Fix Up Example Indentation Wherever It Is

Sorry I forgot about this thread until now. Did you mean to delete both parts of that entry or the indented part below the main part?

While I'm on the subject, here's another from An Officer and a Gentleman:

From Drunk on the Dark Side:

• Self-proclaimed Phoenix King Ozai from Avatar: The Last Airbender acts this way when Sozin's Comet comes into close orbit with the planet:
  "I have all the power in the WOOOOOOOOOOOORRRRRLD!!!"
  • He was a raging sociopath long before the comet... it's just now he had enough firepower to really let it out.
    • Being voiced by Mark frakking HAM-mil helps.
  • In The Legend of Korra, Unalaq really enjoys wielding Vaatu's power as the "Dark Avatar".

A few justifying edits here. Don't exactly trust myself to reformat this without accidentally leaving something crucial out.

All of this is ZCE anyway.

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• Ghostapo:
  • Archangel Gabriel's angels were trying to help Gabriel become a new God. They help the Angeloi's Inquisition, the Gestapo, and the Angeloi's allies kill minorities, heretics, loyalists, and rebellious angels that are against Gabriel's agenda, though it's partly because their opposition is helping to preserve the Angeloi's opponent, the Reich.

  • In a less fantastical manner, the Angeloi most interested in the occult was Heinrich Himmler, while Angelos personally had very little interest in the subject, mostly seeing the dramatic and political implications of secret societies and banning all that didn't support his reign. While he admired the Teutonic myths, his intention was not to replace Christianity with a dead religion, but to get the state to absorb all the properties of a religion, much like the Soviet Commune had done, at least for starters - one can only speculate what would have followed if he had won, or WWII had ended in a stalemate. Some state papers the Central Powers discovered after the fall of Berlin discussed either "Aryanizing" Christianity or completely replacing it with a new religion centered around Angelos, whom the Angeloi would proclaim is the Germanic Roman messiah.

• Soviet Superscience:
  • Justified, Parodied, Exaggerated, Played Straight, and Downplayed in Part 4. the Soviet Commune, northernmost country of Europe, is filled with the Russians who developed more advanced technology. at a slightly faster pace than most other nations, since that was pretty much the only way to survive the environment, as well as having Angels helping them develop technology to resist the Angeloi. The Soviets even got the Nuke in 1944, while the Loyalists had to play catch up and only got it in 1948! That too is justified, as they have stolen those nukes from the Angeloi.

  • Zen attempted to avert this trope in the narrative, but this trope was actually Inverted in most of the Cold War, in Part 5. It took the Soviet Commune 1950 until they actually create a nuke, while it took the Loyalists 1948 to create a nuke. Near the end of the Cold War, The Soviet Commune is depicted as technologically backwards due to ideology and bureaucracy getting in the way of science. At one point in the Cold War, THEY WEREN'T EVEN A GREAT POWER! It took Valentin to avert the worst of the bloat and bring back the Soviet Commune into relevance.

• Weird Trade Union: There were Angeloi/Rasa trade unions in the 1920's to 1930's. They are serious about being Fascist, and they lobby for ways to discriminate against cultures other than the main one. Again, it's a trade union... for Fascists.

• Athens and Sparta: Part 5, The Holy Roman Empire of Jerusalem is the Sparta here. Jerusalem has the worst living standards in the world, is built on patriotic citizen soldiers and mercenaries alike, has industrialized killing fields that put the Rasa and The Khmer Rouge to shame, and is built on theocratic, nationalist ideology against Meritocracy/Democracy. Despite this, Jerusalem is somehow the most powerful nation in the world. The ability of Jerusalemite subversion is legendary. The Central Asian Confederation and the Eimerican Federation are the Athens. both the Central Asian Confederation and the Eimerican Federation are Meritocratic Federations built to help each other in meritocratic examinations and in general defending their country, as well as having high living standards and are the new forebearers of Meritocracy/Democracy after the Reich fell into totalitarianism.

• What the Romans Have Done for Us: Part 4-5: World War 2 onwards, China's economy is much stronger than it was before it was a military dictatorship, pushing back the Reich, and even almost defeating the Angeloi! That's something that was never done in World War 1, as in World War 1 they were pushed around by the Reich! On the other hand, China's oppression of the native population caused a lack of innovation leading to China losing the space race.

Edited by OrrorSANESS on Feb 6th 2023 at 7:35:24 AM

What do you guys think of this?

The following needs breaking up. With what's present here, I have enough context for the Massages entry and Blake's White Sheep entry. Jaune doesn't fit the trope in the latter fic because he doesn't know his harem even exists. Can anyone give additional context on how Jaune feels about his harems in Our Beloved Musician and Weiss Reacts?

• Jaune Arc becomes this in a lot of RWBY fanfics. Prominent ones include Massages, where through his skill with massages, he gets the affections of Yang, Blake, Pyrrha, Weiss, Ruby, Velvet, and Glynda. He finds this very uncomfortable, especially since the boys get jealous and try to beat him up. Another is Our Beloved Musician, where this time it's music skills. And everyone of Team RWBY, Pyrrha, Velvet and an OC Team all fall for him.
  • In The Reactsverse fanfic Weiss Reacts set in RWBY, Jaune's harem consists of Pyrrha, Minako, Weiss and her sister Winter. He also has Ship Tease with Miltiades, Yang, Blake, Weiss' other sister, Original Character Elsa, and, Ren.
  • White Sheep (RWBY):
    • Jaune is the object of affection for Ruby, Pyrrha, Yang, and Velvet. He doesn't even notice. Cinder is a Tsundere Clingy Jealous Girl but it's probably platonic. Blake has some attraction to his Grimm form (or more specifically, the tentacles), but it doesn't go anywhere. Emerald also briefly claims to be in his "harem" when she realizes it's the only thing keeping his sister Sapphire from killing her. Weiss is one of the only girls who doesn't have any romantic interest in him at all, so of course she's the one he ends up in a Fake Relationship with.
    • Ren as well. Nora of course constantly tries to get him to notice her feelings, but there's also Jaune's sister Lavender, some repeated Not What It Looks Like moments with Blake, and even the High Leader of the White Fang Sienna Khan. Like Jaune, he never notices.
    • Blake ends up with Sun and Ilia following her around for the latter half of the story. She does notice, but puts up with it because they're helpful.

Edited by badtothebaritone on Feb 21st 2023 at 12:49:00 PM

I'm not familiar with any of the works, so perhaps just rewrite the valid ones.

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Several entries on Famous Last Words that are single entries for a work are improperly indented, most of the "stray sub-level bullet" variety. For example: If these are incorrect ^note (I mean, it appears as if almost every singular example here is formatted this way) they should be easy fixes, but there's also instances of this: In Video Games, this is for alternate routes. In Anime & Manga, they appear to be for medium-specific lines. Any advice on how to handle these?

If the single level-2 bullets are bad form here too, those can be dealt with first.

Edited by BlackFaithStar on Mar 3rd 2023 at 4:40:01 AM

Pantheon Wick Cleaning | "And your Lord never forgets." - 19:64

Maybe the third bullet point should be cut and the different version should be kept in a note. I could be wrong, though.

EDIT:Np.

Edited by RandomTroper123 on Mar 29th 2023 at 10:30:21 AM

I think that sounds like a good compromise, though maybe I'll wait if there's more opinion on this (or when I can clean up later). Thank you

Pantheon Wick Cleaning | "And your Lord never forgets." - 19:64

I wonder if the indentation on the following entry from the RoleEndingMisdemeanor.Sports page might need to be looked at?

• On September 22, 2022, the Boston Celtics suspended head coach Ime Udoka for the 2022-23 season. While Celtics fans were initially surprised by the suspension's length, they felt it was justified after further details explaining why Udoka got the suspension were revealed. During Udoka's first season as head coach in the NBA and only season actually coaching for the Celtics, it turned out he had improper intimate relationships with multiple women working within the team, which the team initially thought was consensual at first. One of the women in question later suggested Udoka made unwanted comments toward her, which further led to the suspension, with his head coach role being replaced by a young assistant coach named Joe Mazzulla throughout the entirety of the season. Despite the length, however, Udoka did not resign from the team at that point in time.
  • Weirdly enough, due to the suspension being made by the Celtics themselves and not by the NBA as a whole, it didn't lead to Udoka being removed from coaching for any other team during that season if the option allowed for it. After a few games into the start of the season, the Brooklyn Nets fired head coach Steve Nash on November 7, 2022 after a disappointing 2-5 start to their season with superstar players Kevin Durant and Kyrie Irving finally playing with Ben Simmons in action. This led to the Nets conducting their own investigation into Udoka and asking for the Celtics' permission to speak with him while allowing assistant coach Jacque Vaughn to be their interim head coach during that time. Despite the Celtics allowing Udoka to leave without requiring anything back for his services, the Nets reigned back on the Udoka plan and allow Vaughn to permanently coach the team after some Nets employees expressed concerns with Udoka's return to their coaching staff. Meanwhile, the Celtics under Mazzulla 7-3 by the time the Nets went back on their initial plans at the time. Between Mazzulla's head coaching record (to the point where he even coached Team Giannis for the 2023 NBA All-Star Game and entered the 2023 NBA All-Star Weekend with a 42-17 record for Boston) and the Celtics not asking for anything in exchange for dismissing Udoka at the time, it was very apparent that the latter's time with Boston was coming to an end at some point. That point came on February 16, 2023, when the Celtics dismissed Udoka 59 games into their season and Mazzulla took over as their permanent head coach.

Edited by gjjones on Mar 6th 2023 at 11:04:45 AM

He/His/Him. No matter who you are, always Be Yourself.

This Ballistic Discount entry has some wonky indentation.

• When you're playing NetHack, don't try to kill the shopkeeper. In the variant SLASH'EM, they have shotguns. In a medieval setting. Even in vanilla Nethack, they can still slaughter you in seconds.
  • You can play this straight with the right item. One of the ways to reliably kill shopkeepers is with a wand of death. If there is one present, you can pick up a wand of death from the store and zap the shopkeeper with his own wand. Just don't miss (or kill Izchak).
    • Or halfway-straight by summoning your pet Balrog with one of the shopkeeper's magic whistles.
    • Or polymorphing into a dragon.
    • Or polymorphing the shopkeeper into a brown pudding. (This can backfire spectacularly though.)

Would something like this be better?

• NetHack: Shopkeepers are very powerful and will fight you tooth and nail if you try to abscond with their wares. However, a savvy player can use some of these magical items to assist in their heist. You can take a Wand of Death and zap the shopkeeper, grab a magic whistle and summon a strong pet to fight them with, use a Wand of Polymorph that's on sale to turn yourself into something very powerful (or the shopkeeper into something very weak), and so on. With the shopkeeper dead or neutralized, robbing them blind becomes far easier.

Edited by badtothebaritone on Mar 14th 2023 at 3:55:08 AM

~@gjjones Yeah, I guess the general problem is that it sounds like two tropers having a convo, which is frowned upon.

I suggest reducing the sub-bullet-point into the main bullet point, using double backslashes to create newlines to separate the two paragraphs. Could probably use a little bit of condensation as well, I strongly recommend scanning for Natter to remove.

~@badtothebaritone: Yeah, that works and sounds more formal. That should be the way.

Edited by RAMChYLD on Mar 14th 2023 at 2:05:25 AM

The Real Life folder of Main.Terminally Dependent Society has many double-triple-bullet problems. How to fix?

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From Welcome Back, Traitor

• Justice League Unlimited: Hawkgirl, although it's a season and a few more times saving the world before forgiveness comes, and a lot of the populace of Earth still doesn't trust the traitor.
  • That, and the fact that Hawkgirl turns on the people that the Justice League was betrayed to when the full extent of their plan is revealed.
  • Although it was later revealed that the League would have forgiven her immediately (they took a vote and majority was to overlook it) had said traitor not run off anyway to do some soul-searching.
  • Superman himself had to go through this, as a result of his brainwashing at the hands of Darkseid at the end of Superman: The Animated Series. This is possibly why he was the one who cast the deciding vote in Hawkgirl's favor.

The bullet and first two sub-bullets can probably be mashed together.

I'd combine the sub bullet and bullet on the antibiotics one, the cash crop example, and the bee one. The entry beginning with "Raise your hands" can just be cut for being too general.

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I agree with your suggestions, though I'd still hide the entries because they seem to be relying on "this" for context. However, that just makes them zero-context examples.

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Characters.Brickleberry Main Characters has this in Malloy's folder: The first sub bullet is intended to be an opener because the next two sub bullets cite examples of what it is describing.

Can I make that change?

I think I know the context well enough that that's not necessary. How's this?

• Justice League Unlimited: Hawkgirl is allowed back onto the team after she voluntarily quit back in Justice League over having sold out Earth to the Thanagarians. Despite also betraying the Thanagarians back to stop them from destroying Earth, the initial betrayal means much of the public and a good chunk of the League still don't fully trust her.

Sounds good to me. Also, what about my suggestion for that Jerk with a Heart of Jerk entry at? (If it helps, I'm familiar with that series.)

That's reasonable.

Found this example in VideoGame.Sonic Frontiers. Is the indentation here correct?

• Dump Stat: Ring Capacity is by far Sonic's least useful stat. Let us count the ways:
  • The stat determines the maximum amount of Rings Sonic can carry. You level up Ring Capacity by giving Kocos to the Elder Koco, but it's either that or increasing Sonic's Speed, which might be more useful in a Sonic game (thankfully, you can swap levels between the two stats for free).
  • Sonic begins the game with a maximum cap of 400 Rings, enemies will shave no more than 20 - 60 Rings per hit, and each level of Ring Capacity increases the cap by a piddling 6 Rings.
  • The stat is only good for players who struggle with the Titan boss battles, which essentially use Super Sonic losing one ring a second as a soft Time Limit, but you'll always start the bosses with at least 100 Rings^note If you enter the boss with less than 100 Rings, the game will top you off.
  • Finally, increasing your Ring cap is actually a hinderance if you want the Power Boost, which requires having max Rings.

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This from Shoot the Medic First might be indented right, but shouldn't be more than one bullet anyway because the medic mentioned in the first is Wade, hence the second is a redundant addition. Can someone merge both?

• Saving Private Ryan:
  • In a notable scene at the beginning, a medic is trying to stabilize a fallen soldier on Omaha Beach, seemingly without concern for the sheer number of bullets flying around. After he stabilizes the soldier, he makes the mistake of getting too excited, at which point a bullet goes right through the wounded soldier's helmet, killing him instantly. The medic gets very upset. That same medic later kinda-sorta takes part in combat by making an unarmed distraction run towards a machine gun nest and gets shot and killed. His squad gets very upset.
  • Later in the film, Technician Irwin Wade is purposely shot by a Nazi machine-gunner because of his medical position in the squad. It's particularly horrific because Wade knows exactly how fatal his wound is and asks the team to Mercy Kill him with an overdose of morphine that will deliver a quick, painless death.
    Wade: Oh God, I can feel my liver!

Also, in The Foreign Subtitle, the "English to Portuguese" folder has the Rocky movies as sub-topics to RocknRolla, which is a great mistake, and some inconsistent indenting (some list the title above and the Brazilian\Portuguese ones separatedly below, some put one first and the other below while repeating the title, others just put both in the same bullet point).

Edited by igordebraga on Apr 3rd 2023 at 3:14:27 PM

Is the following example in Main.Guns Are Worthless correct in terms of indentation? If not, how to fix?

Edited by ElRise on Apr 13th 2023 at 1:55:20 AM

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2012 has a complex but correct indentation where * is Artistic License, ** are the subtropes, and *** the examples. But at least two under Artistic License – Physics have one bullet ("The tsunamis" and " Two courtesy of the Little Prop Plane that Could") followed by two subtopics under the same *** indentation, a possible case where **** could be done, if not merging the three bullets together.

Edited by igordebraga on Apr 23rd 2023 at 2:39:21 PM

All the subtropes should be separated into their own first-level bullets and the Artistic License supertrope removed.

On Padding, someone indented my The Patrick Star Show example in a way that I don't think is right.

What I had:

• The Patrick Star Show, to match the style of Patrick's in-universe Variety Show, sometimes cuts away to random, extended sequences that rarely have anything to do with the main plot. For instance, "Lost in Couch" opens with a minute of Patrick watching TV, and then a Parody Commercial takes up time later on. In "FitzPatrick", we randomly get a fantasy sequence inside a comic that Patrick reads. "Terror at 20,000 Leagues" notably spends more time on Cutaway Gags to Halloween-themed fare like a zombie brain buffet or a werewolf hair salon than on the actual plot.

The goal here was to describe the filler the show does, and then give specific examples of how it usually plays out. I put it all in one point because I didn't want to be documenting every example of padding, since many of them are similar.

But then, this got changed to this.

• The Patrick Star Show, to match the style of Patrick's in-universe Variety Show, sometimes cuts away to random, extended sequences that rarely have anything to do with the main plot. For instance, "Lost in Couch" opens with a minute of Patrick watching TV, and then a Parody Commercial takes up time later on.
  • In "FitzPatrick", we randomly get a fantasy sequence inside a comic that Patrick reads. "Terror at 20,000 Leagues" notably spends more time on Cutaway Gags to Halloween-themed fare like a zombie brain buffet or a werewolf hair salon than on the actual plot.

I don't think this is correct. What should it be instead?

The things in my dreams wish they could chase me!

You can put the examples back together, or have each episode get its own bullet point.