Discussion Main / PostGrunge

Why is Halestorm listed on here? Maybe I don't understand the definition of post-grunge but I associate it with droning/monotone vocals or the Perishing Alt-Rock Voice and a lot of angst or wangst, whereas Halestorm I associate with fast-paced energy, catchy tunes, Metal Scream and lyrics of the "FUCK YEAH, I'M SO BADASS!" variety that I wouldn't normally call wangsty or apathetic in tone. Also, they got big in the New Tens (first album 2009) and are still going strong today, whereas post-grunge got big in the late 90s/early 2000s and died in the new tens. Sure, they've collabed with a few post-grunge bands, but they've also collabed with people like Dee Snider and their choices of covers are along the lines of Whitesnake, Guns N Roses, and Skid Row (which Lzzy now fronts, and her singing style was always closer to Sebastian Bach than any post-grunge singer), I'd have put them firmly into the old-school straightforward hard rock category with the exception of a few songs.

Also The Pretty Reckless might have started out as post-grunge but they've got several songs on their newest album that sound more like blues rock, country rock, Southern rock, or straight-up hard rock? Some reviewers compared "Witches Burn" to Danzig and I sure as fuck wouldn't call Danzig post-grunge. Like, there's obvious grunge influences, strong Chris Cornell influences on several tracks, but...

I guess what I'm asking is, is any hard rock from later than 1997 going to be labelled as post-grunge forever? Is anything that was influenced by grunge post-grunge no matter what other influences it has/even if it's not a direct imitator and the singer doesn't copy the singing style or appearance of a famous grunge singer? Like, where do we draw the line—especially as post-grunge is often seen as a derogatory term for a no-longer-popular style of music that implies "some guy is droning on and on about how miserable he is while styling himself to look like a Kurt Cobain cosplayer"?

So, after watching Todd in the Shadows' review for Evan And Jaron's "Crazy For This Girl", the term "Minivan Rock" seems to best describe the song, alongside others from 1997 to 2003, the same era where Post-Grunge is. Does "Minivan Rock" count as a subset of Post-Grunge, or is it a separate collective genre?