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zarpaulus Since: Jan, 2001
Apr 2nd 2024 at 12:29:54 PM •••

Why did the Anime and Manga examples get moved back to the main page?

Daviddv0601 Since: Dec, 2018
Jan 11th 2019 at 7:59:55 AM •••

Eren Yeager from Attack on Titan should also be added in here since he started out as a hero but slowly turned into a more ruthless, villainous and loathsome version of his former self. Even serving as the main antagonist in one of the later arcs!

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Ferot_Dreadnaught Since: Mar, 2015
Nov 22nd 2019 at 12:17:04 PM •••

What do we do for characters who bounce back and redeem themselves?

CartoonAllStars Since: Jul, 2018
Jul 17th 2023 at 3:31:42 PM •••

Here's my idea for a somewhat inversion to the trope... Villain Protagonist Journey To Hero. Where as the main trope generally revolves around a heroic main character turning into a Villain Protagonist over the course of the story, this trope is all about cases like Megamind... A Villain Protagonist who turns into a hero over the course of the story.

PhoenixFlames Since: Apr, 2015
Apr 23rd 2015 at 5:39:49 AM •••

Sargeras in World of Warcraft (or more generally, the Warcraft universe) is another prime example. His existence as a Titan and the endless conflict between them and the Old Gods eventually made him lose faith and turn him corrupt.

LordGro Since: May, 2010
Dec 21st 2014 at 12:05:34 AM •••

Cut this for Conversation In The Main Page, being 'arguable', and provoking an Edit War. When re-adding, please write the example in a way that asserts it is an example and does not contain self-contradictions. If it isn't an example, then don't add it.

  • Frozen: Played with in "Let It Go", wherein Arendelle Queen Elsa runs away from her kingdom soon after her ice powers are discovered by the public. At which point after hiding in the northern mountain, she decides to live her life alone by building herself an ice palace. It's unclear whether if it's this trope or a case of her transition into a Byronic Heroine.
    • Word of God says it was the former as Elsa was planned to be a villain, but Idina Menzel's performance of Let it Go was considered so good that they changed the plot and it became the latter.

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SeptimusHeap MOD (Edited uphill both ways)
Dec 21st 2014 at 2:00:42 AM •••

For the record, the editor pushing the "Elsa is evil" line in all their edits has been suspended because they seemed to be on an agenda.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
LordGro Since: May, 2010
Dec 21st 2014 at 3:30:22 AM •••

Thanks, I noticed the ATT post afterwards.

Let's just say and leave it at that.
duckofdeath Since: Jun, 2010
Jul 3rd 2012 at 8:01:50 PM •••

Wouldn't Harvey dent's line from The Dark Knight (You either die a hero or you live long enough to see yourself become the villain) be a better page quote?

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