Discussion Administrivia / PermanentRedLinkClub

Creator.CN Real was remade from Main.CN Real once the snark subsided, but it's still locked.

^It's actually been unlocked for a couple of months now.

There are some members of the Permanent Red Link Club that I believe could leave the club, as the TV Tropes community is now much more mature than when the following pages were deleted:

• NightmareFuel.Barney And Friends: Although Barney & Friends is a Sweet Dreams Fuel show, the Nightmare Fuel cleanup happened many years ago.
• Creator.Christian Weston Chandler and Creator.Christine Weston Chandler: As Mewtron mentioned above, the Creator.CN Real page was recreated in 2020 with a much less complaining-sounding tone.
• WMG.Cartoon Network: Same.
• UsefulNotes.Conspiracy Theories: Despite their controversial nature leading to the page joining the Club, I do believe the main page should've just been rewritten to define the term.
• Horrible.Web Original and Horrible.Web Video: The existing SBIH pages currently do not suffer the edit warring and flaming that plagued these pages.

• Keeping a disclaimer saying that "Troper Tales has been removed because it's nothing of value" is rather pointless, as the reason for its removal is also on the TV Tropes Glossary and FAQ. The page is locked anyway, so it's not like people can start Troper Tales back up if the disclaimer is cut.
• Do we really need a hard-coded redirect on the former Porn Tropes page? If it should be gone, just PRLC it; a hard-coded redirect to The Content Policy isn't necessary in this situation.

The reason the CWC pages are permanently cut is because we have a specific rule not to discuss her as a person on this site due to how uniquely inflammatory she is. We only need to talk about her work, and that's covered enough by the existence of the Sonichu page.

The SBIH pages don't need to come back because there is no professional standard by which we judge most web content and thus it'll be too risky to try and keep civil.

Presumably because the trope is about real footage of people dying and we don't want images of that on the wiki. Perhaps that should be clarified on the entry.

While understandable, preferably the reasoning should be clear.

There's no reason to add things here preemptively, nor a publicity is really a problem (we have creator and work pages that are at best controversial). If someone tries to create the page, it will likely have violations of some sort which would justify adding it here.

I believe that falls under "Pages cut under the Content Policy" because it's an underage porn work.

Page?

The work pages were cut.

I know that.

Use this thread to ask for it to be added.

EDIT: Sorry. I have no idea why it goes to a 404 page.

I honestly think that they should, but that's ultimately a decision probably best left to the moderators.

It seems Narm used to have a Real Life subpage before it was made NRLEP. If so, then shouldn't the former RL subpages for Disproportionate Retribution, Foreshadowing, and Nightmare Fuel also be listed here?

It's just the "Main" namespaces for both pages that were cut. They still have pages on the Darth Wiki.

Even without a Main/ redirect, the existence of DarthWiki.Idiot Programming would have made links to Main.Idiot Programming appear blue until the 1.8 site update, which occurred this year and fixed an issue previously brought up on this discussion page. It looks like links to nonexistent pages still appear blue on discussion pages, though.

This isn't just for any cut page. It's for cut pages that that the mods and admins absolutely don't want to come back.

I know that this thread is a few years old, but as of 2017 Link can wield a club while wearing clothes that are dyed red.

If memory serves, people kept linking to the page even after the redirection.

Not with the current software.

Can't be done. The page collides with the title of a troper page.

That'd be something for the Five P to decide, I think.

Yes. What would be the problem if we just made "don't include Rule 34 works" a rule for the page, likely commented at the top as a reminder, just like we don't list pornographic works in trope pages anymore? I hope they consider that, as we already do similar things warning against certain types of examples in several pages.

I can't petition them using the provided platform, unfortunately, as I'm not ready to ask for my posting privileges back.

I'll ask about this.

Thanks. I'm gonna' take a scrub through the Internet Archive of the old article so I can filter out all the sexually explicit/backhanded recommendation/author bashing ones so, if it's successfully allowed to come back, some of the work will have already been done. And if it's not allowed back... hey, I'll have an offline copy of the article.

Not getting much opinions on this but they are tepid at best. Maybe in the future, when the site overhaul comes.

Ahkay. Thanks for helping me try, anyway.

The first 8 pages are still acceptable to use. As for the second, the Trope Repair Shop decided to keep the redirect as is.

Nah, I think it's fairly pointless. I might add a note about bluelinks, though.

Because it's a plural redirect. We don't want these.

No, that is covered under the general 5P entry.

Might want to ask for a note here.

Eh, I don't read it that absolutely. Much childrens' material will feature kids.

I don't see why this is necessary when all the examples are on Locked Pages with similar (although less detailed) explanations already.

Looking over the above, the difference is that some of those pages are still valid, despite being locked. Permanent Red Link Club is about tropes that had been outright cut or made red for one reason or another. There's a couple of reds in the Locked Pages so we could move them over to their own separate area, which would be this.

Looking over the above, the difference is that some of those pages are still valid, despite being locked. Permanent Red Link Club is about tropes that had been outright cut or made red for one reason or another. There's a couple of reds in the Locked Pages so we could move them over to their own separate area, which would be this.

I definitely want this page here. People need to know why pages have been removed and locked and will never come back so that they will know, for example, not to use So Yeah at the end of sentences.

I can see this being somewhat useful. I would vote to keep it.

(wait this isn't a reply)

I'm bringing it back, for the reasons stated above.

Also, Fast Eddie made an edit to it, for what that's worth.

Would someone get rid of this Swamp Critters thing? Because I wasn't paying attention to this link saying the "Main" is suppose to be changed into "series" because it's a Live Action TV series.

This is the correct link. https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Series/SwampCritters

(accidental post)

I'm just letting you guys know.

For the first time, the Westboro church (outside of Larmie and Theroux) was referenced in an episode of Rick And Morty, where Rick and the teenage daughter (all buffed up) beat up a guy carrying a god hates fags sign.

This is an artifact of the new way the redlinker works; it shows a page as blue if there is at least one working page under that title.

One of its subpages was cutlisted and cut. That makes all the pages with the same title appear as red until you re-edit it.

Glitch.

EDIT: Fixed.

Little glitch. Looks like a subpage was cut, which for some reason redlinks a page until it gets edited. I fixed it with a null edit.

Matter of fact, there are a lot of links for existing pages that show up as red links (like the ones scene on Chuggaaconroy's Funny page). EDIT: Oh, so that's what you meant by a "null edit". Okay, fixed now.

Presumably, the pages got cutlisted, which auto-locks the page.

You can go to this thread to request that they be unlocked.

I assume it's because that page was in the Main/ namespace and was therefore cut (but not barred from having a page in the future). Musicians belong in Music/.

If you have any suggestions for things which can be removed from this list, please take them to the forum.

I've placed it on the Cut List, so the moderators should remove it soon. Thanks for contributing to the wiki!

In fact, I wonder why we should list initialisms here when there's just too many to list. I'm thinking we should remove that list and just say that ALL initialisms are deleted for good.

Because of this

So is it never gonna come back? If so, can we list it here?

^No. Please read the comment in the page source.

Just being cut isn't enough to go on this list. It was probably cut for overlapping with Nightmare Fuel and all.

^That would turn this page into a directory of porn and paedo-pornography. No thanks.

It would help to know which works are off-limits. Being controversial isn't enough. For example, I came to this page via a link in From the Mouths of Babes to Kodomo No Jikan which is a locked red-link. I hadn't been aware that the purge was going to extend to works as well, so this took me by surprise.

If there's not going to be information on the page for the work itself about the purge, then it needs to be collected somewhere to prevent confusion for the majority of users who are not heavily involved on the forums. This site does attract new users occasionally who might want to know what the deal is.

You want this place. Also, it's always a good idea to look around the forums when you have questions.

It violated the Five P policy by being a trollfic that had rape with underage characters.

Oh never mind, apparently Baby Got Back is getting a rehaul why they decide what to do? IDK.

Sure, just be sure to explain why it was cut, and neutrally.

How about putting them is a new section ("Overly sexual pages", or something like that?)

I think we first need to tighten the standards for putting pages here. It's quickly becoming a place to Complain About Pages You Don't Like

I see. Probably we could include a hidden message for every section pointing out that complaining abour (or poking fun ot) cut pages is not the idea of the article. If all else fails, we should probably lock the page, but that should be the last resort.

I already added one in the source. Let's see if it sticks, but I've the feeling that several sections don't belong here at all (cut then recreated, other/unsorted).

The "cut then recreated" section dates back to before we started autolocking cut pages. People would recreate pages after they were cut, and they had to be locked manually. Same goes for the other/unsorted section - many of them were perma-redlinked before cut pages were autolocked.

Yeah. I am just not sure if we still need these sections. In fact, I think that the "cut then recreated" section can be deleted and the Did Not Do The Research pages can be added as a sub-group of the exampleless section.

I see no reason to remove them.

As for those 5 examples, I'd say they all belong here except for Scientific Progress Goes Oi. But they don't really fit under any of the current sections. They'd either have to go under unsorted or an entirely new section.

I've the feeling that "other/unsorted" is an euphemism for "no good reason".

I can get behind Naked Shotaro Boy being put back, maybe Innocent Panties as well, but everything else's justification for being PRLC'ed is rather flimsy.

Again, most of the "other/unsorted" ones are merely artifacts from before the autolock system was added. Even if they weren't the kind of thing we'd put here if they were cut today, back then this was for all cut-and-locked-pages. In fact, I'm pretty sure the only one of those that doesn't predate autolocking is Title Bin.

In that case, the only item in "other" that is actually Permanent Red Link Club-worthy is It Looks Like This. The others can be removed, I'd say.

I think that a reordering of the page into PRLC-eing categories would be useful:

• Pages cut for creating issues on the rest of the wiki
• Pages made in violation of wiki policy
• Redundant pages

Sounds good to me.

By Cut List I think you mean Recent Cuts. Anyway, Ironclad was cut long enough ago to have been dropped off that list. It was cut after April 2011, though, so it's locked. I see how the confusion came about, so I have moved the misleading link on this page.

Basically, It means that only people who know why a page was cut can fill the PRLC page.

Specifically, the pages to be decided upon are these:

• True Art Is Complex
• True Art Is Foreign
• True Art Is Offensive
• True Art Is Realistic
• True Art Sticks It To The Man

Yes, go ahead.

Seventeen months and an answer finally came.

Which I already did. Their PRLC'ing reasons still fall into the category "Complaining About Things You Don't Like.

create a namespace for the kind of work it is (to create a page for a webcomic titled Shadow Persona, type Webcomic/ShadowPersona.

You'd end up with Shadow Persona.

There's nothing inherently wrong with the main page, so I'm sure asking for it to be unlocked to create the work page would be okay.

But putting a work on Main/ is not OK; see Namespaces.

It appears that Comic Party never had a page on this wiki to begin with, because it's not locked and I'm not seeing any edit history for it. If you want to make a page for it, go right ahead, Works Pages Are A Free Launch. Just make sure to put it in the correct namespace.

All cut pages are automatically locked now. And looking at the edit history, the page was a stub.

Most of these pages were removed simply because they were bad pages. Moving them off the main wiki would simply be giving them too much credit.

Also, the Darth Wiki already exists for people to make pages for controversial topics. The fact that individual DW pages have been cut should demonstrate that mere controversiality is not really a criterion to be put on this page.

Well, we might still want to mention specific pages that were cut just so people know what went wrong with them and what to avoid doing on the wiki.

It would go under "Pages cut and locked due to being nothing but complaining". I have now put it there.

Why was it deleted?

It was cut as a result of a TRS thread for being a stock phrase with no actual trope behind it.

I guess I'll just put it under unsorted until someone comes along and fixes it.

DidNotDoTheResearch.The Irate Gamer is locked now.

Hell if I know. Justin Bieber and Taylor Swift have even more prevalent hatedoms, and their pages were created without a problem (and, as it turns out, little to no vandalism!).

It's a redirect that looks like this: Pokémon. It looks like "Pokémon" but was linking to a "Pokemon"-ptitle [NO accent on th "e"!] It was way too often used, and was also a ptitle-redirect to a ptitle. Unwanted, unneeded, and thanks to the new system, we're now just using {{Pokemon}} (which gives us Pokemon - WITH an accent on the main page!).

Whenever you see ÞPokémonÞ (or ANY "[=~"-created ptitle, or a ptitle to a ptitle), change it. It'd be appreciated.

EDIT: Perhaps we should make it blue again - 'cause at the moment the "Related to"-Button shows absolutely NOTHING. We can delete it again AFTER we purged it from this wiki. ^^

Take it to Trope Repair Shop.

It could still be useful in places like the Fanservice, Fetish Fuel, and various Crowning Moment pages, but I don't know if it's possible to make a page that's a blue link there & a red link everywhere else.

It might be possible, but even if it were it would probably be more trouble than it's worth.

What if Please Elaborate redirected to X Just X? That way it would stay a red link, but could be used in the edit summary when removing something for not properly explaining it.

Never mind, I read the edit.

Moment Of Awesome prolly won't go anywhere, we just want to keep it off the main page.

Moment Of Awesome wasn't axed. It just found a new home in the Sugar Wiki, that's all.

Moment Of Awesome wasn't axed. It just found a new home in the Sugar Wiki, that's all.

It was always on Sugar Wiki...

Administrivia. Go there.

IIRC, it's because it was considered outside the scope of the wiki, and had mostly degenerated into Complaining About Programs You Don't Like.

Are you implying that So Bad Its Horrible is Complaining About Shows You Dont Like?

Well, yeah, complaining is complaining, even if the shows you don't like are objectively bad. I won't be surprised if, eventually, the whole So Bad Its Horrible thing is removed from the wiki entirely.

I won't be happy, but I won't be surprised, either.

Were here to catalog fiction, not just software.

We have DarthWiki.Idiot Programming; we don't need a So Bad Its Horrible-Software-section at all.

Really, it's an index covering a variety of tropes (or whatever it is they're considered to be) and I guess we shouldn't have pages splitting off one group of examples from a page.

Here.

GAR has been discussed in IJBM, but without reaching any conclusion. What I know is that it used to be a redirect to Badass, until someone made it a separate trope.

Do Not Want has changed its target too (first renamed to Translation Train Wreck which it redirected to, then became redirect to Squick), so perhaps it was too confusing?

Do Not Want could be used to express emotions other than disgust, so I think it wouldn't be a good redirect for Squick regardless.

Maybe its older then the index?

There was a repair shop thread if you want to look through it

Do Not Want: Good question.

I Just Want To Be Accepted: Presumably the person trying to launch the trope was... being unhelpful.

Apparently, at some point, Do Not Want was a redirect to Squick (or so it's claimed on This Index Is Not an Example) but has since been cut from even that. If that ever was a redirect for Squick before it was cut, it might, at least, be worth pointing that out on the main article.

I can vouch that the creator of I Just Want To Be Accepted was being unhelpful, I was involved somewhat in his repair shop threads

Probably a glitch. If the mods didn't like that redirect, they'd delete it, not make it red.

Edit: looks like it's probably a glitch left over from when all the contributor pages were moved to Tropers/.

Well now it's red because it's gone, which at least makes sense.

I'd personally like to move all the red link descriptions on Locked Pages to this one. In fact, I think I'm going to do that. (After all, where do you draw the line for "contributing to bad writing"? What What Woah? Do Not Want?)

Yeah, I was actually going to suggest a separate page for cutlocked pages until I found this one.