History Main / WithUsOrAgainstUs

* ''WebVideo/DreamSMP'': This Trope is pretty much [[{{Cult}} the Eggpire's]] entire principle. While they do try and convince people who don't like the Egg to like it, they especially detest people who are neutral towards it, as it implies that the Egg has no influence on them.
* The Website/SCPFoundation thinks that the [[UnitedNationsisaSuperpower Global Occult Coalition]] are hypocritical KnightTemplar who think MurderIsTheBestSolution when it comes to the anomalous, but stories focused on them show they're really more of this trope. They're perfectly okay with anomalies as long as they aren't dangerous or don't break the Masquerade.

* ''LetsPlay/DreamSMP'': This Trope is pretty much [[{{Cult}} the Eggpire's]] entire principle. While they do try and convince people who don't like the Egg to like it, they especially detest people who are neutral towards it, as it implies that the Egg has no influence on them.

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** Lock-up actually says, "If you're not part of the solution, then you're part of the problem." (Throughout the episode, he also blamed the "liberal media," as well as "gutless police, mindless bureaucrats, and coddling doctors" for society's problems, so he's really more of an outright criticism of conservative argumentation.)
** In a different episode, [[Characters/DCAUPoisonIvy Poison Ivy]] is also shown to have this view, and she also says the above sentence almost exactly the same way: Anyone who isn't treating plant life like they would their own children, to her, is someone who must be destroyed, hence why she is at odds with Batman before he even does anything.
* In one episode of ''WesternAnimation/{{Daria}}'' Jane begins dating a guy named Nathan who is really into 1940s nostalgia, to the point that she begins dressing in 40's styled clothing on a daily basis. Eventually, Nathan proves to be a StrawFan after his passive aggressive insults to Jane's clashing wardrobe leads an exasperated Jane to state "it's a fad, it's just for fun." Nathan counters about how he's one of the true believers left after everyone else moved on to a new fad, and Jane is either with them or against them. Jane kicks him out after he makes a disgusted comment about her owning sweatpants.
* Zapp Brannigan in ''WesternAnimation/{{Futurama}}'' views the Neutral Race this way. "With enemies you know where they stand, but with Neutrals, who knows?" Therefore he decides to crash the Planet Express ship into their capital. "Another heroic battle in the war between Good and Neutral!"

* ''WesternAnimation/TheLegendOfKorra''
** Used repeatedly throughout Book 2, usually by [[Characters/TheLegendOfKorraAvatarKorra Korra]] herself, most frequently on Mako when he's less than one hundred percent supportive of her efforts to get someone, anyone to fight the Northern Water Tribe's occupation of her homeland.
*** It also gets turned against Korra when she gets between a group of Northern and Southern Water Tribesmen about to fight one another. The Southerners get angry at her for not taking their side.

* ''WesternAnimation/TheLoudHouse'': In "Candy Crushed", Lola goes on a bet not to eat sweets for a week, and whenever anyone dares to eat sweets in her presence, she would react violently and shout, "You're either with me or against me!"
* In ''WesternAnimation/TeenageMutantNinjaTurtles2003'', this is the main reason [[Characters/TeenageMutantNinjaTurtles2003TheShredder The Shredder]] takes on the Turtles for the first time, with them having turned down [[WeCanRuleTogether his offer to join him]] after learning who he really was, he declared this. And anyone who is his enemy, he destroys without mercy.

** In a different episode, Poison Ivy is also shown to have this view, and she also says the above sentence almost exactly the same way: Anyone who isn't treating plant life like they would their own children, to her, is someone who must be destroyed, hence why she is at odds with Batman before he even does anything.

* ''WesternAnimation/TheLegendOfKorra'': Used repeatedly throughout Book 2, usually by [[HotBlooded Korra]] herself, most frequently on Mako when he's less than one hundred percent supportive of her efforts to get someone, anyone to fight the Northern Water Tribe's occupation of her homeland.
** It also gets turned against Korra when she gets between a group of Northern and Southern Water Tribesmen about to fight one another. The Southerners get angry at her for not taking their side.

* In ''WesternAnimation/TeenageMutantNinjaTurtles2003'', this is the main reason the Shredder takes on the Turtles for the first time, with them having turned down [[WeCanRuleTogether his offer to join him]] after learning who he really was, he declared this. And anyone who is his enemy, he destroys without mercy.

* In ''Film/MagnumForce'', the [[RabidCop renegade cops]], whose idea of justice is premeditated murder of the accused, try to use this to make CowboyCop [[Film/DirtyHarry Harry Callahan]] join them: "Either you're for us, or you're against us."

** Given that it was made in TheFifties, this is likely a reference to [=McCarthyism=], in which many Hollywood people were ruined for declining to name DirtyCommunists alleged to be among them.

* ''[[Franchise/SpiderMan Spider-Man]]: ComicBook/BrandNewDay'' has [[ExactlyWhatItSaysOnTheTin The Extremist]]. To him, you are either with the heroes or with the villains, and anyone who dares to criticize superheroes or even laugh at them is evil and schemes to blur the line between good and evil-- and therefore, must be eliminated. He even tried to kill the guy who made a website dedicated to laughing at Spider-Man--[[spoiler:who happened to be [[SelfDeprecation Peter Parker, himself]]]].

'''Administrivia/NoRealLifeExamplesPlease'''; In real life, this viewpoint was often erroneously known in TheNewTwenties as [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Populism Populism]][[note]](The correct term is probably "Anti-Polypopulism", or "there are multiple groups but only ours is right")[[/note]].

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* This happens in the final battle in ''WesternAnimation/IceAge'' when the saber-toothed tigers have Manny the mammoth cornered. However, Diego, [[HeelRealization having realized what wrong he's done]], suddenly blocks in the tigers' path, stunning their leader, [[BigBad Soto]].

* The Wiki/SCPFoundation thinks that the [[UnitedNationsisaSuperpower Global Occult Coalition]] are hypocritical KnightTemplar who think MurderIsTheBestSolution when it comes to the anomalous, but stories focused on them show they're really more of this trope. They're perfectly okay with anomalies as long as they aren't dangerous or don't break the Masquerade.

[[folder:Anime and Manga]]
* ''Anime/DeathNote'': Outright [[MotiveRant declared]] by [[KnightTemplar Light Yagami]] in the 2nd episode before killing Lind L. Tailor.
-->'''Light Yagami:''' You think.... [[BerserkButton I'm evil?!]] ''I am Justice!'' I protect the innocent and those who fear evil! I'll become the [[AGodAmI God]] of [[UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans the new world]] that everyone desires! All those who oppose that God... ''they are the ones who are truly evil!''
* ''Anime/DragonBallSuper'': During the Future Trunks Saga, this is the reason [[spoiler:Goku Black and Future Zamasu [[KillTheGod killed all the gods]] in Future Trunks' timeline. As Black explains, he knew that none of the other gods would ever support or understand his plans or ideals, so they had to die to prevent them from trying to stop him]].
* ''Manga/FoodWars'': When Azami Nakiri [[TyrantTakesTheHelm takes over Tootsuki]], he gives the students two choices: either you adhere to Central's rules and ideology, or you're an enemy to his beliefs that must be removed. Case in point, as soon as he was elected dean he boots off the three Council of Ten members who didn't vote for him, and during the Promotion Exams he does everything he can to make things as hard as possible for the "Rebels" to ensure his victory and expel them.
* ''Manga/GreatTeacherOnizuka'': When the other Angels object to Sho's plan of [[spoiler:murdering Onizuka]], he beats them all up with a BroomstickQuarterstaff.
* ''Anime/MobileSuitGundamSEED'':
** The Atlantic Federation does this with regards to [[TheGoodKingdom Orb]]. Orb has a mass driver, which the Atlantic Federation needs, so they give them this trope as an ultimatum[[note]]This was done mainly by Muruta Azrael; the other leaders of the Atlantic Federation were very reluctant to go along with it[[/note]]. It happens all over again in ''Anime/MobileSuitGundamSEEDDestiny'', (albeit done by [[WesternTerrorists Blue Cosmos]] / [[AncientConspiracy Logos]] this time) when the Destroy Gundam is unleashed on the western Eurasian Federation for being too sympathetic to ZAFT. Durandal also pulls this at the end of the series, stating that anyone who doesn't agree to his Destiny Plan is a threat to world peace, in with the aforementioned terrorists and deserve to be eliminated via KillSat.
* ''Franchise/OnePiece'':
** But not if you are a main character: Your badass status allows you to be supportive or enemy of the World Government with abandon. Neutral countries, on the other hand, have to accept Government leadership, or their whole population will be deported and enslaved. Because the alternative is pirates.
** Essentially how the New World works. As it is demonstrated with the Worst Generation post-timeskip, the only way to survive is to overthrow the Yonko (ie. Law and Kid's alliances who are planning to topple Kaido and Shanks respectively) or swallow your pride and serve under them (ie. Bege and Drake).
* In the ''Manga/ShamanKing'' anime, this is the reason [[KnightTemplar the X-Laws]] hunt down Yoh and his friends. Like Marco said, they become "too powerful to let [them] be."
* This is the mentality of Shinji in ''Anime/YuGiOhArcV''. He advocates for the poor, oppressed people in the city to rise up against the powerful elite; only instead of trying to achieve equality, he's consumed with a desire for revenge and wants to reverse the system, making his oppressors suffer. Throughout the Synchro arc, he becomes more and more militant beliefs, to the point where he regularly turns on his allies the second they don't support his increasingly-hostile ideas, and only his ideas. Any other ideas to fix the system, even in a way that benefits everyone, is seen as them siding with the rich.
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[[folder:Fan Works]]
* {{Inverted}} in ''[[https://www.fanfiction.net/s/8907405/1/Aegis Aegis]]'' where [[Film/{{Underworld}} Amelia]] declares that if [[Series/BuffyTheVampireSlayer Xander]] isn't with the lycans, then he's with the vampires. He agrees when he realizes the other option is to be killed by one faction or the other.
* Granny Hina's general attitude in ''FanFic/AnAlternateKeitaroUrashima'' is that anyone who doesn't go along with her scheming to set Keitaro up as manager is a 'horrible disappointment'. Most of the Hinata Girls have shades of this as well; [[ShrinkingViolet Shinobu]] is the only exception, which causes problems as she struggles with her mixed feelings about the whole awful situation.
* Both Goh and Parker descend into this during the second arc of ''Fanfic/InfinityTrainBlossomingTrail'':
** Goh decides that anyone who doesn't give him ''exactly'' what he wants must be his enemy. This includes anyone expressing concern about anyone ''else'' who's boarded the Train; if they're not focused on Chloe and Chloe ''alone'', he considers that to be betraying both her and him, as he ''needs'' to get her back in order to [[StatusQuoIsGod get everything back to normal]].
*** Note that Goh also sees ''Chloe'' as a traitor because she doesn't ''want'' to return home. She was miserable in Vermillion (though partly because of her own refusal to open up to anyone else), feeling overlooked and bogged down by everyone's presumptions and expectations... and Goh decides that ''he doesn't care how she feels about it'', [[NeverMyFault blaming her for the whole situation]], [[JerkassHasAPoint even if that isn't particularly false]]. He even fantasizes about ''forcing'' her back into her old role, deciding that if she suffers for it, that's a perk rather than a problem -- proper payment for "betraying" him.
** Parker, meanwhile, grows frustrated with how the bullies' LaserGuidedKarma after having their cruelty exposed doesn't feel as though it was enough to make up for how much they hurt his sister. He also worries about the potential of the adults [[AdultsAreUseless breaking their promises again]] and letting things slip back to the way they were before, potentially causing him to lose his sister ''again''... if she even makes it back in the first place. He only gets worse about this later on and tortures many people purely to make himself feel better about their supposed cruelty to Chloe.
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[[folder:Literature]]
* The concept of "War is Peace" in ''Literature/NineteenEightyFour'' boils down to this trope.
* In "Literature/TheBleedingMan", the government official implies that the doctor's lack of enthusiasm for her plans would be troubling to the government higher-ups.
* In ''Literature/DarknessAtNoon'', Rubashov recalls having enforced the principle that not to be absolutely with the Party was to be against the Revolution, and realizes he is doomed by that same principle now that the Party has decided to destroy him.
* Invoked by both sides near the end of ''[[Literature/{{Deryni}} Deryni Checkmate]]'', during the acrimonious Interdict debate in the Curia which began the schism in the Gwyneddian Church. At one point, Cardiel addresses a couple of junior bishops: "Siward? Gilbert? Do you stand with us? Or with Loris?" Loris finally hangs the lampshade when Cardiel (host of the assembly in Dhassa) orders him to leave: "Then it is war. All who side with the enemy shall be counted as the enemy. There can be no other alternative."
* Something of a ZigZaggedTrope in ''Literature/TheDivineComedy'' by Dante Alighieri. Illustrated in the form of this quote.
-->"The darkest places in Hell are reserved for those who remain neutral in times of a moral crisis."
** Considering what happened to him (Website/TheOtherWiki has a lot of information on that), this view becomes [[ItMakesSenseInContext understandable in hindsight]].
* In ''The Literature/{{Illuminatus}} Trilogy'', Hagbard Celine says, "People who say, 'You are either a part of the problem or a part of the solution' are usually the former."
** This was one common slogan activists used in TheSixties, making it a TakeThat.
* In the ''Literature/LeftBehind'' books, during the Tribulation, it eventually comes down to joining God or joining the Global Community, as both sides end up squashing any sign of neutrality on the issue.
* Belgarath defines the battle at the core of ''Literature/TheMalloreon'' as "them and us" at one point (as opposed to "good and evil", which he considers a dangerous game to start playing).
* In ''Literature/ASongOfIceAndFire'' Melisandre believes that people either are on the side of her god [[LightIsNotGood R'hllor]] or that of the [[EvilIsDeathlyCold Great Other]]. She uses the analogy of a half-rotten onion to prove to Ser Davos that a man who is half-evil is still evil, not good.
** Cersei has the more selfish, very paranoid form of this: either you are on her side (and agree with almost everything she says or does), or you're an enemy she must belittle, control, side-line and/or get rid of. The pool of people "on her side" -- isn't all that great in size, and it gets smaller book by book as she turns on even those who were genuinely on her side at some point. See, if you disagree with her and she has some emotional investment in what you're unhappy about, you just have to be an enemy now. It's that simple. It goes about as well as you'd imagine. If not worse.
** King Aerys "The Mad" Targaryen was very much like Cersei in that it was his own self-centred paranoia that eventually turned him into a side of one vs pretty much the whole Kingdom. Cersei's own brother, Jaime, eventually put him out of his (and everybody else's) misery, the poor sod.
* In the ''Literature/SwordOfTruth'' series, one of the explicitly stated {{Aesop}}s is that our lives are our own, and we should do with them as we choose. Not a horribly warped lesson, right? Yet Goodkind turns this into a BrokenAesop with parts of the rest of the books that claim the only "real" choice for our lives is to fall in line with his views, and that any other choice just makes you as wrong than the bad guys. Even if people have been lied to all their lives, like the Hakens in ''Soul of the Fire'', they either side with Richard, or they have crossed the MoralEventHorizon, and should die like the evil swine they are.
** Similarly, the bad guys' whole belief system is based around the exact opposite idea, that your life should be spent only serving others, and if you are special in any way or, God forbid, try to enjoy life, you deserve everything the evil army is going to do to you. In fact, it's not so much "any other choice makes you wrong," as the only choices: Side with Richard (and probably be steamrolled by the Order anyway), be willingly oppressed by the Order and (probably) live, or get caught in between them and die either way. This is a world with no middle ground.
* In ''Literature/TheThrawnTrilogy'', Borsk Fey'lya sees his political rivals as his enemies. He's not above leaving them to die, and thinks that everyone else thinks in similar terms. Thrawn in fact counts on Fey'lya acting this way to paralyze the New Republic and dispose of the people who pose a real danger to him, like Admiral Ackbar. This is a trait that most Bothan share; [[http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Bothan Bothan society]] is based around a system where the pursuit of power and influence were paramount, and it was quite normal to use backstabbing, political maneuvering and character assassinations against others to gain influence. However, they previously only did it within their own society; Borsk was either unable or unwilling to see that other races didn't operate this way. Thrawn, having analyzed species' psychology based on their artwork, knew and took full advantage of it.
* In ''Literature/{{Thud}}!'', the narrator discusses the increasing dwarf/troll conflict and its effect of causing dwarfs and trolls to resign from the watch:
--> Some people would be asking: Whose side are you on? If you're not with us, you're against us. Huh. If you're not an apple, you're a banana!
%%* A major part of ''Literature/{{Victoria}}''.
* ''Literature/XWingSeries'': Elscol Loro, an anti-Imperial fighter who's much more extreme than the New Republic, has come to believe this by ''The Bacta War''. She tells Iella that there's no way to really stay "neutral". Either you're with the Empire or against them. Attempting to not get involved just tacitly supports the status quo of the Empire. As a result, she claims she'll target civilians if they don't wake up and side with her fight, but Iella reigns her in.

[[folder:Live-Action TV]]
* In the ''Series/{{Arrow}}'' episode "[[Recap/ArrowS5E7Vigilante Vigilante]]," Vigilante says this almost word-for-word to Comicbook/GreenArrow, regarding Vigilante's war on crime. Green Arrow, seeing Vigilante as the crazy KnightTemplar VigilanteMan he is, declares that he is against him. It's eventually revealed that [[spoiler:Vigilante is a former Central City cop, who was shot in the head at the same moment as he was hit by the [[Series/TheFlash2014 particle accelerator explosion]]. While the dark matter did grant him a HealingFactor, it may have also left him with some brain damage]].
* ''Series/BlakesSeven''. In "Star One", the MasterComputer that runs the Terran Federation has been sabotaged, causing chaos across the galaxy. Supreme Commander Servalan uses this as a pretext to [[MilitaryCoup seize power]], declaring that anyone who opposes her is part of the sabotage conspiracy. Ironically it was [[DespotismJustifiesTheMeans Servalan's self-centred scheming]] that lead to Star One being compromised in the first place.
* PlayedForLaughs on ''Series/TheColbertReport'', by being the basis of Stephen Colbert's life philosophy. "You're either with us or you're against us. It is either Coke or Pepsi. You're either gay or you fight it." Finally he states he divides the supermarket into "cheese" and "not cheese." He also tends to badger people, including guests, who do not fall into one of his two categories, with "Pick a side--we're at war."
* Parodied in a 2014 episode of ''Series/TheDailyShow'', as Jon Stewart tries to talk about Israel's actions towards Palestine, [[TheComplainerIsAlwaysWrong only to be immediately shouted down by the Daily Show correspondents, who criticize him for being anti-Israel]], one of whom even calls him a "[[NoTrueScotsman self-loathing Jew]]." This leads Jon to mention that being critical of Israel's actions does not imply approving Hamas' actions. [[HeadsIWinTailsYouLose However, this leads to the correspondents shouting at him for ignoring the plight of the Palestinian people]].
* ''Series/{{Dominion}}'': During the [[GreatOffscreenWar Extermination War]], the higher angels declared neutrality, something that [[BigGood Michael]] respected. However, now that many of them have joined [[BigBad Gabriel]], that agreement has been invalidated; Michael tells the higher angels living in secret in Vega to either stand with him, or leave the city.
* ''Series/GameOfThrones'':
** Queen Cersei Lannister tells her son Joffrey that "Everyone who isn't us is the enemy." This is all very well when House Lannister is the most powerful and wealthy family in the Seven Kingdoms, but after years of war drain their resources they make an alliance with House Tyrell. Cersei fails to understand the necessity for power-sharing, and her efforts to undermine the Tyrells instead of working with them cause disaster for everyone.
** Stannis Baratheon:
--> '''Stannis:''' The Iron Throne is mine. By right. All those that deny that are my foes.
* ''Series/IronFist2017''. Once he gains the power of the Iron Fist, Davos goes round [[VigilanteMan killing members of the Triads]]. Joy Meachum argues that this will make him a HeroWithBadPublicity, so Davos approaches Mr. Yip, a local businessman who was being shaken down by the Triad gangs, and offers his protection free of charge. Yip however is afraid of taking sides in the conflict and refuses the offer, so Davos decides he's with the Triads and kills him, to the shock of his own gang.
* ''Series/{{Napoleon}}'': When Napoleon visits Fouché, the Minister of Police, to demand his support for Napoleon's coup on 18 brumaire, he states that Fouché must decide on the spot whether he's with him or against him. He also points out that he's now Fouché's only hope, since both the royalists and republicans will want to execute him for treason and conspiracy.
* ''Series/OurMissBrooks'': Mr. Conklin's given Miss Brooks this ultimatum a couple times, in order to force her compliance with a dubious scheme of his. Usually, however, Mr. Conklin chooses to warn Miss Brooks that it's in his power to make her time at teaching at Madison High "either very pleasant or very ''miserable''."
* In ''Series/PowerRangersSPD'', Emperor Grumm gave Piggy this ultimatum to ensure that he had his aid in his conquest of Earth. Even when Piggy said that he'd swear allegiance to him, Grumm ''still'' demanded he go into a pit of torture for a day to think it over.
* ''Series/StarTrekDeepSpaceNine'':
** Commander Kira tells this lesson to the Cardassians when they've started a rebellion. She's reminded in the same episode that Odo (her lover) used to be against the Bajorans while the Cardassians were occupying her planet.
** Kira to Odo: "We used to have a saying in the resistance, 'If you're not fighting them, you're helping them.'" Kira holds a very dichotomised view of "collaborators", particularly in the days immediately after the Cardassian Occupation, and one which is challenged on several occasions through the course of the series.
** In "The Darkness and the Light", members of her former terrorists cell were killed. Eventually she found that it was a Cardassian wounded in one of their bombings seeking revenge. He stated he'd been a civilian servant, not involved with the crimes against Bajorans, and worked in a building they bombed. Kira doesn't care-she considers them all guilty, as [[OccupiersOutOfOurCountry none of them should have been there on Bajor to begin with]]. Yes, there is a reason she admits to being a former ''terrorist''...
* [[BigBad Commander Dolim]] gives this ultimatum on ''Series/StarTrekEnterprise'' when he announces that the Reptilian and Insectoid Xindi have taken control of the EarthShatteringKaboom weapon and are going to use it on Earth. The other Xindi refuse to cooperate with him, and civil war breaks out.
* Russel Hantz tried this phrase on Sandra during ''Series/{{Survivor}} : Heroes Vs. Villains''. Backfired spectacularly when Sandra immediately told him she was against him, something those on the Survivor Jury loved.

[[folder:Music]]
* 'Which Side Are You On?,' the classic union-organizing song from the 1930s.
-->They say in Harlan County\\
There are no neutrals there\\
You'll either be a union man\\
Or a thug for J. H. Claire

[[folder:Professional Wrestling]]
* Pro Wrestling Revolution was conceived as a member of the Wrestling/NationalWrestlingAlliance but in 2009 Fab Ramirez tried to expand, declaring if you weren't with Revolution, you were against Revolution, causing Billy Blade to [[RebelliousRebel break away and start Vendetta Pro in defiance of him]].
* An unfortunate example happened with Wrestling/{{TNA}} Wrestling president Dixie Carter, [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wn13PwaRQ6s giving a big speech]] to the wrestlers before an episode of iMPACT! in which she acknowledged the awful decisions being made by the company, and rather than do anything about it, told the wrestlers to shut up or leave. Either they were behind her, or they could leave the company. [[http://www.wrestlezone.com/editorials/article/it-just-keeps-getting-better-90269 This]] [[http://www.vivekwwe.com/wwenews/1585-wwe-reacts-to-tna-president-dixie-carter-speech.html did]] [[http://www.prowrestling.net/artman/publish/powelleditorials/article1008702.shtml not]] [[http://www.wrestling-edge.com/tna-news/tna-wrestler-reacts-to-dixie-carters-speech-details-on-the-black-machismo-invitational.html go]] [[http://www.wrestleview.com/news2009/1257714323.php over]] [[http://www.zimbio.com/TNA+Wrestling/articles/UVojvt1i_cO/Industry+Weighs+Dixie+Carter+Speech well]] [[http://www.camelclutchblog.com/dixie-carter-paul-heyman/ with]] [[http://www.ukff.com/lofiversion/index.php/t116095.html anyone]] at all.
* A {{Kayfabe}} example would be the {{Catchphrase}} of Wrestling/TheNexus. You're either Nexus, or you're against us!
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[[folder:Radio]]
* On ''The Coodabeen Champions'', one-eyed [[UsefulNotes/AustralianRulesFootball Collingwood]] fan Digger once complained about how the umpires were running the game: "The way they were umpiring, you would have thought they didn't care whether Collingwood won or they didn't!" Tony pointed out that they weren't ''meant'' to care, prompting an angry rant.
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[[folder:Video Games]]
* In the second part of the ''VideoGame/BioShockInfinite'' DLC ''Burial At Sea'', Elizabeth is making her way through the newly war-torn Rapture when Ryan gets wind of her and contacts her wondering what she is doing in the city and offers to let her fight for him. She makes it clear she's on her own mission and doesn't want anything to do with Rapture or his war. But Ryan, paranoid as always of outsiders, takes that to mean she's a "parasite" and sics his splicers on her.
* The AI in the ''VideoGame/{{Civilization}}'' series often act like this: Trade with them, or be considered enemy; trade with their enemies and also be considered enemies. This is particularly visible in ''IV''; there, it's near impossible to stay neutral unless you have the forces and tech advanced so no one want to wage war against you anyway, unless you have a different religion as [[TriggerHappy Isabella]], who invokes "With Us or Against Us" on your state religion.
* ''VideoGame/DiabloIII'': Due to their half-angel half-demon heritage, humans of Sanctuary are '''''utterly''''' hated by most angels and demons, to the point of being obsessed with killing them even more than their "eternal enemies." The madmen among humans tend to return the sentiment. Examples include:
** Demonkind decided to stop fighting angels and focused specifically on mankind, recognizing their potential and their corruption of evil itself. Belial and Azmodan in particular wage bloody and costly war instead of taking the smart route and stealing what they need to destroy everyone - their hatred of humanity is that immense. It is no wonder it eventually bites them in the ass, as the player character manages to figure out the ''Lord of Lies'' and utterly decimates the armies of the ''greatest military commander of the Burning Hells''.
** Angelkind could not stomach the demonic corruption of humanity, and left them to die as they focused on defending the High Heavens and fighting in pandemonium, even as the armies of the damned were routed straight to Sanctuary. Imperius constantly berates the player character, and Malthael went insane with a thirst for human souls.
** Some humans find both of these attitudes disgusting and plan to kill anyone in their way, regardless of alignment. Examples include Zoltun Kulle and the Templar Grand Master.
** Unfortunately, this attitude is starting to bite the ass of all sides when the Humans managed to produce a God-like champion called the Nephalem, who has the power to wage a one man war against heaven and hell alike and is violently protective of humanity.
* ''Franchise/DragonAge'':
** ''VideoGame/DragonAgeOrigins'': The BigBad Loghain's game-long paranoia regarding Orlais ([[FantasyCounterpartCulture Fantasy Medieval France]]), and his conviction that they're using the [[WorldWreckingWave the Blight]] as a smokescreen to send in Grey Warden spies to infiltrate and retake Ferelden ([[FantasyCounterpartCulture Fantasy Medieval England]]) from within, becomes so intense by the end-game that he's ''convinced'' that you're either with him and thus the nation's continued freedom, or you're against Ferelden's independence and are an Orlesian spy/sympathizer.
** In ''VideoGame/DragonAgeII'', tensions between the mages and the templars in Kirkwall reach a peak when [[spoiler:Anders blows up the Chantry]] that Hawke is forced to either side with the mages and protect them from the Templars or side with the Templars and exterminate the mages.
*** By Act III, Meredith is so paranoid that she believes that anyone who disagrees with her is a blood mage's slave. She refuses to acknowledge the possibility that her fellow Templars might disagree with her entirely of their own free will. You're either with her, or with the blood mages. [[spoiler:This gets even more pronounced when she whips out her lyrium idol sword, which was the cause of Bartrand's insanity and also what pushes her to the edge]].
*** [[spoiler: By the end of the game, Anders has deteriorated to the point that anybody who does not explicitly share his exact opinions on mage freedom fighting is just as bad as an enemy. It's difficult to say how much of this is from Anders himself and how much comes from [[EnemyWithin Vengeance]]]].
** ''VideoGame/DragonAgeInquisition'': Sera claims to [[MySpeciesDothProtestTooMuch dislikes elven culture's]] "us against them" attitude toward humans, yet ironically holds this view between nobles and commoners, and "elfy elves" verses everyone else. It also comes to a head in her romance with a [[PlayerCharacter Elven Inquisitor]], as [[spoiler:she'll force you to choose between your elfy beliefs or the relationship]].
--->'''Sera:''' Take your elves. I'm just people.
* ''Franchise/TheElderScrolls'':
** In ''[[VideoGame/TheElderScrollsIIIMorrowind Morrowind]]'', Balmora Mages Guild Stewardess Ranis Athrys has this attitude toward any mages who do not join the Mages Guild. Several of the quests she gives involve convincing these outsider mages to join the Guild, and in most cases, [[JoinOrDie killing the mage]] in question is an acceptable quest resolution to her.
** ''[[VideoGame/TheElderScrollsVSkyrim Skyrim]]'':
*** Ulfric Stormcloak is like this. In the words of Jarl Balgruuf:
----> '''Balgruuf (paraphrased)''': "To not fight with him is to side against him!"
*** Jarl Balgruuf of Whiterun is desperate to try remain neutral in the conflict. When first asked what side he supports, he replies "[[TakeAThirdOption Whiterun's]]." He eventually is [[NeutralNoLonger forced to choose]], however and lends his support to the Empire.
*** After a certain point in the main quest [[spoiler:the Blades discover that the Dragonborn has been working with Paarthurnax, who is a dragon and the former right hand of [[BigBad Alduin]], and they refuse to cooperate with him any further unless he kills Paarthurnax for his past crimes against mankind. The player doesn't have to do this to finish the main quest, but the Blades cannot be convinced to let their grudge go]].
---->[[spoiler:'''Delphine''']]: "It's your choice Dragonborn: us or him."
* In ''[[VideoGame/FireEmblemFates Fire Emblem Fates]]'', both Hoshido and Nohr nations will treat you this way if you choose one side over the other, especially in the Revelations path if you choose neither side. A few individuals ''do'' eventually warm up to you.
* [[spoiler:Edelgard]]'s belief in this in ''VideoGame/FireEmblemThreeHouses'' is the reason they end up as TheHeavy on every route besides their own. Some of their opponents [[WellIntentionedExtremist sympathise with their intentions]], but [[spoiler:Edelgard]] feels the only way to change the world involves defeating anyone who isn't absolutely on their side.
* Namm, the angelic god of justice from the ''VideoGame/NexusWar'' series, is so absorbed with the necessity of his war with the ManipulativeBastard demon lord Tlacolotl that he considers anyone not as dedicated to the war as he is to be a real or potential enemy. Casualties of this so far include mortals who haven't become angels fast enough, anyone who tries to sit the war out, angels who don't have perfect scores on the KarmaMeter, and [[spoiler:Azazel, another angelic deity]] who Namm didn't think was supporting him enough. Namm's attitude is the main [[DarkMessiah recruitment]] method for Tlacolotl, yet at the same time Tlacolotl really ''is'' enough of a threat to the universe that it's not clear whether Namm is actually wrong or not.
* In ''VideoGame/PlayStationAllStarsBattleRoyale'':
** This is the reason for [[VideoGame/InFamous Good!Cole MacGrath]] starting up a rivalry with [[VideoGame/MetalGearRisingRevengeance Raiden]].
--->'''Good!Cole:''' You're either gonna help me, or I'm gonna stop you... here.
** This is also why [[VideoGame/ApeEscape Spike]] fights [[VideoGame/ParappaTheRapper Parappa]]. Parappa questions Spike's constant pursuit of monkeys, and asks him if he dislikes fun. Spike comes to the conclusion that Parappa must be working for [[BigBad Specter]] if he's defending the monkeys at all.
* ''VideoGame/ShinMegamiTensei'' series as a whole can be summed up as "the armies of Heaven and Hell hate each other's guts but constantly point their weapons at neutral humans to the point of hating them even more." Figuring out why is usually a plot point; sometimes HumansAreTheRealMonsters, but sometimes [[HeartIsAnAwesomePower they're more powerful than they realize and the supernatural world fears them]].
* Victor Saltzpyre of the ''[[Videogame/{{VermintideII}} Vermintide]]'' series subverts the trope somewhat by playing it far more compassionately. He is an ardent believer that everyone is either with [[AlwaysChaoticEvil Chaos]] or against them.... but in his case, it means that he is willing to [[EnemyMine join forces with factions the Empire is usually on bad terms with]], so long as the end goal harms their mutual enemy.
* ''VideoGame/WorldOfWarcraft'':
** The Scarlet Crusade believes its holy purpose is to destroy the Scourge. However, they believe that anybody who has not joined the Crusade is likely a carrier of the plague and is thus their enemy as well. Only when preparing to face Kel'thuzad have they grudgingly worked alongside other groups.
** Garrosh officially adopts this philosophy as of ''Tides of War'', declaring that all members of the Horde, even those who aren't in a military occupation (including civilians and shopkeepers) must swear absolute loyalty to him and him alone, or be put to death.
* In ''[[Videogame/{{X}} X3: Albion Prelude]]'', the Terran Conflict has this in spades in the war zones. The two human factions, the [[HumanityIsAdvanced high-tech]] Earth State ("Terrans"), and their LostColony, the Argon Federation, are locked in a GuiltFreeExterminationWar. Even if you're a loved Guardian of Earth in the Solar system and celebrated Federation Marshall in Argon Prime, the Argon Federation navy will blow your ships up left and right in the conflict zone because the Terrans like you more. The same applies with the Terrans if your reputation is ever so slightly higher with the Argon. If you're neutral with both, they'll take turns blowing your crap up. However, outside of these war zones both sides will happily sell you battleships even if they just blew your stuff up two systems over.
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* ''Manga/FoodWars'': When Azami Nakiri [[TyrantTakesTheHelm takes over Tootsuki]], he gives the students two choices: either you adhere to Central's rules and ideology, or you're an enemy to his beliefs that must be removed. Case in point, as soon as he was elected dean he boots off the three Council of Ten members who didn't vote for him, and during the Promotion Exams he does everything he can to make things as hard as possible for the "Rebels" to ensure his victory and expel them.
* ''Manga/GreatTeacherOnizuka'': When the other Angels object to Sho's plan of [[spoiler:murdering Onizuka]], he beats them all up with a BroomstickQuarterstaff.

* ''[[Franchise/SpiderMan Spider-Man]]: ComicBook/BrandNewDay'' has [[ExactlyWhatItSaysOnTheTin The Extremist]]. To him, you are either with the heroes or with the villains, and anyone who dares to criticize superheroes or even laugh at them is evil and schemes to blur the line between good and evil-- and therefore, must be eliminated. He even tried to kill the guy who made a website dedicated to laughing at Spider-Man--[[spoiler: who happened to be [[SelfDeprecation Peter Parker, himself]]]].

** Given that is was made in TheFifties, this is likely a reference to [=McCarthyism=], in which many Hollywood people were ruined for declining to name DirtyCommunists alleged to be among them.

* PlayedForLaughs in ''Film/StreetFighter'' when tensions arise between Bison and Sagat's men after Bison welshes on a debt by paying with his worthless "Bison dollars" which he believes will be valuable after kidnapping Britain's queen, and Sagat in turn presses Bison's BerserkButton by calling him a raving lunatic and throwing it in a fire. Ryu and Ken wander in at the absolute worst possible time, with Ryu grabbed by Sagat and Ken grabbed by Bison, and we get this exchange:
--> '''Bison:''' You're either with us... or ''against'' us!
--> '''Ken:''' Uh... is that multiple choice?
* The 1944 British film ''Film/TheHalfwayHouse'' was made during the Second World War and and while it isn't directly a war film has a firm patriotic tone. This trope is particularly important with the lone character from a neutral country, the Irish Terence who is urged by everyone including his English girlfriend not to accept a promotion to the Irish embassy in Berlin. In the end he decides against it and is even implied to join the British armed forces.

--> "The darkest places in Hell are reserved for those who remain neutral in times of a moral crisis."

* In ''Series/PowerRangersSPD'', Emperor Grumm gave Piggy this ultimatum to ensure that he had his aid in his conquest of Earth. Even when Piggy said that he'd swear allegiance to him, Grumm ''still'' demanded he go into a pit of torture for a day to think it over.

-->They say in Harlan County
-->There are no neutrals there
-->You'll either be a union man
-->Or a thug for J. H. Claire

* Pretty much said word for word in ''Theatre/LoveInHateNation'' by Susannah to [[spoiler: Miss Asp as the girls destroy Nation and threaten her into joining them.]]

** Unfortunately this attitude is starting to bite the ass of all sides when the Humans managed to produce a God-like champion called the Nephalem, who has the power to wage a one man war against heaven and hell alike and is violently protective of humanity.

* ''Franchise/TheElderScrolls''

*** After a certain point in the main quest [[spoiler: the Blades discover that the Dragonborn has been working with Paarthurnax, who is a dragon and the former right hand of [[BigBad Alduin]], and they refuse to cooperate with him any further unless he kills Paarthurnax for his past crimes against mankind. The player doesn't have to do this to finish the main quest, but the Blades cannot be convinced to let their grudge go]].
----> [[spoiler:'''Delphine''']]: "It's your choice Dragonborn: us or him."

* [[spoiler: Edelgard]]'s belief in this in ''VideoGame/FireEmblemThreeHouses'' is the reason they end up as TheHeavy on every route besides their own. Some of their opponents [[WellIntentionedExtremist sympathise with their intentions]], but [[spoiler: Edelgard]] feels the only way to change the world involves defeating anyone who isn't absolutely on their side.

---> '''Good!Cole''': You're either gonna help me, or I'm gonna stop you... here.

* Lock-up in ''WesternAnimation/BatmanTheAnimatedSeries'' actually says, "If you're not part of the solution, then you're part of the problem." (Throughout the episode, he also blamed the "liberal media," as well as "gutless police, mindless bureaucrats, and coddling doctors" for society's problems, so he's really more of an outright criticism of conservative argumentation.)

** Considering what happened to him (Wiki/TheOtherWiki has a lot of information on that), this view becomes [[ItMakesSenseInContext understandable in hindsight]].

TruthInTelevision, as anyone who has gone to a FlameWar on a political or religious (or anti-religious) MessageBoard can attest. Wiki/TheOtherWiki [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/You%27re_either_with_us%2C_or_against_us can attest, too]]. The phrase "if you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem" is frequently used as a more polite-sounding version that nonetheless amounts to the same thing. With that said, Administrivia/NoRealLifeExamplesPlease. TheFundamentalist is in every kind of belief that can be named, so they're all as bad as non-belief--so there's no need to pick out the crazies who think anyone who has or does not have pineapple on pizza should die or anything.

* The Wiki/SCPFoundation thinks that the [[UnitedNationsisaSuperpower Global Occult Coalition]] are hypocritical KnightTemplar who think MurderIsTheBestSolution when it comes to the anomalous, but stories focused on them show they’re really more of this trope. They’re perfectly okay with anomalies as long as they aren’t dangerous or don’t break the Masquerade.

** Demonkind decided to stop fighting angels and focused specifically on mankind, recognizing their potential and their corruption of evil itself. Belial and Azmodan in particular wage bloody and COSTLY war instead of taking the smart route and stealing what they need to destroy everyone. Their hatred of humanity MADE THEM STUPID (The player character manages to figure out the '''LORD OF LIES''' and utterly decimates the armies of the '''GREATEST BATTLEFIELD COMMANDER OF THE BURNING HELLS''').
** Angelkind could not stomach the demonic corruption of humanity, and left them to die as they focused on defending the High Heavens and fighting in pandemonium, even as the armies of the damned were routed straight to Sanctuary. Imperius constantly berates the Player Character, and Malthael went insane with a thirst for human souls.
** Some humans find both of these attitudes disgusting and plan to kill anyone in their way, regardless of alignment. Examples include Zoltan Kulle and the Templar Grand Master.
** Unfortunately this attitude is starting to bite the ass of all sides when the Humans managed to produce a God-like champion called the Nephilim, who has the power to wage a one man war against heaven and hell alike and is violently protective of humanity.

*** Note that Goh also sees ''Chloe'' as a traitor because she doesn't ''want'' to return home. She was ''miserable'' in Vermillion, feeling overlooked and bogged down by everyone's presumptions and expectations... and Goh decides that ''he doesn't care how she feels about it'', [[NeverMyFault blaming her for the whole situation]], [[JerkassHasAPoint even if that isn't particularly false]]. He even fantasizes about ''forcing'' her back into her old role, deciding that if she suffers for it, that's a perk rather than a problem -- proper payment for "betraying" him.

[[DescribeTopicHere Describe With Us or Against Us here]], [[SelfDemonstratingArticle or you are my enemy!]]

** The irony in Obi-Wan's response is often pointed out, but this does illustrate a key difference between Jedi and Sith, even though Palpatine pointed out some of their similarities. The Jedi believe in absolute Good and Evil, but acknowledge that most people are neutral in this conflict and that asking everyone to be on the side of Good would be too much, thus them remaining neutral is a good compromise. The Sith compromise the distinction between Good and Evil because they only care about themselves or at best their family, but they hate or despise anyone who isn't helping them and are thus absolutists on the matter of their own self-interests. Anakin's sentence is in line with a Darksider's psychology, Obi-Wan's was not the most fitting but it doesn't mean as much about the Jedis' hypocrisy as many believe.