Discussion YMMV / TheSaviorKingTheMasterTacticianAndTheQueenOfLiberation

Pardon the interruption, I think the initial wording to those entries reads as biased against the fic.

The tropes themselves are fine, you can readd them, especially since reddit fanfic discussions of the fanfic also back up the sentiments of the tropes you described, but the wording comes off as biased from one person rather than neutral sounding. 💦

That's fine, Aneaeleone didn't seem willing to talk about it, so I appreciate you stepping in.

I also saw your previous edit, everything looked good but there were a few minor grammar issues I'll get around to tweaking later on.

If you'd like, you can re-add them in a more neutral manner and I'll see if it still sounds good?

@Raxis sure thing

All right, I went over and fixed the grammar, the edits look good now. Thanks for the help!

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They seemed to me like passive-aggressive examples left by people who disliked how the author portrayed Edelgard, mocking the plot for not 'predicting' Three Hope's revelations

I don't think disagreeing with someone's conclusions in a YMMV trope is sufficient grounds to just deleting them wholecloth. If you have concerns it'd be better to bring them up on Discussions first.

Well, you see, for one thing, I noticed that on a similarly popular and lengthy fic's YMMV page, tropes like Designated Hero and Ron the Death Eater had been removed without explanation. It seemed to me that this must be an unspoken sort of policy for fanfic YMMV pages, and therefore I removed it.

For another, your example does not fit the described trope. Ron the Death Eater isn't just for having canonical tropes exaggerated; that would be Flanderization. Ron the Death Eater is when an explicitly heroic and good character is demonized in fanworks. Edelgard is not an explicitly heroic and good character, and she does canonically refer to Dimitri as the "King of Delusions" and dismisses Claude as a potential ruler for Fodlan based on his supposed lack of knowledge about it; her canonical behavior has been exaggerated (or perhaps taken to its logical conclusion, depending on your point of view); therefore, it does not fit the trope.

If you have complaints about edit conduct on another work's YMMV page then you need to bring it up to discussion on that page. As I've been told on this site many times, ignorance of the rules is no excuse.

Anyways, the first lines of the Ron the Death Eater description state;

"The fandom's tendency to shoehorn a good canon character into being a villain or make a villain significantly more evil than in canon is Ron the Death Eater"

The morality of the character from canon is irrelevant. All that matters is whether the person is being portrayed more negatively.

"and she does canonically refer to Dimitri as the "King of Delusions""

Her tone is sorrowful, not mocking. She's not trying to insult his mental state, she's lamenting the state he was in in the end.

Compare that to;

"Not that she could neglect Dimitri, as Ladislava's death had proven painfully clear. But it was obvious that he was the weak link among the leaders; half mad (his laughter in the chamber, manic behavior in battle, and absurd fixation on the idea that she had somehow 'betrayed' him made that clear) and likely reliant on Claude for strategy and Byleth to keep himself alive in battle."

She also later regards him as "that naïve lunatic"

Which is clearly just mocking and disregarding his mental capacity. Edelgard never disregards him this way in canon.

"and dismisses Claude as a potential ruler for Fodlan based on his supposed lack of knowledge about it"

How can that even be inferred to be about his mixed heritage?

Compare that to;

"arrogant, ignorant foreigner"

"that wretched half blood"

And, frankly, this is without even getting into other things like Edelgard tricking civilians into becoming Demonic Beasts when we have no idea what subjects were being used to create them and whether or not those subjects agreed or were forced into it in canon.

"If you have complaints about edit conduct on another work's YMMV page then you need to bring it up to discussion on that page. As I've unfortunately been told on this site many times, ignorance of the rules is no excuse."

Well, it would track that it takes many times to tell you things, considering the multiple people you've harassed online. And I'm not complaining about that work's YMMV page. I simply took it as a model and assumed that those were the rules.

I'll grant you that I got the trope wrong; your edit—bad faith and arguable though it may be—is valid. I hope you will permit similar edits to the pages of other works that you do happen to like.

"How can that even be inferred to be about his mixed heritage?"

I can see how a writer might infer it. Claude is foreign -> a foreigner wouldn't know anything about Fodlan -> Claude doesn't know anything about Fodlan, therefore Edelgard's dim view of Claude's capabilities is based on him being foreign. It's not a conclusion I would draw, but not an entirely unreasonable one.

"Her tone is sorrowful, not mocking. She's not trying to insult his mental state, she's lamenting the state he was in in the end."

His...perfectly sane, stable mental state where he was reasonably opposing her war of conquest and calling her out for her callous disregard for human life and all she could respond with was "no u"? ok lol

I'll grant you that I got the trope wrong; your edit—bad faith and arguable though it may be—is valid. I hope you will permit similar edits to the pages of other works that you do happen to like.

If the example is valid, certainly. Since discussion seems to have concluded now, I'll just go revert the change.