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It's badly outdated and, as noted elsewhere in this discussion, falls into biased real-life troping. It needs a cleanup badly.

That's a lot of "sometimes" in one sentence. But otherwise a fairly good addition.

Gotta ask here.

Those Wacky Nazis: I think those are the ones who were nazis in deviantart too.

I’ll amend the Nazi entry:

• Those Wacky Nazis: An alarming number of Nazi sympathisers and open Nazis are on this site. You can find them if you search for ‘Traditional European’—most posts you see will probably be by Nazis. If you see some declaration about being non-PC, you’ve struck Nazi gold. Expect a lot of pictures of folk European traditions, white girls who may or may not be naked (or dressed in national costumes), and half-baked ideas about race relations.

Please post that to the thread that Logo P linked.

"This includes wearing dreadlocks or bindis by white people. While the former have been worn by peoples from India all the way to Africa (and, by extention, the Caribbeans)"

I posted in the thread above about this, but this was a poor addition. Not the "cultural appropriation as Berserk Button" thing, which is a valid example on its own, but this specific bit about dreadlocs (because 1.) the major criticism has nothing to do with just stealing a look but goes much deeper and more understandable and 2.) the Indian hairstyle referenced is not actually the same hairstyle as modern black "Dreadlocs" - see above comment for details on why)

Also, a misspelling: it should be "extension". Not "extention".

You could write up a more neutral copy of the article in Sandbox.Tumblr.

I just did that. I'm currently editing and changing the examples, such as removing the more politically charged examples and tropes.

Once you are done with it, post the rewrite here.

Should I keep the YMMV page as is, or give that page its own sandbox?

Maybe. The Example Indentation needs some scrubbing.

I added a section to the description addressing the "Social Justice" community on Tumblr in the most neutral way possible, because people would probably question why that part of the site was only mentioned once briefly, since it's quite a large part of the site. Here's a link to the sandbox: Tumblr

Speaking of "against certain ideologies...", wow. This section:

"Cultural reappropriation, for a lot of SJ Ws. This includes wearing dreadlocks or bindis by white people."

Okay so far so good...ish? Mind you, "SJW" is not necessarily a neutral term (yes, some tumblr users actually use it but many do NOT, even in actual self-described "social justice" circles, because they know it originated as an insult). That aside, it's not a terrible example, since this is an example of Berserk Button and it's not inaccurate to say that self-described "social justice" folks are severely bothered by cultural appropriation...however. Then we get to the rather unnecessary and turns out at least halfway inaccurate elaboration (which has a misspelling, btw):

" While the former have been worn by peoples from India all the way to Africa (and, by extention, the Caribbeans) and bindis are now worn throughout the entire Indian subcontinent regardless of age, sex, or creed, SJ Ws often point out that people from the cultures dreadlocks and bindis originated in face far harsher consequences (being deemed ‘unprofessional’ or prone to racist remarks) compared to white people doing it."

- and then the "compared to white people doing it" pothole links to Double Standard. Which makes the whole reference to the cultural-appropriation-as-Berserk Button thing feel like it's been co-opted to rant about "SJ Ws" which is, you know...not particularly neutral-sounding (and also: ironic. Does someone have SJ Ws as a Berserk Button perhaps? pft). But anyway, all that aside, it's frustrating to not be able to edit that because...it's overly long (the first sentence is all that's really needed), it's got at least one factual inaccuracy in it (I'll cover that momentarily) and that is in addition to the misspelling. I can't even fix the misspelling with it locked, though.

As for the factual error? Well...

I actually finally got an explanation for why the dreadlocs thing is a big deal...and oh my, it's actually kinda valid? Contrary to the description above, and in fact the actual truth on some of this contradicts the above. Like sure the bindi thing...eh, complicated. But dreadlocs? Apparently not so much.

See, unless you have what is called "afro-textured" hair it's not a "dreadloc"...it's just glued-together hair. Natural "afro-textured" hair, which is 3c-4c type (which means it's super curly, among other things), actually will "lock" together when clean and well-moisturized, if given the appropriate twisting motion.

Which means a.) not everybody's hair can do it and b.) those whose hair can naturally do this have to keep it clean and well cared for to do it. With me so far? Cool.

Here's the problem: what white and other non-black people do to their hair to SIMULATE what dreadlocs from a black person look like? Is NOT the same thing (obviously, since their hair isn't the natural texture to accommodate it), and...is pretty disgusting in a lot of cases, since it involves gluing the hair or letting it mat together. In fact, in order to hold together, the crap has to stay in it - so they end up not washing their hair, often for months at a time. Which is...gross? (Can we agree that's kinda gross to do deliberately?)

Hence, the major criticism of white people "stealing" the look is not "omg! racism to steal look!" so much as that because they cannot do it naturally, and have to abuse and not wash their hair to even come close to the look? Dreadlocs - the real ones - have developed an unfair reputation as being a "dirty" hairstyle that results from not washing your dang hair...and thus people with them get unfairly treated as if they're disgusting unwashed primitives. Which they're obviously not, because if they were, they wouldn't be able to keep their (real) dreadlocs intact. Which you have to admit kinda sucks for those with actual dreadlocs...?

Also, the commonly-cited "fact" that people in India did the "same" thing as modern black people's dreadlocs, is inaccurate. The hairstyle in question involved putting a mixture of ash and some other gunk in the hair - because, again, they didn't have hair that would do it naturally without help. Again, if you have afro-textured hair you don't need to put crap in your hair or leave it unwashed, because your hair doesn't need it to do the trick.

Soooo yeah. White people wearing so-called "dreads" is indeed a Berserk Button for social justice folks in large numbers. I'll eagerly agree. But the rest of that paragraph? That unnecessary to the example paragraph? Really should be kicked to the curb.

Long comment I know - but there was a lot to address there.

Please read the advice below.

That's not really a Berserk Button.

Nah, it shouldn't. That said, I can't see much politics here either.

What?

Basically boils down to irrational misuse of He Who Fights Monsters like, saying, claiming internet whiners are as bad as homophobes. Suffice to say, it's a fallacy very frequently used by bigots.

I think that is fair.

Nothing wrong with that.

You'll have to ask here.

...If all you do is feel that there are a lot of Entitle Bastards, then you are sheltered. I'll admit, I tend to surf controversial topics so I'm probably exposed to more, but yes. They're everywhere. And fandom name? The memes that combine them can be either the most hilarious or creepiest ever.

I don't feel that. I'm a regular user. It just surprises me how vocal the truly Entitled Bastards of people are, it does make it seem more common.

Creators don't get YMMV tabs anymore. See Creator Page Guidelines.

You are absolutely correct. Also, my overuse of tumblr has led me to expect all blue boxes full of text to expand when I click them. Oops.

I cut the line about Ke$ha as it seems to have been orphaned after the removal of another line. Also removed a four-bullet natter thread.