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Welcome to the new Complete Monster (CM) cleanup thread! This thread is where we clean up or cut already-existing entries.

If you're looking to add new entries, please see the approval thread.

IMPORTANT: Before you begin any discussions on this thread, please see the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List. Here, you'll find explanations of the criteria for the trope as well as our rules/procedures for approving and cutting candidates.

What goes through this thread?

    Examples 
  • Cut requests. If you believe a CM has been approved and they do not count, this thread is where you propose their removal. To know how to go about this, please see the FAQ folder on the Administrivia page, where the process is explained in detail.
  • If we ever need to consider cutting multiple examples without individually reviewing them (e.g. if we discover widespread plagiarism with a particular troper's CMs), the initial discussion will be on this thread and we'll then escalate to the mod team (as described here) to get a formal consensus if we decide to recommend a mass cut.
  • If an entry was put on the wrong subpage/YMMV page, you may propose where they should be moved to.
  • Full rewrites of existing entries, including expansions, trims, and ground-up rewrites. If your rewrite is approved by the thread, feel free to add it to the drafts page so that other users can check grammar and the like before it is included with the rest of the weekly swaps.
  • If an entry on a work's YMMV page doesn't match the entry on the media subpage, you can bring it here to discuss which entry works better.

What does not go through this thread?

    Examples 
  • New candidate proposals - as stated before, those are done on this thread.
  • Unapproved wicks - if a Troper encounters either of these kinds of wicks, they can be cut with no approval.
    • Any CM link on a non-YMMV page - as a YMMV trope, it should not be linked on those pages regardless of any cleanup effort. The only exception is if the wick is being used within the definition of another trope.
    • If an CM link on a YMMV page refers to an unapproved character. If it refers to an approved character on any such page, the wick can stay. On the other hand, if the unapproved character being linked to sounds like they might have promise (and you don't feel like checking it out for yourself), feel free to mention it on the approval thread - someone may already know why they don't count, or it could invite a brand new discussion!
  • Proposals for images, quotes, and videos of already-approved CMs - quotes and images are proposed on the approval thread, while videos can be uploaded normally as they are screened for approval by the moderation.
  • Crosswicking examples to YMMV pages - if an example has already been approved and added to the main page, you do not require any special permission to add the example to a work's YMMV page (assuming the work has a page already). If a YMMV page doesn't exist yet, then you can make it yourself, but either way, feel free to just add the example without asking.
  • Small changes to existing entries - these can simply be done on a Troper's own prerogative with no approval.
    • Spelling and grammar fixes.
    • Pothole changes.
    • Minor rewordings.
    • Spoiler tags.

While these changes do not require any kind of approval, it is requested that should you make any of these changes, you do one of the following:

  1. Make the same changes on the relevant Sandbox page, then add the Sandbox to the list at the bottom of the drafts page. This will add the Sandbox to the weekly swaps and ensure that the edits end up on the relevant locked page. If the Sandbox is already listed, then once you make the edits, your job is already done!
  2. If you don't know how the Sandboxes work or simply don't have the time to find it, then you can simply post on the thread about the changes you made. Someone else can then make the edit on the relevant Sandbox and add it to the weekly swaps.
  3. Alternatively, you can simply request that the change be made directly to the locked page on the Locked Pages thread. Members of this thread keep track of that one, so we will ensure that the changes are made in the Sandbox so that it doesn't get deleted during the next swap.

Again, these changes don't require any approval, but we prefer to keep the entries on the YMMV pages and the locked pages the same in order to avoid any miscommunication or errors between entries, so if you do make the change, we would greatly appreciate it if you could ensure the change is made on the locked page as well.

As a final note, we do not care what other sites have to say regarding whether or not a character counts. We have our own criteria and they have theirs for their CM equivalents; while they are similar, they are not exactly the same and should not be treated as such. Another site removing a character from their equivalent should not be a reason why a cut is proposed here, and if this is the case, it will likely lead to mod intervention.

Other than this, once again, welcome to the cleanup thread, and we look forward to your contributions!


Edited by Mrph1 on Jan 14th 2024 at 11:30:03 AM

DoodSlayer136 Woagh from Pizza Tower (Experienced, Not Yet Jaded) Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
MGD107 Since: Feb, 2015
#13552: Apr 27th 2024 at 4:49:25 PM

Keep Bunny and Colm.

As for Barnes, I guess the question is does he go back to abusing his men after that scene? Cause he does look pretty distressed in that moment, but if he carries on the same afterwards I don't know if its enough to warrant cutting him.

Ravok Caesar Since: Jun, 2015 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
Caesar
#13553: Apr 27th 2024 at 4:58:13 PM

Keep Bunny and going my memory I thiiiink I'm overall fine with Barnes. A big part of Barnes' character is that he has genuinely seen some horrible shit, but he becomes a monster who will abuse and even kill his fellow soldiers by the end just to satisfy his vicious tendencies. I'm admittedly not a firm keep on him because, again, I think he's designed to be seen as a kind of broken character, but the evil he represents and goes on to act out really does overshadow bits like him smoking with a thousand yard stare, at least IMO.

WHAT A WONDERFUL DAY!
MasterWaldon Since: Apr, 2024
#13554: Apr 27th 2024 at 5:15:31 PM

Keep Bunny and Colm.

Also although he some may think he doesn't count, I am saying Keep Barnes as well. He does seem to be the type who although affected by the war to a certain extent, is still knowingly vicious. Compared to similar villains from the same genre who definitely are too broken like Colonel Kurtz, I think Barnes is fine, if only just.

Edited by MasterWaldon on Apr 27th 2024 at 11:07:19 AM

MasterJoseph Frolaytia X Qwenthur of Heavy Object from Not telling. Since: Mar, 2018
Frolaytia X Qwenthur of Heavy Object
EmperorGeode Not the Eye from A Galaxy far, far away Since: Oct, 2022 Relationship Status: On the prowl
Bullman "Cool. Coolcoolcool." Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
TurlesTheVegan from The Darkest Pit of the Underworld Since: Dec, 2023 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#13558: Apr 27th 2024 at 5:43:28 PM

Keep Colm, Bunny, and leaning for keeping Barnes as well.

CapitanoNox Lord of Space from Italy Since: Oct, 2018 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
Lord of Space
#13559: Apr 28th 2024 at 3:44:04 AM

I just realized I made a little mistake on Cruella's entry for 101 Dalmatian Street: it should be "compliment", not "complement".

ACW Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#13560: Apr 28th 2024 at 3:52:56 AM

You can change it at YMMV and the Sandbox.

CM Dates; CM Pending; CM Drafts
Rhino8888 Since: Mar, 2020
#13561: Apr 28th 2024 at 4:12:19 AM

I noticed that Evanpotter 09 made a new write-up for Agent Trout some pages ago (which having seen the movie I can confirm it's quite improved) but apparently forgot to add it to the drafts, so I added it myself, but I also decided to expand it a little bit on the events of the climax, is it cool?

  • We Bare Bears: The Movie: Agent Trout is the corrupt commander of National Wildlife Control who sees bears as "filthy mindless beasts". Trout has captured dozens of innocent bears and trapped them in his preserve, with the bears being left in harsh conditions and having various injuries. When Grizz, Panda, and Ice Bear accidentally start a blackout, Trout has them sent to his preserve, and starts a relentless pursuit of them when they escape. Upon finally catching them, Trout makes sure they will be in separate cages just to torment them. After his electric fence causes the preserve to catch on fire, and all the bears stack up to reach Officer Murphy's helicopter, Trout uses them to reach the helicopter and tries to leave the bears to die just to satisfy his xenophobia.

Edited by Rhino8888 on Apr 28th 2024 at 2:58:56 PM

Evanpotter09 Since: Sep, 2023 Relationship Status: It was only a kiss
#13562: Apr 28th 2024 at 5:55:17 AM

As the person who wrote the new write up, I’m okay with the change.

What, like it's hard?
ACW Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#13563: Apr 28th 2024 at 7:56:55 AM

  • We Bare Bears: The Movie: Agent Trout is the corrupt commander of National Wildlife Control who sees bears as "filthy mindless beasts". Trout has captured dozens of innocent bears and trapped them in his preserve, with the bears being left in harsh conditions and having various injuries. When Grizz, Panda, and Ice Bear accidentally start a blackout, Trout has them sent to his preserve, and starts a relentless pursuit of them when they escape. Upon finally catching them, Trout makes sure they will be in separate cages just to torment them. After his electric fence causes the preserve to catch on fire, and all the bears stack up to reach Officer Murphy's helicopter, Trout uses them to reach the helicopter and tries to leave the bears to die just to satisfy his xenophobia.
  • Unknown Worlds issue #33's "Don't Judge Until You Hear My Story!": Edward Jennings is an ambitious missile scientist from the 20th century who leads an expedition on Marlo IV in search of riches. He finds a civilisation which used nerve gas to enslave a race of giants. Edward pretends to be their friend before using atmosphere-burning bombs to wipe out all life on the planet and steal the gas in order to reduce Earth's people to his unthinking slaves. When a time anomaly takes him 60 years into the past, Edward doesn't miss the opportunity to gloat about his crimes to what he believes to be an alien, actually his granduncle Harry.
  • Mirage is evil incarnate, devoted only to proliferating misery and destroying all that is good. As an early testament to her evil, Mirage orders a village and its population incinerated in her debut just because of the crops they grow for the surrounding land. Mirage's plots range from the grandiose to the sadistically petty, everything from attempting to have all of Agrabah destroyed and brewing up civil wars for fun, to trying to destroy Aladdin and Jasmine's love for each other by slowly transforming Jasmine into a snake. Mirage even tempts children into her clutches, promising them immortality in exchange for becoming the monstrous El-Katib, a process she neglects to mention entails their eternal servitude in a dark void with release only three nights every seven years. Mirage has no issue abandoning the El-Katib to die, coldly leaving them all to perish in the sunlight when one of them finally defies her.
  • 101 Dalmatian Street: Cruella de Vil, the one and only Devil Woman, returns in this series to seek revenge on the descendants of Pongo and Perdita. The decades since the original movie have turned Cruella into a harridan by harridan's standards who now acts with full regard to the Dalmatians' sapience. Cruella plans to mince all 99 of the puppies in her very own skinning machine, intending to force their parents Doug and Delilah to watch the entire macabre process before turning them into "matching luggage". Cruella is also hideously abusive to her grand-nephew Hunter, at one point leaving him locked in a shipping container for six months with only dog food to eat, resulting in the poor kid undergoing Sanity Slippage. When he discovers that she actually intends to kill the puppies and calls her a monster. Cruella takes it as a compliment before ordering his henchmen to have him caged up with the puppies because she has grown bored of him.
  • Something More: Dr. Cassandra Gross is even worse than in canon. Engineering a deadly virus to wipe out the leaders of Hub Island and half the populace she used the accidental unleashing of it to further hers and Minerva's control over the humans, feeling proud of the death toll it caused. Years later, in order to find a good excuse to leave the islands and have humanity take back control of Earth, Gross manipulates the Hiders into indirectly getting Finn lost at sea and ending in Ooo so she could scout out the land in the guise of a rescue mission by manipulating Minerva. Gross sends out Seeker Kara first and installs a program to override her free will in case she backs out of the mission. When that fails, she opts to take matters into her own hands and goes to Ooo herself to wipe out all of its inhabitants, kidnapping many to use as guinea pigs and threatening Princess Bubblegum with eradicating her kingdom unless she joins her side. When Finn and his allies confront Gross, she remorselessly tries to kill him alongside his newfound friends when he refuses to aid in her goal of wiping out the "mutant freaks" of Ooo.
  • Avengers: Infinite Wars (Marvel Cinematic Universe & Star Wars): Ultron is a rogue, genocidal AI that decided the only way to achieve peace would be the extinction of all life. Upon being sent to the Galaxy Far Far Away alongside the Avengers, Ultron decides to restart his genocidal campaign on a universal scale. After launching an all-out, full-scale attack against all factions of the Civil War, Ultron attacks several planets and slaughters all of their inhabitants before revealing his master plan: an Assimilation Plot where he has been kidnapping and experimenting on both clones and Jedi to forcefully convert them into sentry/human hybrids using kyber crystals, while also killing and reviving his subjects until he gets his intended results. When Ultron invades Kamino, he forcefully converts Clone 99 and broadcasts the event to the galaxy in an attempt to drive them into despair before killing them, and bombards the planet with anti-matter bombs, killing all life on the planet. Even upon defeat, Ultron refuses to see the error in his atrocities and states that his only regret is not witnessing whatever horrors the heroes will be forced to go through in the future.
  • 1408: Room 1408 of the Dolphin Hotel is a sapient, mind-warping location. Tormenting anyone within it, the room has claimed 56 victims—whether they were Driven to Suicide or killed by it directly—using the images and corpses to torment and attack future victims. When Michael Enslin enters Room 1408 to write about it, the room locks him in and subjects him to rounds of psychological torture in between attempts on his life. To break him, the room shows him visions of his deceased daughter Katie, only to "kill" her again in his arms, lets him call his wife for help before it hijacks his video chat and winks at him afterward, and makes him believe he was free, only to reveal he was still trapped. Mockingly giving Michael "free will", Room 1408 gives him the choice to either kill himself or suffer within forever, taunting him that he will never escape. Though enigmatic in nature, the rare direct communication from the room paints it as a sadist enjoying its power.
  • D-War: Buraki is a destructive and malevolent Imoogi who seeks to become a Celestial Dragon by claiming the Yuh Yi Joo for himself so he can destroy Heaven and Earth and rebuild them in his own twisted image. When Heaven had the Yuh Yi Joo hidden inside of a young girl, Buraki had his army invade the girl's village and slaughter the villagers, including a young child, before chasing after the girl himself, leading to her and her guardian, Haram, committing suicide to stop him. Returning 500 years later, Buraki and his forces slaughter countless innocents out of pure sadism while hunting down Sarah Daniels, the modern reincarnation of the young girl. When his forces capture Sarah and her reincarnated guardian Ethan, Buraki attempts to devour the former to claim the Yuh Yi Joo before being disrupted by the chosen good Imoogi who was awakened to oppose him. During the battle, Buraki gains the upper hand and mortally wounds the noble serpent before resuming his diabolical ambitions.
  • I Am Wrath (2016): Lemuel "Lemi K" is a sadistic crime lord from Columbus, Ohio, who once ate a man's fingers in front of a rival gang. Retrieving an incriminating video of the Governor's son, Lemi K uses the video to blackmail the governor into letting him and his gang commit any atrocities they like without facing repercussions; as such, crime dramatically increases throughout Columbus, with Lemi K and his crew killing dozens of innocent people. On the Governor's behalf, Lemi K has his men kill Vivian Hill and her husband Stanley, and when Lemi K learns that the latter has survive and is seeking revenge on Lemi's gang, he cuts off a finger from one of his own men for not telling him about this sooner and goes after Stanley's family, eventually holding them hostage and killing Stanley's teenage niece himself.
  • Monkey Man:
    • Baba Shatki is an insidious spiritual guru who hides his cruelty behind a mask of faith. A celebrity amongst the populace who rose from nothing, Baba uses his ties to the rising Sovereign Party to spread corruption across India, encouraging violence against trans citizens and non-Hindus in order to purify his country of undesirables, while secretly profiting off of Queenie's prostitution and drug running operations. Baba has several villages wiped out by his police squads in order to build factories over the lands, even converting surviving villagers into members of his cult and using them for slave labor. Baba's thirst for power has ultimately ruined the lives of many, with Kid's village being one of many he's destroyed.
    • Rana Singh is the crooked chief of police who assists Baba Shatki in his plans. Carrying out Baba's corruption by allowing his cops to abuse trans civilians and Muslims in return for drugs and women, Rana also leads the massacres of several villages in order to build Baba's factories over their land. Rana even attempted to rape Kid's mother during a previous pillage, and when she retaliated, Rana angrily strangled her to death and burned her body for good measure.
  • The First Omen: Cardinal Lawrence is the leader of a conspiracy within the Catholic Church. His outwardly friendly demeanor masks a depraved and calculating mind that is responsible for some unspeakable crimes. On Lawrence's orders, over a dozen women are raped by a demonic jackal with the goal of creating an Antichrist who will prove so terrifying that people will have no choice but to turn away from secularism and back to the Church. Given that the conspiracy is ultimately successful with the birth of Damien, Lawrence can be blamed for the many innocent lives lost throughout the series.
  • Redemption (aka Hummingbird): Max Forrester is a Serial Killer who purchases prostitutes and sex slaves from Human Traffickers whom he would proceed to beat up, rape, and kill before dumping their corpses in a river. He would then repeat his murderous cycle, racking up a body count in the dozens, including a homeless girl that Joseph Smith befriended.
  • Radiant Emperor Duology, by Shelley Parker-Chan: Chen Youliang is Zhu Chongba's most dangerous and personal nemesis. Plotting alongside Zhu and weaving through the deadly decadence of their faction's courts, Chen thinks nothing of ensuring his rivals' deaths and even going so far as to see one skinned alive before their peers while he smiles. After seemingly dying after Zhu betrays him, Chen forms a power base to fight Zhu's own and sends a message to Zhu by severing many of his own soldiers' arms. After this, Chen proceeds to mutilate bodies and dump them under the ocean water to make a barrier of agonized, trapped souls that will horrifically kill anyone who crosses it. When Zhu finally confronts him, Chen murders her best friend and honorary brother Xu Da and mocks her about it, still devoted to claiming power for himself at any cost and tormenting anyone who would dare to oppose him.
  • "DON'T LET THE BELLHOPS BITE": The Hotel Manager runs a hotel in the Dark Dimension, staffed by the Murder Monkeys. Having had countless previous guests torn apart, the Manager taunts the latest arrival before sending the Monkeys after them, prompting a wild chase, ending with yet another victim.
  • JT Music:
    • Amanda the Adventurer song "You're the Answer": The Demon, Paimon, is portrayed here as a Sadistic and violent entity who possessed Rebecca—aka Amanda—within the animated show, using its powers to kidnap children en masse and suck them into the television. Psychologically torturing Rebecca and Wooly, who is heavily implied to have been a person once, Paimon takes control of Rebecca through Amanda as it proceeds to kill Wooly when he attempts to warn the viewer before turning into a monster, attacking and eating the viewer in the end.
    • Five Nights at Freddy's song "Reflection": The Mimic is a narcissistic, mechanical Serial Killer who took up the mantle of "Springtrap". Having been designed to be a robotic assistant, it studied and became obsessed with violence, particularly the crimes of William Afton. The Mimic went on a brutal killing spree, replicating some of William's murders, and brutally killing several more people. It boasts of having a body count so high, that the list is "almost bottomless". The Mimic would use its digital avatar to infect the animatronics at the Pizzaplex, corrupting and robbing them of their autonomy. It would use the pizzaplex animatronics to continue killing, with 3 of its victims' souls being trapped within the Pizzaplex's wet floor signs. After being sealed away, the Mimic would infect a girl named Cassie and manipulated her into freeing it.
  • "Papa" is the entity behind SCP-6618. Having kidnapped James Vane, "Papa" subjects him to severe psychological and physical torture under the guise of "disciplining" Vane, causing a slow regression in the latter's mental state. After Vane attempts to escape his abuser, "Papa" punishes him by repeatedly throwing him to the floor, heavily injuring his body, while also gaslighting Vane into thinking "Papa" loves him. When the Foundation investigates "Papa's" cabin, they find boxes filled with other SCP-6618 instances, televisions displaying similar videos to the ones on SCP-6618 and a pit containing at least several hundred corpses, Vane's among them. All of these corpses are wailing like infants, even after some of them have rotted away, with others being crushed to the point of near liquification and granularization, and are only able to cry for their Papa, who has long since left his "babies" to rot.
  • What If The Clone Army Did NOT Have Inhibitor Chips For Order 66 (link): Palpatine, after finding that Order 66 was sabotaged and the clone troopers are coming to arrest him, slaughters every one that comes after him on his way to escape. Initiating his contingency plan, Palpatine arrives at the Republic Cruiser carrying an imprisoned Darth Maul, and releases him, killing Ahsoka on their way out. Killing Maul once the latter introduced to the Shadow Collective to become their new leader, Palpatine attacks Kamino to try to destroy the cloning facilities. Confronted by a redeemed Anakin Skywalker, Obi-Wan Kenobi, and Plo Koon, Palpatine is finally killed when a wave from a crashed ship distracts him.
  • Superman (2023): Dr. Pharm is a callous scientist and rival to Lex Luthor himself, planning to upstage and ruin Lex. Pharm kidnaps and horrifically experiments on hundreds of homeless people to carry out his plans. Pharm torturously experiments on Parasite to cause him to multiply and drain people of energy and endanger Metropolis. Pharm later experiments on and amplifies Silver Banshee's scream, against her will, to attack the city. Later capturing Toyman, Pharm tortures him to take control of his robots and try and destroy the city. Pharm ultimately attacks LexCorp and reveals that he plans to unleash a lethal Kryptonite-infused virus on the city and blame the resultant mass casualties on Lex to ruin his reputation, all out of spite.
  • LIZZIE: Andrew Jackson Borden, the father of Lizzie and Emma, is portrayed as a monstrously abusive father who doesn't care about his family. Abusing his children for years, he would neglect them and keep them away from the outside world in order to keep them under his control. Andrew Bordens's most monstrous crime, however, is that he would repeatedly rape Lizzie, to the point where she is driven insane and murders him and her stepmother.
  • The Flower Collectors: Haussmann is a former member of the Policía Armada now seeking to become an elected official of Spain. As a police officer, Haussmann was in charge of a unit called the Flower Collectors, whose goal was to repress anyone who challenged or opposed the Nationalist Party. During his tenure, many officers wound up arresting or abusing hundreds of people over the span of three years; more than a dozen civilians were killed during the raids. After becoming a politician, Haussmann used his influence over the police to continue harassing and arresting activists and revolutionaries, even going as far as bribing a club owner to sell out her patrons and threatening anyone who knew of his illegal crimes to keep their mouths shut. When a former officer tries to release a list of victims Haussmann was responsible for killing to the press, he has the man murdered and attempts to silence all of the people who witnessed the crime.
  • The Count of Years: Amnās, an evil spirit originally associated with the night sky and the only witness to Ecaîas's creation of evil, brings the news to the creator Iáinos, gloating that his creations have outsmarted him and ruined his universe. When Amnās is made to stay on Almea's surface until he atones for his gloating, he furiously swears revenge on his maker and all who are loyal to him, and creates Soxāeco to assist him in ruining Almea as much as possible. They create the race of Ogres after learning that Iáinos created the Giants, and have them wipe both species out in a war. Amnās creates the race of ktuvoks as soon as he finds out that Iáinos's second species, the iliū, are even greater than the Giants. Amnās creates the ktuvoks to keep slaves by nature, as well as to kill and eat iliu children. He then tells the ktuvoks to destroy the iliū, which plunges Almea into thousands of years of war. When the elcari are made, Amnās steals their children and brainwashes them into worshipping him and waging war on their own parents. Amnās whispers temptations into the ear of the human king Līxigōcas, so that he declares war on the iliū, making the entire human race fall into sin permanently. Amnās then uses a superweapon to wipe one of the repentant human kingdoms off the map, changing it from fertile land into a desert. He then gets into a Duel to the Death with the king of the iliū and kills him, before burrowing deep underground in order to free Ecaîas, knowing that this will destroy all life on Almea, willing to have all his own creations destroyed instead of letting his enemies continue to live on Almea. Amnās's war destroys all civilization and brings humanity back to the Stone Age for 10,000 years.
  • Chicken Feet: Eric is the head of GOOBER Laboratories obsessed with absolute perfection. All but said to have transformed a man into a crazed chicken, Cooper, Eric experimented on a baby, Sebastian, for 20 years, turning him into an Artificial Human who is deformed and pained, and plans to redo this on another baby. Sending interns to their deaths when Cooper breaks out, Eric plans to get rid of both the protagonist and Sebastian when the latter contains the chicken, and even when killed, Sebastian commits suicide when realizing he's a human, just like Eric.
  • Norse-era duology: Odin, the self-proclaimed All-Father of the Nine Realms, wears the mask of a wise, friendly sage, but is actually a controlling narcissist who seeks ultimate knowledge and power, and only values those who further this cause. Lord of the Aesir who turned his people against their creator Ymir, Odin drowned the Jötnar race in Ymir's blood in a bigoted attempt to "cleanse" the Realms of Giants. Crafting Midgard and beginning a campaign of brutal conquest, Odin forced Svartalfheim to craft war machines by enslaving the dwarves; threw Helheim out of balance and caused the Desolation by corrupting the Valkyries into insanity; and lead repeated genocide attempts against both the realm of Vanaheim and the repopulated Jötnar. Odin created his "eyes" by having mortal followers sacrifice their children so that their souls would be trapped as Odin's "spies" forever. Odin has a knack for abusing and ruining those he "loves", from tricking the huntress Skaði into murdering her own father; to torturing Mimir daily for over a century; to damning his wife Freya to be trapped, defenseless, on Midgard while her people believe she abandoned them. Odin's immediate family fare no better, as he "thrashed" his son Thor to raise him into an alcoholic killing machine, and regularly throws his other children or grandchildren into danger while deriding them as "useless" if they die. In his quest to avert his prophesied doom from Ragnarök, Odin turns Kratos's son Atreus against his father; uses hundreds of Midgardians as human shields; stabs the beloved Brok to death, and even murders Thor when he refuses Odin's order to "not think; just kill who I tell you to kill!" A petty tyrant who mistreats everyone and everything in service of himself, Odin is described as never having loved anyone, and even when redemption is offered, he promises to never stop his mad quest for omnipotence.
  • Parkour Civilization (link): Protagonist Evbo's predecessor as the Parkour Champion and leader of the titular civilization overthrew the previous champion by cheating in a parkour battle, after which he made radical changes to the rules of Parkour Civilization. Under his rule, anyone who falls into the void gets sent to prison, where before they simply respawned to try again, and prisoners are forced to constantly jump over a lake of lava, occasionally being chosen to test-run new parkour courses and potentially fall to their deaths. Noobs are subjected to mandatory parkour checks each day for food, while Pros must perform daily tasks or face punishment by being forced to partake in a parkour battle to the death against a Master. Paranoid of losing his power, the Champion does everything to keep the lower ranks where they are by sabotaging the paths of advancement, even sending an assassin to kill Evbo when the latter overcomes the sabotage. When he faces Evbo in a parkour battle, the Champion quickly resorts to cheating with invisible barriers, sending Evbo back down to the Noob level, where Evbo discovers the Champion had cut off the food and other supplies for both Noobs and Pros, condemning two-thirds of Parkour Civilization to starvation. After Evbo returns for a rematch and starts winning, the Parkour Champion refuses to admit defeat and tries to kill both of them in a Suicide Attack.
  • Delusions of Grandeur:
    • Original: Razanak is a vengeful evil spirit that plans on preying on Fox McCloud's want to be the King of Smash to use him as a tool of vengeance. Threatening Fox when the latter says he doesn't want to hurt his friends, Razanak corrupts him and uses him to attack multiple fighters and start a fight that leads to Mewtwo accidentally killing Pichu. After trying to use Marth to kill Fox after an attempt to control Fox again fails, Razanak spitefully erases all the fighters except Fox from existence.
    • Remake & The Demon Of Delusion prequel: Razanak is a vile demon who has razed numerous worlds by corrupting individuals into serving as his pawns. Approaching the disinherited prince of Drochal, Arulo, Razanak convinces the embittered royal to try and usurp the throne, first by killing his father and then helping him brainwash an army to seize the throne by force, devastating the capital city and killing numerous in the process, killing Arulo afterwards once the latter feels regret for his crimes. Later on, Razanak latches onto Fox McCloud and gives him the power and idea to brainwash the Smashers he feels have wronged him, his machinations leading to the death of Pichu. After Fox is exiled for his crimes, Razanak forcibly takes control of his body to escape their prison and tries to kill Mewtwo for foiling his scheme. After Fox escapes his control, Razanak possesses Roy to kill him and the forces allied against him before attempting to finish the job himself.
  • Fright Krewe:
    • Belial is a demon who feeds on fear, and serves as the most recurring foe the Krewe face. Centuries ago, Belial manipulated the victimized human Pierre D'Rousseau into making a deal for power; Belial proceeded to lock Pierre inside his own mind and take control of the man's body for his own use. Belial caused a number of tragedies so he could consume the terror of innocents—from an outbreak of yellow fever that killed thousands, to burning down a schoolhouse—and when a headmistress tried to interfere, Belial punished her by removing her mouth and trapping her ghost in the school. Revived in the present day, Belial allies with Mayor Furst to create a supernatural race war, planning to wipe out both sides in a brutal fashion, while getting many innocents caught in the crossfire. Orchestrating Furst's death when he outlives his usefulness, Belial then summons a variety of horrific demons to endanger vast swathes of people, and often manipulates hapless humans into helping him along. After corrupting and toying with the Krewe for the whole show, Belial forces them to destroy the Tree of Life to unleash his full power, at which point he traps them all in their greatest fears—ranging from dying alone, to being forced to choose between saving their mother or their baby sibling. Belial ultimately plans to trap all the citizens of New Orleans into unending nightmares for him to feast on and spread his influence worldwide.
    • Season 2:
      • The Reveler is a giggling demon of excess and chaos who is summoned by Belial to be his chief servant in terrorizing New Orleans. Capable of controlling the bodies of humans with his beaded necklaces that leave his victims' minds aware that their bodies are being puppetted, the Reveler is introduced nearly killing two people to lure the Krewe out. The Reveler endangers a variety of innocents through the series for fun as much as for Belial's plans, to such a point Belial has to hold the Reveler back. The Reveler at one point takes control of dozens of people and threatens them all with self-harm to force the Krewe into compliance, and he gleefully uses a giant, mechanized golem to try to kill a gathering of the city's rougarou, vampire, and human population all at once.
      • "The Bridge" & "The Return": Antoinette du Sang is a vicious vampire. A former friend of Fiona's who believes vampires should remain feral killers, Antoinette, upon finding out Fiona fell in love with a human, slaughtered an entire ballroom of people and spitefully turned Fiona's lover into a vampire. Freed from her imprisonment by Belial, Antoinette happily assists him in terrorizing New Orleans and murdering anybody she can get a hold of. Antoinette threatens to murder Stanley's mother if they don't leave her alone, before promising Fiona that she'll kill everybody she loves.
      • "The Collection" & "The Escape": Gilda is a demon passing as an unassuming old lady whose modus operandi is to prey on the desperate. In exchange for nothing but a simple painting, Gilda will magically solve whatever catastrophe is going on in her clients' lives. Only then does she double around to reveal the true price of her deals: She traps the souls of her unfortunate victims in the painting, where they meet all manners of horrifying deaths before Gilda eats their remaining years and leaves their souls trapped in the painting. A master of Exact Words, Gilda has been doing this song-and-dance for decades, and she's tricked countless dozens into joining the gallery of ever-screaming paintings she has framed in her shop.
  • Sentinels-related:
    • The original Master Mold was designed as the overlord of the Sentinels, meant to head up the capture of mutants across Earth, until it gained sapience and became a threat to the whole planet. Deciding to exterminate all mutants, the Master Mold plans to then lead the Sentinels in conquering humankind itself, and forces its horrified creator Bolivar Trask to help it in this goal lest it destroy half of America one city at a time. Though seemingly destroyed, the Master Mold is restarted by Steven Lang's brainwaves, and begins a new murder spree against humans and mutants alike. The Master Mold tries to unleash a lethal virus that will painfully kill all mutants, and when it learns that the virus has evolved to target humans as well, the Master Mold shrugs it off and notes that a small percentage of humans will survive that it can enslave.
    • Bastion is a seemingly-human enemy of all mutantkind, whose hatred for them extends into unbridled sadism. Bastion was born from a magical merging of Master Mold and the more sympathetic Nimrod into an organic, amnesiac being, and though raised by a compassionate human woman, Bastion still developed an egotistical, prejudiced desire to destroy mutants and Take Over the World. Creating "Zero Tolerance", Bastion used the operation to carry out the systematic kidnapping of, experimentation on, and execution of dozens of mutants, notably subjecting Professor X and the teenaged Jubilee to weeks of sensory deprivation and Mind Rape. Bastion's preferred method of targeting mutants is by framing them for acts of terrorism he himself commits, such as trying to slaughter a camp of his own followers and their families to pin it on Rogue; or by using a virus to force innocent mutants' powers to go into out of control and kill hundreds of humans around them. Bastion further creates "Prime Sentinels" by kidnapping and turning humans into cyborg sleeper agents, killing any of them who regain their sapience, and plans to transform all of humankind into these hollowed-out drones when he succeeds. Later reviving a variety of mutant haters, Bastion keeps them as his slaves even as some beg for death, then tries to annihilate 800,000 humans just to kill a pocket of mutants. Even when he discovers a future where mutants no longer exist, Bastion deliberately travels to the past so he can painfully, horrifically "evolve" millions of humans into mutants, just so he will always have mutants to torture and butcher.

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Ghal-Sur Since: Jan, 2023
#13564: Apr 28th 2024 at 8:36:34 AM

It’s too late, but cut out the duo of Fallout, Sego Makishima (sad to lose KM White Hair, Black Heart, but I plan to check another similar villain in the coming days and if he matters, then at least there will be a replacement), Raven Keeper , John Leslie, Etelgar , Bill Cox (great job Robert) and a sad cut for Maw. I agree with Master N, it’s wildly infuriating when an important characteristic for a villain (which turns out to be disqualifying) is hidden in some unnoticed place or, as in the case of Turbo (which is even worse) in a very complex part of the work. I remember similar cases with Admiral Ana Benitez from Far Cry 6, Malan from Stasis and Maze Meister in Mister Maze.

Wet Flannels:As far as I remember, the final film said that Arcadia (and therefore the entire Earth) is the heart of the universe and that if the Earth changes, then the entire universe will change. That is, if Skrael were successful, he would turn both the Earth and the entire universe into an ice kingdom, the same with Bellroc. In any case, the Apocalypse, even in relation to Earth, is still easily quite bad.

Robert TYL:It's funny, but when you offered your Maw for removal, I immediately thought of Turbo Overkill. Let's talk about cruel irony.

I have a little clarification about the villains from Fallout New Vegas, in particular a little clarification of the crime for Father Elijah and a rewrite for the Omerta bosses (half of the entry explains more about their motives, which can be done much more briefly with their actions).

  • Nero and his right-hand man Big Sal are the power-hungry bosses of Omerta. Unhappy with Mr. House's dominance over them, Nero and Sal conspire with Vulpes Incult and Caesar's Legion to exterminate the entire population of New Vegas in hopes of gaining complete control of the city. Killing anyone who goes against Omertas and accusing a person of murder in order to blackmail him into working for them, Nero and Sal assign the mercenary Clanden to make chlorine bombs, in exchange for secretly giving him prostitutes to rape, torture and kill.

  • Father Elijah is a former elder of the Brotherhood of Steel to the Mojave, who sacrificed hundreds of his people in the battle for HELIOS. After leaving the battle, Elijah finds the legendary casino of the Sierra Madre and kidnaps dozens of people, attaching slave collars to their necks and using them as "Cannon Fodder" for the defense of the Sierra Madre, exploding their heads if they fail their mission. Once the Courier reaches the Sierra Madre, Elijah orders him/her to kill the allies who helped them, and later tries to kill the Courier himself for outliving usefulness. Elijah seeks to use Sierra Madre technology to kill all the people in the Mojave and then build a new nation in which every person is captured and forced to obey him.

Edited by Ghal-Sur on Apr 28th 2024 at 8:52:34 AM

MGD107 Since: Feb, 2015
#13565: Apr 28th 2024 at 9:03:14 AM

Fallout Rewrites look good. Just make two suggestions for Nero and Big Sal's, first I feel simply saying "and accusing a person of murder in order to blackmail him into working for them" doesn't quite grasp the scale. They flat out murder one of their own prostitutes and set it up so they wake up believing they did whilst high, and their them to smuggle them weapons in preparation for the big attack.

Maybe "framing" might work better?

Second I kind of feel it should be mentioned they also deliberately get people addicted to chems so they can force them into prostitution, and treat their prostitutes like slaves to the point of killing them when they try to escape (their aforementioned victim being one example, and their being an entire mission where you do so).

Edited by MGD107 on Apr 28th 2024 at 9:09:02 AM

papyru30 The wifi here sucks from South Dakota for school Since: Aug, 2016 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
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#13566: Apr 28th 2024 at 9:06:04 AM

Not feeling the rewrites. I think the current entries are fine the way they are.

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Ghal-Sur Since: Jan, 2023
#13567: Apr 28th 2024 at 10:06:37 AM

[up]I personally don’t like that in Sal and Nero’s entry, 1/3 of the entry is devoted to explaining that their alliance with the Legion is self-serving, when it could be replaced by a couple of words. Plus, as MGD 107 noted, their accusation is more disgusting and does not reflect the full scale. They are unlikely to be bothered by the addition.

[up][up]Thank you very much, okay I’ll add it then.Wow, they're worse than I thought. Thank you very much again for this important information. I haven't played New Vegas (but I'm planning to in the next few days) so I didn't know. This is at least definitely worth mentioning.

To be honest, I decided to make two options. The first is the original post, but without mentioning that their motives are selfish. The second is an addition to my rewritten post.

  • Nero and his right-hand man Big Sal are the power-hungry bosses of the Omerta family. The Omertas' only rule is "don't go against the family", which is punishable by death, in order to eliminate anyone who might get in the way of the bosses' plans. Such plans include secretly working for Caesar's Legion to wipe out the entire population of New Vegas once the Battle of Hoover Dam begins, with the promise that they will gain control of the city. They also framed a man for murder in order to blackmail him into working for them, get their prostitutes addicted to drugs to make them dependent on their bosses, and hand them over to Clanden to rape, torture and kill.

or

  • Nero and his right-hand man Big Sal are the power-hungry bosses of Omerta. Unhappy with Mr. House's dominance over them, Nero and Sal conspire with Vulpes Incult and Caesar's Legion to exterminate the entire population of New Vegas in hopes of gaining complete control of the city. Killing anyone who goes against Omertas and killing one of his prostitutes and framing the man for murder in order to blackmail him into working for them, Nero and Sal assign the mercenary Clanden to make chlorine bombs, in exchange for secretly giving him prostitutes to rape, torture and kill. By deliberately making people addicted to chemicals to force them into prostitution, they treat their prostitutes as slaves and have them killed when they try to escape.

Edited by Ghal-Sur on Apr 28th 2024 at 10:14:48 AM

papyru30 The wifi here sucks from South Dakota for school Since: Aug, 2016 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
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#13568: Apr 28th 2024 at 10:25:28 AM

This may just be a different approach I have to write ups but the original is a more engaging read (and isn't that long even with the stuff on their motives) so I'd be more interested in adding the extra crimes to it rather than a complete rewrite.

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PassingThrough Since: Feb, 2024
#13569: Apr 28th 2024 at 10:34:28 AM

I also prefer the current entries, good suggestion but I don't think they need to be altered.

TurlesTheVegan from The Darkest Pit of the Underworld Since: Dec, 2023 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#13570: Apr 28th 2024 at 10:40:48 AM

Gonna also agree with keeping the writeups as they are.

Ghal-Sur Since: Jan, 2023
#13571: Apr 28th 2024 at 11:08:46 AM

[up][up][up]Good entry, I just don't think an explanation of their motives is so necessary. In that case, here is my last option and I hope the best.

I removed the explanation of their motives, added a pothole for Sal and Nehru, and added additional crimes that MGD 107 talked about. Thoughts?

  • Nero and his right-hand-man Big Sal are the power-hungry Omerta family bosses. The only rule the Omertas have is "don't go against the family", which is punishable by death, but rather than emphasize loyalty, it is instead intended to keep others from standing in the way of the bosses' plans. Such plans involve secretly working for Caesar's Legion to massacre the entire population in New Vegas as soon as the battle at Hoover Dam begins, with a promise that they'll have control over the city. They also deliberately make people addicted to chemicals in order to force them into prostitution, killed one of their prostitutes and framed a man for murder to blackmail him into working for them, get their prostitutes addicted to drugs to force them to be dependent upon their bosses, and give them to Clanden to be raped, tortured and killed and send his thugs to kill the prostitutes who try to escape.

Edited by Ghal-Sur on Apr 28th 2024 at 11:09:29 AM

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#13572: Apr 28th 2024 at 11:10:21 AM

[up]I like this. Flows nicely like the old one but adds new stuff.

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papyru30 The wifi here sucks from South Dakota for school Since: Aug, 2016 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
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#13573: Apr 28th 2024 at 11:35:29 AM

I like it as well. I would trim "deliberately make people addicted to chemicals in order to force them into prostitution," because the write up already mentions them hooking the prostitutes on drugs later in the sentence.

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#13574: Apr 28th 2024 at 11:44:03 AM

Nero and his right-hand man Big Sal are the power-hungry bosses of the Omertas. Unhappy with Mr. House's dominance over them, Nero and Big Sal conspire with Vulpes Inculta and Caesar's Legion to exterminate the entire population of New Vegas in hopes of gaining complete control of the city, killing anyone who goes against the Omertas. Big Sal kills one of their prostitutes and frames Troike for the murder in order to blackmail him into working for them, Nero and Sal assign the mercenary Clanden to make chlorine bombs, in exchange for secretly giving him prostitutes to rape, torture, and kill. By deliberately making people addicted to chemicals to force them into prostitution, Nero and Big Sal treat their prostitutes as slaves and have them killed when they try to escape.

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#13575: Apr 28th 2024 at 12:15:55 PM

miraculous and papyru30: Thank you very much.

papyru30: the thing is that these are different. Through drugs, they make prostitutes addicted to them, and through chemicals, they make people become prostitutes. It's a similar principle, but completely different.


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