Discussion Main / StayInTheKitchen

Sad part is, there are some jerks in our society today who still hold this bogus philosophy!

I noticed a variation in some media (Dragon Ball Z: Return of Freeza and Ultra Galaxy Fight) where an Action Girl receives one of this in the form of "You can't participate of the main action because someone must take care of the civilians"

Can the trope cover instances where someone ridicules a woman for being physically strong or for just looking masculine?

• Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney:
  • Godot, in the third game of the series, spends most of the game hating Phoenix for not protecting Mia, with whom Godot had been in love, never mind that she was stronger and more capable than Phoenix was at that point, and there probably wasn't much that Phoenix could have done about the situation. In the end, he forgives Phoenix — not because he realizes that the woman in question was responsible for her own life, but because he realizes that he was angry at himself the whole time for not being able to protect her, and was trying to blame Phoenix to avoid admitting that, and the entire thing could have been avoided if Godot had just let Pearl and Maya in on the plan to begin with, thus making sure Dahlia was never channeled to begin with. His opinion of most of the younger Fey line seems to be fairly low.

This is less about him thinking Mia is weak or his attitude towars women and more Survivor's Guilt meets Psychological Projection. His actual attitude towards Mia, which we see in the flashback case is as far away from this trope as i gets.

• A more blatant example would be him telling Franziska to go away during the investigation, his implication being that it was "men's work" through his openly insulting language related to her gender. While he was in the right to get her to leave as she was in the process of being relieved and he could be forgiven for being abrasive due to her own aggression to him, the gendered language plants it firmly in this trope. However, no one else in the series implies that law or detective work is the realm of men, and throughout the series women are depicted as serving every conceivable position in law. The opinion is clearly Godot's alone. Nobody ever calls him on it however, and Franziska, despite being an overall violent individual who resorts to whipping people that enrage her, does not retaliate.
• Well not against Godot at least, who leaves before she gets her tongue back (and seems to intimidate her in general). Phoenix gets a whipping, just for being present and in range.

Godot said "big boys", meaning it wasn't really about Franziska being a girl but about her being a teenager. This is supported by him calling her "filly", withc is about a young woman. He does say "i can't stand women like you", but, well, neither do i. As they say Karma is a bitch.

• In one story in Miles Edgeworth: Ace Attorney Investigations, Detective Gumshoe is called in to help guard a museum's most valuable painting. One of the employees is Monet, the curator's teenage niece. She promises to do everything she can to help guard the painting, only for Gumshoe to panic and tell her that the situation is too dangerous "for a girl". When she tells him that she's a black belt though, he is fine with her helping out. Later, after Edgeworth joins in the investigation, Monet offers to stand guard at the only exit, to keep the culprit from sneaking out. Edgeworth gives the same argument Gumshoe did (that it's too dangerous a job for a woman), but also lets her go ahead after Gumshoe tells about her blackbelt.

Taken at face value it's again Monet being a teenager, rather than just a girl. I don't remember this specific case, as far as i know it doesn't exist, but it's still questionable, and the fact that when she shows to be competent they let her stay, shows that it's not really a sexism.

I find it hard to believe that the trope namer of "stay in the kitchen" is an obscure Japanese pornographic video game. Anyone has any evidence for or against such a claim?

This trope's name is about as needlessly unfitting & misleading as Meganekko. The description even calls in nonindicative.

Not sure why Saikano was on here without having more context. The entire conflict is based around Chise just straight up becoming a living weapon against her will. Is there something that suggests women should not want this, as opposed to just any person on earth?

It seems to me that these to examples from the Real Life section are redundant, and I think they ought to be merged:

• Nazi Germany was well known for this. In fact, the famous German phrase "Kinder, Küche, Kirche" (translated as "children, kitchen, church") is often attributed to the Nazi Party.
• East Germany was a thoroughly repressive, Orwellian police state run by Communist overlords. Yet it also had ample opportunities for career-minded women and a robust platform of social services to help them, utterly trouncing the conservative West Germany of the 1950s. It's almost like the Communists were deliberately trying to spite the former, ultraconservative regime. Post-unificaton, many people pointed out the new, "liberal" attitudes were a step backwards for the east, particularly obvious when the pre-war 'Kinder, Kirche, Küche'^note meaning Children, Church, Kitchen', the "appropriate domains" for women slogan reappeared to discourage women from continuing to work.

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