Discussion Main / RapeIsASpecialKindOfEvil

Why is this locked? There's something that seriously needs an edit, the entry for A Song of Ice and Fire says Tyrion is a "chivalrous pervert" who would not rape, but he rapes a slave in the fifth book, and he frequents brothels where girls are forced to work.

The entry for Drowtales contains a link that currently leads nowhere. This should be the page it was trying to point at: https://www.drowtales.com/moonless-age/5430

To the Music section: "Janie's Got a Gun", from Aerosmith's album Pump. About a girl who got vigilante justice on her sexually abusive father.

And also, what about I Spit on Your Grave? The female protagonist was raped, and because of that she tortures their rapists in the evilest ways possible without losing the empathy from the audience, since what they did to her was way worse apparently. And I think, not even if she raped them herself (or make them rape each other) she would lose our sympathy.

Hi, can I add real life responses from the audience? To make myself clear in two examples:

In the anime Shield Hero, the protagonist is falsely accused of rape, the characters treat him as the worst type of person afterwards, but the thing is, that it received a huge criticism from some people in the western because of that. If she had framed him for any other type of crime, the audience wouldn't be that shocked.

Another example is Kaifuku, in this anime the protagonist tortures and rapes a bitch for revenge, but the scene was fetishized and glorified, so, this trope was averted In-Universe. But some people from the real world became disgusted to how "the anime treated rape" (not the majority but even so). Despite the protagonist torturing her in even more brutal ways than rape, the 'rape' aspect was heavily focused by the Moral Guardians, if the protagonist just kept breaking her fingers and set her on fire, nobody would complain.

As you see, the works themselves don't seem to play the trope that much, but the audience played.

I think we should add the example from the animated film version of Fritz the Cat, where Fritz tries and fails to prevent the gang rape of Harriet, then comforts her afterward. It's one of the few moments where Fritz, who is a seedy character himself, is empathetic toward someone else. The fact that this is contrary to his character in the original comic, who commits multiple rapes himself (though in nowhere near as graphic situations as the one depicted in the film), can also be mentioned.

Interesting Subversion on the Dean Koontz page might perhaps be added. Victor Frankenstein's rape of his created "wife" is rightfully treated as a horrific indicator of just how evil he is; he also wants to take over the world. But his clone, in the later novels, levels up to Omnicidal Maniac—and in so doing, transcends the desires for both sex and personal power. He has himself castrated to ensure he won't be tempted by the former.

You know what, should we add Showgirls and Andrew Carver? I think that's a good one, and I can't personally add it because all Rape and Sexual Harassment pages are locked from normal user input by default.

Should there be a mention of how some Hentais or pornographic works wrongly treat rape as "pleasurable" and "non-consequential"?

Does anyone think that this page is starting to get a sort of creepy, Unfortunate Implications feel to it?

Was hoping that in the Nippon Ichi section that Witch and the Hundred Knight be added specifically the Wham Episode of Totopepe. Could the page be unlocked for this example?

Problem with the page. Anybody else read this page and think some of its entrie come off as being argumentative or trying discredit the idea the rape is a special kind of evil. Is this not a problem? This Page is describing a trope as it exists in fiction, its not here for people to try to argue their personal views on. I know this was touched on above, but as the page is the issue is still present. Ant as such does not present the trope well at all.

Also the intro says

" Many stories and Crapsack Worlds have Complete Monsters who don't commit rape, even though everything about their character indicates they could, would, or should"

Should is a pretty odd assumption for any character that has not committed any sexual crimes. I think this page needs to be looked over by someone with experience and a nice neutral view of the trope.

Here's a question I would like to pose to you all about the statute of limitations on rape in Real Life...if murder has no statute of limitations, Rape Is a Special Kind of Evil and rape is considered to be far worse than murder by a number of people, then why would rape have a statute of limitations?

Shouldn't Kick-ass 2 be on these page? Just think of it: bad guys naturally slaughter pre-school children, a dog, and a dozen of cops. They decapitate an old man and place his dog's head on his shoulders. And all these stuff is depicted right on the pages. Then Motherfucker is going to rape Kick-ass's girlfriend, and the scene fades out. Millar doesn't hesitate to show kids shot in their faces, but the rape is such a bad thing that it's offscreen. As it fades back in, a minion says they have gone too far with these one. Think of it, that's a supervillain minion who was OK with kids'n'dogs killing.

I think Kickass 2 is a quintessential example of these trope, both in- and out-universe.

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Note to those who can edit this page: When you get a sec, the phrase is "woe betide", not "woe betides".

Considering an example from Dexter, I'd say there's a huge difference between "rape is a special kind of evil" and "abducting and keeping girls locked for months, constantly torturing and raping them in every way imaginable, then killing them, stashing into a can and dumping in the swamp is a special kind of evil". The latter is definitely a special kind of evil. And that's what happened in Dexter. One can assume Dexter stumbled upon quite a few rapists while working with Police, not to mention his extracurricular activities, and he didn't seek to murder everyone who ever raped anybody. Different things.

In the recent 10 year Firefly reunion special "Browncoats Unite!", They revealed a secret about Inara Serra, the courtesan's big needle in the box. What it does is when she injects it into herself, and anyone who forces themselves on her drops dead. Apparently there was a proposed plot line (actually very early on in the show) that Inara was going to be abducted by Reavers. Mal goes through his trademarked Big Damn Hero routine to save her, and when he gets on the Reaver ship and finally finds her, She's huddled in the corner with AN ENTIRE ROOM of dead Reavers.

As a nice little meta example, the producers felt that this would've taken the show in too dark a place too fast.

Since the page is locked, could someone please add this extract from John Grisham's A Time To Kill, during Jake Brigance's closing argument:

"He talked about rape for a while, and explained how rape is much worse than murder. With murder, the victim is gone, and not forced to deal with what happened to her. The family must deal with it, but not the victim. But rape is much worse. The victim has a lifetime of coping, of trying to understand, of asking questions, and, the worst part, of knowing the rapist is still alive and may someday escape or be released. Every hour of every day, the victim thinks of the rape and asks herself a thousand questions. She relives it, step by step, minute by minute, and it hurts just as bad."

Could someone with editing rights for this article please add the claim of Cyrus the virus (Con Air), that he "killed more people then cancer"?

Could The Godfather count as a possible aversion? In the beginning of the film, when Don Corleone is hearing requests, the first man asks him to kill two men who raped and assaulted his daughter and got off on a suspended sentence. Vito refuses at first, saying that murder would not be just, as the man's daughter was still alive. He eventually relents, but this still raises an eyebrow.

Removed this:

• The book and movie A Clockwork Orange have almost identical plots, but are markedly different in tone. In the book, Alex is portrayed as a despicable villain, but the film adaptation turns the story into a Reactionary Fantasy with a Villain Protagonist. Although he is still a murderous thug, the filmmakers do change one of his most shocking scenes. In the movie version, Alex has consensual sex with a couple of girls his own age. In the book, the girls are eleven, and the sex is definitely not consensual.
  • Well, he still rapes the writer's wife in the film, so it would be more like "Pedophilia is a special kind of evil".
    • Nope, it's the rape issue, as while Alex is older than the two girls, he's only just 14 years of age at the time of his arrest for murder, so the pedophilia point is arguable.

The points made are off-base. Both the book and the film are reactionary fantasies with villain protagonists. The difference in tone is Kubrick's inclusion of dark comedy. Alex is a serial rapist in both versions, and this fact is never given any more weight over his various other crimes. In fact, it's the murder of the widow, not the rape of the author's wife, that actually seems to weigh heaviest against Alex. In the film, he's visibly shaken by the deed.

Removed:

• Perdido Street Station is an entire plot point. Yagharek the Garuda vehemently says that he is the lowest of the low for "removing the choice of another individual" or something like that. For this crime, he had his wings brutally sawed off, and so he goes to Isaac to make Yag fly again. Despite Yag telling Isaac that he was the lowest of the low, Isaac is thrilled at the prospect of making artificial wings that operate under the user's own power (though granted, Yag was never clear on what exactly was the crime he had committed), and agreed to assist the Garuda. It's not until the end of the book where we learn that the crime Yag had done was rape his friend's betrothed, and in learning this Isaac is understandably disgusted and refused to help Yag any further.
  • This hits particularly close to home for Isaac, as The Reveal comes almost immediately after he "rescues" his lover Lin from Mr. Motley, with severe bruises indicating she was rather brutally raped in captivity. As such, Your Mileage May Vary on whether this is intended more as commentary on rape generally or as a specific reflection of Isaac's character.
  • It is actually averted in this case, as under the rather alien morality of the Garuda, rape, whilst a serious crime with a severe penalty is no worse than any other serious crime of choice theft in the first degree with disrespect. No other such crimes are listed however. Murder may be presumed to be far more serious as it removes all choices from the victim, forever. Isaac is rebuked for viewing the situation through the lens of his own morality.

I don't think this is a good example. Isaac takes the case because "choice theft" is gibberish to him, and he apparently think it was some Blue-and-Orange Morality issue. When he finds out that the crime was something he considers to be terrible, and has to look into the eyes of the victim, he's understably sobered. This would have worked with any serious crime. The fact that it was rape was incidental.

"Tyrion's primary reason for hating his father: the fact that Twyin let his entire garrison rape Tyrion's wife Tysha, then forced Tyrion to do so as well.

• Well.... Shea was a professional, and was paid for both the marriage and the entertainment of the garrison. Rape? Maybe, but more like a command performance. It's more complicated than simply rape. And Tyrion's daddy issues have much, much deeper roots than this. "

It's a long, long time since I read the books, but last I heard was that fans were theorising some completely different character was Tysha. I think Tyrion would have noticed if Shae was Tysha....

• In Freezing, this trope is the reason why Louis L. Bridgette is a Complete Monster. And the reason why many fans Rage Quit the manga in indignation when the author had Louis make a cheap Heel–Face Turn.

If i understood well, this manga NOT treats rape as a special type of evil

Should we mention how this almost never applies if the perpetrator is female or the victim is male as mentioned on the double standards page?

Considering the varying opinions on Dominic Deegan, would it be all right for me to add an entry on how the webcomic averted this trope by the instance of how the character Stonewater raped Melna when they were adolescents to save her life (explained a bit more under the webcomics section of Rape Is Love), and is not considered an irredeemable villian by the narrative?

It's also been quite a while since I read that part, so if someone else could help me clarify or re-examine that bit to better understand how it relates to this trope, that'd be great.

Also Sprach Odin: I'm not sure the Tiberium Wars example fits: The Nod military is quite vicious and use terrorist tactics, as far as I understand, but they believe in a cause, and they consider themselves soldiers rather than murderers. Do we really want to start a discussion about whether soldiers like these are to be considered evil, so that rape can be considered especially evil among them?