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** I took him going down the stairs as him being like "Screw you buys, I'm goin' home!"


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** I took him going down the stairs as him being like "Screw you buys, guys, I'm goin' home!"




** The same reason the LSPD think they have a chance at taking down an explosive-shell-shooting, land-mine-dropping heavily-armored tank with a handgun; ArtificialStupidity mixed with TooDumbToLive.

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** The same reason the LSPD think they have a chance at taking down an explosive-shell-shooting, land-mine-dropping explosive shell-shooting, land mine-dropping heavily-armored tank with a handgun; ArtificialStupidity mixed with TooDumbToLive.
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** The same reason the LSPD think they have a chance at taking down an explosive-shell-shooting, land-mine-dropping heavily-armored tank with a handgun; ArtificalStupidity mixed with TooDumdToLive.

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** The same reason the LSPD think they have a chance at taking down an explosive-shell-shooting, land-mine-dropping heavily-armored tank with a handgun; ArtificalStupidity ArtificialStupidity mixed with TooDumdToLive.
TooDumbToLive.
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\n** I took him going down the stairs as him being like "Screw you buys, I'm goin' home!"





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** The same reason the LSPD think they have a chance at taking down an explosive-shell-shooting, land-mine-dropping heavily-armored tank with a handgun; ArtificalStupidity mixed with TooDumdToLive.
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* What does Franklin mean when he says "Oh man, no wonder this whole town's in therapy" in the first Paparazzo mission? Is he referring to Vinewood or the whole of Los Santos?

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* What does Franklin mean when he says "Oh man, no wonder this whole town's in therapy" in the first Paparazzo mission? Is he referring to Vinewood or the whole of Los Santos?Santos?

*What is D referring to in his last words in "The Long Stretch" when he mentions a gang member "Being put on TV talking about some gang intervention shit?"
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** Lester describes Weston as a "Pseudo-Liberal" and regards him with some degree of disdain. He had seen some of the man's behavioral patterns and did not regard him as anyone more than a RichIdiotWithNoDayJob.


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** Lester describes Weston as a "Pseudo-Liberal" and regards him with some degree of disdain. He had seen some of the man's behavioral patterns and did not regard him as anyone more than a RichIdiotWithNoDayJob.

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** It's mentioned early on in the story that Micheal's money is starting to run out; his impressive mansion is mortaged, for example. It's all but stated that he is actually running out of his old heist money by the beginning of the game, which is why he simply doesn't pay Martin off and ends up contacting Lester. As for WHY it lasted so long, he could've hired a financial advisor of some kind and made smart investments, or [[BoringButPractical simply just put a majority of it into savings and let it accumulate interest over the years of descent into middle age.]]

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** It's mentioned early on in the story that Micheal's money is starting to run out; his impressive mansion is mortaged, for example. It's all but stated that he is actually running out of his old heist money by the beginning of the game, which is why he simply doesn't pay Martin off and ends up contacting Lester. As for WHY it lasted so long, he could've hired a financial advisor of some kind and made smart investments, or [[BoringButPractical simply just put a majority of it into savings and let it accumulate interest over the years of descent into middle age.]]]]

* What does Franklin mean when he says "Oh man, no wonder this whole town's in therapy" in the first Paparazzo mission? Is he referring to Vinewood or the whole of Los Santos?
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As "unstable" as Trevor is, Michael is the one who has been creating far more problems for Franklin than Trevor - Michael was the one who got him fired, brought down Madrazzo's house and angered the Mexican mafia, and got Franklin tangled up with two federal agencies.


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As "unstable" as Trevor is, Michael is the one who has been creating far more problems for Franklin than Trevor - Michael was the one who got him fired, brought down Madrazzo's Madrazo's house and angered the Mexican mafia, and got Franklin tangled up with two federal agencies.




* Why doesn't Trevor just kill Martin Madrazzo? I mean, it makes sense that Michael -- with his family and his status as a man in hiding -- would be too scared to go up against a big-time crime boss, but at this point in the game Trevor has already killed a lot of guys who were much tougher than Madrazo is, and with much less reason for doing so.
** Trevor spared Martin because [[MoralityPet Patricia Madrazzo]] didn't want him to, if in a HonorBeforeReason sort of way.


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* Why doesn't Trevor just kill Martin Madrazzo? Madrazo? I mean, it makes sense that Michael -- with his family and his status as a man in hiding -- would be too scared to go up against a big-time crime boss, but at this point in the game Trevor has already killed a lot of guys who were much tougher than Madrazo is, and with much less reason for doing so.
** Trevor spared Martin because [[MoralityPet Patricia Madrazzo]] Madrazo]] didn't want him to, if in a HonorBeforeReason sort of way.

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* Lester says in "Casing the Jewel Store" that Micheal transfers five figure sums to Dave Norton each month. Where does that money come from? And, on the same vein, who pays the bills in a household where no one has a stable income? Surely Mike's old heist money can't have lasted that long.

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* Lester says in "Casing the Jewel Store" that Micheal transfers five figure sums to Dave Norton each month. Where does that money come from? And, on the same vein, who pays the bills in a household where no one has a stable income? Surely Mike's old heist money can't have lasted that long.long.
** It's mentioned early on in the story that Micheal's money is starting to run out; his impressive mansion is mortaged, for example. It's all but stated that he is actually running out of his old heist money by the beginning of the game, which is why he simply doesn't pay Martin off and ends up contacting Lester. As for WHY it lasted so long, he could've hired a financial advisor of some kind and made smart investments, or [[BoringButPractical simply just put a majority of it into savings and let it accumulate interest over the years of descent into middle age.]]
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** Cost doesn't only refer to money - Lester isn't saying the bank alarms would cost 6 mil to hack, he's saying that he doesn't believe the effort of hacking the alarm system is worth what they'll get in the heist. Also, Lester wasn't aware yet the bank wasn't used to store several million by the {{Corrupt Hick}}s running the town, and probably underestimated how much the Heist would have paid.


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** Cost doesn't only refer to money - Lester isn't saying the bank alarms would cost 6 mil to hack, he's saying that he doesn't believe the effort of hacking the alarm system is worth what they'll get in the heist. Also, Lester wasn't aware yet the bank wasn't used to store several million by the {{Corrupt Hick}}s {{Small Town Tyrant}}s running the town, and probably underestimated how much the Heist would have paid.




** The characters' dialogue suggest that the cops paid the local military off. Evidently the {{Corrupt Hick}}s only cared about that Heist in particular because it involved their money.


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** The characters' dialogue suggest that the cops paid the local military off. Evidently the {{Corrupt Hick}}s {{Small Town Tyrant}}s only cared about that Heist in particular because it involved their money.

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** So? What would he care? He's Devin Weston. He probably has enough money to buy and sell the distributors three times over.
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** There are eleven named brothers, and the Duggar family has eight more children than that, so it's not impossible. The "O'Neil Brothers" name could also be used to refer to the gang as a whole rather than just the brothers themselves, as is the case with many crime families.

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** There are eleven named brothers, and the Duggar family has eight more children than that, so it's not impossible. The "O'Neil Brothers" name could also be used to refer to the gang as a whole rather than just the brothers themselves, as is the case with many crime families.families.

*Lester says in "Casing the Jewel Store" that Micheal transfers five figure sums to Dave Norton each month. Where does that money come from? And, on the same vein, who pays the bills in a household where no one has a stable income? Surely Mike's old heist money can't have lasted that long.
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\n** Dave Norton elaborates on this in "Lamar Down". Trevor won't let Micheal near and vice versa, but neither of them are particularly motivated to try to kill the other despite the risk. Franklin is easier to manipulate and can catch them off guard.
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\n** Since the last we see of Mr. K is him stumbling into the LS Transit, it would depend on if anyone down there reacts to help him or not. If (though since this is Los Santos, it could be a big if) someone calls 911 for him, and an ambulance reaches him in time, that would likely save his life. US Emergency Rooms ''must'' stabilize anyone who comes in their doors at risk of dying, regardless of financial situations. If Mr. K makes it to an emergency room alive, everything is going into saving his life. It's ''after'' that that he'll have a hell of a time dealing with the legality of everything (assuming the FIB wrote up a death certificate, which they probably wouldn't bother), and he'd most certainly be in massive debt, but he'd be alive.

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* How are there still O'Neil brothers? Seriously, they're still active as of The Contract, years after GTA V's story mode and the Heists arc of Online. The protagonists had to have killed dozens of them by now, yet somehow, there's still some alive. Exactly how many sons did their mother have?z

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* How are there still O'Neil brothers? Seriously, they're still active as of The Contract, years after GTA V's story mode and the Heists arc of Online. The protagonists had to have killed dozens of them by now, yet somehow, there's still some alive. Exactly how many sons did their mother have?zhave?

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* How are there still O'Neil brothers? Seriously, they're still active as of The Contract, years after GTA V's story mode and the Heists arc of Online. The protagonists had to have killed dozens of them by now, yet somehow, there's still some alive. Exactly how many sons did their mother have?

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* How are there still O'Neil brothers? Seriously, they're still active as of The Contract, years after GTA V's story mode and the Heists arc of Online. The protagonists had to have killed dozens of them by now, yet somehow, there's still some alive. Exactly how many sons did their mother have?have?z
** There are eleven named brothers, and the Duggar family has eight more children than that, so it's not impossible. The "O'Neil Brothers" name could also be used to refer to the gang as a whole rather than just the brothers themselves, as is the case with many crime families.
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** Probably a little of both -- This is Los Santos and this big, pissed-off, scary looking guy tells you to get out of your car: you'd do what he says 'cause who knows what he'd do to you if you refuse. "Especially" if he’s also bruised and covered in blood.


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** Probably a little of both -- This is Los Santos and this big, pissed-off, scary looking guy tells you to get out of your car: you'd do what he says 'cause who knows what he'd do to you if you refuse. "Especially" ''Especially'' if he’s also bruised and covered in blood.

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** Probably a little of both -- This is Los Santos and this big scary looking guy tells you to get out of your car: you'd do what he says 'cause who knows what he'd do to you if you refuse.


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** Probably a little of both -- This is Los Santos and this big big, pissed-off, scary looking guy tells you to get out of your car: you'd do what he says 'cause who knows what he'd do to you if you refuse.

refuse. "Especially" if he’s also bruised and covered in blood.

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\n** Probably a little of both -- This is Los Santos and this big scary looking guy tells you to get out of your car: you'd do what he says 'cause who knows what he'd do to you if you refuse.

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** Trevor takes cover as soon as Brad collapses, and he's not someone most people would stand a chance against in an open firefight. He has to wait for heavy reinforcements to have any hope of taking Trevor down, and when they show up, Michael gets cold feet and blows the whole plan by telling Trevor to run.

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** Trevor takes cover as soon as Brad collapses, and he's not someone most people would stand a chance against in an open firefight. He Dave has to wait for heavy reinforcements to have any hope of taking Trevor down, and when they show up, Michael gets cold feet and blows the whole plan by telling Trevor to run.
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** In theory, that's true, but Devin can pay them more than Solomon can. Regardless of who owns the lot on paper, Devin's the one in charge, and everybody knows it except Michael (which is why Solomon tried to trick Devin rather than confront him directly).




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** Devin mentions in the set-up to the final mission that he can end Steve and Dave's careers with one phone call. Even if you assume he was exaggerating, Don Percival is even bigger up on the food chain than he is. For someone like that, it's trivially easy to know what the news doesn't, like who put Devin on ice. And Dave mentions in his phone call that he's had some "lucky breaks;" it's not hard to assume that Percival did him and the rest of the gang a solid (as thanks for getting Devin out of the picture) by telling the FIB to back off of everybody.




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** Trevor takes cover as soon as Brad collapses, and he's not someone most people would stand a chance against in an open firefight. He has to wait for heavy reinforcements to have any hope of taking Trevor down, and when they show up, Michael gets cold feet and blows the whole plan by telling Trevor to run.
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* How are there still O'Neil brothers? Seriously, they're still active as of The Contract, years after GTA V's story mode and the early days of Online, and they've appeared in several missions, where the protagonists have killed dozens of them, yet somehow, there's still some alive. Exactly how many sons did their mother have?

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* How are there still O'Neil brothers? Seriously, they're still active as of The Contract, years after GTA V's story mode and the early days Heists arc of Online, and they've appeared in several missions, where the Online. The protagonists had to have killed dozens of them, them by now, yet somehow, there's still some alive. Exactly how many sons did their mother have?
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* If Dave's plan was for Trevor and Michael to 'die', then why doesn't he take the opportunity and shoot Trevor after Brad and Michael are already down?

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* If Dave's plan was for Trevor and Michael to 'die', then why doesn't he take the opportunity and shoot Trevor after Brad and Michael are already down?down?

* How are there still O'Neil brothers? Seriously, they're still active as of The Contract, years after GTA V's story mode and the early days of Online, and they've appeared in several missions, where the protagonists have killed dozens of them, yet somehow, there's still some alive. Exactly how many sons did their mother have?
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* How was Don Percival able to contact Michael and Trevor at the end to thank them for killing Devin if he never actually met them? Weazel News reports that Devin is not officially pronounced dead and Percival has no way to know that two guys he has never met killed his most hated business partner? By the way, why didn't he thank Franklin too, if Franklin also worked with Trevor and Michael in taking down Devin?

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* How was Don Percival able to contact Michael and Trevor at the end to thank them for killing Devin if he never actually met them? Weazel News reports that Devin is not officially pronounced dead and Percival has no way to know that two guys he has never met killed his most hated business partner? By the way, why didn't he thank Franklin too, if Franklin also worked with Trevor and Michael in taking down Devin?Devin?

* If Dave's plan was for Trevor and Michael to 'die', then why doesn't he take the opportunity and shoot Trevor after Brad and Michael are already down?
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** I would go with they are dumb-ass, military-wannabe fascists.

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** I would go with they are dumb-ass, military-wannabe fascists.fascists.

* In "Legal Trouble", Devin and Molly try to prevent the release of ''Meltdown'' by taking the film reel away. Michael chases Molly to the airport and succeeds in retrieving the reel after Molly gets sucked into a jet engine, though it wasn't necessary as there were digital backups. However, if Devin and Molly had actually succeeded in their plans and Solomon didn't have any backups, wouldn’t that have caused a problem with the film's distributors? Imagine if they had already spent money for marketing campaigns, only to be told that the film could not be released now. They would have been furious at Devin!

* If Solomon wanted to keep the ''Meltdown'' film reel, why didn't he simply tell Richards Majestic Productions security to not let Molly get out of the studio with the reel or to escort Devin and Molly out? Regardless of how rich Devin is, Richards Majestic Productions is still Solomon's property, so he has every right to send them away if he wants...

* How was Don Percival able to contact Michael and Trevor at the end to thank them for killing Devin if he never actually met them? Weazel News reports that Devin is not officially pronounced dead and Percival has no way to know that two guys he has never met killed his most hated business partner? By the way, why didn't he thank Franklin too, if Franklin also worked with Trevor and Michael in taking down Devin?

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\n** This is true in real life as well. There is an entire Netflix documentary about how hard it is for small weed farmers to make a living in California. They are fighting against corporations, and the licensing and permits required to grow more than a small amount for personal use are expensive and complex. This was done by design to not reward people for having a preexisting criminal enterprise. So people who have been growing for decades are edged out by larger companies, and they in turn attack fellow growers to control what small piece of the market is left. Now, I don't think this later issue would be a problem for Trevor, but the margins are much lower on legal weed than illegal meth.







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\n\n** Meth is a hell of a drug.





** He called the DMV for a replacement, simple as that. That, or he just drives without a license considering that's child's play compared to half the stuff he does.


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** He called the DMV for a replacement, simple as that. That, or he just drives without The mission specifies someone needs a NEW license considering that's child's play compared to half which has the stuff he does.

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* Why does NOOSE even bother to rappel from Police Mavericks at 4 and 5-star wanted levels? Both the NOOSE rappelling from the helicopter and the helicopter itself are just sitting ducks if the player has a rocket launcher in their weapons' cache, and even without a rocket launcher, the rappelers can be hit with one shot from any small arm and fall to their deaths.

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* Why does NOOSE even bother to rappel from Police Mavericks at 4 and 5-star wanted levels? Both the NOOSE rappelling from the helicopter and the helicopter itself are just sitting ducks if the player has a rocket launcher in their weapons' cache, and even without a rocket launcher, the rappelers can be hit with one shot from any small arm and fall to their deaths.deaths.
** I would go with they are dumb-ass, military-wannabe fascists.
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** Because it was cheaper to take a little cash and steal Michael's car. Buying a car is complicated, and he was gypped the last time he tried, and no doubt Jimmy knew the family was rather broke at that point.


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** Because it was cheaper to take a little cash and steal Michael's car. Buying a car is complicated, and he was gypped cheated the last time he tried, and no doubt Jimmy knew the family was rather broke at that point.






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\n** You absolutely can. It's called probate. When someone dies, there is a complicated legal procedure to determine who gets the assets of the deceased. Usually when there are assets enough to require probate being opened, there is a will. Creditors can make claims against the assets as well. It's all decided by a judge. So, were Simeon to want to legally take possession of the bike, he would need lawyers and have to get the courts involved. This would bring up questions of why the deceased purchased the bike at such predatory levels, and may put too many eyes on Simeon's operation, which is a scam (if a legal one in 2013). It might also open a serious investigation as to HOW the guy died, which is not desirable to Frank. Ergo, it is easier to think of it as "you can't repossess the assets of a dead man."
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** A few reasons:
\\Michael, as proven in the prologue, doesn't want to cause unnecessary casualties if he can avoid it, and knocking the cop out might potentially kill him. Better to just turn him around and tell him to pretend he never saw any of this.
\\While casing the jewelry store, Michael flat-out says to Lester that he's sure Trevor is dead. He didn't think he'd have any reason to not say that phrase. He was wrong, of course, but hindsight is 20/20.
\\Michael is still a bit of TheNarcissist when he's in full bank-robber mode, and just couldn't pass up pulling that thematic line as a way of leaving his mark.



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** A few reasons:
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as proven in the prologue, doesn't want to cause unnecessary casualties if he can avoid it, and knocking the cop out might potentially kill him. Better to just turn him around and tell him to pretend he never saw any of this. \n\\While \\
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casing the jewelry store, Michael flat-out says to Lester that he's sure Trevor is dead. He didn't think he'd have any reason to not say that phrase. He was wrong, of course, but hindsight is 20/20.
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** It's really more a WhatIf scenario. GFranklin's FatalFlaw is that he's rather short sighted, goes along with whatever crazy plan people come up with without much protest, and always looks for a fast exit when things go south. Options A & B are a reflection of this: technically, option A is highly unlikely too. Trevor has done nothing wrong to Franklin. Devin Weston is rich, powerful, employing ruthless mercenaries, and has deep connections to the FIB. Franklin might have felt like he didn't have much of a choice in the matter considering who he would be dealing with. His pragmatic nature might have been a deciding factor as well.

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** It's really more a WhatIf scenario. GFranklin's Franklin's FatalFlaw is that he's rather short sighted, goes along with whatever crazy plan people come up with without much protest, and always looks for a fast exit when things go south. Options A & B are a reflection of this: technically, option A is highly unlikely too. Trevor has done nothing wrong to Franklin. Devin Weston is rich, powerful, employing ruthless mercenaries, and has deep connections to the FIB. Franklin might have felt like he didn't have much of a choice in the matter considering who he would be dealing with. His pragmatic nature might have been a deciding factor as well.

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** It's really more a WhatIf scenario. Granted, a scenario that's highly unlikely, but technically, option A is highly unlikely too. Trevor has done nothing wrong to Franklin. Devin Weston is rich, powerful, employing ruthless mercenaries, and has deep connections to the FIB. Franklin might have felt like he didn't have much of a choice in the matter considering who he would be dealing with. His pragmatic nature might have been a deciding factor as well.
** Franklin's FatalFlaw is that he's rather short sighted, goes along with whatever crazy plan people come up with without much protest, and always looks for a fast exit when things go south. Options A & B are a reflection of this.

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** It's really more a WhatIf scenario. Granted, GFranklin's FatalFlaw is that he's rather short sighted, goes along with whatever crazy plan people come up with without much protest, and always looks for a scenario that's highly unlikely, but fast exit when things go south. Options A & B are a reflection of this: technically, option A is highly unlikely too. Trevor has done nothing wrong to Franklin. Devin Weston is rich, powerful, employing ruthless mercenaries, and has deep connections to the FIB. Franklin might have felt like he didn't have much of a choice in the matter considering who he would be dealing with. His pragmatic nature might have been a deciding factor as well.
** Franklin's FatalFlaw is that he's rather short sighted, goes along with whatever crazy plan people come up with without much protest, and always looks for a fast exit when things go south. Options A & B are a reflection of this.
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\n** Where is it confirmed that North Yankton is in Canada? Everything we see in the game indicates that it's the in-universe equivalent of North Dakota, which is a ''state'' in the [[MinnesotaNice Upper Midwest]] across the border from Canada. Look at the names; Yankton, like Dakota, is the name of a Sioux tribe, and the North Yankton town of Ludendorff shares its name with a German politcian, just like North Dakota's capital, Bismarck. Ludendorff's Lifeinvader page describes it as "Home of the Midwest's Biggest Beaver."

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