Follow TV Tropes

Following

History ComicBook / KnightsOfTheOldRepublic

Go To

OR

Added: 160

Changed: 80

Removed: 105

Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
Authority Equals Asskicking has been renamed. Also commented out Zero Context Examples.


* ArtifactOfDoom: Kanness Muur's talisman.
** [[Comicbook/TalesOfTheJedi Exar Kun's lightsaber.]]

to:

* ArtifactOfDoom: %%* ArtifactOfDoom:
%%**
Kanness Muur's talisman.
** %%** [[Comicbook/TalesOfTheJedi Exar Kun's lightsaber.]]



* TheAtoner: [[spoiler:Lucien Draay, eventually.]]
* AuthorityEqualsAsskicking: Lucien Draay and Mandalore are both amongst the best warriors in the galaxy.

to:

* %%* TheAtoner: [[spoiler:Lucien Draay, eventually.]]
* AuthorityEqualsAsskicking: Lucien Draay and Mandalore are both amongst the best warriors in the galaxy.
]]


Added DiffLines:

* RankScalesWithAsskicking: Lucien Draay and Mandalore are both amongst the best warriors in the galaxy.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

* InsaneTrollLogic: The operating standard for the Jedi Covenant who if not for taking the most absurd extreme option on a mere vague vision, the plot would not have happened.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

* FlawExploitation: The Jedi Covenant are so terrified of a red space-suited Sith who would kill them all, that [[spoiler:Jarael wearing a red spacesuit storming into their place screaming 'Die Jedi' while swinging around a lightsaber makes them too scared and petrified to try to stop her from rescueing Zayne.]]
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
Misuse. Characters must realize and comment in-universe on how they could have avoided the plot.


* CouldHaveAvoidedThisPlot: Camper's illness and his and Jarael's capture by Adascorp could have been avoided if Camper had thought about changing his ship's air filters, as it was actually molds and allergens running through the Last Resort's air circulation that caused him to become ill and pushed Jarael to seek Adascorp's medicine to heal him, and if he had told Jarael about his reasons for running from the company [[spoiler: due to the Adascas wanting to use him to weaponize exogorths, and of their racism against and intentions to eliminate arkanian offshots.]]
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

* SurprisinglyRealisticOutcome: As Eejee Vamm points out to Camper, leaving a ship inactive for years without proper maintenance can't be good for health. Due to having been hidden in a trashyard for years and of its air filters having not been replaced, the Last Resort had accumulated microbes and other toxic substances into it, which could circulate freely into the ship without anything to filter them, which eventually contaminated Camper.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

* CouldHaveAvoidedThisPlot: Camper's illness and his and Jarael's capture by Adascorp could have been avoided if Camper had thought about changing his ship's air filters, as it was actually molds and allergens running through the Last Resort's air circulation that caused him to become ill and pushed Jarael to seek Adascorp's medicine to heal him, and if he had told Jarael about his reasons for running from the company [[spoiler: due to the Adascas wanting to use him to weaponize exogorths, and of their racism against and intentions to eliminate arkanian offshots.]]
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* TragicVillain: Chantique may be evil but her backstory is pretty heartbreaking, and goes a long way to explain why she's so bitter and nihilistic.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* TookALevelInBadAss: Zayne Carrick manages to setup an information gathering network he calls the "Rogue Moon Project," designed to help refugees and people who were wrongfully accused while making himself its first field agent. You read that right kids, [[ComedicHero that]] [[CharacterDevelopment Zayne Carrick.]]

to:

* TookALevelInBadAss: Zayne Carrick manages to setup set up an information gathering network he calls the "Rogue Moon Project," designed to help refugees and people who were wrongfully accused while making himself its first field agent. You read that right kids, [[ComedicHero that]] [[CharacterDevelopment Zayne Carrick.]]



** [[spoiler: Demagol get's one too, learning that his life's work was a failure and that the force talent he thought he instilled in his students was just his latent powers all along. Except for his daughter, who has actual talent, but who he sold into slavery, thinking she was a failure. Then he ends up dying by the very blade he'd stolen to give to Jarael.]]

to:

** [[spoiler: Demagol get's one too, learning that his life's work was a failure and that the force Force talent he thought he instilled in his students was just his latent powers all along. Except for his daughter, who has actual talent, but who whom he sold into slavery, thinking she was a failure. Then he ends up dying by the very blade he'd stolen to give to Jarael.]]



* WellDoneSonGuy: Lucien Draay craves this from his father. [[spoiler:Subverted in the fact that his father is dead and seems likely to have not been nearly the stuffed shirt that Lucien Draay thinks he was.]]

to:

* WellDoneSonGuy: Lucien Draay craves this from his father. [[spoiler:Subverted in the fact that his father is long dead and seems likely to have not been nearly the stuffed shirt that Lucien Draay thinks he was.]]
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* FairWeatherMentor: The First Watch Circle Jedi Masters were this to their Padawans. While it's true that Lucien was the worst of them and at least the four other masters actually put effort into the training of their Padawans, it is clear they only took Padawans in because they had no choice, as they needed a cover-up for their secret activities in the Jedi Covenant. When they get a vision they believe shows them one of their students turning to the Dark Side, they decide to kill their students. How they react to the thought of killing their students varies. Raana Tey was the first to say they should kill their students, though later she would suffer from guilt. Lucien Draay and Feln are indifferent to the thought of killing their students and show no remorse. Q'Anilia and Xamar are the ones most horrified at the thought of killing their students, but reluctantly agree to kill them. Both Q'Anilia and Xamar suffer a tremendous amount of guilt for the murder of their students, but only Xamar questions if they did the right thing and finally confesses to their crimes.

to:

* FairWeatherMentor: The First Watch Circle Jedi Masters were this to their Padawans. While it's true that Lucien was the worst of them and at least the four other masters Masters actually put effort into the training of their Padawans, it is clear they only took Padawans in because they had no choice, as they needed a cover-up cover for their secret and unsanctioned activities in the Jedi Covenant. When they get a vision that they believe shows them one of their students turning to the Dark Side, they decide to kill ''kill'' their students. How they react to the thought of killing their students Padawans varies. Raana Tey was the first to say they should kill their students, though later she would suffer from guilt. Lucien Draay and Feln are indifferent to the thought of killing their students and show no remorse. Q'Anilia and Xamar are the ones most horrified at the thought of killing their students, but reluctantly agree to kill them. them, with Xamar being the last Master to knuckle under. Both Q'Anilia and Xamar suffer a tremendous amount of guilt for the murder of their students, but only Xamar questions if they did the right thing and finally confesses to their crimes.crimes to the Jedi Council.



* FantasticRacism: The treatment that pure blooded Arkanians show off-shoots.

to:

* FantasticRacism: The treatment that pure blooded pureblooded Arkanians show mete out to off-shoots.



** After [[spoiler:saving Zayne from the Jedi Covenant in the introductory story-arc]], Jarael seems incapable of defeating anything other than {{Mooks}}, and has to be rescued by the main characters from the Mandalorians, Lord Adasca, a rogue assassin droid.

to:

** After [[spoiler:saving Zayne from the Jedi Covenant in the introductory story-arc]], Jarael seems incapable of defeating anything other than {{Mooks}}, and has to be rescued by the main characters from the Mandalorians, Lord Adasca, and a rogue assassin droid.



* FirstEpisodeTwist: Lucien and the other masters murder their padawans, with Zayne being the only survivor forced to go on the run.
* {{Foreshadowing}}: Several, given the amount of AuthorsSavingThrow the writer manage to pull off. A particularly notable one is hidden in one of the extra bounty hunter ebullient at the end of one of the issues, saying a certain person couldn't be the Corellian Strangler because he's too small. Cue issue 38.

to:

* FirstEpisodeTwist: Lucien and the other masters Masters murder their padawans, Padawans, with Zayne being the only survivor forced to go on the run.
* {{Foreshadowing}}: Several, given the amount of AuthorsSavingThrow the writer manage to pull off. A particularly notable one is hidden in one of the extra bounty hunter hunters ebullient at the end of one of the issues, saying a certain person couldn't be the Corellian Strangler because he's too small. Cue issue 38.



** The Crucible gleefully admits that they no longer have a purpose for their crimes, but do it anyway.

to:

** The With the old Sith Empire being long gone, the Crucible gleefully admits that they no longer have a purpose for their crimes, but do it anyway.



* GreenEyedMonster: Haazen destroys [[spoiler:Barrison Draay solely out of jealousy over the man's wealth, power, and luck with women.]]

to:

* GreenEyedMonster: Haazen destroys murders [[spoiler:Barrison Draay solely out of jealousy over the man's wealth, power, and luck with women.]]



** Senator Gorravus is a half human half Mirialan hybrid (his wealthy father had an affair with an alien servant).

to:

** Senator Gorravus is a half human half Mirialan half-human/half-Mirialan hybrid (his wealthy father had an affair with an alien servant).



* {{Irony}}: An remarkably bitter example. Zayne discovers that the Padawan Massacre occurred early enough for him to miss it (and survive) only because one of his best friends realized he was too incompetent for the Masters' claim that he was being knighted along with the rest of them to be truthful. He does not take this realization well.

to:

* {{Irony}}: An A remarkably bitter example. Zayne discovers that the Padawan Massacre occurred early enough for him to miss it (and survive) only because one of his best friends realized he was too incompetent for the Masters' claim that he was being knighted along with the rest of them to be truthful. He does not take this realization well.



* KarmaHoudini: At least one of Zayne Carrick's villains gets away scott-free. [[spoiler:Lucien Draay, the man who orchestrated the massacre, is blinded but otherwise gets to live out his life.]]

to:

* KarmaHoudini: At least one of Zayne Carrick's villains gets away scott-free.scot-free. [[spoiler:Lucien Draay, the man who orchestrated the massacre, is blinded but otherwise gets to live out his life.]]



** And the Jedi Crusaders, aka The Revanchists. They want to stop the Mandalorians in the face of the Council's inaction, but they're destined to become Revan's army of Sith and Dark Jedi.

to:

** And the Jedi Crusaders, aka The the Revanchists. They want to stop the Mandalorians in the face of the Council's inaction, but they're destined to become Revan's army of Sith and Dark Jedi.



* LateToTheTragedy: The reason Zayne survives the Padawan massacre. It's also revealed that they were forced to act early because his friend Shad was also late, leading to him SpottingTheThread of Zayne's master having his lightsaber and forcing them to act early.

to:

* LateToTheTragedy: The reason Zayne survives the Padawan massacre. It's also revealed that they were forced to act early because his friend Shad was also late, leading to him SpottingTheThread of Zayne's master Master having his lightsaber and forcing them to act early.



** Zayne Carrick is almost unique amongst Star Wars EU protagonists in that he's just a swell person. Oddly, this makes him very popular in a genre dominated by DarkerAndEdgier protagonists. It also pays in dividends. Zayne is able to make friends out of pretty much everyone whose not a complete asshole by simply being a pretty swell, upstanding guy. And almost everyone he helps ends up returning the favor. Even Cassus Fett. [[spoiler:Even Lucien Draay]]
** What little we see of Shad and the other padawans depict them as very nice people. Only Shad gets any significant amount of dialogue, but they all celebrate when Lucien lies that Zayne will be knighted, happy for their friend.
* NotSoDifferentRemark: Zayne Carrick and [[spoiler:Haazen. Haazen points out that he too was an abused failed Padawan that no one took seriously. The difference is that Zayne didn't expect that he would make it on the coattails of his more-skilled friends, whereas Haazen let it build into a lifelong resentment.]]

to:

** Zayne Carrick is almost unique amongst Star Wars EU protagonists in that he's just a swell person. Oddly, this makes him very popular in a genre dominated by DarkerAndEdgier protagonists. It also pays in dividends. dividends; Zayne is able to make friends out of pretty much everyone whose not a complete asshole by simply being a pretty swell, upstanding guy. And almost everyone he helps ends up returning the favor. Even Cassus Fett. [[spoiler:Even Lucien Draay]]
Draay.]]
** What little we see of Shad and the other padawans Padawans depict them as very nice people. Only Shad gets any significant amount of dialogue, but they all celebrate when Lucien lies that Zayne will be knighted, happy for their friend.
friend. Before Shad [[SpottingTheThread spots the thread]], that is.
* NotSoDifferentRemark: Zayne Carrick and [[spoiler:Haazen. Haazen points out that he too was an abused failed Padawan that no one took seriously. The difference is that Zayne didn't expect that he would make it on the coattails of his more-skilled more skilled friends, whereas Haazen let it build into a lifelong resentment.]]



* OmniscientMoralityLicense: The Covenant, and Lucien in particular, think they have one of these due to all being powerful seers. Too bad that no one ever told them that "always in motion is the future".

to:

* OmniscientMoralityLicense: The Covenant, and Lucien in particular, think they have one of these due to all being powerful seers. Too bad that no one ever told them that "always in motion is the future". future."



* PintSizedPowerhouse: In issue #38, Zayne's party encounters Toki Tollivar, a member of the diminutive Bimm species. Tollivar turns out to be a serial killer and a Sith, and he dominates Zayne in the subsequent lightsaber duel.

to:

* PintSizedPowerhouse: In issue #38, Zayne's party encounters Toki Tollivar, a member of the diminutive Bimm species. Tollivar turns out to be a serial killer and a Sith, Sith who served Exar Kun during the Sith War, and he dominates Zayne in the subsequent lightsaber duel.



* PropheticFallacy: The dream of the red space suited Sith is almost certainly about Darth Malak. The Jedi Covenant chasing Zayne wastes time, resources, and effectively destroys their organization.
* ProphecyTwist: Zayne Carrick's prophecy. [[spoiler:Is in fact totally made up to just screw with the minds of the Jedi Covenant and to buy him time.]].
* ProudWarriorRaceGuy: The Mandalorians in general. Rohlan Dyre in particular, who's so much of one that he questions the current crop of Mandalorians.
* PullingTheThread: Shad, upon arriving to the knighting ceremony, asks why the masters carry their lightsabers. They claim that it's for the knighting ceremony. He then asks why Lucien has his saber, and Lucien claims that even somewhat innept Jedi like Zayne are needed for the war effort. Shad and the other padawans celebrate for a moment... then stop, realizing that even with the war going on there is no way Lucien would knight Zayne.
* RedemptionEarnsLife: [[spoiler:Unlike the other Jedi Covenant members, Lucien Draay survives after he rejects the Sith and helps to kill Haazen and thwart his plans.]]

to:

* PropheticFallacy: The dream of the red space suited Sith is almost certainly about Darth Malak. The Jedi Covenant chasing Zayne wastes time, resources, and effectively destroys their own organization.
* ProphecyTwist: Zayne Carrick's prophecy. [[spoiler:Is in fact totally made up to just screw with the minds of the Jedi Covenant and to buy him time.]].
]]
* ProudWarriorRaceGuy: The Mandalorians in general. Rohlan Dyre in particular, who's so much of one that he questions the current crop of Mandalorians.
Mandalorians and their whole war with the Republic.
* PullingTheThread: Shad, upon arriving to at the knighting ceremony, asks why the masters Masters carry their lightsabers. They claim that it's for the knighting ceremony. He then asks why Lucien has his saber, and Lucien claims that even somewhat innept Jedi like Zayne are needed for the war effort. Shad and the other padawans Padawans celebrate for a moment... then stop, realizing that even with the war going on there is no way Lucien someone like [[JerkAss Lucien]] would knight Zayne.
* RedemptionEarnsLife: [[spoiler:Unlike the other Jedi Covenant members, Lucien Draay survives after he rejects the Sith and helps to kill Haazen and thwart his plans.]]



** And the padawan massacre would have gone off without a hitch if Shad's own late arrival didn't lead to him SpottingTheThread and [[PullingTheThread pulling it]], forcing the Masters to act early.

to:

** And the padawan massacre Padawan Massacre would have gone off without a hitch if Shad's own late arrival didn't lead to him SpottingTheThread and [[PullingTheThread pulling it]], forcing the Masters to act early.



* SpottingTheThread: Shad was quite the perceptive young jedi. After arriving late to the Knighting ceremony due to celebrating with his family, he noticed that the masters were still carrying their sabers, which usually wasn't allowed on the temple floor. The masters claim that it's for the knighting ceremony, but Shad also notes that Lucien is carrying ''his'' saber. Shad and the other padawans love and appreciate Zayne, but they know damn well that Lucien would never knight him.

to:

* SpottingTheThread: Shad was quite the perceptive young jedi. Jedi. After arriving late to the Knighting knighting ceremony due to celebrating with his family, he noticed that the masters Masters were still carrying their sabers, which usually wasn't allowed on the temple floor. The masters Masters claim that it's for the knighting ceremony, but Shad also notes that Lucien is carrying ''his'' saber. Shad and the other padawans Padawans love and appreciate Zayne, but they know damn well that Lucien would never knight him.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

* PintSizedPowerhouse: In issue #38, Zayne's party encounters Toki Tollivar, a member of the diminutive Bimm species. Tollivar turns out to be a serial killer and a Sith, and he dominates Zayne in the subsequent lightsaber duel.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
Not So Different has been renamed, and it needs to be dewicked/moved


* NotSoDifferent: Zayne Carrick and [[spoiler:Haazen. Haazen points out that he too was an abused failed Padawan that no one took seriously. The difference is that Zayne didn't expect that he would make it on the coattails of his more-skilled friends, whereas Haazen let it build into a lifelong resentment.]]

to:

* NotSoDifferent: NotSoDifferentRemark: Zayne Carrick and [[spoiler:Haazen. Haazen points out that he too was an abused failed Padawan that no one took seriously. The difference is that Zayne didn't expect that he would make it on the coattails of his more-skilled friends, whereas Haazen let it build into a lifelong resentment.]]
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

* RedHerring: Either this or AbortedArc, it's difficult to tell. Several of the characters seem to be set up as future characters from ''The Sith Lords'', namely Lucien being the younger Darth Sion and Krynda being the younger Kreia. This doesn't go anywhere, however, as [[spoiler:Lucien is redeemed long before the rise of Sion, and Krynda dies too early]].
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

** Also, the Revanchists.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
Jossed is a YMMV Definition Only Page now. Deleting examples, fan theories that are in objective pages - they need to go on YMMV pages - and moving these about a specific fan work to Outdated By Canon


* BaitAndSwitch: See {{Jossed}} below. [[spoiler:The writer seem to have ''intentionally'' made readers think that characters were really characters from ''VideoGame/KnightsOfTheOldRepublic'' (the games) and subverted a fictional case of YoungFutureFamousPeople. Krynda Draay sounds like Kreia, has precognitive/clairvoyant powers, and is half-Miraluka like Kreia is implied to be in KOTOR II; Haazen looks like Darth Sion; Lucien Draay is even offered the title of Darth Sion, fits the definition of a "scion," and was originally named "Lusion". None of these people ended up having any direct consequence to the plot of the games. Alek does end up starting down the road to becoming Darth Malak though.]]

to:

* BaitAndSwitch: See {{Jossed}} below. [[spoiler:The writer seem to have ''intentionally'' made readers think that characters were really characters from ''VideoGame/KnightsOfTheOldRepublic'' (the games) and subverted a fictional case of YoungFutureFamousPeople. Krynda Draay sounds like Kreia, has precognitive/clairvoyant powers, and is half-Miraluka like Kreia is implied to be in KOTOR II; Haazen looks like Darth Sion; Lucien Draay is even offered the title of Darth Sion, fits the definition of a "scion," and was originally named "Lusion". None of these people ended up having any direct consequence to the plot of the games. Alek does end up starting down the road to becoming Darth Malak though.]]

Top