Then why is the Complete Monster trope even listed on the YMMV page?
Because The Bible is about fictional Pharisees, not the Real Life ones. It's an Invoked Trope which can get Real Life examples.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
I'm not sure it's proper to declare the Bible is "fiction". Whether or not you believe in it, it's not meant as a work of fiction, and there are people who will take offense to it being referred to as such.
^This. Calling it fiction is just going to tick people off.
There is a [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=gsjp7dldjh2dwdelcha2hu17
thread]] on the forums for requesting edits/additions to locked pages, from what I've seen that gets the mods attention more than the discussion pages. They could also decide whether Complete Monster belongs on the page or not.
Yes, please refrain from referring to the Bible as fiction, even if you do think it is. There's already Flame Bait laced in here as it is...
The Bible is here 'because' it is literature, and is treated as fiction for the purposes of this wiki. Hence, Complete Monster is permitted.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
The Pharisees believe they are doing the right thing, and don't come close to measuring up to the actions of Haman, the only Biblical character who truly approaches CM-hood.
And congrats on exaggerating their crimes. Barrabas, the guy who was set free, was a thief, not a mass murderer and rapist.
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^^ In that case, Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard entries are allowed for portrayals in biopics right?
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The Zangoose nobody likes
I need someone to remove the Evil Is Sexy example. The trope has been disambiguated and shouldn't be listed on YMMV pages anymore.
"That is hard to argue or agree with." ~Penny
We need to remove the What An Idiot sections now that they are flame bait and Darth
Linking to a past Trope Repair Shop thread that dealt with this page: Do we even need subjective tropes for this?, started by Gundamforce on Mar 26th 2011 at 12:01:56 PM
I wander if we should have Satan be an example of Love to Hate and Ensemble Dark Horse. The former because, let's face it, there's a reason why he's considered the consumate villain. The latter because he was originally obscure
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Both require a work to be fictional. (A Real Life form of Ensemble Dark Horse could be Germans Love David Hasselhoff, though "love" may be the wrong word here).
Hello, I would like to add the following to the 'Your Mileage May Vary' page about the Bible; "Values Resonance: The Book of Genesis and the Theory of Evolution share the tenant that all life on Earth first came from the water." This can be found in Genesis 1:20
And God said, “Let the water teem with living creatures, and let birds fly above the earth across the vault of the sky.”
Since the verse mentions creatures of the water first, may this be added to that page? I am happy to, with permission, add it myself or have a mod add it for me.
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Not the right place to ask for an edit to a locked page. Please use the Edit Requests thread.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
It's super effective.
- Moral Event Horizon:
- Satan has a lot:
- Many people consider him tempting Eve with the fruit as this, as it resulted in pretty much all the evil and suffering in the world. This one only applies to Satan if he is the snake, however, and some people see it as a failed attempt at giving mankind wisdom.
- What he did to Job. Yeah, he had permission, but it's still a pretty nasty thing to do.
- Helping the Antichrist to deceive people into worshiping him.
- Desiring to "sift Peter as wheat," which most likely means he wanted to do the same things to Peter as he did to Job.
- The Bible implies that he was behind Jesus crucifixion. If so, he was not only Hoist by His Own Petard but Out-Gambitted, because Jesus's death, preplanned by God, opened the one and only way for people to be saved.
- In Revelation, he is pictured (probably metaphorically) as a red dragon sanding in front of a delivering woman so he can devour her child as soon as it is born.
- Saul:
- Repeatedly trying to kill David, even after all the kindness and mercy he showed him.
- Killing the priests of Nob who harbored David.
- Almost getting his son Jonathan killed for not keeping Saul's foolish oath that he knew nothing about, and later deliberately trying to kill Jonathan for standing up for David.
- Murdering some of the Gibeonites, whom Israel had sworn to protect. This one also applies to his household. This would come back to haunt the house of Saul when the Gibeonites forced David to hand over Saul's grandsons to be executed as the price of their allegiance.
- Satan has a lot:
You don't have multiple Moral Event Horizon crossings. Can someone reword this better on the sandbox page?
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Agreed; the way the Moral Event Horizon entry is written is not right. "Satan has a lot" could be changed to "Satan committed multiple Moral Event Horizon-worthy deeds".
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Wondering if there's room for the Bible's Fanwork Ban, which can be read in Revelations 22:18:
- And I solemnly declare to everyone who hears the words of prophecy written in this book: If anyone adds anything to what is written here, God will add to that person the plagues described in this book.
It's, er, Word of God, after all....
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Yes, but Fanwork Ban is Trivia and not YMMV, so it goes on Trivia.The Bible.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
I have another example that should be added to Big-Lipped Alligator Moment on the YMMV page: the young man who followed Jesus, then ran away naked, during his arrest in Mark 14:51-52. It's an odd brief moment with no clear reason to be present in the narrative - I think it certainly fits.
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Feel free to ask here.
To anyone who has the authority to unlock and edit this page, there is a slight grammatical error that needs fixing. In Dying Moment of Awesome, "He could of called thousands of angels to smite His killers" should be "He could have called thousands of angels to smite His killers".
Can we give the CMO As their own page now? There are enough examples to justify it.
If anyone of the mods wants to, I think the Pharisees may count as Complete Monsters. The NT goes into detail about how they use their power and wealth to abuse and condemn the less fortunate while at the same time boasting about their fake superiority. They punish people for doing good things (when they rebuked Jesus for healing a man on the Sabbath), stone people to death. And not least of all, they subjected the the kindest being in the world to the cruelest, most demeaning method of execution they could get away with because he brought people hope and happiness. To go further into explanation of that last point, not only did they have Jesus tortured, humiliated, demonized and killed, they bullied Pilate into making complying with their whims and when they chose to set a mass murderer and rapist free rather than Jesus. As if that weren't enough but they're even worse than Soddom and Gommorrah (who were a bunch of selfish, cruel, greedy bastards who raped and neglected the poor) because at least S&G would've listened to Jesus. They've left a legacy because when people criticize hypocritical religious nuts, they're usually called Pharisees. If this doesn't qualify them as iredeemable psychopaths/narcissists, then there's nothing that can.
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