Discussion Franchise / Pokemon

No, that's not how we do YMMV items.

I'm actually pretty sure portal is the trope namer.

Actually in Portal, it's called the Aperture Science High Energy PELLET. It probably goes to Pokémon for trope naming, at least for now.

Remember, There Is No Such Thing As Notability. You can probably go ahead with it, but just in case, check with a Mod first.

'Po-KAY-mahn" or "Pok-uh-mahn"

You can hear this best at the very end of the first English opening.

Maybe the same person that went and manually "fixed" all the "e"s while complaining all the way a while back can do it.

He/she was the reason I added the instructions for typing the "é", since he/she apparently never stopped to think that maybe the reason why people were "typing it incorrectly" was because they didn't know how.

besides, you can always just do " e' ".

besides, you can always just do " e' ".

besides, you can always just do " e' ".

besides, you can always just do " e' ".

besides, you can always just do " e' ".

besides, you can always just do " e' ".

OH GOD I DIDN'T MEAN TO DO THAT

• Also, You 'do' see a real ghost in R/B. Remember that Marowak? And the Pokemon Tower was basically an entire Pokemon graveyard. And it's fainting because it would be irritating to hae to catch a new pokemon each time they died.

The fainting is more a case of staying away from Family Unfriendly Implications.

Nevertheless, Lavender Town is still a thing that exists.

Your Normal type Snorlax can fight side-by-side with Dragons and stand in the same grounds.

Even going by that logic, the only badass normals would be Normal-types who don't have any access to moves of other types. Do any of those (outside of babies or something) actually exist? And adding to that, Hyper Beam is Normal-type but hardly adheres what a badass normal would be able to do.

Half of the Skitties and Delcatties in existence? Or is that bending the rules?

Skitty and Delcatty barely count as Badass... Normal type is Non-Elemental and that's it.

by that logic so is fighting, psychic, dragon, steel and if you stretch it a bit ghost.

Fighting types that don't get force palm, aura sphere, focus blast or moves from any other type. Dragons normal, psychics normal. Dragon Breath and psybeam aren't super powers? Steel has as many special moves as fighting.

Stoutland are pretty awesome, with their giant mustaches. Plus, their data claims that they have saved people in snowstorms before, which is also quite awesome.

This is probably why everyone thinks Giratina was evil.

Ugh, I feel old. The Game Boy had been out for over 6 years before Pokémon Red and Green were released. Do you really think that there were only a few multiplayer games in that huge span of time?

And I couldn't have mistaken the text, here it is, copy-pasted directly from the edit history:

"in fact, these games were the first to use the multiplayer capabilities of the Game Boy"

They were nowhere near the first. Seriously, being too young to know can only excuse so much. People should check their "facts" instead of coming straight here and posting what they read from places like 4chan and Game FA Qs.

The most accurate thing to say would be "one of the few multiplayer games on the gameboy" or something like that, because there were some before it, but there definitely weren't many multiplayer games on the gameboy at all. (not counting gbc games)

On the Trivia tab.

I dunno, but something needs to said about it any case. I shouldn't actually need to play to get coins and get Flamethrower, Ice Beam, and Thunderbolt. ಠ_ಠ

derp wrong button.

Oh, and I know what it is, but I won't say, lol.

Yes?

I don't get it. Try asking on the forum cause no one else seems to either.

I'm pretty sure that entry was made before the game was released, and that the troper thought it was replacing the GS Ball event from GSC. The Giovanni event is still in the game; I've already done it with a cheating device.

Not replaced in coding replaced as in they skipped over the Celebii event and gave us Pichu instead, though Fridge Logic means you could apply that to any event we did get versus any we did not.

I for one wouldn't mind it. I think that's the way it was before, then people decided to add the other Profs and others then decided to correct them, then added the footnote because people kept adding Elm back because they don't bother reading %%comments.

As I recall, one of them readded Elm, and added %%don't care NEXT TO the comment.

Is there a precedent for changing it? It's such a minor thing, but this is a high-traffic page and I don't particularly feel like making waves by going about it the wrong way.

I don't believe there is. You could edit it, state the reason and mention this discussion in the provided space, and then let what happens after go. If someone disagrees they can change it back, if not it'll stay.

@OldManHoOh
Yeah, I saw that back then. It was obvious he was trying to make it look like he purposely went against it to hide his error, especially since he added the "don't care" in a separate edit.

I'm having problems as well.

Grrr... I wonder what happened...

Okay, Smogon's servers have been down for the last eight days. What the **** is going on?!?!?

Smogon is just like that sometimes. They've been down for longer before.

You sure about that? And it isn't your computer? I am not getting that at all. Sometimes, you need to check whether it's your stuff acting up or not. I think that part should be removed. Or if it shouldn't, report it in the forums. There's a thread for it: Bad Ad Reporting Thread. http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/showthread.php?t=29680

It could be that, although the two computers were at two separate residences, using two different OS's and Virus protections. (Windows XP with Norton, Windows 7 with Kaspersky) Not to mention that google searches turn up other users who have had the same problem. If the warning needs to be removed, i won't argue, it IS right at the top of the page. I'm just concerned about the state of other users comps, especially since Vundo has ruined my computers in the past.

Apparently, I got lucky and never got the offending ads. Anyway, they know about the problem and is resolving it. Hopefully this will come to a pass.

Is the problem gone? The warning was removed.

Apparently, yes.

You can just make a new Golden Boys page. That way, you don't have to worry about redirecting searches for Golden Boys to Pocket Monsters.

Well, okay. But why exactly do we have an apparent Pocket Monsters page? That manga barely has any scans online, and I doubt that many Japanese tropers will help.

I honestly have no idea. It doesn't have anything on its page either.

What? It said right there, "general cleaning".

All right, sorry. To be specific, what I deleted were the entries with Natter, and the entries which were misplaced. Since we now have individual pages for the Pokemon games, only tropes about the Pokemon series in general belong here. Tropes belonging to specific versions belong on the individual game pages.

Man, that must have taken forever. Definitely needed, though. I think we might need a disclaimer at the top of the page to put game-specific tropes on their own page.

Why are there two of them?

While that's a reasonably good idea I have no idea how such a feat would be achieved logistically, considering the overlap in tropes between the games. It would require someone familiar enough with the whole series to be able to tell us which tropes appear in all of them and which only show up in a specific version.

The one problem I could see happening is there not being enough examples for individual game pages; otherwise, it's just a matter of devoting the time. There are bound to be plenty of tropes with knowledge of even the earliest games, so it could work.

Assuming this goes through, and you're taking volunteers, I'm up for working on the articles for Ruby/Sapphire/Emerald and newer.

I have the spare time, and the familiarity. I can do it; allow me to throw a tentative Gold/Silver/Crystal article together.

As I've only played the first two games of the series, I'm weary of helping myself for fear of spoilers. However, for all interested in affecting this split, I can assure you that your efforts are wanted and appreciated.

Here's what we can do to start out- Pokemon Red And Blue, Pokemon Gold And Silver, Pokemon Ruby And Sapphire, and Pokemon Diamond And Pearl are probably the most reasonable individual titles, as they describe the basic generations without getting overly long. You can save whatever progress you make on individual pages on the wiki proper- don't worry about bandwith or anything like that, as these pages won't likely receive Wiki Magic until the product is finished. The more annoying problem is having to delete individual tropes off of the Pokemon main page, although copy pasting could probably allow an individual user to perform both feats at the same time.

We can probably assume anyone familiar with Yellow, Crystal, Emerald, and Platinum knows which series they fold into. Likewise with Fire-Red, Leaf-Green, Heart-Gold and Soul-Silver (Updated Re-release versions of the originals). Barring all that, the only real obstacle to completion of this project is the wherewithal to affect a split.

As an irrelevant incentive, I'll give a Made Of Win to the first troper to successfully split off one page.

Hmmmm... impressive. Didn't someone do this to Fire Emblem and each of its different respective continents? I vote to do the same for Pokémon, too. Someone should get started on this.

Why don't we split by generation? That'd be viable, I think.

Splitting by generation sounds good. I think a soft-split (like what's been done with the Lady Gaga page, in regards to person vs. works) to seperate the originals from the remakes might be in order, too.

How should we handle trope overlap? Obviously, things like Gotta Catch 'Em All are present in every single title, and would be placed on the main series page, but what about the ones that appear in only, say, two generations? Should they go to said generations' individual pages?

On a side note, I'm almost finished with Pokemon Ruby And Sapphire, at this point.

That's the main iffy point. If a trope only appears in two titles, then we should probably just list them in those two pages. Tropes like that tend to be plot elements anyway, and so would have to be contextualized in the case of each game.

An exception to this would be gameplay elements, like breeding. In which case those should be treated as universal and on the main page, but it should say "from generation II onwards" for the sake of reference.

So will we be doing character sheets for each game as well?

Sounds good to me. I'm assuming tropes related to Pokémon (e.g. Lanturn's Alluring Anglerfish/Dolphins, Dolphins Everywhere) should be included on the page for the games they come from?

Edit: A somewhat simple page Ruby, Sapphire and Emerald is here. Shall I go about removing entries on the main page?

That'd be fine by me. However, I would say FRLG should have their own pages, as opposed to sharing Red and Blue's. There's enough new content for it to be merited. Same for Gold and Silver versus their remakes.

EDIT: Lanturn is GSC.

Simple is fine. You can wait for Wiki Magic to do the rest or, if it's working too slowly for you, use the body text search to find mention of "Pokemon Ruby" and replace the Pokemon pot holes with Pokemon Ruby And Sapphire ones. Now that you have the basics done feel free to move tropes directly from the main page to the sub-page, and be sure to delete the originals. This page is way too long, and this split is a good thing.

On FRLG and HGSS, I'm not convinced there's enough new content to warrant their own pages, but I think there's probably enough that the tropes for those games should be listed separately on the Pokemon Red And Blue and Pokemon Gold And Silver pages compared to the ones that appear in all versions.

All right, I'm in the process of making a Ruby/Sapphire character sheet. I'll link it to the Ruby/Sapphire page when I'm done. And feel free to fix any formatting mistakes, it's my first time making a character sheet, so it could probably use some work.

Derp, I always make that mistake with Lanturn. I've performd a little Wiki Magic on my own for the main page, just to cut down on some of the clutter, and now I'll do a text search like you said.

Okay, Ruby and Sapphire now have a basic Character Sheet. I've only played Emerald, so add in any Ruby/Sapphire-only tropes. I'll throw together a quick character sheet for the other games, too.

I added really basic ones for DP Pt and RBG now, but I don't know what to do for cameo characters in GSC. Any thoughts?

Pokemon Red And Blue, as well as its accompanying character sheet, should have every trope originally listed on the series page. I'll get to pruning tomorrow, if someone else doesn't beat me to it. (It's time for sleep now.)

Should tropes from the anime be allowed on the character pages for the games?

A while ago all the unicode characters were going to hell. That seems to be all there is to it.

"Doesn't fit the spirit of the world"? Who said it had to? I don't think Pk Mario gets the point of the trope, if that's his rationale.

Remember that the game canon is separate from anime canon, in the games most Pokemon make generic sounds or sounds that fit the animal they're based off of. Still, some of them are rather intelligent according to their Pokedex entries, and staging fights between living things regardless of intelligence can be considered horrific.

So, three against one that this would qualify? Would that make it okay for me to put it back in the article? Would some one else like to put it back, so it wouldn't be considered edit war? I'm kind of new here so I don't yet know how I should act in a situation like this.

The only problem I notice is that it could use a rewrite, aha ha. Well, that, and there's a small continuity crossover: Meowth only speaks in the anime, which has its own article, and is probably meant to have its tropes kept seperate from the games'.

We don't see what attacks do to Pokémon in the games; everyone assumes injuries are superficial as a result—an idea helped by fainted Pokémon being able to use HMs in the field. Despite that, some of them have absolutely horrific implications: Guillotine, Earthquake, Slash, Explosion, Self-Destruct… Then there's the Pokémon themselves, which range from: cute yellow mice; genetically altered psychics; ghosts made of poisonous gas; a creature that inflicts perpetual nightmares without intent; a dimension-hopping giraffe-dragon; a giant, frozen hockey mask that eats its prey after coating them in ice… One of the biggest Fridge Horror moments comes from the discovery that humans probably eat Pokémon like Miltank, Tauros, and Magikarp, with the latter being canon.

Really, if the series didn't honestly seem to be aiming for that E for Everyone rating, it wouldn't be a pretty little Gotta Catch 'Em All game anymore.

I don't think adding it back at this point would be considered an edit war.

I'm willing to help with this. We should probably divide it up by region, however, to make things easier to navigate.