History Main / JewsLoveToArgue

* Creator/AAPessimal's ''Literature/{{Discworld}}''-set fic ''FanFic/GapYearAdventures'' finds two recent graduates of the Assassins' Guild School visiting Klatch and Howondaland. The two girls find themselves on a struggling newly-established kibbutz in [[UsefulNotes/{{Israel}} Cenotia]]. [[AmoralAfrikaner Mariella]] who was brought up on a farm in [[UsefulNotes/SouthAfrica Rimwards Howondaland]] finds herself, by default, as Most Experienced Person in charge. She is utterly exasperated by the tendency of the kibbutzim to down tools and argue rather then get down to collective farming. Her Cenotian best friend is more realistic.

* The Ray Bradbury story "Téte-À-Téte" is about a constantly arguing old Jewish married couple, although in this case, they do not actually listen to what the each other is actually saying. When the husband dies, the story's protagonist uses a recording to let the wife continue arguing with her late husband.

** Stewart uses this joke in his stand up, including why it proves there isn't a [[GreedyJew Jewish conspiracy to control the banks]]. They couldn't get the meeting started without an argument.

* ''Series/{{Seinfeld}}'' features a great deal of very Jewy arguments over the trivialities of day-to-day life. Jerry is Jewish and, according to WordOfGod, George is half Jewish on his mother's side.[[note]] Off screen, Jason Alexander is Jewish on both sides of his family, as are his on-screen parents, Jerry Stiller and Estelle Harris (their families are mostly of Polish/Ukrainian origin).[[/note]]

** As recorded in the Talmud, there's also a story of Rabbi Eliezer ben Hyrcanus, a prominent (and ''extremely'' conservative) Roman era rabbi, trying to convince the Sanhedrin that he was in the right about a particular kind of oven being impervious to Levitical uncleanness. Even when overruled, he managed to call on various signs from the natural world (trees, a stream, the beams of the Sanhedrin building) to show he was in the right. Each time, the Sanhedrin ''dismissed the sign'' as the sign-bearer do not innately have the qualifications to comment on Jewish law.[[note]] In Jewish tradition, arguments must be won through logical debate, not miracles, under the grounds that lots of people, even non-Jews, can do (or appear to do) miracles.[[/note]] Finally, Eliezer beseeched ''God Himself'' to step in... which He ''did'', identifying Eliezer as correct about the oven being tamei-proof. Cue the Sanhedrin head ''rebuking God for this'', even quoting Deuteronomy to the effect that the demands of the law put jurisdiction ''only'' among the rabbis; "it is not in the heavens". Let that sink in; the rabbis ''[[RefugeInAudacity dismissed]] '''[[DidYouJustPunchOutCthulhu God]]''' [[RefugeInAudacity for overstepping His legal bounds]]''. Best part? Immediately afterwards, at the throne of Heaven, God was ''laughing with delight'', saying "My children have defeated Me, My children have defeated Me!".

-->''[After they track Homer down in the Dome of the Rock]''
--> '''Jakob:''' Before you go in, you fill out comment card. ''[Marge grudgingly fills out card]'' Okay. Uh, eh, don't forget the back!
--> '''Marge:''' You people are so pushy.
--> '''Jakob:''' What, Israeli people are pushy? How about you experience a couple of genocides and see how laid-back you are? We were purged from Spain! Throw out of there! They allow everybody in Spain! But for us, Jews, no flamenco, get out! ''([[TranquilFury An annoyed Marge starts walking away without saying a word]])'' I'm pushy? Please. You stay there, surrounded by your great enemy, Canada! Try Syria for two months, then we'll see who's pushy!
* In ''WesternAnimation/{{Rugrats}}'', Tommy's maternal grandparents, Boris and Minka. Any time Boris asks Minka anything, her response was always, "What do I look like here? Your servant girl?"

* The short story "Pushing the Envelope" by Desmond Warzel begins and ends with a JewishMother arguing with her son: first, that she wants him to move out of her house; then, after he does, that she never sees him anymore.

** As recorded in the Talmud, there's also a story of Rabbi Eliezer ben Hyrcanus, a prominent (and ''extremely'' conservative) Roman era rabbi, trying to convince the Sanhedrin that he was in the right about a particular kind of oven being impervious to Levitical uncleanness. Even when overruled, he managed to call on various signs from the natural world (trees, a stream, the beams of the Sanhedrin building) to show he was in the right. Each time, the Sanhedrin ''dismissed the sign'' as the sign-bearer do not innately have the qualifications to comment on Jewish law.[[note]] In Jewish tradition, arguments must be won through logical debate, not miracles, under the grounds that lots of people, even non-Jews, can do (or appear to do) miracles.[[/note]] Finally, Eliezer beseeched ''God Himself'' to step in...which He ''did'', identifying Eliezer as correct about the oven being tamei-proof. Cue the Sanhedrin head ''rebuking God for this'', even quoting Deuteronomy to the effect that the demands of the law put jurisdiction ''only'' among the rabbis; "it is not in the heavens". Let that sink in; the rabbis ''[[RefugeInAudacity dismissed]] '''[[DidYouJustPunchOutCthulhu God]]''' [[RefugeInAudacity for overstepping His legal bounds]]''. Best part? Immediately afterwards, at the throne of Heaven, God was ''laughing with delight'', saying "My children have defeated Me, My children have defeated Me!".

* [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dlmeKoo1Kbg This]] video of two [[TakeThatMe Jewish]] brothers [[LikeAnOldMarriedCouple imitating an old Jewish couple]] arguing about the logistics of doing a drive-by.

*** It also ends up in [[UsefulNotes/{{Christianity}} Christian tradition]]: a good part of Literature/TheFourGospels records UsefulNotes/{{Jesus}} arguing with Pharisees, and even with his own disciples, about the correct interpretations and applications of the Law of Moses. In turn, the Literature/ActsOfTheApostles and the Epistles involve Paul arguing with other Jewish converts over whether gentile converts have to keep Torah, the apostles getting into scraps with the Sanhedrin over whether it's permissible to preach in the name of Jesus, and Paul even starting a dispute between Pharisees and Saducees to get himself out of trouble.

** Jakob, the tour guide in "The Greatest Story Ever D'ohed".

-->'''Cheery Littlebottom:''' Dwarfs are very argumentative. Of course, many wouldn't agree.

* Creator/AAPessimal's ''Literature/{{Discworld}}''-set fic ''FanFic/GapYearAdventures'' finds two recent graduates of the Assassins' Guild School visiting Klatch and Howondaland. The two girls find themselves on a struggling newly-established kibbutz in [[UsefulNotes/{{Israel}} Cenotia]]. [[AmoralAfrikaner Mariella]] who was brought up on a farm in [[UsefulNotes/SouthAfrica Rimwards Howondaland]] finds herself, by default, as Most Experienced Person in charge. She is utterly exasperated by the tendency of the kibbutzim to down tools and argue rather then get down to collective farming.

'''''Zeh ''Tropes'' shel ashkenazim be-amerika, ya ben zona!''[[note]]These are American Ashkenazi tropes, you son of a bitch![[/note]] You Americans think that [[WeAllLiveInAmerica all Jews are exactly like the]] [[JewishAndNerdy Nebbish]], [[AllJewsAreAshkenazi Ashkenazi]] ''frayerim''[[note]]suckers, though with a much more negative connotation compared to the US[[/note]] you call Jews...'''

* Literature/TheBible: This is what the Midrash and the Literature/{{Talmud}} are, Rabbis arguing. In the Torah, Jews argue with God. Abraham frickin' haggles with God over the number of righteous men needed to save Sodom and Gomorrah. Just to clarify: The Talmud is a record of rabbis arguing, often over other arguments which are over the Midrash's arguments with itself. Traditional Talmud study is basically nonstop arguing. So really people are [[SerialEscalation arguing about arguments about arguments about arguments. Then they start comparing]] ''those'' arguments...

** Moses also argues with God when he wants to destroy the People of Israel and make Moses into the (first of the) new People of Israel. Moses argues with God and ''[[WowingCthulhu wins the argument.]]'' And this happens over. And over. And over.

** As recorded in the Talmud, there's also a story of Rabbi Eliezer ben Hyrcanus, a prominent (and ''extremely'' conservative) Roman era rabbi, trying to convince the Sanhedrin that he was in the right about a particular kind of oven being impervious to Levitical uncleanness. Even when overruled, he managed to call on various signs from the natural world (trees, a stream, the beams of the Sanhedrin building) to show he was in the right. Each time, the Sanhedrin ''dismissed the sign'' as the sign-bearer do not innately have the qualifications to comment on Jewish law.[[note]] In Jewish tradition, arguments must be won through logical debate, not miracles, under the grounds that lots of people, even non-Jews, can do (or appear to do) miracles.[[/note]] Finally, Eliezer beseeched ''God himself'' to step in...which he ''did'', identifying Eliezer as correct about the oven being tamei-proof. Cue the Sanhedrin head ''rebuking God for this'', even quoting Deuteronomy to the effect that the demands of the law put jurisdiction ''only'' among the rabbis; "it is not in the heavens". Let that sink in; the rabbis ''[[RefugeInAudacity dismissed]] '''[[DidYouJustPunchOutCthulhu God]]''' [[RefugeInAudacity for overstepping his legal bounds]]''. Best part? Immediately afterwards, at the throne of Heaven, God was ''laughing with delight'', saying "My children have defeated me, my children have defeated me!".

** Moses also argues with God when he wants to destroy the People of Israel and make Moses into the (first of the) new People of Israel. Moses argues with God and ''[[DidYouJustPunchOutCthulhu wins the argument.]]'' And this happens over. And over. And over.

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** While doing [[http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/thu-july-19-2007/farfour-2007-2007 a story on]] ''Series/TomorrowsPioneers'', a Palestine kid's show with some less-than-Israel friendly content, the show fired back with a fake Israeli equivalent called [[StylisticSuck "Dr. Bagelman's Hour of Hate"]]. The show quickly devolved into the hosts quarrelling. Stewart quipped, "I shouldn't laugh, but that's actually just an audio recording from my Bar Mitzvah."

** The show once sent correspondent Wyatt Cenac to a Jewish rest home in Florida to talk about the 2008 election. Eventually, the group interviews degenerated into such a morass of argument (over the issue of what to order for dessert) that [[http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/mon-july-21-2008/baruch-obama Cenac was left sitting on the sidelines]], [[StunnedSilence genuinely stunned.]]
** When Ron Paul was excluded from the Republican Jewish debate over his "misguided and extreme views," Stewart mocked the validity of the debate since it was obvious they only wanted people with the exact same opinions, by saying "because if there's one thing Jews hate, it's arguing."