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AmourLeFou You'll never find out who I am Since: Apr, 2021
You'll never find out who I am
Feb 17th 2022 at 8:33:58 PM •••

I disagree about Willing Suspension of Disbelief being this trope's sworn enemy. No Fourth Wall characters can't really see and hear us — we just pretend they can. So No Fourth Wall actually requires a Willing Suspension of Disbelief. If you actually believe they can see and hear you just because there's No Fourth Wall, then you're just stupid.

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AmourLeFou You'll never find out who I am Since: Apr, 2021
You'll never find out who I am
Feb 11th 2022 at 3:51:47 PM •••

This is just aversions of Fourth Wall. I don't think averting a trope can be a trope in itself.

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AmourLeFou Since: Apr, 2021
Feb 17th 2022 at 8:26:15 PM •••

Ok, I took it to Trope Talk and they convinced me that averting a trope can be a trope in itself.

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SeptimusHeap MOD (Edited uphill both ways)
Mar 20th 2021 at 9:39:31 AM •••

Previous Trope Repair Shop thread: Misused, started by ShinyCottonCandy on Sep 17th 2016 at 12:30:09 AM

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
64SuperNintendo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
Mar 14th 2014 at 10:16:50 PM •••

This article needs a cleanup, IMO.

The Laconic page says: "Breaking the Fourth Wall so often it might as well not be there at all." However, there seems to be a lot of examples that are just the character looking in the general direction of the camera (which is already covered in Aside Glance) or a character looking at the camera as they say something, even if they're not specifically addressing the audience.

I'm just asking if these are good examples or not, so I can be sure on whether or not I should delete these when I see them.

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SeptimusHeap MOD (Edited uphill both ways)
Mar 15th 2014 at 2:43:10 AM •••

I am not intimately familiar with this trope, but this forum discussion might assist you there.

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rickmbari Since: Dec, 1969
Feb 14th 2012 at 1:09:03 PM •••

never mind. Should havebeen posted in YKKTW.

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69.226.246.66 Since: Dec, 1969
Aug 20th 2010 at 11:55:51 PM •••

Here's a question. How would you classify a piece of media where if the fourth wall breaks were removed, it would feel worse but the plot would not be significantly changed? Some examples of this in between area would be Pokemon and Professor Layton. In those games, the fourth wall breaks do not quite reach the no fourth wall but their absence would be very noticeable and people would complain.

blackcat MOD Since: Apr, 2009
Jul 13th 2010 at 7:20:57 AM •••

I think that the ginormous quote in the Fanfic section is way way way too much. If it were a published piece we would be on the edge of copyright infringement by quoting that much. Why not just link to it?

Useful Since: Dec, 1969
Apr 30th 2010 at 12:04:02 PM •••

This needs to be cleaned up. At least three or four of the entries need to be removed, and that's just in the Anime/Manga section. These examples generally need to be moved to Breaking the Fourth Wall, as they don't meet the essential criterion of "would be totally different without 4th Wall abuse".

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SomeGuy Since: Jan, 2001
Apr 30th 2010 at 12:22:14 PM •••

Moving them is redundant, as many of them were already on the page for Breaking the Fourth Wall.

Anyway, I cut a lot of examples, as well as the page quote and page picture (as both only indicated breaking the fourth wall, not that the wall doesn't even exist). It wouldn't surprise me to learn that there are more inaccurate examples left that I didn't cut- feel free to take any out that you feel don't meet the trope's setting criteria.

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Useful Since: Dec, 1969
Apr 30th 2010 at 12:04:06 PM •••

Sorry, duplicate topic

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