humans for no reason.
- Alternatively, the aforementioned migration is under the direction of Godzilla as a way of sheparding the other Titans to a place where they can stay and not be in humanity's way, only to have Kong treat it as essentially a home invasion.
- Jossed. Aside from some Hellbats in the Hollow Earth, Kong only fights Godzilla and Mechagodzilla.
Certain points were made in Godzilla: King of the Monsters (2019) with what could be done with Kaijus, one of the specific things being DNA. Why put emphasis on this and, Ghidorah's vampiric draining abilities that were taken from Godzilla: Final Wars, and the bio-terrorists acquiring Ghidorah's head without raising the possibility of Monster X?
- Given that it's seemingly the least intelligent head of the trio that survives, I doubt the terrorists
- Jossed. Ghidorah's tease from the King of the Monsters stinger leads into Mechagodzilla here.
- The head that survives isn't the *cruel* head, it's the dopey head. So any regenerated Ghidorah being "more cruel, sadistic and unpredictable" seems unlikely when the sole surviving head was the least cruel and sadistic of the three, and more the outright least intelligent.
- Jossed.
- Jossed. For now.
- Jossed. Jonah and company are not present.
- Jossed.
- Partly confirmed; Godzilla is indeed more hostile to humans now, but Mothra isn't in this film.
- Yes and no. While the titans team up, ir is only after the fight has a definitive winner
- Implicitly confirmed. Godzilla wins the fight, but Kong remains defiant, and Godzilla then leaves him battered but alive (or possibly leaves Kong to die since he's near-fatally injured).
- Jossed
- Jossed
Godzilla's main team could be the classics: Rodan, Mothra, and Anguirus. while Kong's main team could be the new titans: Behemoth, scylla and Methuselah
- This massive fight between two alphas and the damage they cause may end up scaring monarch to be more proactive in reining the Titans and enter the ring with Mechas to become the new alpha.
- Jossed; unfortunately, the other Titans have returned to dormancy
- This looking more likely after the trailer's release.
- Partly confirmed. Godzilla is rampaging during the film because he can sense Mechagodzilla as a new rival to his dominance, and the film seems to hint that between that and humans removing another rival alpha from Skull Island for reasons that Godzilla isn't fully aware of, Godzilla really is a bit pissed at humanity for so dramatically failing to learn from the events of King of the Monsters.
- Jossed. That being said, the novelization states Jonah has somehow gotten his hands on a second Ghidorah skull, prompting speculation that he could've cloned Ghidorah or the head could've partly regrown Ghidorah and Jonah could be harvesting the creature in its incomplete state.
Post-trailer release
- This troper had the same thought! Why would a Godzilla we've seen being an outright good guy in all previous appearances suddenly start attacking humans for no reason? Madison says they're doing something to provoke him, but I think it's because that's not really Godzilla, and Kong knows it.
- In a Freeze-Frame Bonus in the first trailer, it's possible to spot Mechagodzilla during one of the scenes of Godzilla's supposed rampages, so he's indeed in the movie and seems to be restored to his villainous roots.
- Jossed. The Godzilla attacking cities is the real deal. Instead of rampaging against humanity however, he's more focused on destroying Apex facilities since they've been constructing a Mechagodzilla with King Ghidorah's brain, with the intent to replace the Big G.
- All three of Ghidorah's heads were Ax-Crazy, and the head that survives (San/Kevin) was the most Psychopathic Manchild but was also if anything the least vicious of the three — Kevin overall seemed to be more interested in curiously investigating things than killing them except for when Ichi bossed him around or when the heads were working in sync. If Kevin's mind is controlling Mechagodzilla without his brothers bossing him around, he'd probably be more likely to try leaning down to curiously investigate running humans, maybe smash a building once he grows bored of them and attack a fleeing boat or two for kicks, but he'd probably be quick to back down once Godzilla or Kong tried to put him in his place (which would make for anti-climax in this movie).
- Still, considering that Ghidorah's nervous system is non-centralized, perhaps the other two heads' minds are also able to re-manifest inside Mechagodzilla...
- ...or alternatively, perhaps the trauma of having his brain scooped out and incorporated into Mechagodzilla drives Kevin's mind in Mechagodzilla to become even more malevolent due to Being Tortured Makes You Evil.
- Confirmed; San/Kevin's skull is incorporated into Mechagodzilla to act as its remote brain, and remnants of Ghidorah's subconsciousness in the skull are responsible for hijacking Mechagodzilla and making it go rogue. That being said, it's a bit of an Ambiguous Situation in the film how much of San/Kevin or Ghidorah's consciousness Mechagodzilla has inside of it (and if it's got Kevin's intact mind alone then why does Mechagodzilla lack Kevin's curiosity and act much more intelligent and vicious), whilst the novelization indicates a second Ghidorah skull which could've been Ichi or Ni's was used and that the skull/s only retain fragments of Ghidorah's consciousness (seemingly).
- Jossed. That's actually Godzilla taking the axe blow and it ends up barely leaving a scar.
- Partly confirmed; Godzilla is attacking because he can sense Mechagodzilla as a rival to his dominance, and it's strongly hinted he might also be aware that the Mecha is being made with Ghidorah's Not Quite Dead remains.
- Jossed. The human antagonists have no more control over Titans than the eco-terrorists using the ORCA did, although Godzilla is being provoked to attack because the human villains' creation is emitting a signal he recognizes as a challenger.
Plus, he'll finally get the title "King Kong" by taking the title away from Godzilla as the new King of the Monsters!
- I'd actually make the argument that neither of them are going to be the "villainous" monster. From what's already been seen, it looks like a group of humans are going to abduct Kong from Skull Island (as humans are oft want to do) and try to use him as a weapon to kill Godzilla when the other Alpha Titan tries to rescue him. From there, it can be argued that the narrative requires Godzilla to win by freeing Kong from his bondage and allowing the Ape to return to Skull Island in peace. Besides Kong gets his king title from being the King of Skull Island.
- Jossed. Godzilla emerges as the victor in the end, though they both do team up to fight against a rampaging Mechagodzilla.
- Assuming the island lasts. The end credits of "King of the Monsters" mentions 'seismic activity' in the area around Skull Island, suggesting it may eventually meet its usual fate of collapsing into the sea.
- Looking more like a Jossed. The storms around Skull Island have gotten so bad they needed to build a containment dome to keep Kong safe, and even that ends up only being temporary before he's permanently relocated to Hollow Earth. If Skull Island isn't already uninhabitable, it will be soon.
As for Kong's death itself, he will make a Heroic Sacrifice, climbing up a building to do something like knock a flying Mechagodzilla out of the air or maybe destroying a tower that's helping it somehow, but will be fatally wounded in the process. This will cause Godzilla to go full Let's Get Dangerous! and deliver a No-Holds-Barred Beatdown to his robotic doppelgänger.
- Jossed, narrowly.
- Jossed. The novelization states Kong's ancestors did indeed war against Godzilla, and it's the reason the Kongs were banished from the Hollow Earth.
- Partially confirmed by the first trailer: Mechagodzilla does indeed show up and wreak havoc on mankind, firmly returning him to his villainous roots.
- Partly confirmed in the final film: he's outright villainous like the Showa Mechagodzilla, he's made from Ghidorah's remains like the Heisei Mechagodzilla, he gets taken over by the consciousness remnants of the organic Kaiju whose remains he was made from like Kiryu, and he's a global threat who gains a practically-infinite energy source like the AniGoji Mechagodzilla.
- Confirmed.
- On Team Godzilla
- Mothra
- Anguirus
- On Team Kong
- Gorosaurus (In Reference to the Skull Island meat-eater)
- Uncertain
- Rodan (his allegiance might depend on who wins the fight)
- The Canon Foreigner Kaiju
- Jossed; no other Titans barring Mechagodzilla and the Hollow Earth creatures appear in this film, because unfortunately the Titans awakening became an Aborted Arc with Godzilla commanding them to return to hibernation
- Alternately, Mechagodzilla was made by an anti-Titan organization with the goal of killing them all.
- Jossed and Confirmed respectively.
Confirmed. Turns out creating a replacement with the mind of his greatest enemy isn't a good way to make Godzilla calm.
Possible reasons and ways Ren will be an antagonist vary. Perhaps Ren has thrown his lot in with Alan Jonah and the Eco-Terrorists, or alternatively maybe he's part of an anti-Titan, pro-human organization who want humans instead of Titans to be the dominant species again after KOTM (sort of the William Stryker to the eco-terrorists' Brotherhood of Mutants, if you will).
- Confirmed; Ren has joined Apex Cybernetics' Evil Plan to kill Godzilla and make humanity the sole dominant species above all the Titans, with Apex specifically being credited as humanity's saviors.
- Jossed
- Jossed
- Confirmed.
- The real Godzilla will be, for whatever reason, indisposed (maybe subdued by the Anti-Titan group using an ORCA device) and will be freed to assist Kong against his mechanical doppelganger.
- The problem with this theory is that it would mean that the film wouldn't have an actual fight between Godzilla and King Kong, so it's really cheating the audience.
- It would certainly be in-line with the director and the movie's tagline stating that "One Will Fall" and that unlike its predecessor there won't be a draw between Kong and Godzilla, but a clear winner. So as not to disappoint either the pro-Godzilla or pro-Kong camps, this is the best possible compromise, unless its a lie.
- Or it could be a case of Exact Words: One will fall, but it won't be Godzilla or Kong.
- The fact that there doesn’t appear to be a "One Will Stand" side of that statement lends credence to this idea.
- It would certainly be in-line with the director and the movie's tagline stating that "One Will Fall" and that unlike its predecessor there won't be a draw between Kong and Godzilla, but a clear winner. So as not to disappoint either the pro-Godzilla or pro-Kong camps, this is the best possible compromise, unless its a lie.
- Jossed
- This seems most likely, as the film is titled "Godzilla vs. Kong." If Kong is fighting a disguised Mechagodzilla most of the film, that could create a bad case of Never Trust a Title.
- Adding to this, maybe the group who built Mechagodzilla used him to frame Godzilla precisely so Kong would be brought in, hoping they'd kill each other; when they end their battle merely wounded, Mechagodzilla is sent to finish them off, which winds up exposing him.
- Mostly Jossed; although this on the mark about the fact Godzilla was provoked into attacking by Apex's actions, and about Mechagodzilla being exposed only after Kong and Godzilla have fought and prompting an Enemy Mine.
- Indeed. Adding to this, there seems to be a shot of Kong standing atop numerous glowing Godzilla scales in what appears to be a subterranean cavern, and there's the trailer's hints combined with the cave painting that Kong and Godzilla's respective species had a war with each-other which might've contributed to the two becoming endlings. So the axe was probably made by Kong's ancestors and is found by him stored somewhere.
- Partly confirmed. The axe does indeed have a Titanus Gojira scale in it and it was made by Kong's ancestors and left in the Hollow Earth, but it's not really known whether it came from Godzilla specifically or another member of his kind.
- Jossed
Perhaps Mechagodzilla's intended purpose, and the Titan-threatening conspiracy's intentions, are not to wipe out all Titans (at least not right away), but to use Mechagodzilla to defeat Godzilla and Kong so that Mechagodzilla, and therefore its human controllers, will be the new ruling Alpha over the other Titans.
- The human villains' dialogue in the film suggests this, and the novelization furthermore implies that Apex's main interests if their Evil Plan succeeded were in trying to control and exploit what Titans they could and killing any ones that they couldn't.
This troper's theory is that that's where the severed Ghidorah head from The Stinger of Godzilla: King of the Monsters (2019) comes in, assuming it isn't just used to graft the endoskeleton or to act as Mechagodzilla's brain. Due to Ghidorah's unnatural abilities such as its Healing Factor which fundamentally doesn't exist in Earth's known natural order, the DNA in its severed head, upon analysis, provides Apex or whoever else might be responsible for Mechagodzilla's creation a massive scientific leap that gives them the key to creating a skin sheath that's completely in Godzilla's likeness.
- Jossed
- This theory isn't impossible, but I think it's more than likely Godzilla and Kong's respective did indeed previously war against each-other. Remember the cave painting of a member of either species fighting in the end credits of Godzilla: King of the Monsters (2019), and Kong is way too young to have been around in ancient times.
- Jossed. It's confirmed in the film that Andrews was referring to a Titanus Gojira-Titanus Kong war, and the novelization furthermore indicates that Kong's ancestors had a war against Godzilla which ended with the Kongs being banished from the Hollow Earth.
- Jossed. But the Godzilla vs. Kong novelization does hint that Apex might've been Unwitting Pawns to the Eco-Terrorists' agenda, with a prologue scene depicting Alan Jonah selling Ghidorah's remains to Simmons despite their diametrically-opposed endgames and hinting that Jonah knew what Simmons was going to use the skulls for.
- Jossed by the novelization, which heavily implies that Godzilla won the war and he exiled Kong's ancestors from the Hollow Earth to Skull Island.
- All Jossed. There is no stinger after the film.
(1) Kevin's mind was suffering an And I Must Scream fate for years, causing him to suffer Being Tortured Makes You Evil (or rather Makes You More Evil).
(2) Or, Apex wiring up and chipping away at Kevin's neurology when they were working on the skull effectively erased Kevin's individual personality traits, leaving only Ghidorah's base sadism and desire to murder as much life as it can.
- Kevin, despite his constant Draco in Leather Pants treatment, has shown levels of Psychopathic Manchild tendencies surpassing even Ichi and Ni, such as the scene in KOTM where as Ghidorah drains Godzilla's energy Kevin visibly licks his face menacingly before eagerly ripping into his throat. It's likely that while Ichi is the cunning one and Ni is the more outright aggressive one, Kevin is the outright Ax-Crazy one whose psychotic tendencies are simply restrained by Ichi's dominance: and now that he has a body all his own, Kevin is finally free to cause all the desteuction he wants, starting his fight in Hong Kong by vaporizing fleeing civilians in the streets with his proton beam.
The issue with this theory is why would Apex not detect the signs that Jonah did that Ghidorah was alive inside the skull. Perhaps they did and they just ignored it or thought they could suppress Ghidorah (using Ghidorah's neurology at all with its unknown Bizarre Alien Biology and known Omnicidal Maniac behavior is already obscenely stupid after all — at that point, who's to say Apex were also foolish enough to ignore signs that Ghidorah was alive in the head that Jonah would've taken more seriously).
- The Godzilla vs. Kong novelization lends some credence to this theory; depicting a man who's all but stated to be Jonah willingly selling Ghidorah's remains to Walter Simmons in a prologue scene, and hinting Jonah knew what Apex were going to do with Ghidorah's remains despite Jonah's end-goals being completely opposite to Simmons'.
- The novelization explicitly points out that there's no way Advanced Ancient Humans built that temple for themselves and that the likeliest explanation is the Kongs built it.
- Partly confirmed by the graphic novel Kingdom Kong: the book reveals that Ghidorah's actions in King of the Monsters left a Perpetual Storm anchored in the Pacific Ocean, and that the Dark Titan Camazotz drew this storm away from its original position and into Skull Island's storm barrier expressly to permanently darken the sky.
- Seems unlikely. Ghidorah's telepathy was key to the interface making Mechagodzilla controllable, and his regeneration powers were apparently key to him hijacking it. Another Titan wouldn't have the unique biological factors that made Ghidorah serviceable as Mechagodzilla's CPU.
- The only thing I can recall that might be construed as Ghidora being telepathic was the Alpha Call he gave after dethroning Big Daddy G in the previous movie, which by that very fact was implied to be something any Alpha-tier Titan can do if they take the throne. And my understanding was that Ghidorah hijacking Mecha G was due to the Hollow Earth magic pulling his mind(s) back from the dead, not Ghidora's Healing Factor. If Ghidora's healing factor had kicked in, then wouldn't the skull have just grown a new body?
- The film states that Ghidorah's necks were so long, the heads communicated telepathically. Granted, that exposition comes from crazy Conspiracy Theorist Bernie, but it is exposition.
- Maybe some time ago, the Earth was dying due to possibly depleted energy source to sustain the planet. The most ancient of Godzillas saw this and sacrificed itself to save at least his species.
- Or perhaps they returned to hibernation on their own accord due to lack of food on the surface, or perhaps retreated to the Hollow Earth (it IS a very big place, after all.)
- Perhaps "no Titan activity" simply means aggressive activity and attacks on cities? Maybe they're just ambling around on the surface minding their own business and avoided joining the fights, as it was a struggle between alphas and not their place.
- Doubtful. The news report specifically states there's been no "substantiated Titan sighting in over three years" — that implies that humans haven't encountered any of the Titans at all in three years. You'd think if the Titans were still around and active, humans would still be avidly wanting to document, record, photograph and study these amazing super-creatures peacefully from a safe distance.
- Confirmed by the prequel comic: Godzilla orders the Titans to retreat from the surface and enter hibernation after sensing that a part of Ghidorah has somehow returned.
We never see any indication Ren has any combat training whatsoever, his 'practice' seemed to have consisted entirely of killing Skullcrawlers much smaller than Mechagodzilla, and only able to be active for a few moments max in a small room. Kong regularly kills Skullcrawlers that size in proportion to himself. It's likely Ren's combat skills are nothing compared to Ghidorah's, and Godzilla would've likely outmatched him in that department.
- Considering how Ren and Simmons were dumb enough to not think hooking Ghidorah's still-living neurons up to their World's Strongest Man was insanely stupid, and considering how Simmons is extremely absorbed in his own ego, it wouldn't surprise me if it also turns out that they didn't think that part through.
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The "hollow earth" isn't underground, they just ripped a portal to another dimension. No way they could go 6 thousand km so quickly. It's just a portal.After the movie ended the kaiju just kept coming through. So eventually everyone got fed up, and dusted off the old Mechagodzilla schematics.Mental control with one pilot obviously didn't work. The jaeger went berserk and destroyed Hong Kong, but with two pilots they could assert control under full power.Since the original production facility was located in Hong Kong it was also the last facility to be shut down.Leading to Pacific Rim.
: Jossed, but according to the director of Pacific Rim: Uprising if he'd gotten to make a third movie it would have been a crossover with the Monsterverse.
Following Walter Simmons' death, we're treated to a shot of the neural interface in Ghidora's skull overloading as it undergoes a total transfer, presumably killing its pilot, Ren Serizawa, in the process. However, it's very well likely that the shocks induced during the process only incapacitated Ren instead of outright killing him, as we're never given any indication regarding how lethal the electricity/energy coursing through his body was. Assuming that the Monsterverse continues beyond GvK, it could very well end up that Ren survived his ordeal in Hong Kong and succeeded Simmons as Apex's CEO, becoming a central antagonist in future Monsterverse films alongside Alan Jonah. Though given the infamy that the Mechagodzilla incident would've garnered, it's probable that Ren would also reshape Apex into an underground terrorist cell, though one built upon anti-Titan humanocentrism à la Cerberus compared to Jonah's pro-Titan Eco-terrorism.
- It'd also stand to reason that he wouldn't exactly have come out of the ordeal unscathed. Aside from the probable mental scars, what better physical scarring is most appropriate for a Serizawa than one that necessitates an Eyepatch of Power?
- If this is the case, perhaps one of these Godzillas could be adapted into SpaceGodzilla
Also not this troper's idea so much as something this troper heard.
The skull we explicitly know about was obviously from San/Kevin's old head that was decapitated at Isla de Mara and was retrieved by Jonah in The Stinger of Godzilla: King of the Monsters (2019) — if there was a second Ghidorah skull, it could have come from Ichi's head at Boston, and here's how.
Burning Godzilla's Nuclear Pulses reduced both of Ghidorah's attached side-heads to sludge onscreen, skulls and all, but there's two things to consider when Ichi's head is destroyed moments later: (1) We don't see as much of Ichi's skull being obliterated as we did with the side-heads, due to the camera angle and the flashiness of Godzilla's Atomic Breath. (2) Godzilla was no longer in his Burning mode when he destroyed Ichi's head — he was back in his normal mode and he was solely using his regular Atomic Breath instead of Burning Godzilla's Nuclear Pulses to finish Ichi off. The same Atomic Breath that Ghidorah was able to tank in the chest at close range with no lasting damage done during the Boston battle.
It's possible that when Godzilla blasted Ichi's head apart with his now-normal Atomic Breath, Ichi's flesh was burned away but his skull mostly remained intact and was just catapulted miles away by the Breath's force instead of being ripped apart.