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** Goh gets a lot of flak in story for favoring Pokemon based-friendships over human ones, which is intended to be a show of his lack of support both for and from Chloe. However, considering how he's treated in the story by human characters, is it any wonder why Goh prefers the company of Pokemon?
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** Goh gets a lot of flak in story for favoring Pokemon based-friendships over human ones, which is intended to be a show of his lack of support both for and from Chloe. However, considering how he's treated in the story by human characters, being belittled, disrespected, yelled at, considered lazy and selfish for no fault of his own, and so on, is it any wonder why Goh prefers the company of Pokemon?
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* When the narrative takes sides between [[Anime/PokemonJourneysTheSeries Goh]] and the [[WesternAnimation/InfinityTrain Infinity Train-bound]] Chloe in ''Fanfic/InfinityTrainSeekerOfCrocus'', it almost aways takes the side of the latter. Readers on the other hand tend to be on Goh's side far more, and often as well the side of others who have criticisms of Chloe that the narrative paints as wrong.
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* When the narrative takes sides between it comes to [[Anime/PokemonJourneysTheSeries Goh]] and the [[WesternAnimation/InfinityTrain Infinity Train-bound]] Chloe in ''Fanfic/InfinityTrainSeekerOfCrocus'', it the narrative almost aways takes the side of the latter. Readers on the other hand tend to be on side with Goh's side far more, and often as well the side of others who have criticisms of Chloe that the narrative paints as wrong.
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* When the narrative takes sides between [[Anime/PokemonJourneysTheSeries Goh]] and the [[WesternAnimation/InfinityTrain Infinity Train-bound]] Chloe in ''Fanfic/InfinityTrainSeekerOfCrocus'', it almost aways takes the side of the latter. Readers on the other hand tend to be on Goh's side far more, and often against others who have criticisms of Chloe that the narrative paints as wrong.
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* When the narrative takes sides between [[Anime/PokemonJourneysTheSeries Goh]] and the [[WesternAnimation/InfinityTrain Infinity Train-bound]] Chloe in ''Fanfic/InfinityTrainSeekerOfCrocus'', it almost aways takes the side of the latter. Readers on the other hand tend to be on Goh's side far more, and often against others who have criticisms of Chloe that the narrative paints as wrong.
** Goh gets a lot of flak in story for favoring Pokemon based-friendships over human ones, which is intended to be a show of his lack of support both for and from Chloe. However, considering how he's treated in the story by human characters, is it any wonder why Goh prefers the company of Pokemon?
** Goh suggests that the reason why Chloe should've captured the Shiny Pumpkaboo was because she was the daughter of a professor, only to get shot down by his grandmother. However, this could've served as the perfect opportunity for Chloe and her father to actually bond, especially since the Pumpkaboo was a Pokemon that Chloe actually liked, and thus could've allowed them to become closer and not have such a strained relationship in the present day.
** Goh gets a lot of mud flung at him for his set up for only going to school some times, being 'No-show Goh' and all. However, the side story ''Firefly'' establishes that this isn't just him being lazy, he has paperwork from school to be allowed to do that, and as a student he still gets good grades despite his absences. Goh is not failing his obligations to the school as a student as a result, and any social issues he misses are entirely with people who, as mentioned above, are rather huge jerks and Goh gets his socialization in his job with Professor Cerise instead. Essentially Goh is expected to not use a system that is meant to help him, works for him, and keeps him from having to deal with a rather hostile environment, just because Chloe feels neglected.
*** Related to the above, a lot is made about how Goh's parents don't push him to go to school more and how it's a staple of their neglect. Given that practically every time school is mentioned it is in regards to something horrible about how it treats its students, particularly Chloe, not forcing their son to go to a place like that is fairly reasonable, especially as their son has a job with Professor Cerise so he is no longer just in his room all day researching Mew. They also filled out paperwork for this, meaning that what they are doing is legal, acceptable, and the only problems that exist with the set up in-story is because of email issues that the school could solve by communicating with Goh in any other way (such as in-person, emailing him, or calling him). So while they might have faults on how they've handled their son, keeping him out of school is a decision many fans agree with them on.
** On the Infinity Train side of the story, Grace's declaration that Chloe's a threat to The Apex and that she needs to die is supposed to be proof of her being a DirtyCoward, with Sycamore wasting no time lambasting her over it. Thing is, she's correct in Chloe being a threat: compared to The Apex or even most Passengers in general, who are equipped with whatever garbage they can get their hands on, Chloe has the Cloak of Marchosias, which lets her turn into a fire-breathing wolf, and later gets a halo that lets her summon any demon she wants, albeit only once. These two artifacts alone make Chloe such a PersonOfMassDestruction that she could literally annihilate not only The Apex, even the whole Train with a snap of her fingers. Even without these artifacts, however, Chloe has something of a CultOfPersonality developing around the Denizens, who constantly praise her and treat her like a Goddess for practically no reason, meaning she has tremendous soft and hard power that is a genuine threat to her declared enemies, such as the Apex.
** During the trial against Chloe in the Harvest Moon Car, Allighieri makes several critiques about her and declares that she should be separated from the Windchasers and Red Lotus Remnant. This is supposed to make him loathsome and make us rejoice when they win the trial and decide to stay with her regardless, but Allighieri ends up making some very valid points because Chloe has repeatedly proven to be a toxic individual who refuses any help that people offer her, only to turn around and demonize them seconds later for not helping her, AND is responsible for reducing the Windchasers' leader to a suicidal mess, the very same one she's been dealing with, and yet never truly faced consequences for it.
** Goh gets a lot of flak in story for favoring Pokemon based-friendships over human ones, which is intended to be a show of his lack of support both for and from Chloe. However, considering how he's treated in the story by human characters, is it any wonder why Goh prefers the company of Pokemon?
** Goh suggests that the reason why Chloe should've captured the Shiny Pumpkaboo was because she was the daughter of a professor, only to get shot down by his grandmother. However, this could've served as the perfect opportunity for Chloe and her father to actually bond, especially since the Pumpkaboo was a Pokemon that Chloe actually liked, and thus could've allowed them to become closer and not have such a strained relationship in the present day.
** Goh gets a lot of mud flung at him for his set up for only going to school some times, being 'No-show Goh' and all. However, the side story ''Firefly'' establishes that this isn't just him being lazy, he has paperwork from school to be allowed to do that, and as a student he still gets good grades despite his absences. Goh is not failing his obligations to the school as a student as a result, and any social issues he misses are entirely with people who, as mentioned above, are rather huge jerks and Goh gets his socialization in his job with Professor Cerise instead. Essentially Goh is expected to not use a system that is meant to help him, works for him, and keeps him from having to deal with a rather hostile environment, just because Chloe feels neglected.
*** Related to the above, a lot is made about how Goh's parents don't push him to go to school more and how it's a staple of their neglect. Given that practically every time school is mentioned it is in regards to something horrible about how it treats its students, particularly Chloe, not forcing their son to go to a place like that is fairly reasonable, especially as their son has a job with Professor Cerise so he is no longer just in his room all day researching Mew. They also filled out paperwork for this, meaning that what they are doing is legal, acceptable, and the only problems that exist with the set up in-story is because of email issues that the school could solve by communicating with Goh in any other way (such as in-person, emailing him, or calling him). So while they might have faults on how they've handled their son, keeping him out of school is a decision many fans agree with them on.
** On the Infinity Train side of the story, Grace's declaration that Chloe's a threat to The Apex and that she needs to die is supposed to be proof of her being a DirtyCoward, with Sycamore wasting no time lambasting her over it. Thing is, she's correct in Chloe being a threat: compared to The Apex or even most Passengers in general, who are equipped with whatever garbage they can get their hands on, Chloe has the Cloak of Marchosias, which lets her turn into a fire-breathing wolf, and later gets a halo that lets her summon any demon she wants, albeit only once. These two artifacts alone make Chloe such a PersonOfMassDestruction that she could literally annihilate not only The Apex, even the whole Train with a snap of her fingers. Even without these artifacts, however, Chloe has something of a CultOfPersonality developing around the Denizens, who constantly praise her and treat her like a Goddess for practically no reason, meaning she has tremendous soft and hard power that is a genuine threat to her declared enemies, such as the Apex.
** During the trial against Chloe in the Harvest Moon Car, Allighieri makes several critiques about her and declares that she should be separated from the Windchasers and Red Lotus Remnant. This is supposed to make him loathsome and make us rejoice when they win the trial and decide to stay with her regardless, but Allighieri ends up making some very valid points because Chloe has repeatedly proven to be a toxic individual who refuses any help that people offer her, only to turn around and demonize them seconds later for not helping her, AND is responsible for reducing the Windchasers' leader to a suicidal mess, the very same one she's been dealing with, and yet never truly faced consequences for it.
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* ''Fanfic/TheSaviorKingTheMasterTacticianAndTheQueenOfLiberation''
** The author despises [[VideoGame/FireEmblemThreeHouses the Flame Emperor]](also known as [[spoiler:Edelgard von Hresvelg]]), calling them a {{hypocrite}} with a lot of blood on their hands whose alliance with those who slither in the dark will not possibly end well for the Flame Emperor. Despite this, the Flame Emperor is correct in arguing that the Church of Seiros altered history for their own benefit. They ar elater proven even more right when Byleth takes measures to conceal Rhea, archbishop of the Church of Seiros, [[spoiler:who is also Seiros herself]], knowing and deliberate distortion of history by describing them as simple mistranslations of the goddess's will.
** Likewise, Lonato is portrayed as a horrible person for being willing to start an ill-fated rebellion against the Church of Seiros in revenge for his son Christophe's execution that not only gets himself killed, but also leads to the deaths of his subjects and causes him to [[KinslayingIsASpecialKindOfEvil nearly kill his adopted son Ashe]]. Unsurprisingly, when he says that Rhea sent students to put down the rebellion because she "wanted to threaten you with the consequences of defying her obscene whims!", Ashe dismisses it as "crazy." However, in the game, Rhea expresses disapproval about the students' hesitance to fight the militia when she speaks with [[PlayerCharacter Byleth]] after the mission, and adds, "I pray the students learned a valuable lesson about the fate that awaits all who are foolish enough to point their blades towards the heavens," so it seems as though Lonato correctly guessed Rhea's motives.
* ''Fanfic/TheSaviorKingTheMasterTacticianAndTheQueenOfLiberation''
** The author despises [[VideoGame/FireEmblemThreeHouses the Flame Emperor]](also known as [[spoiler:Edelgard von Hresvelg]]), calling them a {{hypocrite}} with a lot of blood on their hands whose alliance with those who slither in the dark will not possibly end well for the Flame Emperor. Despite this, the Flame Emperor is correct in arguing that the Church of Seiros altered history for their own benefit. They ar elater proven even more right when Byleth takes measures to conceal Rhea, archbishop of the Church of Seiros, [[spoiler:who is also Seiros herself]], knowing and deliberate distortion of history by describing them as simple mistranslations of the goddess's will.
** Likewise, Lonato is portrayed as a horrible person for being willing to start an ill-fated rebellion against the Church of Seiros in revenge for his son Christophe's execution that not only gets himself killed, but also leads to the deaths of his subjects and causes him to [[KinslayingIsASpecialKindOfEvil nearly kill his adopted son Ashe]]. Unsurprisingly, when he says that Rhea sent students to put down the rebellion because she "wanted to threaten you with the consequences of defying her obscene whims!", Ashe dismisses it as "crazy." However, in the game, Rhea expresses disapproval about the students' hesitance to fight the militia when she speaks with [[PlayerCharacter Byleth]] after the mission, and adds, "I pray the students learned a valuable lesson about the fate that awaits all who are foolish enough to point their blades towards the heavens," so it seems as though Lonato correctly guessed Rhea's motives.
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** Marinette's decision not to get involved with the police investigation is portrayed as rejecting Adrien and her former friends' selfish demands that she [[EntitledBastard once again fix their problems for them]], with Adrien specifically wanting her to [[ScrewTheRulesIHaveConnections abuse her influence as Ladybug]]. However, it could be argued that [[JerkassHasAPoint Adrien has a point]], even if his demands come from [[ItsAllAboutMe an extremely self-centered position]]:
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** Marinette's decision not to get involved with the police investigation is portrayed as rejecting Adrien and her former friends' selfish demands that she [[EntitledBastard once again fix their problems for them]], with Adrien specifically wanting her to [[ScrewTheRulesIHaveConnections abuse her influence as Ladybug]]. However, it could be argued that [[JerkassHasAPoint Adrien has a point]], point, even if his demands come from [[ItsAllAboutMe an extremely self-centered position]]:
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* Many fanfics that keep Izuku Quirkless, such as ''Fanfic/DekuIThinkHesSomePro'', ''Fanfic/MastermindStrategistForHire'' or ''Fanfic/RiseOfTheLastVillain'', among many others, have people impressed by Izuku's intellect and immediately assume that he must have some intelligence-enhancing Quirk, only to find out that no, he's Quirkless. This is often use to show how anti-Quirkless prejudice and bigotry draw people into believing that no one can't be great unless they have a Quirk to boost them. However, this runs into many problems:
** First of all, in these fics Izuku gets a ''massive'' dose of AdaptationalIntelligence, turning him into a supergenius on par with Nezu (such as in ''Mastermind'') or even smarter than him (as in ''Last Villain''). While Izuku in canon is a pretty smart boy with a keen analytical mind, the manga doesn't even imply that he's Nezu's intellectual equal (in fact, not only Izuku isn't even the smartest person of his class, he isn't even among the top 3 smartest).
** Following that, there's the fact that whenever there's a superintelligent character on MHA (Like Nezu, or the anime-only Saiko Intelli) their vast intellect is ''always'' the result of an intelligence-enhancing Quirk, which would make normal to assume that somebody with an absurdly high intellect would be thanks to a Quirk.
** All in all, the writers of the fics mentioned above as well as many others gave Izuku an intelligence-boosting Quirk but they simply didn't call it a Quirk, making the people who believe that a completely mundane person couldn't be that smart without the help of a Quirk justified in their assumptions.
** First of all, in these fics Izuku gets a ''massive'' dose of AdaptationalIntelligence, turning him into a supergenius on par with Nezu (such as in ''Mastermind'') or even smarter than him (as in ''Last Villain''). While Izuku in canon is a pretty smart boy with a keen analytical mind, the manga doesn't even imply that he's Nezu's intellectual equal (in fact, not only Izuku isn't even the smartest person of his class, he isn't even among the top 3 smartest).
** Following that, there's the fact that whenever there's a superintelligent character on MHA (Like Nezu, or the anime-only Saiko Intelli) their vast intellect is ''always'' the result of an intelligence-enhancing Quirk, which would make normal to assume that somebody with an absurdly high intellect would be thanks to a Quirk.
** All in all, the writers of the fics mentioned above as well as many others gave Izuku an intelligence-boosting Quirk but they simply didn't call it a Quirk, making the people who believe that a completely mundane person couldn't be that smart without the help of a Quirk justified in their assumptions.
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Misuse. YMMV can't be played with. Also, this trope cannot be intentional, since the point of having a strawman to begin with is to have a character who presents a flawed argument that can be easily dismantled by other characters. If the author always presented the argument as valid in the work, then the character isn't a strawman and therefore doesn't count for this trope.
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* ''Secret Sunshine'' seems to play with this trope, along with being intentional (it's tagged as this). The other characters (Mako in particular) think Ryuuko's being too harsh on Satsuki for her choices relating to Kiko (her daughter) but, as we can see, Ryuuko has every reason to feel the way that she does about her sister, considering that Satsuki left a two-day-old Kiko in Ryuuko's care, abandoning them both when she moved them across town, and had little involvement in raising Kiko besides sending checks. Moreover, she didn't have to make sacrifices or deal with the hardships that Ryuuko had.
* ''Secret Sunshine'' seems to play with this trope, along with being intentional (it's tagged as this). The other characters (Mako in particular) think Ryuuko's being too harsh on Satsuki for her choices relating to Kiko (her daughter) but, as we can see, Ryuuko has every reason to feel the way that she does about her sister, considering that Satsuki left a two-day-old Kiko in Ryuuko's care, abandoning them both when she moved them across town, and had little involvement in raising Kiko besides sending checks. Moreover, she didn't have to make sacrifices or deal with the hardships that Ryuuko had.
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This example raises two major problems. First, it doesn't mention any strawman that brings up this point of the In Universe and second, this seems to be a deliberate action of the author and not an accident. We are supposed to agree with this point.
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* ''Fanfic/{{Redemption}}'': The story explains in context why Jaune forging his transcripts is a worse offense than people usually believe.
* ''Fanfic/{{Redemption}}'': The story explains in context why Jaune forging his transcripts is a worse offense than people usually believe.
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*** Marinette is a direct eyewitness to several of Lila's crimes; thus she arguably has a civic duty to come forward with what she saw. This would be true Coming forward would not be 'interfering' with the investigation, so long as she left the police work to the professionals and didn't try pushing them in any particular direction.
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*** Marinette is a direct eyewitness to several of Lila's crimes; thus she arguably has a civic duty to come forward with what she saw. This would be true even if she wasn't a superhero. Coming forward would not be 'interfering' with the investigation, so long as she left the police work to the professionals and didn't try pushing them in any particular direction.
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* About two-thirds of the way through ''FanFic/DumbledoresArmyAndTheYearOfDarkness'', Zacharias Smith decides to leave the DA. When he does so, he explains that the DA is sounding more and more like a martyrdom cult with each passing day, and the focus of the group has changed from "Resist the Death Eaters" to "Die heroically". The DA counterargument is... to agree with every word he says and ask, "What's the problem with that?" Bear in mind that all of the members of Dumbledore's Army are ''[[ChildSoldiers teenagers]]'', and Zacharias Smith (who was a strawman in canon]) suddenly becomes the OnlySaneMan.
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* About two-thirds of the way through ''FanFic/DumbledoresArmyAndTheYearOfDarkness'', Zacharias Smith decides to leave the DA. When he does so, he explains that the DA is sounding more and more like a martyrdom cult with each passing day, and the focus of the group has changed from "Resist the Death Eaters" to "Die heroically". The DA counterargument is... to agree with every word he says and ask, "What's the problem with that?" Bear in mind that all of the members of Dumbledore's Army are ''[[ChildSoldiers teenagers]]'', and Zacharias Smith (who was a strawman in canon]) canon) suddenly becomes the OnlySaneMan.
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* ''Fanfic/HarryCrow'': After Harry attacks and physically injures ten girls who were threatening Hermione, Snape argues that a first-year should not be allowed to carry a knife, and that he needs to be reined in before "the next thing he kills isn't a troll, but another student". Snape gets ignored because Harry was never intending to actually kill anybody and what he did was perfectly acceptable for a goblin.
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* ''Fanfic/HarmonysWarriors'': Silver Belle is a {{Jerkass}}, but his views on sacrificing smaller numbers of soldiers and civilians for the sake of winning the war is purely pragmatic.
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* ''Fanfic/{{Redemption}}'': The story explains in context why Jaune forging his transcripts is a worse offense than people usually believe.
* ''Fanfic/{{Redemption}}'': The story explains in context why Jaune forging his transcripts is a worse offense than people usually believe.
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* ''Fanfic/TheKarmaOfLies'':
** Chat Noir argues that Hawkmoth's murders shouldn't count against him because they were undone by Miraculous Ladybug. While from an ethical standpoint he's got no real ground to stand on here, from a legal perspective there actually is an argument that since [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder courts have defined death all brain activity]] and Miraculous Ladybug quite obviously reversed it, he's "only" guilty of eight godzillion counts of ''attempted'' murder, plus all of the other charges, which isn't exactly ''better'', but his point still stands.
** Marinette's decision not to get involved with the police investigation is portrayed as rejecting Adrien and her former friends' selfish demands that she [[EntitledBastard once again fix their problems for them]], with Adrien specifically wanting her to [[ScrewTheRulesIHaveConnections abuse her influence as Ladybug]]. However, it could be argued that [[JerkassHasAPoint Adrien has a point]], even if his demands come from [[ItsAllAboutMe an extremely self-centered position]]:
*** Marinette is a direct eyewitness to several of Lila's crimes; thus she arguably has a civic duty to come forward with what she saw. This would be true Coming forward would not be 'interfering' with the investigation, so long as she left the police work to the professionals and didn't try pushing them in any particular direction.
*** Her honest testimony would likely be taken as far more credible than Adrien or the rest of the class, particularly as she would be unlikely to hold back her criticism of Adrien. This could help the police reconcile Adrien's shifty behavior and [[CassandraTruth strange-sounding claims]].
*** Marinette explicitly states that she would act if they were still friends, making her decision not to come forward seem personal rather than trying to avoid abusing her influence. One could thusly argue that she's using her position as Ladybug as an excuse to avoid testifying about witnessing a crime due to her anger at the victims.
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** Chat Noir argues that Hawkmoth's murders shouldn't count against him because they were undone by Miraculous Ladybug. While from an ethical standpoint he's got no real ground to stand on here, from a legal perspective there actually is an argument that since [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder courts have defined death all brain activity]] and Miraculous Ladybug quite obviously reversed it, he's "only" guilty of eight godzillion counts of ''attempted'' murder, plus all of the other charges, which isn't exactly ''better'', but his point still stands.
** Marinette's decision not to get involved with the police investigation is portrayed as rejecting Adrien and her former friends' selfish demands that she [[EntitledBastard once again fix their problems for them]], with Adrien specifically wanting her to [[ScrewTheRulesIHaveConnections abuse her influence as Ladybug]]. However, it could be argued that [[JerkassHasAPoint Adrien has a point]], even if his demands come from [[ItsAllAboutMe an extremely self-centered position]]:
*** Marinette is a direct eyewitness to several of Lila's crimes; thus she arguably has a civic duty to come forward with what she saw. This would be true Coming forward would not be 'interfering' with the investigation, so long as she left the police work to the professionals and didn't try pushing them in any particular direction.
*** Her honest testimony would likely be taken as far more credible than Adrien or the rest of the class, particularly as she would be unlikely to hold back her criticism of Adrien. This could help the police reconcile Adrien's shifty behavior and [[CassandraTruth strange-sounding claims]].
*** Marinette explicitly states that she would act if they were still friends, making her decision not to come forward seem personal rather than trying to avoid abusing her influence. One could thusly argue that she's using her position as Ladybug as an excuse to avoid testifying about witnessing a crime due to her anger at the victims.
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* In the ''Literature/HarryPotter''/''Franchise/TheDCU'' crossover ''[[https://www.fanfiction.net/s/9440359/1/Ascension-Book-One-Bloodline Ascension]]'', Aresia is irredeemable for unleashing Circe in an attempt to kill Harry, believing him to have bewitched her fellow amazons. Her reasoning: a male magic user came to Themyscira and within a few days, all of the [[DoesNotLikeMen Amazons]] (including the Queen) are literally lining up to have sex with him, all the while talking about how amazing he is. It's rather hard to argue with her logic. While an argument is made over the fact Circe [[TakenForGranite turned all of the Amazons to stone]], that was Circe exploiting ExactWords after Aresia forced her to swear an oath not to harm the Amazons in exchange for her freedom. At worst, Aresia comes across as a WellIntentionedExtremist.
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* The Watcher's Council in ''[[https://www.fanfiction.net/s/10314540/1/Assumptions-and-the-Word-All Assumptions and the Word All]]'' are portrayed as being in the wrong for including girls with disabilities on a list of candidates for immediate termination if they ever became the Slayer. However, given that for millennia there was only one Slayer at a time and the Slayer that caused this discovery had cerebral palsy and is only capable of moving a single limb, it would be in the world's best interest for her to be killed and replaced with a more capable Slayer.
* The Watcher's Council in ''[[https://www.fanfiction.net/s/10314540/1/Assumptions-and-the-Word-All Assumptions and the Word All]]'' are portrayed as being in the wrong for including girls with disabilities on a list of candidates for immediate termination if they ever became the Slayer. However, given that for millennia there was only one Slayer at a time and the Slayer that caused this discovery had cerebral palsy and is only capable of moving a single limb, it would be in the world's best interest for her to be killed and replaced with a more capable Slayer.
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* In the ''Literature/HarryPotter''/''Franchise/TheDCU'' crossover ''[[https://www.fanfiction.net/s/9440359/1/Ascension-Book-One-Bloodline Ascension]]'', Aresia is irredeemable for unleashing Circe in an attempt to kill Harry, believing him to have bewitched her fellow amazons. Her reasoning: a male magic user came to Themyscira and within a few days, all of the [[DoesNotLikeMen Amazons]] (including the Queen) are literally lining up to have sex with him, all the while talking about how amazing he is. It's rather hard to argue with her logic. While an argument is made over the fact Circe [[TakenForGranite turned all of the Amazons to stone]], that was Circe exploiting ExactWords after Aresia forced her to swear an oath not to harm the Amazons in exchange for her freedom. At worst, Aresia comes across as a WellIntentionedExtremist.
* The [[Series/BuffyTheVampireSlayer Watcher's Council]] in ''[[https://www.fanfiction.net/s/10314540/1/Assumptions-and-the-Word-All Assumptions and the Word All]]'' are portrayed as being in the wrong for including girls with disabilities on a list of candidates for immediate termination if they ever became the Slayer. However, given that for millennia there was only one Slayer at a time and the Slayer that caused this discovery had cerebral palsy and is only capable of moving a single limb, it would be in the world's best interest for her to be killed and replaced with a more capable Slayer.
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* About two-thirds of the way through ''FanFic/DumbledoresArmyAndTheYearOfDarkness'', Zacharias Smith decides to leave the DA. When he does so, he explains that the DA is sounding more and more like a martyrdom cult with each passing day, and the focus of the group has changed from "Resist the Death Eaters" to "Die heroically". The DA counterargument is... to agree with every word he says and ask, "What's the problem with that?" Bear in mind that all of the members of Dumbledore's Army are ''[[ChildSoldiers teenagers]]'', and Zacharias Smith (who was a strawman in canon]) suddenly becomes the OnlySaneMan.
* A common villainous group in ''FanFic/TheConversionBureau'' fanfics, the Human Liberation Front (which doesn't exist in the original fanfic), see ponies as a threat to mankind -- and given that the ponies' goal is often the total extinction of humans, sometimes with side-orders of GettingSmiliesPaintedOnYourSoul (and for every fanfic that paints ponification as a [[NecessarilyEvil necessary evil]] and a last resort, there's several more that have the ponies intentionally creating the threat in order to force ponification), they are absolutely right. Anti-Conversion Bureau fics like ''Fanfic/TheConversionBureauNotAlone'' and ''FanFic/TheConversionBureauTheOtherSideOfTheSpectrum'' take this and run with it, portraying the bureau as villains, although notably, ''Other Side of the Spectrum'' doesn't portray the HLF as right -- they're basically the horribly-extremist anti-pony side, while the protagonists belong to a much more moderate anti-Equestria faction.
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* A common villainous group in ''FanFic/TheConversionBureau'' fanfics, the Human Liberation Front (which doesn't exist in the original fanfic), see ponies as a threat to mankind -- and given that the ponies' goal is often the total extinction of humans, sometimes with side-orders of GettingSmiliesPaintedOnYourSoul (and for every fanfic that paints ponification as a [[NecessarilyEvil necessary evil]] and a last resort, there's several more that have the ponies intentionally creating the threat in order to force ponification), they are absolutely right. Anti-Conversion Bureau fics like ''Fanfic/TheConversionBureauNotAlone'' and ''FanFic/TheConversionBureauTheOtherSideOfTheSpectrum'' take this and run with it, portraying the bureau as villains, although notably, ''Other Side of the Spectrum'' doesn't portray the HLF as right -- they're basically the horribly-extremist anti-pony side, while the protagonists belong to a much more moderate anti-Equestria faction.
* About two-thirds of the way through ''FanFic/DumbledoresArmyAndTheYearOfDarkness'', Zacharias Smith decides to leave the DA. When he does so, he explains that the DA is sounding more and more like a martyrdom cult with each passing day, and the focus of the group has changed from "Resist the Death Eaters" to "Die heroically". The DA counterargument is... to agree with every word he says and ask, "What's the problem with that?" Bear in mind that all of the members of Dumbledore's Army are ''[[ChildSoldiers teenagers]]'', and Zacharias Smith (who was a strawman in [[Literature/HarryPotter canon]]!) suddenly becomes the OnlySaneMan.
* About two-thirds of the way through ''FanFic/DumbledoresArmyAndTheYearOfDarkness'', Zacharias Smith decides to leave the DA. When he does so, he explains that the DA is sounding more and more like a martyrdom cult with each passing day, and the focus of the group has changed from "Resist the Death Eaters" to "Die heroically". The DA counterargument is... to agree with every word he says and ask, "What's the problem with that?" Bear in mind that all of the members of Dumbledore's Army are ''[[ChildSoldiers teenagers]]'', and Zacharias Smith (who was a strawman in [[Literature/HarryPotter canon]]!) suddenly becomes the OnlySaneMan.
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Times when a straw character one is not supposed to agree with [[StrawmanHasAPoint has a point]] in FanWorks
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Times when a straw character one is not supposed to agree with [[StrawmanHasAPoint has a point]] in FanWorks
* InUniverse example in ''Fanfic/FalloutEquestria'': Red Eye was raised in an earth pony supremacist stable, and frequently argues against it in his propaganda. Given that unicorns can do magic, pegasi can fly, and earth ponies don't seem to have anything special, it would be hard to argue that earth ponies are even as good as the other races, let alone better. Despite that, the arguments he quotes are pretty convincing. Most significantly, he would have died of old age had he not been given cybernetic implants that were only developed because of the stable's obsession with technology over magic.
* In ''[[http://www.fanfiction.net/s/7305950/1/The-Empty-Cage The Empty Cage]]'', one of the differences in the seal from canon is that from the moment the vessel is destroyed, the Kyuubi will be banished from the human realm for a hundred years. A civilian is presented as being heartless for suggesting killing Naruto immediately to insure a hundred years of freedom from the Kyuubi. Though, at least one person who disagrees with said civilian uses the justification that every day Naruto (really the Kyuubi) lives is another day added on to their hundred years of safety [[labelnote:*]]What they don't know is that it would ALSO result in Kyuubi deploying the equivalent of a strategic nuclear weapon on his way out (apparently the Land of Wind was a grassland before the last time such a thing happened). Not to mention going full-on genocidal when he got back. The fight that kicks off the plot? That's Kyuubi returning fire out of vague annoyance, not fighting seriously[[/labelnote]].
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* In ''[[http://www.fanfiction.net/s/7305950/1/The-Empty-Cage The Empty Cage]]'', one of the differences in the seal from ''Manga/{{Naruto}}'' canon is that from the moment the vessel is destroyed, the Kyuubi will be banished from the human realm for a hundred years. A civilian is presented as being heartless for suggesting killing Naruto immediately to insure a hundred years of freedom from the Kyuubi. Though, at least one person who disagrees with said civilian uses the justification that every day Naruto (really the Kyuubi) lives is another day added on to their hundred years of safety [[labelnote:*]]What they don't know is that it would ALSO result in Kyuubi deploying the equivalent of a strategic nuclear weapon on his way out (apparently the Land of Wind was a grassland before the last time such a thing happened). Not to mention going full-on genocidal when he got back. The fight that kicks off the plot? That's Kyuubi returning fire out of vague annoyance, not fighting seriously[[/labelnote]].
* InUniverse example in ''Fanfic/FalloutEquestria'': Red Eye was raised in an earth pony supremacist stable, and frequently argues against it in his propaganda. Given that unicorns can do magic, pegasi can fly, and earth ponies don't seem to have anything special, it would be hard to argue that earth ponies are even as good as the other races, let alone better. Despite that, the arguments he quotes are pretty convincing. Most significantly, he would have died of old age had he not been given cybernetic implants that were only developed because of the stable's obsession with technology over magic.
* InUniverse example in ''Fanfic/FalloutEquestria'': Red Eye was raised in an earth pony supremacist stable, and frequently argues against it in his propaganda. Given that unicorns can do magic, pegasi can fly, and earth ponies don't seem to have anything special, it would be hard to argue that earth ponies are even as good as the other races, let alone better. Despite that, the arguments he quotes are pretty convincing. Most significantly, he would have died of old age had he not been given cybernetic implants that were only developed because of the stable's obsession with technology over magic.
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* ''[[https://www.fanfiction.net/s/2314730/1/Genesis-of-an-Adventure Genesis of an Adventure]]'': At one point, Ren begins to act irrational and treats all her friends like crap. It is her live-in grandmother who eventually calls her out on her bad behavior when she eventually makes her way back home apart from the others, and tells her that the world does not revolve around her. Leading up to that rant, she declares that she isn't going camping with her family, and immature as she may have been in general up until then, that's actually a good point. She had already told Kisho in the very beginning that she didn't want it to begin with, and really, one's lack of interest in something is something people, authority figures included, ought to respect. If her parents wanted a nice time out at least for themselves, they could leave her at a friend or relative's house, and if it was about building character, then in general, that is something kids should have a say in how to go on about. If anything, they could have created a list of suggestions for stuff she ''would'' rather do together with them, and if she really wants to blow off steam from school by not doing or even considering ''anything'', then they should validate that and let her decide on something when she is ready.
* ''[[https://www.fanfiction.net/s/2314730/1/Genesis-of-an-Adventure Genesis of an Adventure]]'': At one point, Ren begins to act irrational and treats all her friends like crap. It is her live-in grandmother who eventually calls her out on her bad behavior when she eventually makes her way back home apart from the others, and tells her that the world does not revolve around her. Leading up to that rant, she declares that she isn't going camping with her family, and immature as she may have been in general up until then, that's actually a good point. She had already told Kisho in the very beginning that she didn't want it to begin with, and really, one's lack of interest in something is something people, authority figures included, ought to respect. If her parents wanted a nice time out at least for themselves, they could leave her at a friend or relative's house, and if it was about building character, then in general, that is something kids should have a say in how to go on about. If anything, they could have created a list of suggestions for stuff she ''would'' rather do together with them, and if she really wants to blow off steam from school by not doing or even considering ''anything'', then they should validate that and let her decide on something when she is ready.
* ''FanFic/FrigidWindsAndBurningHearts'' has Captain Braveheart being court-martialed by Prince Blueblood in Chapter 8. We, the readers, are supposed to side with Braveheart, and feel that Blueblood is badly mistreating him. This would be easier if everything Blueblood says about Braveheart (that he's a violent, hateful street punk in Royal Guard's clothing who has yet to succeed at a single task he undertakes in the story) wasn't true.
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* ''FanFic/FrigidWindsAndBurningHearts'' has Captain Braveheart being court-martialed by Prince Blueblood in Chapter 8. We, the readers, are supposed to side with Braveheart, and feel that Blueblood is badly mistreating him. This would be easier if everything Blueblood says about Braveheart (that he's a violent, hateful street punk in Royal Guard's clothing who has yet to succeed at a single task he undertakes in the story) wasn't true.
* From the ''Franchise/{{Digimon}}'' fic ''[[https://www.fanfiction.net/s/2314730/1/Genesis-of-an-Adventure Genesis of an Adventure]]'': At one point, Ren begins to act irrational and treats all her friends like crap. It is her live-in grandmother who eventually calls her out on her bad behavior when she eventually makes her way back home apart from the others, and tells her that the world does not revolve around her. Leading up to that rant, she declares that she isn't going camping with her family, and immature as she may have been in general up until then, that's actually a good point. She had already told Kisho in the very beginning that she didn't want it to begin with, and really, one's lack of interest in something is something people, authority figures included, ought to respect. If her parents wanted a nice time out at least for themselves, they could leave her at a friend or relative's house, and if it was about building character, then in general, that is something kids should have a say in how to go on about. If anything, they could have created a list of suggestions for stuff she ''would'' rather do together with them, and if she really wants to blow off steam from school by not doing or even considering ''anything'', then they should validate that and let her decide on something when she is ready.
* From the ''Franchise/{{Digimon}}'' fic ''[[https://www.fanfiction.net/s/2314730/1/Genesis-of-an-Adventure Genesis of an Adventure]]'': At one point, Ren begins to act irrational and treats all her friends like crap. It is her live-in grandmother who eventually calls her out on her bad behavior when she eventually makes her way back home apart from the others, and tells her that the world does not revolve around her. Leading up to that rant, she declares that she isn't going camping with her family, and immature as she may have been in general up until then, that's actually a good point. She had already told Kisho in the very beginning that she didn't want it to begin with, and really, one's lack of interest in something is something people, authority figures included, ought to respect. If her parents wanted a nice time out at least for themselves, they could leave her at a friend or relative's house, and if it was about building character, then in general, that is something kids should have a say in how to go on about. If anything, they could have created a list of suggestions for stuff she ''would'' rather do together with them, and if she really wants to blow off steam from school by not doing or even considering ''anything'', then they should validate that and let her decide on something when she is ready.
