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- Digimon Adventure
- Digimon Adventure 02
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- Digimon Universe: App Monsters
- Digimon Adventure: Last Evolution Kizuna
- Digimon Adventure: (2020)
- Digimon Ghost Game
- Digimon Adventure 02: The Beginning
- You mean that there are other theories for that event?
- You mean this is the default theory? I always figured that she couldn't cope with losing her partner and just ran away somewhere.
- My understanding is that it's a case of Ascended Fanon. The original intent wasn't for Alice to be a ghost, but the way Dolphin looks at the photo got fans speculating, and the creators decided that their alternative interpenetration was as valid as any other.
- You mean this is the default theory? I always figured that she couldn't cope with losing her partner and just ran away somewhere.
- ALTERNATE BUT SIMILAR: She's in a coma, like Shibumi, and is able to project her image. Everything about the ghost theory (her sudden appearance and disappearance, Dolphin looking at her picture sadly) still fits. The reason she looks more solid than Shibumi is because she's a child, and as it's been established, the thoughts of children have a greater power.
- It was explained in the games that there is more than one digital world, and they all work as alternate realities. They were created by Millenniumon during the events of the third game "D-1 tamers". All of the digimon-verses are interconnected, not through the digital world, but through Ryo and Milleniumon. Ryo is in the Tamers universe because of the events of the second and third games.
- In the games, the common starting point of all Digital Worlds was the first computer, ENIAC.
- Jossed by the shows themselves; the maps, lore and very nature of the Digital World is different in every show.
- Milleniumon is still Monodramon. Milleniumon is Ryo's true partner digimon, and the reason he did what he did during those games was to be Ryo's partner or else came from jealousy of the other digimon that Ryo had partnered with during his adventures. That's why Cyberdramon was so wild - it was two digimon in one. Milleniumon being behind the events in Tamers would undermine why he did what he did in the games in the first place.
- Are we missing a few manuals here?
- Yes.
- Technically, Milleniumon only claims to be Ryo's true partner. Milleniumon is also completely Yandere for the only boy who ever defeated him, so his claims aren't necessarily the absolute truth.
- Are we missing a few manuals here?
- A side effect of this is that they probably no longer age. (They probably could appear to age if they willed it.)
- Maybe they can't age without somebody hacking their data. After all, it seems that their partner Digimon couldn't age; natural (i.e. permanent) digivolution is equivalent to aging, and Calumon's Shining Digivolution had no effect on them; maybe they're stuck with that too. This could make the rest of their lives interesting.
- I so support this.
- If someone is interested, there is a fanfic somewhere in fanfiction.net about this.
- Interested. Link, please?
- Lost Destiny by Firehedgehog.
- Interested. Link, please?
- One problem, tho'. How's he an adult when Ryo, also from the Adventure-verse, is still a kid?
- Time-space distortion from travelling between universes? It happens in other universe-crossing sci-fi, so why not?
- Hikari came with him. She's the kids' teacher.
- Not possible, since the kids teacher (in the original version) cares only for her standing in the community, and chose to be a teacher because it was an easy job. Unless, that's how Kari really is...
- Yes, I do like the idea that she's secretly a Bitch in Sheep's Clothing, while her goody-goody persona was only a mask. Or alternatively, because of her Big Brother Worship she has low-self esteem due to not reaching her own fractured idea of what/who she has to live up to, and transfers these feelings onto the community as a whole. Thus seeking approval from them, by becoming a teacher to gain a good standing within said community. Plus, she wants an that's easy after constantly having to deal with the pressures of being The Messiah, and saving the world every other day.
- What's not to say she have donned a pair of Jade-Colored Glasses growing up?
- Not possible, since the kids teacher (in the original version) cares only for her standing in the community, and chose to be a teacher because it was an easy job. Unless, that's how Kari really is...
- His girlfriend always reminded eerily of Yolei/Miyako.
- Or, Given the Hikari theory above, OT3 implications...
- He seems inclined to deal with things sternly and seems somewhat inclined to physical discipline. It fits!
- So this makes Jeri the Yakuza Princess, then?
- According to early notes by Chiaki Konaka, Jeri was supposed to be named Mishio and her parents would work in the Japanese red-light district. For those of you who don't know the red-light district is an area in a place we're the businesses are all sexually themed like sex clubs, strip clubs and prostitution rings. This could have meant that her father would be involved in the Yakuza being the owner of a prostitution ring and her mother would be a prostitute.
- They're even voiced by the same guy!
- And didn't Takato design Guilmon to be better than Agumon? As in Blackwargreymon's rival?
- Nope, the Diginomes made Guilmon, based on Takato's designs. He likely kicks himself later for putting a digital hazard on Guilmon, assuming the below wild mass guess is false.
- That doesn't mean that the Digignomes didn't use Blackwargreymon's data.
- Well, do remember that 02 happened in 2002, while Tamers happened in 2001... Note that Ryo left before 02. Besides, wasn't BlackWarGreymon's data used to make a barrier between the real and digital world? (not that it worked).
- To be fair, Jeri's mother DID die when she was very young. This incident could have mentally traumatized her, which could explain some of her behavior to others.
- I'd say Jeri is just a very, very, very mentally troubled kid. We should be thankful she's a good person.
- I believe Jeri has something akin to Dependant Personality Disorder, rather than autism. Her desperate need to be around people and need to make them like her (and succeeding, to a point) really hints of this.
- I don't think there's anything to suggest a mental abnormality in Jeri, but there's plenty in there to suggest psychological abnormality. More specifically, while she tries to hide it with a cheerful, optimistic, quirky persona, she's terrified of being alone. The hand-puppet is an imaginary friend made manifest, because she doesn't want to ever be on her own. When Leomon first appears she attaches herself to him like a limpet, and she tends to be very clingy (emotionally, not literally) with her friends. Given her backstory it's certainly understandable she's that way.
- She was sixteen when she had her, so about 15 or so. Not Lolicon, but she certainly wouldn't be legal in most countries (including most of Japan).
- That depends, the national age of consent is 13, though individual prefectures can (and do), make their own laws raising it as high as 18. Since we have no idea where she conceived we can't really know. Of course this only applies to the original Japanese. In the dub Rika is 13, so 12
- Or, a slightly more legal possibility: Ruki is adopted. That would make it perfectly legal for her parents to have gotten her while her mother was only 15-18 years old. It would also help to explain some of the arguing and huge differences between Ruki and her mother, if they're not biologically related in any way.
- Or in another tangant: They both were minors? Since ruki does really look like her mom except for her hair color, which she could have inherited thanks to her father.
- That depends, the national age of consent is 13, though individual prefectures can (and do), make their own laws raising it as high as 18. Since we have no idea where she conceived we can't really know. Of course this only applies to the original Japanese. In the dub Rika is 13, so 12
- The red aura could be of Growlmon digivolving into MegaloGrowmon, since immediatly afterwards, MegaloGrowmon comes from behind him to attack Beelzemon. Notice that Growlmon digivolved without digivice/blue card input. Just pure anger...
- Imitatin' other Entries, there is a fic...It's on recommendations, look it up.
- Please name the fic - it's not immediately obvious from the recommendations on the page.
- Is it the fic, 'Dimensions'?
- Please name the fic - it's not immediately obvious from the recommendations on the page.
- Well, in that sequence we also discovered that Guilmon's contracting eyes are a golden eyed version of Takato's Red Eyes when he's angry.
- Also, note that the red eyes are not a natural eye colour; it's also unique, since his parents actually have brown eyes.
- Also, in the CD message in a packet, the short story after the series, it states that Takato (who has no computer or computer skills), somehow manages to destroy a firewall designed to stop humans. Why?, because it prevents him from entering the digital world through the portal that he discovered/created by wishing i.e., he really wants to break through. To stop him they cover it with concrete.
- So, he's Lain, as a boy?
- Well, he doesn't have multiple personalities, but from the little of the digital hazard that was shown I would guess that he might as well be.
- Further evidence: Nowhere on the original Guilmon drawing are there hazard symbols.
- Guilmon was made by the Diginomes, based on Takato's drawings. As for him not drawing a digital hazard on Guilmon and breaking a firewall? I got nothing.
- Takato is Lucemon sealed into human form.
- Lucemon has blue eyes, that doesn't explain the red eyes. If Takato is a digimon sealed in human form, it probably is Chaos Gallantmon/Dukemon, who if I'm not mistaken actually has red eyes. Thus Guilmon (as Megidramon) would be his ride.
- I didn't invite four-year-olds to my eleventh nor thirteenth birthday party either...
- But Rika wasn't the one doing the inviting.
- In Episode 24, we DO see cigarettes in his office
- He's still a chain smoker. In his office and at his house, his ashtrays are filled with used cigarettes. He just isn't seen smoking them onscreen. Link.
- I always read it as him trying to give up, but completely failing by the halfway point of the series.
- Not sure you noticed, but that portal was covered in concrete because Takato had almost forced his way in, so that portal is useless... That doesn't mean there couldn't be another portal, though, after the CD Drama Message in a pocket and original story ~with~ though.
- True...but just because concrete can stop a human, doesn't mean it can stop a Digimon.
- Let's not forget all the Digimon that bio-emerged WHILE that portal had not yet been dug up by Guilmon, from Episodes 1-13. And no one even said the CD drama had to be the ending of the English dub instead of Runaway Locomon (in which the portal presumably was used given that the Digimon are all back on Earth), some prefer the CD drama as the canon ending but it has also been argued that the main "canon" is the Japanese version, so if the dubs, including the English dub, are non-canon, aren't they their own universes and couldn't they atleast fit with the movie with no other place to go? (This troper of course will have a harder time making arguments for the Japanese version though but he is an English dub purist). IMO Runaway Locomon is the canon ending for the English dub, Takato and probably the other tamers used the portal to get there, reunited with their Digimon, less dangerous this time with the D-Reaper gone and Zhuqiaomon on their side now, Dolphin made another ark to send them home, and six months later... Locomon. (This troper has received many arguments from a potential arch-nemesis though)
Since he warp digivolves, it's never shown on-screen just what Impmon's natural evolution line would have turned out to be. On the Digi Wiki, one possible digivolution shown for Impmon naturally is Devimon, and one for Devimon is Skullsatamon. Skullsatamon can digivolve into, you guessed it, Beelzemon. Now while there's no concrete evidence that this could be the case, the best proof is in the character design. Look how much Devimon◊ and SkullSatamon◊ resemble Beelzemon◊ in Blast Mode. Beyond that, they're all Dark Digimon consistently described as "fallen angels", whom are Virus types, and in the Nightmare Soldiers family.
Taking this idea one step further, since Impmon was originally going to be Tamer's Big Bad, it's possible they were going to include Devimon and Skullsatamon as a Shout-Out back to the original show until the idea was jettisoned, leaving only Impmon's Mega form for the final product of the show.
- SkullSatamon is a jogress and Devimon comes from Demidevimon. It is true that Digimon evolution has always been variable and since this is an "alternate universe" they don't have to Digivolve the same way but it would be weird to change those two. Just saying his other two forms are unrevealed makes more sense.
- SkullSatamon being a product of DNA evolution means nothing in other Digimon 'verses. Take a look at later seasons where Armor Digimon show up as normal Digimon by the score, or Xros Wars where even some of the Legendary Warriors get included. "It would be weird" is no reason at all. And, funnily enough, in Digimon Masters, Impmon's Champion form is ''Ice''Devimon and his Ultimate is, you guessed it, SkullSatamon. Though personally, this troper's always liked Astamon despite his being Belphemon's Ultimate. It just makes sense with the suit and the gun and the head-thing, you know?
- It's probably none of the above, given that the main trio's Child to Adult evolutions are very direct by digimon standards. Both colors of Devimon make sense for Beelzebumon, as does Wizarmon if you're going the Baalmon route, but have little visual similarity to Impmon, making his theoretical Transformation Sequence the odd one out. The closest thing would be Boogiemon and Phelesmon if they were purple instead of red.
- I don't think you should rule out Wizardmon just because he doesn't look like Impmon, Digimon evolution is complicated as they have many evolutions, and what they become depends on how they're raised. If Impmon is a good guy and Ai and Mako treat him well, it would be odd for him to evolve into something evil like Boogiemon.
It was just never said and/or discussed on the show. Besides, Dobermon's data got restored, so why can't the data of the other Digimon be restored?
- Dobermon wasn't restored, he disappeared never to be seen again while Alice watched sadly. In my opinion the most interesting question is what is Alice, and what would it mean if she was a ghost. Is it that she is in a coma, like shibumi was, or is it that she actually died and remained a ghost?
- Gorillamon seems like a much better focus for this theory. He could have been Not Quite Dead but since it was mostly off screen we have no way of knowing.
- Certainly not all digimon, but Juri's digivice made a hologram of Leomon that seemed to hear her, and it's possible that Impmon kept some of Leomon's data. Combine these fragments of mind and body, call in a favor from digignomes, and you *might* be able to reconstruct a Liollmon with severe amnesia. That's the absolute best that can be done without crossing the line from loophole to retcon.
- Kazu's t-shirt has the symbol for the Crest of Reliability (Joe's crest) on it from the earlier seasons of Digimon.
- There are some serious differences between the symbol on Kazu's shirt◊ and the Crest of Reliability◊. The crest looks like the British flag, while the symbol on Kazu's shirt looks much more like a Christian religious symbol, and somewhat like the coat of arms of the Kingdom of Jerusalem than does the crest of reliability.
- It seems a bit of a stretch that such a colossal historical and political change could happen without being addressed in the series. Try to imagine what could have happened if the USA lost the Indipendence War, or if Napoleon managed to estabilish a Continental Empire...
- I have to disagree here. In the Cd Drama Message in a Packet, ryo states that he knew that he was made of data before returning to the real world, even though he doesn't specify exactly what had made him like that. On the other hand, Justimon is not one of the most powerful biomerges in the show. He doesn't even manage to destroy any particularly powerful agent (like that green one) by himself! In the final battle, he does manage use Sakuyamon's power... after both are nearly exhausted, thus the amount of power he has to handle is not even that big.
- Keep in mind that there probably aren't any more digimon (with a few exceptions) other than the partnered digimon, as the D-Reaper had already deleted a third of the digital world a week before the finale... which is not a particularly consoling thought, but still.
- Also, Impmon has been shown to digivolve to Beelzemon through will alone, without Calumon's help. Between Beelzemon and Marine Angemon, the Partner Digimon should be fine.
- That's canon, actually: None of the Bio-Merge Megas are their true Mega forms; Cyberdramon's is ZeedMillenniumon, Guilmon's is Megidramon, and Terriermon's and Renamon's are never shown, in Tamers, though given the above pattern, it doesn't bode well. The Tamers do actually Humanize their partners, when they merge, and the Tamers take on Digimon-like traits in return, such as no visible anatomy.
The original is still on Earth in the Adventure-verse. In order to secure his existence, Millenniumon, manipulating events while partly sealed within Monodramon, arranged for Ryo to have a life to live that would interfere with his memories of the Adventure-verse, to which Millenniumon has no desire to return and risk encountering the Adventure Digimon, who know him and have defeated him in the past. In order to arrange this, he created a new "family", consisting of Ryo and his father, a randomly selected man Brainwashed into his new role by Millenniumon meddling with his own personal timeline.
For a time, he withdrew himself from Ryo's life to keep from triggering any inadvertent memories and began to struggle with Monodramon for control of their shared body, eventually reaching the stalemate in the form of Cyberdramon, who constantly risks going wild from Millenniumon's power and rage. However, he kept tabs on the human world from his mental prison, noticing Ryo's obsession with Digimon cards and realizing his unconscious ties to his own history. However, he also learned that there was a Digimon television show in the works based on psychic impressions from the Adventure-verse and decided to remove Ryo from the human world lest he come across it, drawing him into the Digital World to be his Tamer.
He did nothing to relieve Ryo's "father" of his state, and Rumiko eventually realized that no, her husband wouldn't be coming home after all.
- Unlikely; Millenniumon sought Ryo as his partner, therefore destroying everything makes no sense.
- Inherently jossed by the differing mechanics regarding Digi-Eggs, and the fact that Takato and Guilmon showed up.
(Note that I have seen very little of the Digimon series and have no idea if this would be an in-character catchphrase for Terriermon; this was just my impression based on hearing it being used in the English dub.)
- Yes, that's pretty much what happened in the Japanese original.
- He almost certainly learned it either from Henry or someone in his family. Janyu is from Hong Kong, so Cantonese is probably his native language, and words and phrases from it would get used a lot in the Wong household.
With Gallantmon being (officially) part of Royal Knights, this group can be seen as an unexpected opponents against D-Reaper, the reason why he's on par with the latter. If D-Reaper noticed the Royal Knights, then every member of the group will get screwed.
- A few theories: Agents of D-Reaper knew the existence of Soverigns but not Royal Knights who are guardians of network security. Almostly none of the residents in Tamers knew the existence of Royal Knights group. As lampshaded in later entries like Frontier, they fought for justice of Digimon World. Cue Gallantmon decided to Save Both Worlds after D-Reaper mysteriously drawing attention of Royal Knights group.
Takato, meanwhile, has feelings for Juri, and those feelings are unconditional, which as seen with Leomon, is the thing she has desperately searched for. Having realized that she can control her own destiny, Juri is now likely to search for happiness on her own, through Takato. Any potential confession Takato might make would most likely be met with positive results, particularly based on how clearly she can see that he cares for her (he saved her from the D-Reaper, for crying out loud) and because she still has low self-esteem and does not want to be alone or unloved, she would likely approach any relationship with the dependence and desire to please that she has done in all her interactions until now. And Takato, a 10 year old, will not likely be able to distinguish genuine affection (which Juri likely has, but her desire to please him would simply be greater) from the amount of clinginess Juri would likely display. None of this speaks towards the development of a healthy relationship, especially since both parties would have buckets of PTSD from events in the Digital World and the D-Reaper, and the relationship would only get more intense, dependent, and unhealthy as they are on the cusp of puberty.
Consider that Guilmon has been shown to have traits of aggression and savage nature in him that Takato frequently worried about (I.E when he first became Growlmon), As well as the fact he bares the Digital Hazard and is a Virus type by nature, It's likely that Takato's enraged forcing to make Guilmon reach mega for the first time wasn't so much of a Dark Digivolution as much of a Gone Horribly Right situation.
- Debunked by canon. Gallantmon is directly said to be Guilmon's "true Ultimate" in the series. The partners also don't lack a "natural" (and gods do I hate that term) Mega form - they're the ones we see them take with Biomerging.