Linking to a past Trope Repair Shop thread that dealt with this page: Should be YMMV
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Wereboar
The entry on Cinderella castle is largely incorrect. Both castles that were used as the model for the Disney's iconic building were built nowhere close to Middle Ages. Schloss Neuschwanstein that provided the model for the interior has been built in 1870s, while Chateau de Pierrefonds that was used as the inspiration for the outer wall has been rebuilt from ruins in 1850s with little to no attention to its previous shape. In contrast, many 'gritty' castles from 'Game of Thrones' are either closely modeled on the English and Spanish medieval castles or actually are these castles, usually somewhat digitally retouched to hide its present state.
I'm not saying that Cinderella castle is not a building that could not have existed in Middle Ages (it could, as it largely merges the late medieval French wall construction with towers typical for German municipal buildings and spires reminiscent of German Gothic cathedrals), the explanation given is incorrect though, as it has been clearly modeled after 19th century fantasy buildings.
In this case, I would say that individual editors should decide on an example-by-example basis.
Oh, and I originally wrote up a much wordier post, but deleted most of it because Brevity Is Wit. Still, I wanted to flex on all the barely-literate people out there, so have a bit of astonishingly obvious (yet common-sense) advice: "Some things are universal, some things are totally obscure, but a very small percentage are in that grey area where they aren't either, and the YMMV tab is where we put those." -Pixel Knight
Edited by PixelKnight There's always a song in my heart. Unfortunately, my playlist includes Rick Astley and Darude.
This really should be YMMV. It's an audience reaction and in too many cases, not invoked.
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I agree, too. It takes the audiences' perspective to decide how obscure something can be to the point it's fictional.
I totally agree what counts as "obscure" is way too subjective, and this should probably be YMMV
I disagree with the removal of the Real Life sction. There's nothing controversial about it, it's mostly "Wow, they exist?" I think it makes more sense to call it Miscellaneous since they are things that can cover multiple sections.
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Aluminium Christmas Trees is an Audience Reaction. Audience Reactions require a medium.
Which means, every example should reference a work, and the work belongs to a media category. It's that media category where the example belongs.
Let's just say and leave it at that.
We don't have a general rule that Audience Reactions need a medium.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
An audience implies a work. A work implies a medium.
Let's just say and leave it at that.
No, an audience does not require a work. And even if it did we don't restrict AR pages to work reactions.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Yes, an audience requires a work. An „Audience Reaction“ about Real Life is either 1) misplaced and does not actually belong in the RL section, or 2) just an opinion, an opinion on stuff. What stuff? Random stuff. I see no value in collecting opinions on random stuff.
Let's just say and leave it at that.
I guess you can propose such a policy in the Wiki Talk forum.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Anything mentioned on the show QI (a non-fiction program!) would qualify as real life examples.
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Removed this from the Fairy Tales section:
- People usually confuse royalty, castles, knights, and carriages for elements of fantasy due to not having been informed about what the 1400's was like, assuming it was just like today.
This isn't true. Most everyone knows these things really exist(ed). Probably some troper joking around.
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Well, this bothers me a bit in the Holy Grail section. Flaggelants, knights in armour, yeah they were real. I already removed the bit about the castles being actual castles. Similarly, Unix in Jurassic Park. Anyway the trope is for the unexpected-but-true; and for ignoramuses these things wouldn't be especially unlikely - no more than anything else.
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Shouldn't this be considered a YMMV audience reaction? It's often entirely unclear whether a writer is deliberately employing this as a trope or a viewer just has a smaller reference pool than the writer.
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Generally speaking, the size of the reference pool is not a reason to consider something YMMV.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
I've seen this listed as a straight trope, as YMMV, and as trivia in various places. This short probably get sorted but I don't think it need dragging to the Trope Repair Shop just yet.
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... Seeing Aluminium spelt without the second "i" so many times in one article is disturbing me greatly.
As if the transatlanteans having their own idiot-proof spelling for simple words like colour wasn't bad enough, but applying that same dumbing-down process to the Periodic Table is a step too far. That said, it isn't as bad as they did to Caesium... or Sulphur for that matter.
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Apparently some tropers don't realize transatlantic spelling differences are a thing. Is this now a self-demonstrating discussion?
aayero
Regarding the history of Christmas trees with aluminum needles: they were not typically pink, although there were pink ones. The one we had (for only one year) in the 60's when I was a kid was silver. The spinning color wheel was not an addition during the 90's "revival," it was always part of the package, because you can't hang electric lights on aluminum trees for fear of electric shock. I've never heard of deliberately ugly single-branch ones...maybe some store just partly assembled one that way in a display as a reference to Charlie Brown? The aluminum trees were always considered a bit trashy and weird by most people, so it was not A Charlie Brown Christmas that caused their loss of popularity; rather, that show was making reference to what many already felt at the time. The trees were also dangerous. Ours accidentally made contact with an electric socket with pyrotechnic results...that was when we packed it up and threw it out. (I suppose the 90's ones may have been mylar instead of actual aluminum, and therefore not so hazardous.)
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The Master Prophet
==Titanic== To the great alarm of most of us many kids we are finding out now saw Titanic in theatres and had no idea it was based on a real event. sorry but I don't have the time to read thru the article in code to add it myself (URL = i.imgur.com/vynW8.png)
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You gotta get yourself some marble columns
About two decades ago, I had to take my then (pre-teen) nephew to a local drive-in theatre. He had seen them in movies but never believed they actually existed. (at the time, this drive in had just reopened) In his words, "I thought it was like putting your fingers to the neck of someone who just died".
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Jake
Would you believe my grandparents actually owned an aluminium christmas tree quite similar to the page image? It's silver instead of pink, and looked rather threadbare the last time I saw it.
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I may have not read the article thoroughly (I spent hours on T Vtropes today), so maybe it's stated somewhere. In Argentina, and from what I know in the rest os South America, aluminum trees are the usual kinds. We don't cut down trees.
Azor Ahai
I have a question for anyone who knows Japanese history. I added that example about the protagonist of Rurouni Kenshin being a real person, but I'm honestly not sure where I got that detail of him doing assassinations in drag. I wonder if I had come across a mention of the Kenshin who lived during the Sengoku.
Actually, it occurs to me that Himura Kenshin might be based on that Himura who was an assassin during the 19th century and the Kenshin from the Sengoku (who was also a feared swordsman). Does this sound right?
Edit- I looked a bit into this. I'm really thinking (as my edit noted) that the author made up that detail.
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- For a long time, people in the realistic flight business sneered at "arcadey" flight-action titles like Ace Combat, Afterburner etc. for having multi-role missiles that could be used for both air-to-air and air-to-ground. Cue the recent (as of this writing in January 2010) announcement by the USAF through Jane's that they're modding Sidewinders for air-to-ground ability...
- And how does that fit this trope?
Deleted. Comment is right - It doesn't fit the trope. Trope requires something that's present at the time the work was written, only to become obscure later on, not something that was absent when the work appeared, only appear later.
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Per TRS, this is now YMMV:
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=16656687970.37658200&page=2#comment-26
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