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The ''Knights of the Old Republic'' comic stars Padawan Zayne Carrick -- a notorious screw-up who the Jedi Council wrote off as only having a "marginal connection to the force." Nonetheless, he joined a group of four other Padawans being trained by a group of five Masters on Taris. When the day of the Knighting ceremony comes, Zayne -- already late and doubting he'll be knighted -- decides to stop on the way so he can finally capture his [[SitComArchnemesis criminal rival]], the Snivvian {{conman}} Marn "Gryph" Hierogryph.

However, when he finally arrives, he is greeted by a ghastly sight - his fellow students slain by the Masters, who quickly turn their sabers on him. He escapes, barely, with Gryph's help, only to find that the Masters have framed the duo for the murders, claiming that Zayne has become a Sith. Hoping to escape the planet and find evidence to clear their names, Zayne and Gryph join forces with a {{craz|y homeless people}}ed but [[GeniusDitz brilliant]] [[ServantRace Arkanian Off-Shoot]] named Camper and his [[BodyguardBabes beautiful bodyguard]] Jarael, travelling across the galaxy to unravel the mystery behind the Padawan massacre.

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The ''Knights of the Old Republic'' comic stars Padawan Zayne Carrick -- Carrick, a notorious screw-up who the Jedi Council wrote off as only having a "marginal connection to the force." Nonetheless, he joined a group of four other Padawans being trained by a group of five Masters on Taris. When the day of the Knighting ceremony comes, Zayne -- already late and doubting he'll be knighted -- decides to stop on the way so he can finally capture his [[SitComArchnemesis criminal rival]], the Snivvian {{conman}} Marn "Gryph" Hierogryph.

However, when he finally arrives, he is greeted by a ghastly sight - -- his fellow students slain by the Masters, who quickly turn their sabers on him. He escapes, barely, with Gryph's help, only to find that the Masters have framed the duo for the murders, claiming that Zayne has become a Sith. Hoping to escape the planet and find evidence to clear their names, Zayne and Gryph join forces with a {{craz|y homeless people}}ed but [[GeniusDitz brilliant]] [[ServantRace Arkanian Off-Shoot]] named Camper and his [[BodyguardBabes beautiful bodyguard]] Jarael, travelling across the galaxy to unravel the mystery behind the Padawan massacre.
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However, when he finally arrives, he is greeted by a ghastly sight - his fellow students slain by the Masters, who quickly turn their sabers on him. He escapes -- barely -- with the help of Gryph, only to find that the Masters have framed the duo for the murders, claiming that Zayne has become a Sith. Hoping to escape the planet and find evidence to clear their names, Zayne and Gryph join forces with a {{craz|y homeless people}}ed but [[GeniusDitz brilliant]] [[ServantRace Arkanian Off-Shoot]] named Camper and his [[BodyguardBabes beautiful bodyguard]] Jarael, travelling across the galaxy to unravel the mystery behind the Padawan massacre.

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However, when he finally arrives, he is greeted by a ghastly sight - his fellow students slain by the Masters, who quickly turn their sabers on him. He escapes -- barely -- escapes, barely, with the help of Gryph, Gryph's help, only to find that the Masters have framed the duo for the murders, claiming that Zayne has become a Sith. Hoping to escape the planet and find evidence to clear their names, Zayne and Gryph join forces with a {{craz|y homeless people}}ed but [[GeniusDitz brilliant]] [[ServantRace Arkanian Off-Shoot]] named Camper and his [[BodyguardBabes beautiful bodyguard]] Jarael, travelling across the galaxy to unravel the mystery behind the Padawan massacre.
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However, when he finally arrives, he is greeted by a ghastly sight - his fellow students slain by the Masters, who quickly turn their sabers on him. He escapes -- barely -- with the help of Gryph, only to find that the Masters have framed the duo for the murders, claiming that Zayne has become a Sith. Hoping to escape the planet and find evidence to clear their names, Zayne and Gryph join forces with a {{craz|y homeless people}}ed but [[GeniusDitz brilliant]] [[ServantRace Arkanian Off-Shoot]] named Camper and his [[BodyguardBabe beautiful bodyguard]] Jarael, travelling across the galaxy to unravel the mystery behind the Padawan massacre.

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However, when he finally arrives, he is greeted by a ghastly sight - his fellow students slain by the Masters, who quickly turn their sabers on him. He escapes -- barely -- with the help of Gryph, only to find that the Masters have framed the duo for the murders, claiming that Zayne has become a Sith. Hoping to escape the planet and find evidence to clear their names, Zayne and Gryph join forces with a {{craz|y homeless people}}ed but [[GeniusDitz brilliant]] [[ServantRace Arkanian Off-Shoot]] named Camper and his [[BodyguardBabe [[BodyguardBabes beautiful bodyguard]] Jarael, travelling across the galaxy to unravel the mystery behind the Padawan massacre.
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However, when he finally arrives, he is greeted by a ghastly sight - his fellow students slain by the Masters, who quickly turn their sabers on him. He escapes -- barely -- with the help of Gryph, only to find that the Masters have framed the duo for the murders, claiming that Zayne has become a Sith. Hoping to escape the planet and find evidence to clear his name, Zayne and Gryph join forces with a {{craz|y homeless people}}ed but [[GeniusDitz brilliant]] [[ServantRace Arkanian Off-Shoot]] named Camper and his beautiful bodyguard, Jarael, blasting off to unravel the mystery behind the Padawan massacre.

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However, when he finally arrives, he is greeted by a ghastly sight - his fellow students slain by the Masters, who quickly turn their sabers on him. He escapes -- barely -- with the help of Gryph, only to find that the Masters have framed the duo for the murders, claiming that Zayne has become a Sith. Hoping to escape the planet and find evidence to clear his name, their names, Zayne and Gryph join forces with a {{craz|y homeless people}}ed but [[GeniusDitz brilliant]] [[ServantRace Arkanian Off-Shoot]] named Camper and his [[BodyguardBabe beautiful bodyguard, bodyguard]] Jarael, blasting off travelling across the galaxy to unravel the mystery behind the Padawan massacre.

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The ''Knights of the Old Republic'' comic stars failed Padawan Zayne Carrick who is falsely accused of murdering his fellow Jedi students due to the efforts of his masters. Joining with Snivvian conman Marn "Gryph" Hierogryph and the beautiful Arkanian off-shoot Jarael, Zayne attempts to clear his name and unravel the truth of his friends' death.

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The ''Knights of the Old Republic'' comic stars failed Padawan Zayne Carrick -- a notorious screw-up who is falsely accused of murdering his fellow the Jedi students due Council wrote off as only having a "marginal connection to the efforts force." Nonetheless, he joined a group of four other Padawans being trained by a group of five Masters on Taris. When the day of the Knighting ceremony comes, Zayne -- already late and doubting he'll be knighted -- decides to stop on the way so he can finally capture his masters. Joining with [[SitComArchnemesis criminal rival]], the Snivvian conman {{conman}} Marn "Gryph" Hierogryph and Hierogryph.

However, when he finally arrives, he is greeted by a ghastly sight - his fellow students slain by
the beautiful Arkanian off-shoot Jarael, Masters, who quickly turn their sabers on him. He escapes -- barely -- with the help of Gryph, only to find that the Masters have framed the duo for the murders, claiming that Zayne attempts has become a Sith. Hoping to escape the planet and find evidence to clear his name name, Zayne and Gryph join forces with a {{craz|y homeless people}}ed but [[GeniusDitz brilliant]] [[ServantRace Arkanian Off-Shoot]] named Camper and his beautiful bodyguard, Jarael, blasting off to unravel the truth of his friends' death.
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[[caption-width-right:349:''Hated by the Republic, hunted by the Jedi -- a Padawan on the run.'']]

->''"The Force wants me alive -- it doesn't want me ''happy'', but it wants me alive."''
-->--'''Zayne Carrick'''

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* BrainsEvilBrawnGood: Inverted. Xamar explicitly states that Zayne never wins by brute force, but by misdirection. Many of his opponents, such as Lucien Draay and especially Feln are far more physically imposing.

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* BrainsEvilBrawnGood: Inverted. Xamar explicitly states that Given he isn't a prodigy with a lightsaber or The Force, Zayne never wins practically ''has'' to win by brute force, but by misdirection. cunning. Many of his opponents, such as Lucien Draay and especially Feln are far more physically imposing. imposing and skilled in combat.
--> '''Xamar:''' Zayne never wins by brute force, Admiral- but by [[SnakeTalk misssdirection]]. He will find a way!
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* CrowningMomentOfAwesome: After escaping the Jedi Covenant on Taris, Zayne sends a message to his former masters:
-->'''Zayne: '''One day, one of you is going to confess and clear my name. And to make sure I'm going to hunt down each and every one of you. '''The one that confesses, lives.'''
** During the final battle with the Jedi Covenant[[spoiler: Gryph reveals that the message was ''his'' idea to scare away pursuit and buy time for he and Zayne to clear their names. Zayne is far too much of a NiceGuy and pacifist to send death threats.]]
-->[[spoiler: '''Gryph:''' Anybody who really knew Zayne would ''never'' have bought that. If you did after all those years- I guess you never really knew him at all.]]
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* CrowningMomentOfAwesome: After escaping the Jedi Covenant on Taris, Zayne sends a message to his former masters:
-->'''Zayne: '''One day, one of you is going to confess and clear my name. And to make sure I'm going to hunt down each and every one of you. '''The one that confesses, lives.'''
** During the final battle with the Jedi Covenant[[spoiler: Gryph reveals that the message was ''his'' idea to scare away pursuit and buy time for he and Zayne to clear their names. Zayne is far too much of a NiceGuy and pacifist to send death threats.]]
-->[[spoiler: '''Gryph:''' Anybody who really knew Zayne would ''never'' have bought that. If you did after all those years- I guess you never really knew him at all.]]
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* BrainsEvilBrawnGood: Inverted. Xamar explicitly states that Zayne never wins by brute force, but by misdirection. Many of his opponents, such as Lucien Draay and especially Feln are far more physically imposing.
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** [[Comicbook/TalesOfTheJedi Exar Kun's lightsaber.]]


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* WhereItAllBegan: Zayne settles matters with Raana Tey in the Jedi tower on Taris when he returns there.
** [[spoiler: Jarael, Demagol and Chantique have their reckoning at Demagol's "school" on Osadia, where Jarael and Chantique were raised.]]
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* ArtifactTitle: Technically, none of the protagonists are titular Jedi Knights. The title was inherited from the ''[[VideoGame/KnightsOfTheOldRepublic video game]]'', which in turn got it from earlier ''Tales of the Jedi'' comics.

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* ArtifactTitle: Technically, none of the protagonists are titular Jedi Knights. The title was inherited from the ''[[VideoGame/KnightsOfTheOldRepublic [[VideoGame/KnightsOfTheOldRepublic video game]]'', game]], which in turn got it from earlier ''Tales of the Jedi'' comics.
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* ArtifactTitle: Technically, none of the protagonists are titular Jedi Knights. The title was inherited from the ''[[VideoGame/KnightsOfTheOldRepublic video game]]'', which in turn got it from earlier ''Tales of the Jedi'' comics.

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* BaitAndSwitch: See {{Jossed}} below. [[spoiler:The writers seem to have ''intentionally'' made readers think that characters were really characters from ''KnightsOfTheOldRepublic'' (the games) and subverted a fictional case of YoungFutureFamousPeople. Krynda Draay sounds like Kreia, has precognitive/clairvoyant powers, and is half-Miraluka like Kreia is implied to be in KOTOR II; Haazen looks like Darth Sion; Lucien Draay is even offered the title of Darth Sion, fits the definition of a "scion," and was originally named "Lusion"; and Zayne just seems important enough to be someone big later on like Nihilus, which would also be an ironic contrast to his personality. None of these people ended up having any direct consequence to the plot of the games. Alek does end up starting down the road to becoming Darth Malak though.]]

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* BaitAndSwitch: See {{Jossed}} below. [[spoiler:The writers seem to have ''intentionally'' made readers think that characters were really characters from ''KnightsOfTheOldRepublic'' (the games) and subverted a fictional case of YoungFutureFamousPeople. Krynda Draay sounds like Kreia, has precognitive/clairvoyant powers, and is half-Miraluka like Kreia is implied to be in KOTOR II; Haazen looks like Darth Sion; Lucien Draay is even offered the title of Darth Sion, fits the definition of a "scion," and was originally named "Lusion"; and Zayne just seems important enough to be someone big later on like Nihilus, which would also be an ironic contrast to his personality."Lusion". None of these people ended up having any direct consequence to the plot of the games. Alek does end up starting down the road to becoming Darth Malak though.]]



** One of the subplots is Malak's StartOfDarkness. His rough treatment of Rohlan, whom he believes to be Demagol, makes the Mandalorian exclaim: "That's the way you like it, Jedi -- don't you? So save your Republic -- but who'll save the Republic from you?" Saving the Republic from Malak is your mission in [[KnightsOfTheOldRepublic the eponymous game]].

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** One of the subplots is Malak's StartOfDarkness. His rough treatment of [[spoiler: Rohlan, whom he believes to be Demagol, Demagol]], makes the Mandalorian exclaim: "That's the way you like it, Jedi -- don't you? So save your Republic -- but who'll save the Republic from you?" Saving the Republic from Malak is your mission in [[KnightsOfTheOldRepublic the eponymous game]].



* IronicEcho: After saving Zayne from the covenant at the end of the first arc, Jarael says she can't let Zayne go around thinking sacrificing himself for her is sensible behavior. Chantique says the exact same thing to Jarael, about the exact same subject, during they're fight to try and convince her that Zayne no longer cares about her.

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* InstantDramaJustAddTracheotomy: Slyssk needs to have one after being force chocked. It's mentioned that since he's a Trandoshan, his natural toughness and [[HealingFactor regenerative abilities]] will keep him alive when it would most likely still be fatal for other species.
* IronicEcho: After saving Zayne from the covenant at the end of the first arc, Jarael says she can't let Zayne go around thinking sacrificing himself for her is sensible behavior. Chantique says the exact same thing to Jarael, about the exact same subject, during they're their fight to try and convince her that Zayne no longer cares about her.



**Also applies to Xamar, although unlike Raana he doesn't die immediately after his redemption.



** [[spoiler: Demagol get's one two, learning that his life's work was a failure and that the force talent he thought he instilled in his students was just his latent powers all along. Except for his daughter, who has actual talent, but who he sold into slavery, thinking she was a failure. Then he ends up dying by the very blade he'd stolen to give to Jarael.]]

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** [[spoiler: Demagol get's one two, too, learning that his life's work was a failure and that the force talent he thought he instilled in his students was just his latent powers all along. Except for his daughter, who has actual talent, but who he sold into slavery, thinking she was a failure. Then he ends up dying by the very blade he'd stolen to give to Jarael.]]

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* EngineeredHeroics: When Slyssk breaks their arrangement and starts demanding to be paid for a ship instead of for stealing a ship, Zayne and Gryph arrange for Gryph to rescue Slyssk from a pillar that Zayne topples and then offer to call it even if he'll just honor the original agreement. It fails because Slyssk is so delighted that someone thought him worth rescuing that he's happy to owe them a life debt and spend the rest of his life following them around the galaxy.



* FakeOutMakeOut: Zayne gets [[RuleOfThree three]]: Jarael kisses him in order to whisper a warning about Adasca in his ear, Shel kisses him to play off their argument as a lover's spat to a suspicious Mandalorian patrol, and he kisses Jarael to convince Alek they're together so he won't question why she'd rather stay with him than join the Revanchist cause.



* SleazyPolitician: Subverted by Taris Senator Goravvus, who got his seat by buying out politicians for corporations in return for them supporting his bid for office, but then once in office started to care more for the people than the payouts. He even threatens to go public with the bribes if they pull their support from Taris. [[Spoiler: They try to have him killed to keep him quiet.]]

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* SleazyPolitician: Subverted by Taris Senator Goravvus, who got his seat by buying out politicians for corporations in return for them supporting his bid for office, but then once in office started to care more for the people than the payouts. He even threatens to go public with the bribes if they pull their support from Taris. [[Spoiler: [[spoiler: They try to have him killed to keep him quiet.]]



** Del Moomo actually fills this role once when his stupidity and singlemindedness distract Raana and Shel long enough for Gryph to disarm the latter, saving Zayne's life in the process Shel also unintentionally derails Jervo's plan with her first attempt to kill Zayne.

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** Del Moomo actually fills this role once when his stupidity and singlemindedness distract Raana and Shel long enough for Gryph to disarm the latter, saving Zayne's life in the process process. Shel also unintentionally derails Jervo's plan [[spoiler: to kill Senator Goravvus]] with her first attempt to kill Zayne.


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* HarsherInHindsight: Carth's line about hoping someone would do the same for his family after revealing he'd called in storm warnings to Serroco on the off chance Zayne was telling the truth about the planet going to be bombed? A lot more bittersweet if you've played the video game and know [[spoiler: his wife dies when the Sith bombard Telos.]]



* {{Jossed}}: Theories that have been Jossed by the creator and Lucasfilm include Lucien Draay is Darth Sion and/or Darth Nihilus, Zayne Carrick is the Jedi Exile, and Krynda Draay is Kreia. [[spoiler:Lucien Draay rejecting becoming Darth Sion is actually a plot point.]]



* WordOfGod: John Jackson Miller's blog contains a lot of explanations that confirm or have {{Jossed}} fan speculation.

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* ActionGirl: Jarael.
** Well, [[FauxActionGirl some of the time]].
* AffablyEvil: Arkoh Adasca is extremely charming and polite while telling Jarael how her race is an abomination and while trying to sell dangerous superweapons to the Republic and the Mandalorians.

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Jarael. [[FauxActionGirl some Some of the time]].
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Arkoh Adasca is extremely charming and polite while telling Jarael how her race is an abomination and while trying to sell dangerous superweapons to the Republic and the Mandalorians.



* BrotherSisterIncest: Not quite right because NotBloodSiblings but Lucien Draay and Q'Anilia seem to be lovers by the fact they share the same room with one bed. Also, they hold each other a great deal in times of duress.
** Arkoh Adasca also confirms it by mentioning that Lucien used to always show up at parties with Q'Anilia as his date.

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* BrotherSisterIncest: Not quite right because NotBloodSiblings they're NotBloodSiblings, but Lucien Draay and Q'Anilia seem to be lovers by the fact they share the same room with one bed. Also, they hold each other a great deal in times of duress.
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duress. Arkoh Adasca also confirms it by mentioning that Lucien used to always show up at parties with Q'Anilia as his date.



* {{Cosplay}}: Jarael enjoys dressing up as a Jedi Knight, a Sith Lord, and other disguises. It's more for fun than anything really relevant. That and a chance for the artist to show her in a variety of cute outfits.

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* FauxActionGirl: Shel is the worst assassin you could possibly pick. Ever.

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* KnightTemplar: The Jedi Covenant in a nutshell.
** And the Jedi Crusaders aka Revanchists.

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** And the Jedi Crusaders Crusaders, aka The Revanchists.



* NiceGuy: Zayne Carrick is almost unique amongst Star Wars EU protagonists in that he's just a swell person. Oddly, this makes him very popular in a genre dominated by DarkerAndEdgier protagonists.
** It also pays in dividends. Zayne is able to make friends out of pretty much everyone whose not a complete asshole by simply being a pretty swell, upstanding guy. And almost everyone he helps ends up returning the favor. Even Cassus Fett. [[spoiler:Even Lucien Draay]]

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* NiceGuy: Zayne Carrick is almost unique amongst Star Wars EU protagonists in that he's just a swell person. Oddly, this makes him very popular in a genre dominated by DarkerAndEdgier protagonists.
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protagonists. It also pays in dividends. Zayne is able to make friends out of pretty much everyone whose not a complete asshole by simply being a pretty swell, upstanding guy. And almost everyone he helps ends up returning the favor. Even Cassus Fett. [[spoiler:Even Lucien Draay]]



* ShadowArchetype: [[spoiler:Haazen and Zayne Carrick]]

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* SpannerInTheWorks: Zayne Carrick utterly unravels the Jedi Covenant, Adasca, and Mandalore's plans for the galaxy. It seems to be his role within the Star Wars universe.

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* VillainousBreakdown: Haazen and Arkoh Adasca both experience these as their evil plans collapse around their ears. They both die within minutes

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** Also subverted with [[spoiler:Lucien Dray]], for whom Hazen had even picked out a Sith-apprentice name. Made all the more surprising because [[spoiler:Dray's]] actions up to that point had clearly been leading him down the path of the dark side- and even worse, the name Hazen picked, [[spoiler: Darth Sion]], was already known to be that of a future Sith Lord whose mutilated physical appearance ''could'' have been a match for [[spoiler:Dray]]. The role was prepared for him. He just [[CrowningMomentofAwesome refused to play the part]].

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** Also subverted with [[spoiler:Lucien Dray]], Draay]], for whom Hazen had even picked out a Sith-apprentice name. Made all the more surprising because [[spoiler:Dray's]] [[spoiler:Draay's]] actions up to that point had clearly been leading him down the path of the dark side- and even worse, the name Hazen picked, [[spoiler: Darth Sion]], was already known to be that of a future Sith Lord whose mutilated physical appearance ''could'' have been a match for [[spoiler:Dray]].[[spoiler:Draay]]. The role was prepared for him. He just [[CrowningMomentofAwesome refused to play the part]].

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** Subverted even more with [[spoiler:Lucien Dray]], for whom Hazen had even picked out a Sith-apprentice name. Made all the more surprising because [[spoiler:Dray's]] actions up to that point had clearly been leading him down the path of the dark side- and even worse, the name Hazen picked, [[spoiler: Darth Sion]], was already known to be that of a future Sith Lord whose mutilated physical appearance ''could'' have been a match for [[spoiler:Dray]]. The role was prepared for him. He just [[CrowningMomentofAwesome refused to play the part]].

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** Subverted even more Also subverted with [[spoiler:Lucien Dray]], for whom Hazen had even picked out a Sith-apprentice name. Made all the more surprising because [[spoiler:Dray's]] actions up to that point had clearly been leading him down the path of the dark side- and even worse, the name Hazen picked, [[spoiler: Darth Sion]], was already known to be that of a future Sith Lord whose mutilated physical appearance ''could'' have been a match for [[spoiler:Dray]]. The role was prepared for him. He just [[CrowningMomentofAwesome refused to play the part]].



* FandomNod: Lots to the KOTOR games and the Tales of the Jedi comics.
** Special mention goes to the editor's/author's notes at the end of issue 48, where Miller details the whole [[spoiler: Rholan/Demagol]] fan discussions, and giving a nod to TV Tropes itself for its role on the topic.



* ForTheEvulz: One might argue that [[spoiler:Haazen is ONLY destroying the Jedi Knighthood and taking over the Republic to further spit on Barrison's grave.]]

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* ForTheEvulz: One might argue that [[spoiler:Haazen Haazen is ONLY destroying the Jedi Knighthood and taking over the Republic to further spit on Barrison's grave.]]



* SpannerInTheWorks: Zayne Carrick utterly unravels the Jedi Covenant, Adasca, and arguably Mandalore's plans for the galaxy. It seems to be his role within the Star Wars universe.

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* TheAce: Shad Jelevan. Of the Taris Padawans, he was easily the most talented and the natural leader of the group, clever enough to realize that their Masters were up to something and self-assured enough to call them out to their faces, and an all-around nice guy who was liked by everyone. He, naturally, doesn't make it past the first issue, leaving the role of TheHero to his friend [[ButtMonkey Zayne]] [[ComedicHero Carrick]].
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Carth Onasi



* GuileHero: Gryph, though initially light on the heroism. Zayne eventually develops into one under his tutelage.



* HarsherInHindsight: Carth's line about hoping someone would do the same for his family after revealing he'd called in storm warnings to Serroco on the off chance Zayne was telling the truth about the planet going to be bombed? A lot more bittersweet if you've played the video game and know [[spoiler: his wife dies when the Sith bombard Telos.]]



* LateToTheTragedy: The reason for Zayne's survival of the Padawan massacre. It's also revealed that they were forced to act early because his friend Shad was also late, leading to him SpottingTheThread of Zayne's master having his lightsaber and forcing them to act early.



* SleazyPolitician: Subverted by Taris Senator Goravvus, who got his seat by buying out politicians for corporations in return for them supporting his bid for office, but then once in office started to care more for the people than the payouts. He even threatens to go public with the bribes if they pull their support from Taris. [[Spoiler: They try to have him killed to keep him quiet.]]



** Del Moomo actually fills this role once when his stupidity and singlemindedness distract Raana and Shel long enough for Gryph to disarm the later, saving Zayne's life in the process Shel also unintentionally derails Jervo's plan with her first attempt to kill Zayne.

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** Del Moomo actually fills this role once when his stupidity and singlemindedness distract Raana and Shel long enough for Gryph to disarm the later, latter, saving Zayne's life in the process Shel also unintentionally derails Jervo's plan with her first attempt to kill Zayne.Zayne.
** And the padawan massacre would have gone off without a hitch if Shad's own late arrival didn't lead to him SpottingTheThread and [[PullingTheThread pulling it]], forcing the Masters to act early.
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* WhamLine: By Elbee of all people! [[spoiler:''"That was not the Mandalorian that broke my hand."'']]

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* WhamLine: By Elbee of all people! Elbee. [[spoiler:''"That was not the Mandalorian that broke my hand."'']]

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If you have to kill someone to be a badass, then no superhero in the DCU who has a no-kill code is badass, which really makes no sense.


* {{Badass}}: Subverted BIG TIME with Zayne Carrick. It's been close to forty issues and Zayne Carrick has actually [[spoiler: NOT KILLED A SINGLE PERSON despite immense justification.]]
** How the hell this is a subversion? In his situation, such approach actually demands much greater badassery.
** Actually, in a later issue Zayne had to kill a Cammasi named Snout in self defense. He doesn't take it very well.
** Played completely and utterly straight with Cassus Fett: whenever he shows up (he's normally only present through fearful/awed mentions of his name), it's to make an amazingly badass statement or speech.

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* {{Badass}}: Subverted BIG TIME with {{Badass}}:
**
Zayne Carrick. It's been close Carrick, who doesn't even have to kill a single person in forty issues and Zayne Carrick has actually [[spoiler: NOT KILLED A SINGLE PERSON despite immense justification.]]
** How the hell this is a subversion? In his situation, such approach actually demands much greater badassery.
** Actually, in a later issue Zayne had
to kill a Cammasi named Snout in self defense. He doesn't take it very well.
show it.
** Played completely and utterly straight with Cassus Fett: whenever he shows up (he's normally only present through fearful/awed mentions of his name), it's to make an amazingly badass statement or speech.
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* EvilCannotComprehendGood: Or Knight Templar Cannot Comprehend Good anyway. The Covenant routinely misunderstand Zaynes motives/actions, such as thinking he must have killed Celeste Morne.

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* WarriorPoet: Rohlan the Questioner.

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* WarriorPoet: Rohlan the Questioner. It's more mocking than any real admiration by the other Mandalorians, though.

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* WindsOfDestinyChange: [[spoiler:Zayne's "learning disability" with the Force turns out to be the ability to have probibility swing his way.]]

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* WindsOfDestinyChange: [[spoiler:Zayne's "learning disability" with the Force turns out to be the ability to have probibility swing his way.]] ]]
* WhamLine: By Elbee of all people! [[spoiler:''"That was not the Mandalorian that broke my hand."'']]
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* TragicVillain: Chantique may be evil but her backstory is pretty heartbreaking, and goes a long way to explain why she's so bitter and nihilistic.
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* WhiteHairedPrettyGirl: Jarael. And Chantique



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* BornLucky: Zayne's apparent [[BlessedWithSuck disability with learning the Force]] actually [[WindsOfDestinyChange swings the odds in his favor.]] [[FridgeBrilliance That's probably why he survived the killing of the Jedi Padawans in the beginning of the series,]] setting the whole series in motion.
-->'''Zanye:''' My master says that my existence is proof that the Force has a sense of humor!
** He would be closer to someone who always breaks even. Yes, he has INSANELY good luck at times. And, at other times, he has very bad luck. He just tends to get lucky at the right times (implying he is controlling it to some degree).

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* BornLucky: Zayne's apparent [[BlessedWithSuck disability with learning the Force]] actually [[WindsOfDestinyChange swings the odds in his favor.]] [[FridgeBrilliance That's probably why he survived the killing of the Jedi Padawans in the beginning of the series,]] setting the whole series in motion.
-->'''Zanye:'''
]]
-->'''Zayne:'''
My master says that my existence is proof that the Force has a sense of humor!
** He would be closer to someone who always breaks even. Yes, he has INSANELY good luck at times. And, at other times, he has very bad luck. He just tends to get lucky at the right times (implying he is controlling it to some degree).
humor!



** Mandalore!



* TheEmpire: The Mandalorians.
** The Mandalorians are only becoming TheEmpire. They were previously TheHorde. The fact they're becoming one is actually something that at least one Mandalorian objects to.

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* TheEmpire: The Mandalorians.
**
The Mandalorians are only becoming TheEmpire. They were previously TheHorde. The fact they're becoming one is actually something that at least one Mandalorian objects to.



* KarmaHoudini: At least one of Zayne Carrick's villains gets away scott-free. [[spoiler:Lucien Draay]]
** Hey, he's blind after the whole thing, that's not exactly scott-free.

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* KarmaHoudini: At least one of Zayne Carrick's villains gets away scott-free. [[spoiler:Lucien Draay]]
** Hey, he's blind after the whole thing, that's not exactly scott-free.
Draay, except for being blind]]



** Assuming they're mutually exclusive.



** What's "odd" about that, considering the position of the original movies on the SlidingScaleOfIdealismVersusCynicism? If anything, the persistent attempts of EU authors to make ''StarWars'' universe DarkerAndEdgier (even the original KnightsOfTheOldRepublic games slipped into it in the sequel), which seem to alienate alot of fans are odd.



* ProphecyTwist: Zayne Carrick's prophecy. [[spoiler:Is in fact totally made up to just screw with the minds of the Jedi Covenant]].
** It was also to buy Zayne time.

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* ProphecyTwist: Zayne Carrick's prophecy. [[spoiler:Is in fact totally made up to just screw with the minds of the Jedi Covenant]].
** It was also
Covenant and to buy Zayne him time.]].



** As well as any Mandalorian that makes an apperance, natch.
*** Except Demagol.
* {{Seers}}

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** As well as any Mandalorian that makes an apperance, natch.
***
apperance. Except Demagol.
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[[MadScientist Demagol.]]

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** After [[spoiler:saving Zayne from the Jedi Covenant in the introductory story-arc]], Jarael seems incapable of defeating anything other than {{Mooks}}, and has to be rescued by the main characters from the Mandalorians, Lord Adasca, a rogue assassin droid ... To be fair, it has been made abundantly clear that only the most powerful Jedis or Sith can have a chance alone against a small group of Mandalorians - Jarael got ambushed by a whole ''platoon'' of them.
** In Shel's case, it's not easy to kill someone even if you are a trained soldier, and she's just a civilian who has no choice but to fight. Plus, it helped that Zayne massively deconstructed her motivation for wanting to kill him by a.) forcing her to face that she really had no clue as to why she thought he was guilty, and b.) showing genuine grief over her brother's death, which is not exactly the kind of things darksiders do.

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** After [[spoiler:saving Zayne from the Jedi Covenant in the introductory story-arc]], Jarael seems incapable of defeating anything other than {{Mooks}}, and has to be rescued by the main characters from the Mandalorians, Lord Adasca, a rogue assassin droid ... To be fair, it has been made abundantly clear that only the most powerful Jedis or Sith can have a chance alone against a small group of Mandalorians - Jarael got ambushed by a whole ''platoon'' of them.
** In Shel's case, it's not easy to kill someone even if you are a trained soldier, and she's just a civilian who has no choice but to fight. Plus, it helped that Zayne massively deconstructed her motivation for wanting to kill him by a.) forcing her to face that she really had no clue as to why she thought he was guilty, and b.) showing genuine grief over her brother's death, which is not exactly the kind of things darksiders do.
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