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As for your claim that I called the hot tips \
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Also, again, what makes Apocalyptica so special that we should mark their guest musicians, but not anyone else\\\'s? Why are their guest musicians considered related, but not Avantasia\\\'s or Ayreon\\\'s? Your argument is that its part of their act. Its the same with the other two bands. That is what I mean by consistency. You\\\'re telling me that I would have to police the page and keep things consistent, but yet, you wouldn\\\'t if you think your argument is in the right?
As for your claim that I called the hot tips \\\"clutter,\\\" I did not. I simply stated that single members with less than a major amount of guest appearances are not enough to connect two otherwise unrelated artists. For this reason, if you want to link, say, Masterplan and Avantasia due to Jorn Lande\\\'s frequent and prominent guest appearances, then I could see your reasoning and wouldn\\\'t argue. Again, I wouldn\\\'t completely agree, but I wouldn\\\'t argue. Of course, if you want to get technical, the hot tips aren\\\'t necessary, but they are helpful in pointing out artists that work together.
As for what makes acts related and what doesn\\\'t, let\\\'s look at, say, Black Sabbath and Ozzy. This is similar to my Kamelot/Conception example in that a key member of both acts is critical to the history of both acts. This doesn\\\'t include side projects as I don\\\'t think I have to explain how side projects are related.
How about this, let\\\'s see what the other tropers think. If they agree with you, I\\\'ll back off. If they agree with me, you\\\'ll back off. I\\\'d say we\\\'ve both made out cases and we\\\'re not likely to get anywhere if we keep arguing back and forth.
Finally, I\\\'ve noticed the move to start listing related acts and have made efforts to assist with it.
As for your claim that I called the hot tips \\\"clutter,\\\" I did not. I simply stated that single members with less than a major amount of guest appearances are not enough to connect two otherwise unrelated artists. For this reason, if you want to link, say, Masterplan and Avantasia due to Jorn Lande\\\'s frequent and prominent guest appearances, then I could see your reasoning and wouldn\\\'t argue. Again, I wouldn\\\'t completely agree, but I wouldn\\\'t argue. Of course, if you want to get technical, the hot tips aren\\\'t necessary, but they are helpful in pointing out artists that work together.
As for what makes acts related and what doesn\\\'t, let\\\'s look at, say, Black Sabbath and Ozzy. This is similar to my Kamelot/Conception example in that a key member of both acts is critical to the history of both acts. This doesn\\\'t include side projects as I don\\\'t think I have to explain how side projects are related.
How about this, let\\\'s see what the other tropers think. If they agree with you, I\\\'ll back off. If they agree with me, you\\\'ll back off. I\\\'d say we\\\'ve both made out cases and we\\\'re not likely to get anywhere if we keep arguing back and forth.
Finally, I\\\'ve noticed the move to start listing related acts and have made efforts to assist with it.
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A related act is not a single member of one band that played in a guest position of another band. Again, this would prevent giant lists for bands like Apocalyptica, Ayreon or Avantasia. If I had noticed the Peter Gabriel/Tony Levin case, I would have most likely removed it. If you wanted to argue that Slayer was related to Apocalyptica for similar reason to why we have Kamelot and Conception linked, however then I wouldn\'t argue. I wouldn\'t entirely agree, but I wouldn\'t argue. Shared band members that have caused otherwise unrelated bands to be related I think would count. In this example, Avenged Sevenfold and Dream Theater are not related as Portnoy\'s involvement with Avenged Sevenfold haven\'t brought the two bands together (and, in fact, is arguably part of the reason for Portnoy\'s departure from Dream Theater.) However, if you wanted to list Portnoy as related on A7X\'s page, then I would both not argue and would actually agree with the move.
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A related act is not a single member of one band that played in a guest position of another band. Again, this would prevent giant lists for bands like Apocalyptica, Ayreon or Avantasia. If I had noticed the Peter Gabriel/Tony Levin case, I would have most likely removed it.
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If you wanted to argue that Slayer was related to Apocalyptica for similar reason to why we have Kamelot and Conception linked, however then I wouldn\\\'t argue. I wouldn\\\'t entirely agree, but I wouldn\\\'t argue. Shared band members that have caused otherwise unrelated bands to be related I think would count. In this example, Avenged Sevenfold and Dream Theater are not related as Portnoy\\\'s involvement with Avenged Sevenfold haven\\\'t brought the two bands together (and, in fact, is arguably part of the reason for Portnoy\\\'s departure from Dream Theater.) However, if you wanted to list Portnoy as related on A7X\\\'s page, then I would both not argue and would actually agree with the move.
As for your claim that I called the hot tips \\\"clutter,\\\" I did not. I simply stated that single members with less than a major amount of guest appearances are not enough to connect two otherwise unrelated artists. For this reason, if you want to link, say, Masterplan and Avantasia due to Jorn Lande\\\'s frequent and prominent guest appearances, then I could see your reasoning and wouldn\\\'t argue. Again, I wouldn\\\'t completely agree, but I wouldn\\\'t argue. Of course, if you want to get technical, the hot tips aren\\\'t necessary, but they are helpful in pointing out artists that work together.
As for what makes acts related and what doesn\\\'t, let\\\'s look at, say, Black Sabbath and Ozzy. This is similar to my Kamelot/Conception example in that a key member of both acts is critical to the history of both acts. This doesn\\\'t include side projects as I don\\\'t think I have to explain how side projects are related.
How about this, let\\\'s see what the other tropers think. If they agree with you, I\\\'ll back off. If they agree with me, you\\\'ll back off. I\\\'d say we\\\'ve both made out cases and we\\\'re not likely to get anywhere if we keep arguing back and forth.
Finally, I\\\'ve noticed the move to start listing related acts and have made efforts to assist with it.
As for your claim that I called the hot tips \\\"clutter,\\\" I did not. I simply stated that single members with less than a major amount of guest appearances are not enough to connect two otherwise unrelated artists. For this reason, if you want to link, say, Masterplan and Avantasia due to Jorn Lande\\\'s frequent and prominent guest appearances, then I could see your reasoning and wouldn\\\'t argue. Again, I wouldn\\\'t completely agree, but I wouldn\\\'t argue. Of course, if you want to get technical, the hot tips aren\\\'t necessary, but they are helpful in pointing out artists that work together.
As for what makes acts related and what doesn\\\'t, let\\\'s look at, say, Black Sabbath and Ozzy. This is similar to my Kamelot/Conception example in that a key member of both acts is critical to the history of both acts. This doesn\\\'t include side projects as I don\\\'t think I have to explain how side projects are related.
How about this, let\\\'s see what the other tropers think. If they agree with you, I\\\'ll back off. If they agree with me, you\\\'ll back off. I\\\'d say we\\\'ve both made out cases and we\\\'re not likely to get anywhere if we keep arguing back and forth.
Finally, I\\\'ve noticed the move to start listing related acts and have made efforts to assist with it.
