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Okay, so this thread is for cleaning Actors, Voice Actors, Musicians, and the rest of the Creators articles from Personal Appearance Tropes and other tropes about them as a person. We should only be troping their career as an actor. If the person is a musician, only appearance tropes that are featured in their songs and music videos can be listed. Authors and Artists can only have these tropes if they appear in their works or a common theme in them.

In short, these tropes need to be removed.

Also, after you cleaned a page, add a hidden edit notice to ensure people won't add them back again.

Edited by MacronNotes on Oct 20th 2022 at 6:01:52 AM

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#26: Jul 9th 2014 at 12:46:52 AM

Aye, that is a good one.

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LordGro from Germany Since: May, 2010
#27: Jul 10th 2014 at 12:57:08 PM

I would disagree. We do not want "tropes" found in a creator's career. Maybe Trivia, but not tropes.

Let's just say and leave it at that.
rexpensive Since: Feb, 2014
#28: Jul 22nd 2014 at 10:55:29 AM

I found this: Outlaw Starr which is tied to ☯utlaw St★rr, but there is no Creator page or Music page. These do appear to be actual people, but it may need to be name-spaced before being scrubbed.

It is a mess of going on about how hot the people are and how dark skinned they are and is just a huge old garbage pile in general.

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#29: Jul 22nd 2014 at 11:04:49 AM

Actually, that character page ought to be cut. We don't do subpages for unpublished works.

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rexpensive Since: Feb, 2014
#30: Jul 22nd 2014 at 11:07:43 AM

The page is on Darth, but it is a real band with a discography, so the location must be incorrect.

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#31: Jul 22nd 2014 at 11:13:24 AM

Hmm, I can't find much material online on that; let's see if ~T Sims is still around.

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TSims Since: Jul, 2012
#32: Jul 22nd 2014 at 6:07:52 PM

Its a fictional band thats made up of semi real people. Lol its ok to cut the characters sheet. Dark Fantasy X already lost its sheet. So whatever causes less friction.

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#33: Jul 23rd 2014 at 1:24:19 AM

[up] What do you mean by "semi-real" people?

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rexpensive Since: Feb, 2014
#34: Jul 23rd 2014 at 7:35:23 AM

From the way the article is written it sounds like they have stage personas based on themselves. Regardless, tropes like Ambiguously Brown sure as heck would not apply :p

rexpensive Since: Feb, 2014
#35: Jul 25th 2014 at 8:48:53 AM

Sorry to double post, I am doing a wick clean and do not want to get sidetracked but Miranda Cosgrove has a bunch of fanservice tropes that seem like they should not be there. If someone more familiar with the policy on personal trope could fix it up that would be great.

tryrar Since: Sep, 2010
#36: Jul 26th 2014 at 4:52:21 PM

Uhhh, Les Yay Shipping, Memetic Sex God and Moe are a few tropes that should probably go. We really don't care about real life shipping(or shipping in general really), and calling a real life person a memetic sex goddess is just creepy. Moe is one I'm not too sure of though, but I'm also not sure if appropriate.

Mind you, this is just on the YMMV page(which is already thin ice, the mods have repeatedly said YMMV for real life people is a little off mission and often nothing but bashing), so I'll have to look though the main page for any that seem out of place.

edited 26th Jul '14 4:53:29 PM by tryrar

Xtifr World's Toughest Milkman Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
World's Toughest Milkman
#37: Jul 26th 2014 at 5:36:09 PM

For creators, I usually just use:

Tropes in his/her works:

Short and to-the-point.

edited 26th Jul '14 5:36:21 PM by Xtifr

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LordGro from Germany Since: May, 2010
#38: Jul 27th 2014 at 1:16:31 PM

[up] That's also what I usually use.

Let's just say and leave it at that.
TheOneWhoTropes Dread Sorcerer of Auchtermuchty from Newton-le-willows, quaint town Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: With my statistically significant other
Dread Sorcerer of Auchtermuchty
#39: Aug 23rd 2014 at 6:00:10 PM

I've been moving Pages to the Creator namespace, and I will probably soon move Gillian Jacobs onto Creator, however her page is awful for gushing over her. It will need a bit of work. Others I have found:

edited 26th Aug '14 2:32:44 AM by TheOneWhoTropes

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TamboKazooie Since: Jan, 2015
#40: May 15th 2015 at 11:27:29 PM

Not sure if this is the right thread to ask, but after stumbling upon Creator.Rebornica, almost all of the page seems to be about the creator as a person, both the description and the tropes.

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#41: May 16th 2015 at 1:31:55 AM

Yeah, this is the right thread. And that page is troping his life.

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Morgenthaler Since: Feb, 2016
#42: Dec 2nd 2015 at 8:48:36 AM

Most of Noah Antwiler is real life troping.

You've got roaming bands of armed, aggressive, tyrannical plumbers coming to your door, saying "Use our service, or else!"
Malady (Not-So-Newbie)
#43: Mar 2nd 2022 at 6:15:17 PM

Judy Garland... For one thing, it has Signature Song, which is YMMV, but then there's these. All of them should go, no?

  • "I Want" Song: Her most famous (and possibly the most famous) number, "Over the Rainbow".
  • Like Brother and Sister: She and Mickey Rooney were always very close, and despite both of their checkered romantic careers, evidently were never more than good friends.

  • She Is All Grown Up: Getting fed up at being cast as adolescents when she was in her twenties, she reluctantly took the role of Esther Smith in Meet Me in St. Louis. Her look for the film showed her in a much more grown-up and attractive light, and she later claimed it was the first time a film had ever made her feel beautiful.

  • Suppressed Mammaries: Infamously, to make her look younger for her role as Dorothy Gale.
  • Troubled, but Cute: Even after her problems with addiction and history for turbulent productions became well known, most show people from that era who knew her prefer to remember her as the flawed, yet genuinely kindhearted, beautiful and talented women that she is famous for today.
  • Weight Woe: She struggled with her weight particularly during the 1940s, not helped by having been put on diet pills as a teenager. She was savaged by critics for being too thin in The Harvey Girls, but then dropped from Annie Get Your Gun for gaining too much weight.

Edited by Malady on Mar 2nd 2022 at 6:15:51 AM

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MacronNotes (she/her) (Captain) Relationship Status: Less than three
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#44: Mar 2nd 2022 at 6:43:53 PM

Wow, didn't think this old thread I made on my first account would get revived again. I guess all of the points on the OP are still valid? I probably should expand it to mention personal life tropes.

[up] hmmm, I am leaning on cutting most of them but not sure if that would be extreme or not.

Edited by MacronNotes on Mar 3rd 2022 at 4:25:08 AM

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Eiryu Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
Malady (Not-So-Newbie)
#46: Mar 5th 2022 at 6:14:29 PM

This can be cut from Judy Garland, right? Or moved to YMMV? Do we make YMMV pages for creators?

  • Signature Song: "Over the Rainbow", which is rivaled only by "The Man That Got Away" (from A Star Is Born) as the most iconic song of her career.note 

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Lord Something, Forgetter of Cool Titles
#47: Mar 6th 2022 at 6:28:34 AM

As long as it is explicitily about their works, I believe YMMV pages for creators can be made.

oh hey how are you doing?
Malady (Not-So-Newbie)
#48: Mar 22nd 2022 at 7:00:14 AM

Is Frank Frazetta known for Sexy Packaging or just Covers Always Lie?

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#49: Mar 23rd 2022 at 12:48:05 PM

From Emily Bett Rickards.

  • Ascended Extra: Her role on Arrow wasn't meant to be very large or developed — in the comics, Felicity is barely more than a footnote of a character — but the producers (and later the viewers) reacted to her and her chemistry with Stephen Amell so positively that she was brought back with greater importance, becoming the third person to join Team Arrow, not to mention Oliver Queen's love interest...effectively pushing aside his longtime romantic partner from the comics in the process.
  • The Cast Show Off: Zig-Zagged. She was trained in musical theater, but she never sung or/and danced in the Arrowverse shows on-screen. She and her Arrow co-stars sang "Summer Nights" on the show's Season One behind the scenes video, with her and John Barrowman's voices standing out.
  • Classically-Trained Extra: She was trained in musical theater, but she mainly played bit roles before playing Felicity Smoak (and even that was supposed to be one too).
  • Creator Backlash: She's aware in some aspect of her character now being considered a Base-Breaking Character for the entire Arrowverse after the Seasonal Rot of Arrow Seasons 3, 4, and 6 along with the infamous ending to the Crisis on Earth-X Crisis Crossover. However, Rickards' comments in interviews have alluded that she's just as frustrated as the audience is about her character's mishandling. Notably, she was angry about Felicity's disability storyline being quickly brushed aside (as she had even done tons of research about disabilities and was excited to represent the individuals in question). Furthermore, she was disappointed about the Darker and Edgier material she was asked to shoulder during Arrow Seasons 3 and 4 (since she felt that the more angsty storylines she was given didn't play to her strengths).
  • Disappeared Dad: Strangely common across her roles.
  • She Also Did:
    • She was The Narrator for the audiobook version of "The Wicked Ones," a short story set in the universe of The Mortal Instruments.
    • She's also continued her theater work outside of her television roles, gaining significant critical praise when she starred in the lead role of Zayd Dorn's Reborning at the Annex Theater in Vancouver during early 2018.
  • Nice Girl: The many detractors of Felicity Smoak seem to consider Rickards herself an Unacceptable Target, with even the harshest perspectives given regarding Rickard herself being that she's "a lackluster actress, but still a wonderful human being." Most seem to pity her for having to play such an unpopular character instead. This reputation isn't that undeserved either, with her having started a T-shirt campaign to help earn money for auto-immune diseases-related charities in 2016 and coming up with a new $250,000 scholarship program for Vancouver Film School in 2019, both being funded largely out of her own pocket.

The last one seems like it personal trope but overall a lot of this reads very weird to me and I can't put my finger on it. Maybe its because a lot of it reads like an excuse to complain about a single character and show which can just be on the Arrow pages. What is good to keep and what is a cut?

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Tabs Since: Jan, 2001
#50: Mar 23rd 2022 at 12:59:14 PM

[up] I can't find sufficient context for what should be straightforward: "this person plays all-around nice characters".


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