It's super effective.
This:
In one notable instance, Big Finish Doctor Who explicitly named the Eighth Doctor Adventures as an alternate timeline that takes place in an Alternate Continuity.
is irreconcilable with this:
The Night Of The Doctor and Nicholas Briggs tweet after this episode confirmed Big Finish Doctor Who as canon.
It's super effective.
the majority of post-2005 Whoniverse writers (and a few actors) got their start in Doctor Who in its expanded universe.
Completely wrong. Whithouse, MacRae, Raynor, Chibnall, Thompson, Gaiman, Curtis, Cross, Nye, Ford... the list goes on.
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Should be include a warning as to how epically darker and edgier the expanded universe tends to get when compared to the main show? I mean, most of Faction Paradox wouldn't look at all out of place in 40K.
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Unless seven-year-olds watching the current version of the TV series are Tropers, I can't imagine it's that urgent. We're technically family-friendly, but that's because of Adsense and The Second Google Incident more than anything. Regardless of this, the main show post-2005 has a lot of innuendo, murder, genocide (attempted AND successful), PG-13/12A-level violence (not usually from the Doctor himself), sizable horror and the so-called "gay agenda".
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Removed pretty much this entire paragraph:
Sometimes the concepts of the Doctor Who Expanded Universe, rather than their actual stories, are accepted as canon by the Whoniverse. An example of this is the Last Great Time War: by the time Doctor Who came back following the "wilderness years" of cancellation, the Eighth Doctor Adventures and two unrelated Web Original stories, Death Comes to Time and Scream Of The Shalka, had all independently written out the Time Lords. (None of these are now considered canon by the TV series, but they were written as a possible canon at the time.) When the TV series returned, it wrote out the Time Lords too — and this development in turn spawned more Expanded Universe stories about the now-canonical war and its consequences.
RTD has a VERY hands-off approach to what is or isn't canon, but according to Wikipedia:
Russell T Davies, executive producer of the series, commented that there is no connection between the War of the books and the Time War of the television series, comparing Gallifrey being destroyed twice with Earth's two World Wars. He also said that he was "usually happy for old and new fans to invent the Complete History of the Doctor in their heads, completely free of the production team's hot and heavy hands". (Source: Russell T Davies, "The Evasion of Time". Doctor Who Magazine #356 (2005), pp. 66–67.)
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Why do we have both this and Franchise / Whoniverse? Let's settle on one and cut the other. (I prefer Franchise / Doctor Who Expanded Universe.)
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Because Expanded Universe does not apply for any of the works in the primary medium. None of the TV spinoffs are expanded universe, they're just spinoffs.
In the case of SJA and Torchwood at least, they explicitly overlap with the TV series too in both early 21st century setting as well as some of the writers.
I agree that it implies there's some conspiracy about "primary canon", but Expanded Universe is just "anything not in the original or primary media".
Were the Time Lords written out in Scream of the Shalka? Been a while since I watched it, but I thought they were the ones remotely piloting his TARDIS in the start...?
I haven't read Lungbarrow, but what I have confuses me.
1. Pythian curse? Time Lords aren't superstitious.
2. The Other (who somehow is also the Doctor) commits suicide to make a political point. I cannot see the Doctor doing anything like that - if anything, he'd just run.
3. Rassilon was pretty damn close to a Physical God. If he'd been evil, he never would've left power, much left allowed himself to be confined to a tomb, as in Five Doctors.
4. The Looms. While some sort of genetic engineering fits Time Lord society quite well, FORTY cousins at a time? With life spans measured in centuries? They'd be overpopulated very quickly indeed.
That's my rant done with, and if somebody who has read the book could offer an explanation, I'd be intensely grateful.
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Been ages since I've read it (going thru the series again at the moment), but in answer to the queries: 1. It was more an actual, magical curse that sterilised them than the Pythian's going "oogidy boogedy boo!" But maybe that did that too. Fun to imagine it, either way.
2. The Other isn't actually, really, totally the Doctor. Sort of. The Doctor's just a reincarnation of him, after he threw himself into Looms. Allegedly.
3. Rassilon had access to loads of Tech, but was still a Timelord. Just an incredibly inventive, politically powerful one. If the rest of the Timelords were turning against him, running off to hang out in a Tomb may have looked like a good idea (maybe there's a more detailed explanation of his downfall somewhere, don't recall myself sorry).
4. I recall it's a 40 cousins limit - once a house has 40, it stops, and a new one would be "loomed" (that's a word now) only when anoher cousin finally died. So Gallifrey would probably have decades/centuries where no new Timelords would appear. Which would make buying Christmas gifts really, really boring I bet.
Hope that helps! Anyone else wanna chime in would be great, my memory is pretty sketchy.
So does anyone think that this should have the Whoniverse character list? They're all Expanded Universe characters over there.
Edit: never mind, someone already posted a topic to this effect, and I decided two's a quorum and sorted it out.
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So, are we gonna do a separate page for Time Lord Victorious eventually? It is pretty Troperiffic so far. And if we are, the what do we class it as? (That’s the one thing stopping me from making the page myself).
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