Yeah I feel it’s more a carryover from Marriland’s Nuzlocke where he joked Scott was evil
Okay. I think I'll scrub it from the page, or at least comment it out.
Does Lysandre and by extent Team Flare Count? They are by far the least popular villous team for their generic goals, lack of personality and most of their plots being recycled from previous games?
How come there are no Pokémon species listed as scrappies when there are many qualifiers? Parasect, Kanto Farfetch’d, Jynx, Delibird, Luvdisc, Lickilicky, Lumineon, Watchog Bascilan, and Bruxish are all Pokémon ive seen widely hated. From what I’ve encounted in my 10 years as a dedicated Poke fan I’ve seen next to no defenders of any of these
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Most Pokémon that would be considered Scrappies mainly come from being Tier Induced Scrappy (either low or high tier). And even someone like Bruxish doesn't make the things actively worse for the audience.
Continue the bloodline, Fujimaru!
- The Scrappy is about being hated for hurting the quality of story so hated for non-narrative reasons alone doesn't count.
- Groups, unless small enough each member can be judged individually, don't count as it's possible for individual members to be more popular. Thus whole species are exempt.
But we allow species as base breaking characters and very few are base breaking for narrative reasons. Though does that mean we could count specific Pokémon like Whitney’s Miltank?
After removing Alain twice on the basis that YMMV.Pokemon Anime has been looked due to all the recent backlash makes it too soon to make a rational call. So I am creating this to determine if he qualifies.
Let's compare Alain to other established scrappies for beating Ash in the league.
- Ritchie: hated for being and overly perfect clone of Ash. Alain: a distinct personality that was well received until then.
- Tobias: hated for coming out of nowhere and having no character otherwise. Alain: had a whole miniseries dedicated to building him up as a formidable trainer and giving him character and motivation.
- Cameron: hated for being such an idiot that he shouldn't have done as well as he did and causing Ash to regress in the league. Alain: perfectly competent and Ash got his best league showing to date.
If you can't think of anything that could change about Alain that would make his beating Ash more tolerable, then he has no sound rational for hating him as he has nothing to due with the controversial league outcome.
I think we should at least wait until the conclusion of the Team Flare arc, or better yet, the XY season, and thus the conclusion of his character arc, to decide if he qualifies or not.
Anything to add/discuss?
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So because you like the character it means that the consensus with the rest of the fanbase is irrelevant? It's more than safe to say that a vast majority of fans hate this character. It was so bad that for weeks the preview of Pokemon episodes on TV Tokyo was in the tens of thousands of dislikes and even got disabled for a period of time.
I'm adding Alain back to the list. Your opinion doesn't dictate facts and you're coming off as an angry fanboy/fangirl who doesn't like the fact that his/her favorite character has a negative reaction. Fact is, people were angry with the anime specifically because of this character. They wanted this character to lose. They don't care that it was a good battle, they wanted him to lose the battle and give us something new in the 20 year anime history. Alain represents the status quo of the anime series. The fandom is sick of characters like him. He was made to appeal to older audiences the same way the actual Scrappy was done to appeal to kids. The older fandom overwhelmingly showed hate for this character post-finals match and didn't feel any sympathy for him in the arc that followed. He was seen as nothing more than a plot-armored creator's pet to the level exceeding Paul.
Also, I would like to add one thing. If Tobias is on here, then so should Alain. Tobias at least gave Ash a moral victory in being the one and only to knock out his Darkrai, and later Pikachu tying Latios. Alain came across as a Gary Stu who never lost any battle and his golden Pokemon Charizard swept through everyone.
Yes. Alain is a scrappy character. Your holdout of him is irrational. I could make a post defending Max, but would he be allowed to be taken off the list just cause you might think otherwise? Alain doesn't deserve special treatment just because you like him. He's a scrappy in many fans' eyes and needs to be on here.
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It's not that I like him, it's that a lot of the people you say hate him did like him until the league. Other league scrappies had little love prior, he had lots, which must be accounted for.
Isn't there a dedicated YMMV Pokemon Anime cleanup thread?
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There is a dedicated cleanup thread
. I ran Alain by it and there wasn't enough consensus there to say he qualified.
I think Ash should qualify, there are Pokémon fans and Pokémon anime fans that hate him, my entry that was deleted:
- It starts with it's main character, Ash, considered one of the worst, if not the worst, protagonist not only in anime, but in any media, for being very incompetent in what he is supposed to do, for being too much of an Idiot Hero, for being whiny, for abandoning his Pokémon, for constantly getting what he wants without merit, for stealing bicycles, the list goes on.
- It also helps that he takes the place of Red in people's minds, making those who aren't hardcore fans think the main character of Red and Blue and Ash are one and the same when Ash is just a very, very different counterpart of him.
- It starts with it's main character, Ash, considered one of the worst, if not the worst, protagonist not only in anime, but in any media, for being very incompetent in what he is supposed to do, for being too much of an Idiot Hero, for being whiny, for abandoning his Pokémon, for constantly getting what he wants without merit, for stealing bicycles, the list goes on.
To be fair, that entry was deleted over an argument that the anime exists for 20 years even with a bad main character.
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A Scrappy requires more then a few people hating him. It's a large amount of fans hating them without notable detraction. The Mewtwo from the 16th movie is an unequivocal Scrappy since it was meant to have lasting effect on Mewtwo's character, only for those efforts to be quickly reversed. If Ash is a Scrappy, his entry must explain why a show were he is the main character has remind popular enough to run 20 years if that many fans hate it. (his BW characterization could easily qualify since for exaggerating his negatives such that XY put a lot of effort into reversing that.)
As it stands, the list of reasons for his Scrappydom ignores his successes (the leagues are the only place he has constantly failed) and exaggerates issue that seem like nitpicks (why is his "abandoning" Pokémon bad, the "without merit" stuff only happened 1st season, the bikes are tiny details compared to everything). And why does his taking "the place of Red in people's minds" hurt the anime's quality?
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Should the Virgil be deleted or moved to a different page, since the example itself outright admits the Japanese audience likes him pretty well.
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Americans Hate Tingle examples still quality for scrappydom, rewire his examples so the acknowledgment is a Repair Dont Respond, ideally with a theory/explanation for the difference in popularity.
Uh, I'm pretty sure Americans Hate Tingle examples are automatically excluded from The Scrappy, since Scrappies have to be hated everywhere, not just in a particular part of the world. (And some AHT examples are really, "This person is a Base-Breaking Character outside their home country," as opposed to being unanimously hated outside said home country.) That being said, I'm not familiar with this particular case, so I don't know where it goes.
Edited by katethegr8 To trope, or not to trope...that is the question.
Shouldn't Zigzagoon be added here for being a very common Pokémon on the Wonder Trade, and for being a Com Mon?
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Well, no, unless he's disliked because of that. The Scrappy is about the dislike, not the reasons for it.
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Does Scott really qualify? I haven't seen much hatred for him online like I have for Geeta or (to an extent) Juan. In-game, he doesn't seem to do much that's particularly annoying or inconvenient; he even occasionally gives you useful items.
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