Discussion Main / BerserkButton

Mmm, yes, but there's still a lot of misuse, specifically (I haven't studied it in depth, this is a casual impression) character's "berserk button" being listed as "harming their companion". I try to change these to Protectorate (on character page, if available) as I encounter them, most recently here: The Property of Hate

You are completely right. There is a clean-up project for this very problem, which probably needs more muscle.

I think the problem lies in the description line:

This completely clashes with the below line:

Will it help if we added "Unusual" before the trope name? By renaming the trope this way, it could help show that it's not always about stuff that make the character angry.

I believe that this trope needed no repairs in the first place. I would like to point out that there are multiple characters throughout all sources of media who have a distinct wide variety of emotions. Not everyone would have the same type of anger towards one thing while the other person does. For example as one character may hate the fact that someone attacks their siblings or friends but at the same time another character may not care for friends or siblings and may nonchalantly kill them. It shows not everyone has normal emotions as they're as several types of characters who get a pass for the typical Berserk Button. It makes the trope much more complicated and adds on specific things that do not need to be added it was broken before so it doesn't need fixing there have been many Berserk Button tropes being deleted and it doesn't make sense. The fact that if there was something that made a character angry more than ever which is that specific button it should be added and not deleted. Now this is not a diss on your belief on what it should be but your belief in what this trope should be is not all that equal and is not open to other possibilities as all characters are different and what is normal emotion in your eyes may not be normal in someone else's. It's a simple trope and should be simple so I think we should either gain approval to delete this line

"This trope is not about anger in response to something that would reasonably enrage someone, like a loved one being hurt or threatened, being personally insulted, or otherwise treated in a way that's disrespecting, because that is a reasonable response. If you see such an example on the page, or were link here by such an example, please remove it."

or find a way to change it because it doesn't offer an equal opportunity for some characters who don't have the same beliefs as others. And if this trope is to be as difficult and complicated despite being relatively simple as then it shouldn't even be a trope. It is also highly demanding when this should be very easy for someone as they are reading it not to be confused or wondering what they should do with it.

caring about your friends or siblings is normal dude

Put in real life too.

NRLEP is decided by a set voting process carried out in the Real Life section maintenance thread. The item must be up for a minimum amount of time, and it must accumulate at least ten votes in a 2:1 stable ratio. Come take a look at the current crowner if you like.

This only applies to tropes that aren't default NRLEP.

Listing every real person who gets angry at things is not only pointless but also basically Troper Tales. We don't give a crap about it and it is utterly irrelevant to the wiki's mission.

Alright, fair enough, so then wouldn't it be prudent to put the rationale behind NRLEP on the main page instead of making a cute little wiki roleplay at the expense of people knowing why it's there in the first place?

It's listed on No Real Life Examples, Please!.

As much as I like the humor in that part, I agree that it would be a good idea to explain the reason why it's No Real Life Examples Please in the description for people reading it. If we don't want to change that line we could always add a note.

Isn't that usually called a "button pusher"?

I don't know what it's called, and it's not a trope right now.

A Troll?

Alternatively, they're general statements of things which can cause anger (e.g. "A mother gets mad if you harm her kids"). Bring it up in this thread.

I was thinking that very thing. Another example is Charles in Little House on the Prarie "Anyone attempting to harm his wife and children." Who wouldn't get angry at that?

A lot of crime/medical shows have "Violence against women and children" which is pretty normal to me. Doug Ross from ER could count though because he's extreme about it (losing it, sometimes physically, on people he only suspects of abusing a child without much evidence).

I second this. When I think of Berserk Button, I think of things that send people into an Unstoppable Rage, things that lead to a No-Holds-Barred Beatdown or even Cold-Blooded Torture for vengance, not merely a stern lecture or angry outburts. Plus, some of the examples of real life berserk buttons look like they were exaggerated for the point of comedy. For example, saying "Joisey" in New Jersey will get you beaten black and blue or even killed? In reality it'll usually get you laughed at or at worst mocked. I think it should be split into two pages.

1. Berserk Button: When something sends characters into a fit of rage that induces an Oh, Crap! or This Is Gonna Suck moment. 2. Pet Peeve: When something annoys a character enough that they say something about it, usually irritatedly, or at worst Dope Slap the other person.

Two examples from Annoying Orange that would fit in each place.

1. Berserk Button: Marshmallow's reaction to Grapefruit torching his picture of Princess Butterflykiss. 2. Pet Peeve: Midget Apple telling people "That's LITTLE Apple!" when they call him Midget Apple.

It was locked for being incredibly whiny and childish, with people displaying Psychopathic Manchild and internet tough guy behavior. "If you say (something innocuous, probably about some lame thing no one cares about) in front of me, I'll rip your head off durr durr durr I'm not a dangerous lunatic"

Yup.