Discussion Main / LordBritishPostulate

The title of this could probably be improved. I would argue that the current one is a reference to something too obscure, and does not make sense to the average reader.

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• Final Fantasy XI has the ostensibly killable Absolute Virtue, which does in fact have death animations, text, and very valuable (and exclusive) drops... but every time it's been killed so far, Square Enix respond with something along the lines of "No, that's not how you kill it" and patch it. Sometimes they ban the players who killed it, too.
  • Also notable is the actually newsworthy superboss Pandemonium Warden. When it was first patched into the game, it was deemed truly unkillable, and one linkshell group spent 18 consecutive hours in a single fight against it and could not continue. Since then, SE patched it to make it actually very possible to kill, but it is still comparable to Absolute Virtue in difficulty.
  • Part of SE's "fix" was to cause Pandemonium Warden and Absolute Virtue to despawn after so long, preventing the 18 hour long fights that nearly hospitalized some. PW will despawn two hours after being spawned. Absolute Virtue only spawns after killing the Jailer of Love NM, so AV despawns two hours after the Jailer of Love is spawned. This is particularly troublesome as one of the greatest obstacles to killing AV is its insane health regeneration, which can be mitigated by killing a lot of JoL's pets. This basically means to have any shot of dealing enough damage to override the health regeneration, you have to keep JoL alive so long you have less than 90 minutes to kill AV.
    • Note that Absolute Virtue originally came about when the level cap was 75. The level cap is now 99, and it's still insanely hard to kill, though much more possible than previously. No, they didn't make it harder at any point.
  • Of course, there is an intended way to kill Absolute Virtue, he's not impossible to defeat. However, the method will not be described here.
    • Said method, after being revealed by the dev team, was then declared "Cheating" and also removed.

because "creature that's supposed to be killable but it's really hard to figure out how" isn't the trope.

Does it count if you can only kill them with Good Bad Bugs?

• Some players like to take this to the next level, and kill entire species. This is easy for most monsters, as almost any monster that is created 120 times^note 3 for the Erinyes, 9 for the Naz'gul, and never for the Keystone Kops is considered extinct by the game, and will never be randomly generated again. You'd think this wouldn't apply to unique monsters— by definition, they are created only once, yes? But in fact, a monster that is brought back somehow counts as a new monster for extinction purposes. Stoning and unstoning a monster counts. For monsters that resist stoning, a wand of undead turning will resurrect the monster. For those few stone-resistant monsters that leave no corpse, an Amulet of Life Saving will also increase the extinction counter^note gathering 120 of an already-rare item for each unique monster is an exercise in madness, but can be done— by invoking Wizard Mode, if nothing else. But there is one monster, Juiblex, who is unique, stone-resistant, leaves no corpse, and will never pick up an amulet (because he has no neck to wear it on)... but even he can be made extinct, if you let him engulf you and drop the amulet in his belly, then cast slow or speed monster on him to (somehow) make him wear it; a technique which was discovered only in June 2012, when the last update to the game was December 2003. Extinctionists take their job seriously.

This was a wall of text and way too much information. I cut it down to a more reasonable level. It's a damn complex game and that was a ton of explanation for the idea of "this guy shouldn't be re-killable by any means, players figured it out".

Do non-combat challenges that are supposed to be impossible to beat (e.g. Five Nights At Freddie's 4-20 mode) go here, someplace else, or nowhere at all?

Could the name for this trope possibly be derived from one of the older Ultima games, in which Lord British was invulnerable, but could be killed by putting something on top of a door and having him open it? If so, that might be neat to mention in the description, if not the examples.