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Linking to a past Trope Repair Shop thread that dealt with this page: What?, started by nzm1536 on Jun 12th 2011 at 2:46:22 PM

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman

Previous Trope Repair Shop thread: Misused, started by BonsaiForest on Apr 23rd 2012 at 4:02:20 AM

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman

The problem with this trope page is that it's roughly divided into six types of entries:

• Grimdark entries (whereas we've reached a general consensus that grimdark ≠ deconstruction and deconstructions are not necessarily grimdark).

• People putting their favourite shows so as to be like ‘ZOMG it'z a deconstruction!!1!1one!’

• Straightforward parodies (come on, we all know the difference).

• Genre deconstructions (which belong on their own page).

• No-context examples.

• Actual examples of the trope.

All of the first five (especially 2) are quite misleading as to what this trope actually ‘‘‘is’’’. If an uninitiated visitor comes to this page, they might gain the idea that Haruhi Suzumiya and Naruto are great examples of deconstructions. (The former is postmodern and deconstructs some tropes, but plays a lot of tropes straight, and the latter is just too much of a poster boy for generic mainstream shōnen fighting action series.)

I actually like this page. I don't want it deleted. But it does need a major cleanup.

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Does the Elfen Lied example really count? There's nothing about "having a cute, amnesiac, completely childish girl with no nudity taboos fall in your lap" that would in real life lead to all the Nightmare Fuel and Tear Jerker situations in Elfen Lied.

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Okay, now I'm just confused about the Deconstructor Fleets in general. I think it's hard to understand why a creation is counted as Deconstructor Fleet without doing a small "research" (i.e reading, watching, playing etc) on it. That would be disorienting for non-fans and casual readers of this site.

So can someone explain now?

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I moved this no-context example. I know this is a deconstruction of the knight errant genre, but I've never read it so I can't write the example.

• Don Quixote

Oppression anywhere is a threat to democracy everywhere.

I added an entry for the work of Grant Morrison under comic books. This is my first real edit, so I will be totally not offended if someone wants to expand on, add, or even get rid of, the entry. I believe that it qualifies as Deconstructor Fleet, but I could be wrong.

"Knights Of The Old Republic 2 is a deconstruction of both the Star Wars franchise and Role Playing Games. You don't see too many RPG-s that integrate game mechanics into their plot, resulting in... a main character who grows stronger by killing enemies and taking on challenges (therefore collecting XP)."

Hurr, what? That sounds like EVERY RPG.

There are way to many that are just examples, without explianing WHY they count as Deconstructor Fleets.

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I really don't know if parodies like Scary Movie or Airplane qualify.

Fanfiction I hate.

Okay, this is bugging me a bit... Does Final Fantasy *really* count as a Deconstructor Fleet? Yes, they've deconstructed a fair number of tropes, I'll grant you, but is it really enough to qualify?

Now, I haven't played IX or XII out of the post-SNES era, so maybe there's something in them that I'm missing, but I don't think the others qualify (as decent as they are). So... Yeah. Little help here?

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