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CloverGoldngreen Since: Jan, 2011
Aug 1st 2022 at 12:43:24 PM •••

Does anyone else actually prefer a disappointing explanation over no explanation at all? Maybe it's because I'm on the spectrum. But I can only handle so much being left to the imagination.

Mariofan99 Since: Jun, 2021
Oct 10th 2021 at 6:25:09 AM •••

Can Lusamine’s backstory in Pokémon Sun and Moon really count as an example? I don’t like it myself but everything else in this page gives me the impression that this trope is about explanations presented in SUBSEQUENT installments.

If stuff explained in the same installment is viable there needs to be more Ace Attorney examples given about 1/4 to 1/3 of all cases have instances where fans preferred the red herring over the actual result. (The Killer of DD’s final case comes to mind)

BenjaminAkira PhD student Since: Sep, 2018
PhD student
Feb 25th 2019 at 3:48:32 AM •••

is there a term for "fan dislike of explanation", i.e. when fans don't want something explained, because they felt it was better left a mystery, either because the thing simply didn't require explaining, or because they appreciated the ambiguity?

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Emberfist Since: Nov, 2018
Mar 18th 2019 at 5:15:05 AM •••

That is also on this page. As mentioned some examples such as mido-clorians are from where the fans didn't want an explanation at all.

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Emberfist Supreme Overlord of Luxemburg Since: Nov, 2018
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Mar 17th 2019 at 1:57:24 PM •••

For those who have seem would The Reveal of Fury lost his eye in Captain Marvel count? I mean given how he has talked about it past movies, it seemed to be more serious than a cat scratched his eye. Honestly I think they should kept it ambiguous as any explanation wold be disappointing.

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Silverblade2 Since: Jan, 2013
Sep 27th 2014 at 12:49:39 AM •••

  • A lot of fans didn't like the conclusion to Series 4. It wasn't explained how Rose knew so much about the alternate timeline in "Turn Left", how she appeared on a screen in "Midnight", how Bad Wolf got spread onto the planet in "Turn Left", and the Doctor-Donna felt like another Deus ex Machina.

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Does a lack of explanation counts as a Fan-Disliked Explanation? Complaining about Doctor-Donna being a Deus ex Machina is nitpicking since the show is already full of them. This really seems to be a personal complain about one episode than this trope.

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SeptimusHeap MOD (Edited uphill both ways)
Sep 27th 2014 at 1:33:16 AM •••

Eh, no. I wouldn't count that.

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BenjaminAkira Since: Sep, 2018
Feb 25th 2019 at 7:06:29 PM •••

I guess a lack of explanation doesn't count as a fan-disliked explanation, but there should be a trope for that. Above, I have asked the question, what do we call when fans don't want an explanation at all, i.e. they want things left ambiguous? I feel like there needs to be a supertrope that encompasses all three of these kinds of attitudes towards explanations.

Emberfist Supreme Overlord of Luxemburg Since: Nov, 2018
Supreme Overlord of Luxemburg
Dec 20th 2018 at 11:05:39 AM •••

Star Wars Rebels The episode Ghost Of Geonoisis that ended on hopeful note with revelation that one queen egg survived the the Empire's genocide revealed back in Season 2. However Word of God later confirmed that the queen would become the Geonoisian Queen from the Darth Vader comic which was sterile. One Internet Backdraft later and there was an attempt at a Author's Saving Throw by claiming the tunnels on Geonosis run miles deep so another queen could still be alive but nothing has been released to confirm this is true so the Geonosisan race is doomed to extinction until further notice.

Would this count as an example of a Fan-Disliked Explanation?

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coolman229 Coolman229 Since: May, 2011
Coolman229
Jul 25th 2012 at 8:57:55 PM •••

I just added a rather large section to the Metroid Other M entry. It was rather one-sided, so I felt like explaining it more in-depth. My entry came out a lot longer than I anticipated. I was wondering if we should combine all of the parts into a more streamlined entry that shows the fans anger at Samus' portrayal and the reasons for that portrayal as I stated.

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Marioguy128 Since: Jan, 2010
Jul 27th 2012 at 4:29:30 PM •••

Um, I think you might want to have cut down on that entry some. As it stands right now, it reads like someone who's desperately trying to defend the game, and is sounding a bit like an angry fanboy. I'm pretty sure you could've cut down on that some. I wouldn't disagree with a more streamlined entry for all of that.

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Komodin Since: Jan, 2001
Jul 27th 2012 at 9:10:05 PM •••

Remove the whole entry:

  • Metroid Other M decided it was a good time to go into Samus' history that was vaguely hinted at in Metroid Fusion, trying to explore her past and who Adam Malkovich was to her. Unfortunately, many people's reactions was that it turned Samus into a shell of the woman she's portrayed as otherwise and gives her some really unnecessary attachment issues.
    • This became downright stupid in the infamous Ridley scene, as it would have made a lot more sense to show a flashback to the ravaging of K2L when Samus freezes up (To clarify, Ridley killed her mother and almost killed Samus before Old Bird intervened), rather than show a shot of turning her into a little child (which only makes sense if you've read an obscure manga that was never released outside of Japan) then pulling something about PTSD straight out of nowhere.
    • Metroid Other M had problems with the story (incorrect use of computer terms being the least of them), but the characterization that was used wasn't just out of nowhere. Sure, it got rather goofy and dragged on (due to Samus' English VA poor delivery and long internal soliloquies that could bear to be shortened), but the story was written by Yoshio Sakamoto (who co-created Metroid with the late Gunpei Yokoi). He always imagined Samus with that personality, but many people (mostly Americans) imagined Samus as the stoic badass who didn't fear anything. While Samus is undeniably badass, it wasn't so impossible for her to feel fear. In most of the games Samus got no Character Development at all, except for Metroid Fusion, and even that was minimal. Since Other M is a direct sequel to Super Metroid and is heavily tied into Metroid Fusion, the plot plays on both of those (we know why Ridley was a husk and we get an appearance from Nightmare). Another big disconnect comes from a Values Dissonance between America and Japan on how parents are treated. The Japanese would treat the parents with incredible importance and reverence. This is why Samus is so obedient to Adam (who is pretty explicitly her father figure), not to mention that Samus didn't have any real business on the Bottle Ship in the first place*. Granted, her following Adam's orders was became Honor Before Reason at some points (why didn't Samus activate her Varia Suit to protect her from Sector 3 when it was purely defensive and posed no danger to anyone? No explanation is given), but for the most part her not being able to use her equipment because it was dangerous for anyone else was just an in-game justification to avoid Bag of Spilling. As for her case of Post Traumatic Stress Disorder, people who suffer from it often feel as if they are vividly reliving the traumatic event that caused it in the first place. Samus had thought that she finally killed Ridley in Super Metroid, only to have him pop up and cause all sorts of problems. Samus relived her hometown being destroyed by Ridley and her mother being eaten by him from when she was three years old. It's perfectly acceptable for her to feel like that when the murderer of her mother (and due to his invasion he was indirectly the cause of her father's death, too) suddenly comes back to life, not to mention that he was cloned by The Federation in the first place. But it's also worth noting that her freeze-up lasted all of a few seconds. She got over it and fought Ridley. The manga that gave Samus' backstory and characterization isn't that obscure. This whole outrage is caused by fans who would rather imagine Samus as some sort of robotic soldier rather than the story that was written by the creator of Samus.

Someone who's still invested in this should streamline this entry; it's too gabby and ranty.

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coolman229 Since: May, 2011
Jul 27th 2012 at 9:44:52 PM •••

Sorry. It's hard to hit what makes that game so controversial and still keep things short. I get a little on edge when people just complain about it, so sorry about the rant.

So I tried to point out the flaws in Mako's character... then I was crucified
shimaspawn MOD Since: May, 2010
Jan 5th 2012 at 3:35:46 PM •••

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