History VideoGame / KnightsOfTheOldRepublicIITheSithLords

* LukeIAmYourFather: An unconfirmed theory speculates that [[spoiler:Kreia]] is actually [[spoiler:the Handmaiden's mother, Jedi Knight Arren Kae.]] There's lots of clues in dialogue (such as both being said to have been [[spoiler:one of Revan's masters]] and to have [[spoiler:died in the Mandalorian Wars]], but nothing conclusive. WordOfGod (by Creator/ChrisAvellone) is "[[ShrugOfGod Can't comment, but good catch. Sorry.]]" God's previous use of "nice catch" in the VideoGame/{{Fallout}} Bibles make this close to "Not intended, but [[SureWhyNot god likes]]".

* AbsurdlyHighLevelCap: The maximum level cap is 50. You can, maybe, get up to 30 with the available experience and without abusing the mechanics. This may have been in response to the absurdly ''low'' level cap in the first game due to the d20 roleplaying mechanic. Non-boss enemies still cap out at 20 though, so even the weakest build will find the game laughably simple not long after that point. There's also an exploit one can use to get to level 50, though it takes quite a long time and isn't really worth it.

->''"War... is a hunger. And there are spirits in the galaxy whose hunger is never satisfied."''

* AbsurdlyHighLevelCap: In the second game, the maximum level cap is 50. You can, maybe, get up to 30 with the available experience and without abusing the mechanics. This may have been in response to the absurdly ''low'' level cap in the first game due to the d20 roleplaying mechanic. Non-boss enemies still cap out at 20 though, so even the weakest build will find the game laughably simple not long after that point. There's also an exploit one can use to get to level 50, though it takes quite a long time and isn't really worth it.

* AllThereInTheScript: [[http://forums.obsidian.net/index.php?showtopic=25061&st=0&p=184142&#entry184142 Character age]] in the second game is known from casting documents.

* BadassLongRobe: One of the clear things the second game did better than the first was adding these to Jedi and Sith robes, instantly making anyone wearing them awesome.

* ChristmasRushed: The second game.

* CrapsackWorld: Generally speaking, the setting of most locations in the second game. One could make the case that ''[=KotOR=] 2'' is set in a Crapsack ''Galaxy''.

* DontYouDarePityMe: Try to show mercy to [[spoiler:Kreia]] at the end of the second game. Go on, just try. Also, Hanharr's entire character is this.

* ExtremeOmnivore: The [[MoneySpider cannoks]] in the second game.

* GainaxEnding: The second game has it in spades. The cut content makes it somewhat more coherent. [[spoiler:After your companions team up in a failed strike against Kreia and are captured you go and rescue them, your interactions earning a degree of redemption. After Kreia's death you tell everyone you have to leave them to follow Revan's path, but Atton still casually offers company.]]

* GasChamber: The Jekk'Jekk Tarr in the second game is a bar for aliens where the atmosphere is so toxic to humans that they need an environment suit just to get in. A gas mask can alone won't save you ([[GameplayAndStorySegregation except it does if you go there before that point in the story]]). Lampshaded when you show up at the bar without a suit and the crime lord in the back comments on how foolish you are to do so.

* LeftHanging: Thanks to the rushed release, many of the plot threads in the second game are left unresolved even though they continue to just before the end. TSLRCM GameMod somehow fixes this to a degree.

** The easiest way to win the final training battle with the Handmaiden sisters in the second game. They do ridiculous damage and will kill most players in a fair fight. To win, you have to trick them into backing off of the mat (thereby disqualifying themselves) by walking up to them. This causes the AI to back up so it'll be in attack position, which you can repeat infinitely. Just be sure to keep those melee shields charged. You could also just use Force Whirlwind, if you have it.

* MrExposition: Many in the second game, though most of whom can not be trusted. Kreia is the most obvious example.

* PreviousPlayerCharacterCameo: [[spoiler:Revan]] shows up in a vision in the second game. Several party members make return appearances as well.

* RelationshipValues: The influence system in the second game.

* UntrustingCommunity: Dantooine does not like Jedi in the second game. Understandably so, given what happened in the first. And there's no GameplayAndStorySegregation about it, either (unless you put your Exile's first name as "Jedi" like the Let's Play unintentionally did); try to talk to most people there while you have a lightsaber equipped and they will refuse to speak to you.

** Arguably the basis for the entire plot of the second game - nearly every primary character has been touched by [[spoiler: Malachor V]] in some way, and the resolution of the echoes cast by that tragedy comprise the core of the narrative.

** After B-4D4 convinces him to create a distraction while stealing files, T1-N1 shoots several guards and leaves the facility, with his fate left unknown.

* ConflictingLoyalty: Your character has this problem. The Influence system is designed in such a way that a pure Light or Dark Side character cannot hope to earn the favor of every party member. Therefore, you have [[GuideDangIt play both sides of the fence in the right company]] if you want all of them to like you.
** Not so much. Influence checks can be passed if your influence is low enough. This makes, for example, a light side exile pass HK-47's dialogue checks.

* CruelMercy: Mira has the option of doing this to Hanharr at the end of ''[=KotOR=] 2'' after Kreia had done the same to Hanharr before. The Exile can do this to [[spoiler:Atris]].

* DeathSeeker: If you go the Dark Side route, have Hanharr join your party, and gain enough influence with him for him to confide in you, then he will tell you part of the reason he hated Mira so much for sparing his life. It was because he wanted to die, to end his wretched existence, to rejoin his people in the afterlife and ask their forgiveness.
* DeconstructorFleet: ''[=KotOR=] 2'' gives this treatment to stock moral dilemmas that {{RPG}}s love to throw at the player. Kreia never misses an opportunity to explain in detail how any of the courses of action the PC may take will ultimately harm someone who does not deserve it. In fact, ''[=KotOR=] 2'' deconstructs pretty much all the core mechanics of [=CRPGs=], which is part of the appeal. The very first thing that happens in the game is Kreia calling you on the fact that you were merrily looting a dead body. Force powers, leveling up, and even experience points are strong and recurring story elements; [[spoiler:if you do not kill the Jedi Masters, when you finally meet them they point out that you have been rampaging across the galaxy killing hundreds and only growing stronger from it]]. A lot of Kreia's lessons are detailed arguments about how the basic lore of the ''StarWars'' universe makes no damn sense. She is especially skeptical about the basics of how the Force works, since the Jedi and Sith philosophies on how it works are mutually exclusive yet both work perfectly. Check ConsummateLiar entry above, though, before considering her stated opinions.

* DistractedByTheSexy: Well, what do you expect what with a shapely woman in her underwear running around [[HandsomeLech Atton]]?
-->'''Female Exile:''' And it looks like there's some clothes in here.\\

** Mira [[InvokedTrope Invokes]] this, saying that she wears her {{Stripperific}} outfit so that she can knock men out and check their bounties.

* DummiedOut: While the first game had an ordinary amount of dummied out content, the second game has a metric ''ton'' of it, including the actual ''ending,'' making the final leg of the game only barely decipherable in how it ties up the loose ends. The game is notorious for the amount of ''almost'' completed cut content that is still in the game files. The fan made "TSLRCM" GameMod was able to take advantage of this to restore significant amounts of content back into the game.

* ForgingTheWill: The player character has the choice of whether or not to alter a will he/she finds in order to inherit some contested loot. The guy it's given to knows it's been forged, but he's really tired of all the bogus claims to the loot and just gives it away so people will stop bugging him.

* GenghisGambit: In ''[=KotOR=] II'' some characters speculate that Darth Revan was using one, conquering the galaxy in order to strengthen the Republic against an even greater threat from the ''True'' Sith Empire. His/her true intentions are still unknown.

* {{Hypocrite}}: Kreia is quite the hypocrite. She derides the Jedi council for not listening to the ideas of others and speaks negatively of people who refuse to accept what other people say, but any time the player pokes any holes in her logic she just claims that you can't understand and refuses to take your claims seriously. She also despises the force, speaks ill of those who use it, [[spoiler: and her EvilPlan is to destroy it utterly]]. Despite this she still uses her force powers, and it's explicitly shown that she's too physically weak to fight without them. If the player points this out, she gives a ridiculous HandWave that being intimate with the force allows her to counter it better. The player can call her out on all of her hypocrisy but she just brushes it off. There's an implication that Kreia is just too ''arrogant'' to accept that she made a mistake (though she will admit that you have a point if you call her out on using force despite hating it).

* IDidWhatIHadToDo: This seems to be the reason for [[spoiler:Revan's turning on the Republic in the first place]]. Why did they? [[spoiler:To save it.]]

* LateArrivalSpoiler: Previews for ''[=KotOR=] II'' spoiled the fact that [[spoiler:the original game's main character was an amnesiac Darth Revan]].

* LegacyCharacter: [[spoiler:Kreia]] talks of this, stating that "There must always be a Darth Traya." It's more a reference to cut content than anything else, however - [[spoiler:specifically, the fact that in the original plan, it was possible for either Kreia to resume being Darth Traya, or for ''Atris'' to become another one.]]

* LoopholeAbuse: The easiest way to win the final training battle with the Handmaiden sisters in the second game. They do ridiculous damage and will kill most players in a fair fight. To win, you have to trick them into backing off of the mat (thereby disqualifying themselves) by walking up to them. This causes the AI to back up so it'll be in attack position, which you can repeat infinitely. Just be sure to keep those melee shields charged.
** You could also just use Force Whirlwind, if you have it.

* NeverLiveItDown: In-universe example. Throughout the course of the game, the Exile would get blamed by various characters for the destruction of Peragus, regardless of whether s/he is actually responsible (depending on the player's choices).

* NoGoodDeedGoesUnpunished: In the second game, if you give a beggar some money, Kreia's WhatTheHellHero {{lampshades}} the Trope.
-->'''Kreia:''' If you seek to aid everyone that suffers in the galaxy, you will only weaken yourself... and weaken them. It is the internal struggles, when fought and won on their own, that yield the strongest rewards. You stole that struggle from them, cheapened it. If you care for others, then dispense with pity and sacrifice and recognize the value in letting them fight their own battles. And when they triumph, they will be even stronger for the victory.

* NotSoDifferent: In the second game [[spoiler:the Exile, like Nihilus, [[ExperiencePoints feeds on death]]. They, however, are not consumed by it]]. This interestingly makes them Nihilus' AchillesHeel: [[spoiler:him attempting to use his powers on them turns him into an AnticlimaxBoss]].

* ObfuscatingStupidity: The Disciple's a lot more intelligent than either the fans or the crew in TSL give him credit for. For one thing, he is [[spoiler:actually working for Carth Onasi as a ''spy''.]] He also seems to have an unusually clear perspective on both the Jedi and the Sith, compared with other characters in the game who either blend them together into a mutually-evil muddle, demonizing them equally, or worship the ground upon which the Jedi walk. It is more than a little bit likely that, like every other character in the game, he is purposefully hiding his true nature. The optimism seems to be genuine, though. To a lesser degree, Atton. Despite his laid-back jackass routine, he has a lot of hidden depths. [[spoiler:Most of them are not very nice, as hinted at whenever he casually mentions killing people.]]

* PoorCommunicationKills: Specifically, it kills all the bounty hunters who show up to kill the Exile to collect the Exchange's bounty on Jedi, even though the bounty specifies the Jedi must be ''alive''.

* PowerOfTheVoid: Darth Nihilus. He is said to be a "wound in the Force" and has potentially the ability to become a "black hole" for all sentient life.

* WarIsHell: Arguably the basis for the entire plot of the second game - nearly every primary character has been touched by [[spoiler: Malachor V]] in some way, and the resolution of the echoes cast by that tragedy comprise the core of the narrative.

* WhatHappenedToTheMouse: Where to begin in ''Knights of the Old Republic II''?

* DoingItForTheArt: Creator/ChrisAvellone, lead designer of ''Knights of the Old Republic II'', claims to have sat through ''every'' Star Wars movie, read ''every'' Expanded Universe book (!), and even endured the ''Film/TheStarWarsHolidaySpecial'' (!!) for the sake of fully understanding the universe he was writing. As a result, there are [[ShownTheirWork an awful lot of nods]] to the rest of the ''Star Wars'' canon, as well as entire plot threads woven from throw-away background material from the first game. It also tears the basic mythological and ethical system of the setting into itty bitty pieces, so apparently he was not totally impressed.

* ExecutiveMeddling: You wondered why the last act of ''[=KotOR=] II'' felt so rushed and the ending so inconclusive? [[Creator/LucasArts That's why.]] Not only did they insist that the game be released by an unrealistic deadline, they even went so far as ''refusing to let Creator/{{Obsidian|Entertainment}} release a patch later to restore the missing content''!
* ExperiencePoints: Deconstructed/lampshaded in ''[=KotOR=] II''. A conversation near the end of the game has someone commenting on how the Exile seems to become stronger every time they kill enemies.

* ScrewedByTheNetwork: Twice even. Creator/LucasArts, the publisher, wanted to ensure that the game would be ready for a Christmas release. This lead to a unrealisticly short development schedule of 13 months, which ultimately left the game incomplete in many respects. Creator/{{Obsidian|Entertainment}}, the developers, were so annoyed about having to release an incomplete game that they offered to make a mass-content patch which would have restored it to its planned glory. [=LucasArts=], for reasons unfathomable to fans, denied this request. Modders have done their best to compensate, though.

* WhatCouldHaveBeen: Most of the removed content (like the ending) would have been restored by a patch if Creator/LucasArts had not prevented them from releasing it. What is known about the planned ending would have been legendary if completed.

* GameMod: ''The Sith Lords Restored Content Mod'' (TSLRCM), which is developed by Deadly Stream, restores most of what the game was supposed to be. The same mod development team has also released M4-78 Enhancement Project, an add-on mod for TSLRCM that restores the missing droid planet and dead Jedi Master therein.

** Not so much. Influence checks can be passed if your influence is low enough

** Not so much. Some influence checks can be passed if your influence is low enough

** Kreia [[spoiler:is training the Exile to regain his connection to the Force after voluntarily giving it up to show the remaining Jedi Masters the flaws of their teachings, luring out the remaining two Sith Lords so that the Exile can defeat them, manipulating Atris to reveal her fall to the dark side, attempting to spread the wound in the Force created at Malachor V in order to kill the Force, plotting her own death at the hands of the Exile on Malachor V to silence the echoes of the Mandalorian Wars, and sending the Exile to help Revan fight the True Sith.]] [[UnreliableExpositor It is entirely possible that she was lying about one or more of these plans.]]

* BroadStrokes: According to WordOfGod, (A) the Exile is female, and (B) the Handmaiden joins her party. Therefore, it is impossible to play a canonical version of the game without modding it. Then the official miniature of the Exile is female, but doesn't match any of the appearance choices available in-game.

** The whole game comes off as one to StarWars in general. Characters repeatedly attack the BlackAndWhiteMorality of the main series and especially the first game. Another target is the Jedi, with many characters calling them on hypocrisy and the murky differences between them and Sith. The simple fact that the events of the first game are called the Jedi Civil War shows that most of the galaxy doesn't really see the difference between the two. Kreia in particular is critical of the simple presentation of Revan and how the Jedi reacted to him [[spoiler: though she has personal reasons for why any failures on Revan's part would sting.]]

The sequel, despite being released rushed and unfinished due to ExecutiveMeddling (an entire planet was deleted from gameplay and the ending was disjointed and nearly-absent, with many subplots LeftHanging), was still a relative success and, like its predecessor, firmly found its place in Franchise/StarWarsExpandedUniverse canon, being referenced by later works. The game actively {{deconstruct|ion}}s the very foundations of the setting (such as TheForce itself), and the general mood is noticeably DarkerAndEdgier than in the original, borrowing themes from ''VideoGame/PlanescapeTorment'' and leaving fan opinions divided. A large portion of the lost content has been restored by ''The Sith Lords Restored Content Mod'' GameMod (TSLRCM for short), [[http://www.moddb.com/mods/the-sith-lords-restored-content-mod-tslrcm available here]].

* ArcWords: "Echoes".

''Franchise/StarWars: Knights of the Old Republic II – The Sith Lords'' is the 2005 sequel by Creator/ObsidianEntertainment of Creator/BioWare's ''VideoGame/KnightsOfTheOldRepublic''. The second game, set five years after the first, tells the story of an exiled Jedi who returns to a post-war Republic only to find it on its knees, the Jedi Order scattered and a new group of Sith on the rise. The protagonist is discovered by an old ex-Jedi, ex-Sith named Kreia, who helps [[EveryoneCallsHimBarkeep the Exile]] reestablish a connection to the Force, find four Jedi Masters in hiding and defeat the Sith. However, Kreia is motivated less by nobility than an ancient desire for revenge against two Sith Lords and the great power of the universe.

* ColonCancer

The sequel, despite being released rushed and unfinished due to ExecutiveMeddling (an entire planet was deleted from gameplay and the ending was disjointed and nearly-absent, with many subplots LeftHanging), was still a relative success and, like its predecessor, firmly found its place in Franchise/StarWarsExpandedUniverse canon, being referenced by later works. Its game actively {{deconstruct|ion}}ed the very foundations of the setting (such as TheForce itself), and the general mood was noticeably DarkerAndEdgier than in the original, borrowing themes from ''VideoGame/PlanescapeTorment'' and leaving fan opinions divided. A large portion of the lost content has been restored by ''The Sith Lords Restored Content Mod'' GameMod (TSLRCM for short), [[http://www.moddb.com/mods/the-sith-lords-restored-content-mod-tslrcm available here]].

The sequel, despite being released rushed and unfinished due to ExecutiveMeddling (an entire planet was deleted from gameplay and the ending was disjointed and nearly-absent, with many subplots LeftHanging), was still a relative success and, like its predecessor, firmly found its place in Franchise/StarWarsExpandedUniverse canon, being referenced by later works. Its game actively {{deconstruct|ion}}ed the very foundations of the setting (such as TheForce itself), and the general mood was noticeably DarkerAndEdgier than in the original, borrowing themes from ''VideoGame/PlanescapeTorment'' and leaving fan opinions divided. A large portion of the lost content has been restored by ''The Sith Lords Restored Content Mod'' GameMod (TSLRCM for short).

* ZerothLawRebellion: [[spoiler:G0-T0]] is a perfect example.

''"War... is a hunger. And there are spirits in the galaxy whose hunger is never satisfied."''

VideoGame/KnightsOfTheOldRepublicIITheSithLords is the 2005 sequel by Creator/ObsidianEntertainment of Creator/{{Bio Ware}}'s VideoGame/KnightsOfTheOldRepublic. The second game, set five years after the first, tells the story of an exiled Jedi who returns to a post-war Republic only to find it on its knees, the Jedi Order scattered and a new group of Sith on the rise. The protagonist is discovered by an old ex-Jedi, ex-Sith named Kreia, who helps [[EveryoneCallsHimBarkeep the Exile]] reestablish a connection to the Force, find four Jedi Masters in hiding and defeat the Sith. However, Kreia is motivated less by nobility than an ancient desire for revenge against two Sith Lords and the great power of the universe.

The sequel, despite being released rushed and unfinished due to ExecutiveMeddling (An entire planet was deleted from gameplay and the ending was disjointed and nearly-absent, with many subplots LeftHanging), was still a relative success and, like its predecessor, firmly found its place in ''Star Wars'' canon, being referenced by later works. Its plot and general mood were noticeably DarkerAndEdgier than those of the original, with many elements carried over from ''VideoGame/PlanescapeTorment'', leaving fan opinions divided. A large portion of the lost content has been restored by ''The Sith Lords Restored Content Mod'' GameMod (TSLRCM for short).

The Exile is canonically female.

The sequel, despite being released rushed and unfinished due to ExecutiveMeddling (An entire planet was deleted from gameplay and the ending was disjointed and nearly-absent, with many subplots LeftHanging), was still a relative success and, like its predecessor, firmly found its place in ''Star Wars'' canon, being referenced by later works. Its plot and general mood were noticeably DarkerAndEdgier than those of the original, with many elements carried over from ''VideoGame/PlanescapeTorment'', leaving fan opinions divided. A large portion of the lost content has been restored by ''The Sith Lords Restored Content Mod'' GameMod (TSLRCM for short).

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