I question the assertion on the page that Sociopathic Heroes exist in real life.
While in fiction, one can create a show like Dexter in which the title character is supposedly both sociopathic and an Anti-Hero (he clearly has a conscience, evident even in the inner dialogue he gives, so is not sociopathic; whether he is a hero— even an antihero— depends on one's perspective on ends justifying the means), and the show certainly can be entertaining; but the identification as a Sociopath inaccurate.
Given that a Sociopath will never, ever self-sacrifice, lacking both a conscience and empathy, I would argue that a real Sociopath will never behave in a heroic way.
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Well, a sociopathic hero can exist in real life, and they can help others, but *never* in a selfless way. A good example of this is a surgeon who happens to be a sociopath. Yes, he will save the lifes of dozens of people, but only because he will get a good amount of bucks upon doing so. That, or fame. Basically, every Sociopathic Hero in Real Life crosses over with Nominal Hero by default.
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Aren't there any Western Animation examples?
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If an Action Girl is a Socipathic Hero, does that make her a regular Action Girl or a Dark Action Girl? I am asking because under Black Magician Girl, it says that an exaggerated Black Magician Girl would be a Dark Action Girl, but the example also hyperlinks to Sociopathic Hero.
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Bayonetta really shouldn't be listed on this page. She cares for Cereza despite really not having to and goes to rescue Jeanne from Hell despite that leading her on a miserable journey and to her knowledge not gaining anything from it. On the few occasions innocents are in danger from her rampages, she tries to protect them. She does fight angels, but not only does she have to, the angels are Smug Snake Jerkasses and prime examples of Light Is Not Good. (Their God wants to destroy the world) Who wouldn't want them dead?
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I've noticed on the character pages for Monster and Touhou that Wolfgang Grimmer and Marisa are listed as Sociopathic Heroes yet their not put on this page.
Should this be changed? Does the trope really fit them, or is it something else?
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Well, Grimmer has a fundamental lack of empathy but he's unambiguously heroic. He's a sociopath, and a hero, but doesn't seem like a Sociopathic Hero per this page's description.
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A sociopath and a hero but not necessarily a Sociopathic Hero? Sounds rather complicated. :p
Monster and Touhou are some of my favorite things recently and I would have to say Grimmer does kind of fit, but Marisa's description saying she simply likes to "fight a little too much" makes her sound more like a anti-heroic blood knight. :p
I thought one of the descriptions for a sociopath was also a lack of emotion though? o.O I think...
"Hell exists not to punish sinners, but to ensure that nobody sins in the first place." - Eikishiki Yamaxanadu (Touhou)
The thing about Grimmer is he's a sociopath (as in he doesn't feel emotion), but he's still unambiguously "good." If you look at his entry on the Characters.Monster page it says that he's literally a Sociopathic Hero, and whenever an entry feels the need to say someone is "literally" an example it usually means "this character isn't actually an example of the trope, but we're listing them anyway because he sounds like he would be."
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I'm seeing a problem here. The trope description establishes that a Sociopathic Hero has no empathy and a disregard for human life. Too many of the examples listed do not fit; Huntress, for instance, may not mind killing bad guys, but she certainly does care about the lives of innocents. That's what we might call more of a selective empathy, which she reserves for those she thinks deserve it.
Sherlock's on here, and that's good, but how about including this exchange:
"MORIARTY: Sherlock, your big brother and all the King's horses couldn't make me do a thing I didn't want to. HOLMES: Yes, but I'm not my brother, remember? I am you. Prepared to do anything. Prepared to burn. Prepared to do what ordinary people won't do. You want me to shake hands with you in hell? I shall not disappoint you. MORIARTY: Nah — you talk big. Nah... you're ordinary. You're ordinary — you're on the side of the angels. HOLMES: Oh, I may be on the side of the angels... but don't think for one second that I am one of them."
Very to the point, the last line is the definition of the trope, almost verbatim.
Should Belkar be on this page, given that he is also the illustrating example of Heroic Comedic Sociopath?
"truly inhuman nature"? Sociopaths aren't evil or inhuman. Could someone change it, even change the name or just the way its phrased to make it clear that you aren't calling people who are born without empathy (and can still be good people) "inhuman" cause that's not a good thing to do.