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- Seems to be Jossed right-off, considering that, at the age of forty-whatever-it-was, Rusty still has the twin he absorbed in the womb.
- Because it doesn't happen doesn't mean Jonas didn't invent it for that purpose, Rusty just got lucky.
- Implied if not outright confirmed in season 7. The fact that Dean is a clone comes up during Dean's conversation with H.E.L.P.er 2 in episode 5 and H.E.L.P.er 2 is visibly relieved when Dean confirms that he knows he's a clone. The kicker? H.E.L.P.er 2 thought that Dean was Rusty during their entire conversation.
- If we’re counting Radiance as Season 8, this exactly what Hank attempted, but failed to do. We find out, however, that the boys where artificially gestated and were “carried” by their father. We do get a pretty solid lead on who their mother is, though.
- But when one of them dies and the other one isn't there to see, they probably just do what they always do - deny that anyone ever died. The boys aren't terribly quick on the draw.
- Dean -did- think the people Brock kills are hauled away in "sleeping bags".
- Brock gave an awfully quick answer when Hank asked how he would kill him if he had to.
- Couldn't they simply alter the surviving brother's memory?
- Not at the time, they didn't have access to the SPHINX mind wiper machine at the time the clones were in use.
- Also a solution is pretty simple, all they would have to do is knock the surviving one out. I'm pretty sure they probably have a couple of the Monarch Henchmen's Tranquilizer Guns lying around. A quick dart to the neck of an unobservant Dean, then place him in bed, with the new Hank. When he wakes up and Hank is there to, Doc and Brock can just hand wave it off as Dean having a bad dream.
- Also, Doc could easily use the learning beds to implant new memories of the dying twin actually surviving the "death" to overwrite the memories of what actually happened.
- Jossed in the Grand Finale, unless the Sovereign was an egg donor.
As for Myra going crazy it's pretty simple. Just think about it you've fallen in love with the man you've been ordered to protect. He reciprocates your feelings. Down the line you find out that he's been taking drugs and you get him to stop. Suddenly he starts to hallucinate and talk to himself. It's not a big problem at this point so you get him the help he needs. But then his personality completely changes becoming utterly insane. Furthermore he starts to use more of the intelligence and engineerial skills he's inherited from his father. You have to stop him but he's just to cunning and powerful. It literally takes everything you have, every ounce of strength, skill, and intellect to stop him. In the end you accomplish the impossible and he's back to normal but for you there's literally nothing left. Thus in the emptiness of your mind new thoughts start to enter the fray. You've given everything to him that make's him yours body and soul. He notices the change knowing nothing of what caused it thanks to the government covering it up, so his feelings for you start to change and he begins to spend more and more time away from you. Finally those dreaded words are uttered from his lips I want to see other people. And in the confines of your mind you hear that universal phrase if i can't have him no one will
Besides the O.R.B this is the real reason Venture is assigned a body guard because everyone is deathly afraid of the Jester returning...
- New theory it wasn't his fathers death that caused him to go crazy it was the death of Hank and Deans mother. Their mother was an employee at Venture industry. The hallucinations of Dr Venture Sr aren't because of withdrawal but from the stress of having to take over the company after his fathers death. The stress began to get to him and he started to visualize it as his giant father.
- The kids' mother is like a down played good version of dr Henry Killinger, she came in calmed him down and helped him get his affairs in order. They were in the process of this when they went through their relationship upgrade. Sadly she died during birth after that Venture just lost it and got worse and worse as the days went on. This is where his relationship with Myra came in she tried to help him out of his depression but nothing she did worked.
- That alternate version of him was from a universe where the mother never died.
- The change is gradual getting worse as the days go on. The first thing he does is break Myra convincing her that Hank and Dean are her children. When she was first introduced we saw their relationship from her perspective not what actually happened. From there he gets worse until Myra stops him. The incident was relatively contained which is why so few people know about it. This is also one of the reasons for the new Doctor Ventures personality. He remembers bits and pieces of his time as the jester, he knew he convinced Myra he was the kids parent just not why, he knew he took their mothers death hard just not by how much. He also gained his more jerkassy nature and a pathological need to self medicate.
- This will be introduced in the next season everything that happened in season 5 causes him to get his act together and stop taking the drugs. And like before he starts to get smarter, gains more business savy as well as all of the other positive aspect of him that the drugs suppresses. Maybe get a scene of him with Nikki fectel apologizing for abandoning her, and telling her to stay away from Hank, her seening what she saw in him in the first place. However other aspects of the jester start coming through such as calling his brother out (like informing him that if he had actually grew up as Jona's venture son the fact that he is deformed means that he would have been locked up never to be seen) basically think of it as a season long extension of The Doctor is Sin without killinger. With Jester finally awakening at the final.
- Season 7 will be everyone trying to stop the jester. Here we'll get to see more into the real Doctor Venture. For instance though he is trying to make the world as a whole and those that have wronged him specifically pay he believes in true love which will help his brother when sally possible asked him to spare him.
- Also jester is a kind caring understanding father but the fact that he's ax crazy means that being that time of father is simply impossible. While it's possible for Doctor Venture to be a father the fact that he is cynical and neglectful makes him not a very good one even though he is there.
- New theory it wasn't his fathers death that caused him to go crazy it was the death of Hank and Deans mother. Their mother was an employee at Venture industry. The hallucinations of Dr Venture Sr aren't because of withdrawal but from the stress of having to take over the company after his fathers death. The stress began to get to him and he started to visualize it as his giant father.
- Unlikely, given that the creators have come right out and said that "we don't care about Kim!" And, according to Triana in the season 4 finale, Kim has become a born-again Christian.
- Unless Kim decides to crusade against Triana and her family for occult and witchcraft.
- With the exception of Fantômas/Phantom Limb, it appears that the connections are spiritual/allegorical rather than literal. In any case, Orpheus is a much nicer person than the real Crowley seemed to be.
- It was already confirmed that Phantom Limb is the descendant of Fantômas in "The Invisible Hand of Fate".
- Sandow could be Brock's grandfather, due to being quarter-Polish.
- Except Sandow, the historical one, anyway, was Prussian.
- A good chunk of what was then Prussia is now part of Poland.
- Sandow could be Brock's grandfather, due to being quarter-Polish.
- It was, in canon, a no-brainer.
- Potentially, but there's plenty of reason to believe that that wasn't actually HIS head. Another henchman was decapitated turning on the Death's Head Panoply earlier in the fight, and the fact that pieces of helper weren't flying through the air either makes it somewhat suspect. It's a intentionally ambiguous cliffhanger.
- Far from intentional, the creators straight-up state in the season 3 commentary tracks that they thought they were leaving absolutely no doubt that 24 was dead (Indeed, they went so far as to randomly interject "24 dies at the end of this season!" somewhere in the commentary track of every episode of season 3.).. The only ambiguity comes from the fact that 24 shares a character model with every other generic henchman, since he was a generic henchman who got elevated by coincidence of being partnered up with 21.
- This show's way too GenreSavvy to let # 24 die.
- Actually I think its Genre Savviness that killed him. Plus Bad Karma from the way him and 21 treated Scot Hall. They were perfectly invincible when they didn't take note of their invincibility.
- Even if he he is dead, perhaps we'll see # 21 attempt to get Orpheus to raise him from the dead.
- He asked, but Orpheus is unable despite being a necromancer. Turns out the only reason he goes by that title is because wizard or warlock sound too goofy.
- Why doesn't #21 just get Dr. Venture to make a clone #24?
- Dr. Venture doesn't have #24's memories recorded.
- This was addressed though. 21 is fine raising clone 24 as a son.
- Doc didn't accept Marvel Comics #1 as payment, so he refused.
- Dr. Venture doesn't have #24's memories recorded.
- Jackson Publick Jossed any chances of #24's survival. Jackson Publik joked that '#25 (24's replacement) is going to be the exact same guy with an easier to do voice.'
- Citation. It's the first question on the video.
- He'll show up again as part robot eventually. And complain about it. 21 will be jealous.
- In one of the commentaries, the creators joke that all the original Monarch henchmen were duplicates of 24... maybe he has self-replicating powers or a good supply of clone-slugs. Hey, maybe that's why he's called 24, because that's how many of him there are!
- It's the other way around. The henchmen aren't based on 24, 24 is just the generic henchman they happened to pluck from the crowd.
- Alternatively, #24 will return, but will really be #1 in "disguise".
- CONFIRMED!! #1 survived and returned as Zero, the primary antagonist of Every Which Way But Zeus. Since he was last seen being chased by a group of heroes and villains, it's not certain if he survived the episode.
- He did but he didn't survive the one after that.
- CONFIRMED!! #1 survived and returned as Zero, the primary antagonist of Every Which Way But Zeus. Since he was last seen being chased by a group of heroes and villains, it's not certain if he survived the episode.
- And universe-hopping like Reed Richards' father, Nathaniel (aka, the much lamer name 'Dark Rider')
- Semi-jossed in Arrears In Science, he's been in the Pro-blem Light as a disembodied head and conscious since the first season. He's now officially dead.
- No, she's more of a protege for Dr. Ms. the Monarch. However since she is Triana's friend, she may go with arching the Order of the Triad.
- She was pretty clear about who she wanted to arch.
- Jossed in "Operation P.R.O.M., wherein it is revealed that Kim left villainy and is now a born-again Christian.
- Not that this means anything definitive in the Venture-verse. Hammer & Publick have demonstrated that any throw-away lines and brush-off explanations can (and will) come back in spectacular fashion in some later episode. We'll just have to see...
- Possibly back in a Maude Flanders fashion
- Not that this means anything definitive in the Venture-verse. Hammer & Publick have demonstrated that any throw-away lines and brush-off explanations can (and will) come back in spectacular fashion in some later episode. We'll just have to see...
- Dr. Venture can make more clones, it'll probably just take him a lot longer.
- Eh. I dunno. I get the feeling that there is no acceleration involved in the creation of clones. Which is why Dr.Venture had so many of them. Meaning, the clones age at the same rate as the boys. Or they aged at the same rate and stop/restart whenever the current boys get killed so that that clones never turn into adults and the boys essentially never grow older.
- It only took Dr. Venture a few hours to make a quick-and-dirty clone of a boy who died in his Day Camp for Boy Adventurers.
- However, when all the clones were mowed down by the Death's Head Panoply, Dr. Venture said "Well, there goes my life's work." This, plus the "you only live once" remark, suggests that Doc and Jackson regret making the boys unkillable and want to do an Author's Saving Throw.
- Furthermore, OSI knows about the cloning now, and Cloning is illegal in the Ventureverse. Dr. Venture can't make any new ones or else OSI will come down on him.
- Plus, that's why the boys are 16 even though they have been around for 18 years. It's assumed Dr. Venture created the clones a couple years after the boys were born, so they were always going to be close to the same age, but never quite, because they age at the same rate.
- And 21 wouldn't have told Hank that he was immortal unless he was going to test it later, due to the Law of Conservation of Detail. Give Hank the prize - he is the One!
- Are there even originals to start with? Nobody ever fesses up to being the boys' mother, and Dr. Venture himself tap-dances around the question if it's ever asked, Hank mentions early on that he never met his Mother. It's possible that Dr. Venture created both the boys as "test tube" babies (obviously, they still have a biological mother, exactly who is still unanswered).
- Yes. In one of the recent video interviews, Doc Hammer confirmed that (the original) Hank and Dean were born normally.
- Are there even originals to start with? Nobody ever fesses up to being the boys' mother, and Dr. Venture himself tap-dances around the question if it's ever asked, Hank mentions early on that he never met his Mother. It's possible that Dr. Venture created both the boys as "test tube" babies (obviously, they still have a biological mother, exactly who is still unanswered).
- It would fit in with the main themes of the show - failure, especially failure at fatherhood. As it is, Brock's main failure is his inability to score with Molotov, but that still doesn't explain why he's spent so many years squandering his potential on Operation Rusty's Blanket.
- He himself has stated that he prefers the comparative normalcy to the weirdness and moral ambiguity of his former life as a super secret agent to Molotov when she gave him an offer to run away with her.
- Pff. Sour grapes. If he didn't have a super-retard baby in a neckerchief tying him down, he'd still be trying to hit that.
- UPDATE! "The Invisible Hand of Fate" shows that the boys were born before Brock was assigned to Operation Rusty's Blanket. This doesn't mean that Brock wasn't Hank's baby-daddy, but it makes things a little more complicated if he is.
- And following the airing of that episode, Jackson Public outright denied this theory in his response to a fan question.
- Random Aside: Brock does have (at least one) son, and it's not Dean.
- Looks like this theory has been thoroughly Jossed.
- If he ever does have an unknown kid, it's probably with a random fugly crackwhore (Out of a prank night of booze, where he killed the colleagues for committing such mistake), possibly is a girl, and possibly will have a mullet like her daddy, but nowhere near as manly as him; in reality, she'll be as girly, gentle and nice as somebody can be in this show (if not maybe having a not so nice side), and will fall in love for one of the boys, risking them in the process (after all, Brock will gain some grudging sympathy for the girl, and won't want her with such losers). Oh, and she won't be exactly pretty, since the crackwhore had paperweights in a frame for glasses - she inherited such bad vision - and will have buck teeth like her mom as well (and will use ridiculous brackets paid by her mom's crackwhoring and eventual handcraft earnings). Her failure? Being nice, sweet, and gentle, yet being so ugly that all the jokes at her expanse might push a Berserk Button or two, making her efforts to socialize with anyone impossible. Hilarity Ensues. (She could have been killed off after a couple of episodes, if she never makes success, too.) Oh, and her name would be Tandy, just for laughs.
- The season 4 premiere shows that Hank has started to resemble Brock since he now has Brock's jacket and has grown his hair out.
- This has been Jossed time and again, he gets his blond hair from Myra, he isn't Brock's son or clone.
- Myra has nothing to do with it - what does have something to do with it is two separate indicators that Hank was born before Brock started working for Doc.
- The above sounds more like bad fanfic than a proper WMG. No offense.
- Ditto, and I am not referring to the musician.
- It sort-of does sound like a bad fanfic especially since Brock doesn't sound like the kind of guy who would dislike someone for being nice or girly. Brock killed that one Asshole Victim who wasn't really evil or working for a villain, just kind of a dick. Also Brock seems to have bonded with Dean more so than his dad. I mean, Dean isn't girly and/or saccharine sweet. But he's not really macho either.
- The season 4 premiere shows that Hank has started to resemble Brock since he now has Brock's jacket and has grown his hair out.
- Wasn't he at his key party in "Dr. Quymn Medicine Woman".
- It's been confirmed in the season 3 first episode that Myra was indeed Venture's original bodyguard when Operation Rusty's Blanket first started. Previews of subsequent season 3 episodes strongly suggest her relationship with Dr. Venture will be further explored.
- The last flashback episode shows her being carted off while Dr. Venture and H.E.L.P.E.R (Who holds an infant Hank and Dean) look on. That and Billy's remark that he never knew his idol was such a prick heavily suggests that Myra's indeed the boys' biological mother.
- How exactly does Dr. Venture being an asshole to Billy and Pete prove anything about the identity of the mother of his sons? I thought it was pretty clear from the context that Billy called him a prick because he turned them away. And really, Myra is kind of batshit insane, so I'm not sure if calling the cops and having her admitted counts as being a prick, regardless of whose mother she may or may not be.
- It was Myra being in the flashback that clinched it, not him being an arsehole to Billy and Pete.
- ^ All that's been proven true so far is that Myra was once Doc's bodyguard, they had sex once, and she's batshit insane and thinks she's the boys' mother. It's not proven whether or not she is the mother, just that it's possible she is.
- How exactly does Dr. Venture being an asshole to Billy and Pete prove anything about the identity of the mother of his sons? I thought it was pretty clear from the context that Billy called him a prick because he turned them away. And really, Myra is kind of batshit insane, so I'm not sure if calling the cops and having her admitted counts as being a prick, regardless of whose mother she may or may not be.
- Confirmed in Season 5 Episode 6 that Myra is not the mother. Doc Venture just told her that so she won't tell the O.S.I. on him.
- Yes but she already contradicted herself in "I Know Why the Caged Bird Kills" when she implies that she HAD given birth to them. She is unstable enough to forget her own story. Plus, Rusty has been known to lie to cover his tracks to the boys. Perhaps he corroborated on that story to lessen the chance of the boy's wanting to track down their mother again. Plus, in Id!Rusty's harem Myra was the only blond woman (aside from Lyndsey Wagner. I don't suppose they will go that route but you never know with this show. :D)and because of Hank, their mother has to be a blond. Also that explains also why Hank is the more physical active one and why he develops the bond with the bodyguards, like Brock and Hatred. Perhaps, he inherited a lot of Myra's personality as well. So just because they did say that, I wouldn't dismiss the possibility that Myra could really be their mother just yet.
- In "Powerless In The Face of Death", Rusty strongly implies that the woman he lost his virginity to was very unattractive ("You didn't even see her. It was horrific."). If she was the boy's mother, it's very unlikely he'd choose to fantasize about her when he had so many other options to choose from.
- The Grand Finale seems to suggest Mantilla is their mother via egg donation.
- Yes but she already contradicted herself in "I Know Why the Caged Bird Kills" when she implies that she HAD given birth to them. She is unstable enough to forget her own story. Plus, Rusty has been known to lie to cover his tracks to the boys. Perhaps he corroborated on that story to lessen the chance of the boy's wanting to track down their mother again. Plus, in Id!Rusty's harem Myra was the only blond woman (aside from Lyndsey Wagner. I don't suppose they will go that route but you never know with this show. :D)and because of Hank, their mother has to be a blond. Also that explains also why Hank is the more physical active one and why he develops the bond with the bodyguards, like Brock and Hatred. Perhaps, he inherited a lot of Myra's personality as well. So just because they did say that, I wouldn't dismiss the possibility that Myra could really be their mother just yet.
- Unlikely, given that at the end of season 3, Dr. Girlfriend is trying to seduce Brock during the Monarch's invasion of the empty compound because he expressed no sexual interest in her the last time the issue came up in season 1.
- I bet it's Dr.Venture's child.
Dr.Venture: Who is Charlene? Only the finest woman in eighteen years to steal my heart. Only the sexiest pile of girl parts to climb mount Rusty.Dr.Girlfriend: What? I have no idea what you're- oh my god.
- Season three ultimately revealed (in a read between the lines manner) that the big secret had to do with why she demanded Monarch give up arching the Venture family. The Council of the 13 found out that Monarch was not a real Guild member and that Phantom Limb, presumably in order to protect Dr Girlfriend from reprisals for associating with Monarch, was covering up their activities whenever Rusty complained to the Guild. They finally got wind to what Phantom Limb was doing and offered to spare Monarch if Sheila would get him to leave Rusty alone...
- Hank is the father! (This theory requires time travel.)
- That's what I thought too.
- Dermott is his own father! (If you're going to bring time travel into the mix, might as well go all the way.)
- Dr. Venture is the father! Because "Dermott" is really a discarded clone of Hank.
- Alternatively, "Dermott" is the original Hank. This, of course, implies that Myra has the original Dean somewhere.
- CONFIRMED!!! Dr. Venture is the father and Dermott's sister is actually his mother.
- Master Billy Quizboy is the father! He fathered the sound-alike kid during the time lost to Laser-Guided Amnesia.
- Probably a coincidence. Doc Hammer does the voice for both of them, along with, like, a third of the guys (and one of the girls) on the show.
- Their facial features also look much more alike than Brock and Dermott— and lookalikes are not the usual for this show.
- Probably a coincidence. Doc Hammer does the voice for both of them, along with, like, a third of the guys (and one of the girls) on the show.
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Johnny QuestAction Johnny is the father! They have the same hair color. - Sergeant Hatred is the father! Again, same hair color.
- What? Sergeant Hatred is a redhead. And he'd never cheat on Princess Tinyfeet. Not with females, anyway.
- Hunter Gathers is the father!/mother!/father!/he's joor mother!!! Dermott's mother did tell him that his dad was "in black ops." Maybe she's after the wrong one.
- Holy Diver is the father! Before he learned to "pray the gay away", he tried to force himself to "become" heterosexual by sleeping around with women. It would pretty much be Dermott's worst nightmare come true, which knowing this show means it's highly likely. Formerly in black ops (along with certain other black things), and the mom would have good reason to lie about his identity...
- And the next season's plotline will involve Dermott getting sent to HD's Bible camp and discovering the awful truth.
Holy Diver: Hey, guess what, kiddo, I'm your DADDY! Boom! Yummy!Dermott: NOOOOOOOOOOOOO! - The case is solved! It's really Rusty! He's Dermott's biological father, not Samson. This is revealed in Season Five, Episode 1.
- No way. The moon in The Venture Bros. doesn't even have a bite taken out of it!
- Well, they repaired it! Plus, both shows have a minor villain named Pig-Leg (he has a pig for a leg). Solid proof that they are one and the same universe!
- The Tick would have logically taken place after the Venture Bros. series, since Brock would have to become the Tick... and Hank is Arthur! Yeah!
- Nah, the Tick is a chaste loon, Brock is quite intelligent, while Hark is a dummy while Aurthur is quite sensible once you get past his moth suit.
- Hank is the Tick. He's gone crazy from the Venture lifestyle- presumably the same accident that gave him the Tick's strength also fried his mind.
- Nah, the Tick is a chaste loon, Brock is quite intelligent, while Hark is a dummy while Aurthur is quite sensible once you get past his moth suit.
- Jossed in that the writers decided to pretty much pretend that scene (and the sequence from the season two finale where Hank freaks out when he's forced to sit next to Hatred at the wedding) never happened. And while they did do an episode where Sgt Hatred ran out of his chemical castration pills, the episode revolved around Hatred willingly locking himself up in the panic room and Hank and Dean (with help from #21) luring him out via having Hank dress up as his ex-wife and knocking him unconscious/restraining him properly while they waited for the meds to arrive.
- They DID have him rape Billy Quizboy, but thankfully they retconned the whole thing as him just cuddling with Billy instead.
- Jossed in that the writers decided to pretty much pretend that scene (and the sequence from the season two finale where Hank freaks out when he's forced to sit next to Hatred at the wedding) never happened. And while they did do an episode where Sgt Hatred ran out of his chemical castration pills, the episode revolved around Hatred willingly locking himself up in the panic room and Hank and Dean (with help from #21) luring him out via having Hank dress up as his ex-wife and knocking him unconscious/restraining him properly while they waited for the meds to arrive.
- IGNORE ME!!!
- Let's go one better: Jonas Venture is not only alive, he's the big bad of the series. After negotiating the founding of the Guild (in his own living room!), he faked his death so he could run it behind the scenes; he then took over O.S.I by seeding it with Guild operatives. His control of both organizations allowed him to direct the events of "The Invisible Hand of Fate," which won him Professor Fantomos's loyalty and eliminated Brock and Hunter as threats. Phantom Limb's attempted coup was really Jonas' plan to replace David Bowie with a more tractable Sovereign; now that Limb's gone on the run, Jonas has turned to different cat's paws, like Sgt. Hatred...and Dr Mrs. The Monarch. When the time is ripe, Jonas will have the Guild conquer the world - only to "come back from the dead" just in time to defeat them and become a benevolent dictator in their stead.
- Jonas Venture would have performed his masterstroke by now, if it hadn't been for the interference of the ultimate diplomat, Dr. Henry Killinger. By reuniting the Monarch and Dr. Girlfriend, he sowed the seeds of the Phantom Limb's failure. Without the backdrop of the wedding, the Phantom Limb would have made his move with much wiser timing, without all of the combustible elements present at the final showdown. Jonas had to switch to a fallback plan, involving his son finding the all-powerful ORB and foolishly activating it...
- Only for Killinger to nip that plan in the bud by providing Rusty Venture with a much-needed dose of perspective. Killinger's actions led to Dr. Venture treating the ORB with unexpected responsibility. In fact, pretty much the entire series has been a power struggle between Jonas Venture and Dr. Killinger.
- Is he leading the investors or are they leading him.
- If this is true and the "alien" from "Twenty Years To Midnight was actualy him, why did he really kill the The Grand Galactic Inquisitor.
- Jonas Venture would have performed his masterstroke by now, if it hadn't been for the interference of the ultimate diplomat, Dr. Henry Killinger. By reuniting the Monarch and Dr. Girlfriend, he sowed the seeds of the Phantom Limb's failure. Without the backdrop of the wedding, the Phantom Limb would have made his move with much wiser timing, without all of the combustible elements present at the final showdown. Jonas had to switch to a fallback plan, involving his son finding the all-powerful ORB and foolishly activating it...
- Season 3 especially has painted a very dark picture of Jonas Sr., as well as the entire original Team Venture. I wouldn't be surprised if the big showdown of Season 4 is the old school Team Venture (headed by a newly returned Jonas Sr.) vs. the new one (Doc/Brock/Hank/Dean, White/Quizboy, Orpheus, etc.) where Jonas Jr. will fall in this struggle is a matter of debate.
- And here's one extra step; J.Senior will someway find the original Hank and Dean Venture and either ressurect them or craft all the clone brothers into Frankenstein Monster!Hank and Frankenstein Monster!Dean Venture!
- Jossed...kinda-sorta. In the episode ORB, Brock almost has to kill Rusty when it seems like he's on the verge of activating the eponymous object, but relents when Rusty states he wants to study it first to see if it's a threat. However his true mission is to kill Rusty should he try to activate it
- Turns out the ORB was broken a century ago.
- Totally thrown out the window now that we know that Rusty himself is Dermott's father.
- We know that the Monarch inherited a fat trust fund from one or both parents, and he claims that his parents died in a plane crash that left him to be raised by butterflies. I don't know if this fits or not...
- Google Ventata NOW for the explanation to this quote from a member of The Council of 13: "Where is my wife? Have you— Honey— Does not compute. Does not com— Who am I? I think the plane is going down..."
- Easy- he claims both his parents died, but his mother conceived him with Dr. Venture illegitimately, and the father that died was not biologically really his.
- Remember, too, that, during ORB, the ancestral Dr. Venture was voiced with the Monarch's vocal inflections, only more highbrow and less crazy...
- Note that the Monarch rarely ever shows his hair (he's only seen without his hood in flashbacks). This could well be to hide the resemblance to his nemesis.
- Alternatively, they really are related, but it turns out the Monarch doesn't actually know this. The real reason for his vendetta turns out to be something stupid and petty.
- Seeing as how the ORB storyline seems to be an Aborted Arc, that would be par for the series.
- On the other hand, though, it could be that Jonas Sr. gave him up for adoption.
- Alternatively, they really are related, but it turns out the Monarch doesn't actually know this. The real reason for his vendetta turns out to be something stupid and petty.
- Maybe the Monarch and Rusty are cousins with an Uncanny Family Resemblance. It could be Jonas Sr.'s father is the one with a son or daughter he gave up for adoption. If we find out the Monarch's real name is Oliver...
- Nope. It's Malcolm. Can't remember which ep, but they do say it somewhere.
- It was in a flashback to their college days. The Monarch had blown up the science building in an attempt to kill Rusty, and was gloating from a distance when another student ran up to tell him that Rusty was being blamed, and the blast had taken off Baron Underbite's jaw. The other student called him Malcolm.
- Nope. It's Malcolm. Can't remember which ep, but they do say it somewhere.
- Season 5, Episode 3 "SPHINX RISING" has Rusty showing the Monarch an old scrapbook with 0 of the two of them on Venture Industry's front lawn as children, with the Monarch mentioning that he doesn't remember any of it and it's his parents in the background talking to Jonas Sr. And in "Spanakopita" the Monarch's parents are shown briefly in a flashback, vacationing with Jonas Sr. in the Mediterranean. It might be worth nothing that the Monarch's mother seems to have similar hair and skin coloring as Jonas Sr...
- In season six it is revealed that the monarch's father is a Green Hornet {{Expy}} who was freinds with Jonas Venture it was implied that they were swingers so it could be possible that The Blue Morpho was believed to be his father but his biological father is actually Jonas Venture Sr.
- Jossed in the Grand Finale; Monarch is an altered clone of Rusty.
- Is this troper the only one who noticed that Drew had cleavage and sideboob in that scene?
- This troper could be convinced it was the work of a very good push-up bra. Meanwhile, "Drew" is an ambiguous name. And they did say they were not exactly alike. Dean noticed the freckle, but didn't he see?
- Yes it is a WMG. Mine is there full sibilings, twins even
- According to season 3 commentary, she was originally supposed to be teased as a possible mother for the boys, though it was abandoned. It seems unlikely they'd have been related, in that case.
- I caught onto this half-sibling idea while watching this episode for like the fifth time and now I have to wonder how I never noticed before because it seems so obvious and intentional. I mean the clues from the flashback at just so painfully obvious (more clues not yet mentioned: Dr. Quymn's "father", Col. Gentleman, is a homosexual, and also Tara tries to hug Jonas Venture but finds him as distant and unloving as Rusty did), more important than that is how explicitly Tara Quymn is a distaff counterpart to Rusty and how her family situation is laid-out in the very same fashion. No, the best reason for Dr. Venture and Dr. Quymn being related is that it is appropriately pathetic that Rusty's best chance to mate is with his sister.
- Monarch was the child voice actor that did the voice of Rusty Venture on the Rusty Venture cartoon show. However, for appearances sake, Monarch never got credit for his work as Jonas Sr. (who was in charge of the show) opted to give Rusty credit for voicing himself. Monarch never forgave Jonas Sr. for this slight, and when Jonas died before he could get revenge, Monarch turned his hatred towards Rusty. Similarly, Monarch's trust fund did not come from his wealthy parents: it came from his work on the TV show, as Jonas (in order to keep Monarch from spilling the beans) paid Monarch a good amount of money, which was put into an account which has since grown large enough to finance all of Monarch's villainy and then some.
- This actually makes some sense since in one episode Dr. Venture said that he didn't receive any royalties from the cartoon.
- Yeah, he seemed pretty tight lipped even when Dr. Venture was still alive.
- Who was the "Great Man" he claimed to have killed?
- Jonas Venture Sr's father, the one Sandow guarded. He did this as a young man, realized his folly and pledged fealty to Jonas Sr. He never talks when he's on screen, even when Jonas Sr. is alive.
- Alternate theory: Kano was supposed to kill Jonas Sr's father when he tried to activate the ORB but somehow botched the job. Years later he came back looking for the for it and killed Jonas in the process. Kano takes his revenge and his vow of silence since his failure is what killed Jonas.
- Sandow. His true pennance is taking over Sandow's job.
- The Blue Morpho, I refuse to believe that plane crash was an accident.
- Confirmed. The "Great Man" that Kano killed was indeed the Blue Morpho, but the plane crash was indeed an accident. Kano had to kill the Blue Morpho after Jonas rebuilt him as Venturion and he almost strangled Rusty.
- Except that Kano would probably know that his attempt to kill the Blue Morpho/Venturion was unsuccessful, as Vendata was a publicly known supervillain for decades and is obviously the same person as Venturion. So maybe the "great man" Kano killed really was Jonas. Team Venture was present at Gargantua-1 during the Movie Night Massacre but not in the cargo bay (as they were there to retrieve Jonas before he drifted off into space.) Perhaps Kano opened the bay doors as revenge for all that Jonas did to the Blue Morpho.
- Who was the "Great Man" he claimed to have killed?
- She did hire the assassins, but it was to kill the assassins. They wanted to off the competition, and sending them after Brock was a sure way to do so. Hell, they flat out say this at the end of the episode.
- Hunter Gathers was also in on it, intentionally giving Brock misinformation as his Mr. Exposition. That insufferable bastard!
- Insufferable bitch.
- That's why he sent them those 2 Ex-OSI agents that were near water, to set things up for the 2nd guy.
- After a period of Minion BSOD following the death of #24, #21 will get serious about his supervillain career, donning Tolkien-inspired duds and becoming "The Viceroy". Stop me if you heard this one before: Ambitious henchman (Monarch/#21) will don a costume behind his boss' back (Phantom Limb/Monarch) to attempt to steal his girlfriend (Dr. Girlfriend/Dr. Girlfriend) and exact revenge on his arch-nemesis (Dr. Venture/The Murderous Moppets). Given the circumstances, expect The Viceroy to be much less successful than his predecessor.
- The main point in bold is denied, but much of the paragraph HAPPENED, except with Gary staying loyal to The Monarch until he quits.
- This is an awesome theory, but where does Dr. Venture's great-grandfather (from "ORB") fit in to this WMG?
- Just bump it back a generation or two. (Or two hundred, and Venture The First built the original ORB! Or not.)
- As far as G.U.A.R.D.O goes, The Monarch says that he's "giving it chlamydia", so it's not necessarily sexual; he's just THAT dedicated to hating Dr. Venture. Having said that...
- "Nice ass, Samson."
- Or maybe, he's The Master.
- Or maybe, After the End he becomes the Fallout version of the Master.
- Maybe he's every version of The Master.
- After all, wasn't his name a play on Doc's?
- Not likely. Molotov and Hunter Gathers would make certain he's dead for good.
- Molotov might have, but Hunter was just The Mole for SPHINX. He might have brought Herr Trigger to his side under the pretense of disposing of him.
- Jossed. a superhero wrecks up the Monarchs place in season four.
- Plus: the Guild is pretty much an outlet for bored, rich supervillains to play stupid games to bypass the time. Superheroes make great opponents for a supervillain to match capabilities with.
- Aren't the Order of the Triad superpowered protagonists?
- There are lots of super heroes appearing in season 6.
Female, batshit crazy, still in pretty good shape, knows all the inner workings of OSI - she seems to fit the profile.
- He could be lying for an unknown reason though.
- Perhaps they'll hook up later after Dean has had some time away from her to mature. The Master said that they way things were going at the present state would lead to the future he showed her.
- It that would be fitting with his style.
- Now we can add " Triana will break up with her boyfriend" to the WMG.
- Maybe the Monarch is an earlier clone or a failed one, given how similar they look I could see the idea that maybe the Monarch was Either an assumed dead clone or something similar.
- Or maybe Jonas sold a clone of Rusty to some rich childless couple who liked the idea of having a copy of a famous boy adventurer as a son.
- Linking to the problem below, maybe the last Rusty Clone had an early defect which caused the formation of Jonas Jr.
- Word of God says the reason Hank and Dean are starting to visibly age in Season 4 is because they're not being cloned anymore, so there's evidence for this.
- That would mean He would have to defeat the Sovereign/ David Bowie. I don't think even the Monarch could pull that off.
- No it won't he's already dead.
- Indeed he is, and there isn't a Sovereign anymore. However, the Monarch is the illegitimate son of Jonas Venture, who is himself a descendant of Lloyd Venture, one of the founders of the original Guild. The Monarch could still very well claim the role of the new Sovereign by birthright.
Monarch: " My great-grandfather, Lloyd Venture, formed the Guild with pie-eyed dreams of helping humanity and all that crap. I have a different vision! I dream of a Guild where villains can arch someone they really hate instead of just being forced to arch someone who just so happens to match their level! Where we don't have to tie ourselves behind miles and miles of red tape! Where we can show them just how evil we really are!"
- Partially Confirmed. SPHINX originally was an evil organization (according to OSI defectors but as a COBRA stand-in they probably were) but was destroyed by the OSI. However, the OSI is very invested in the whole costumed villainy idea, so much so that a number of former OSI agents left the OSI and repurposed the captured SPHINX resources to their own ends and refounded SPHINX as a good guy organization.
- Jossed. The "great man" Kano killed wasn't Jonas, it was the Blue Morpho.
- Alternately, David Bowie was the leader of the guild all along; Bad Horse was merely a puppet.
- Or he was Badhorse.
- Batman comics are confirmed to exist in the Season 3 finale. There is a conversation about Batman comics having the coolest villains, one of the characters being a big fan of Silver Age Comic Books.
- Bear in mind, though, the fact that Rusty Venture really exists didn't stop him from having a cartoon about himself. Maybe in this universe, it's common for real-life heroes to have fictional stories made about their adventures?
- And no-one in-universe will care. Which would actually be really depressing...
- Jossed. It was actually the Blue Morpho.
- As of the season 4 finale, this seems to be confirmed.
- Arched by Dr. Kim, an aging #21 and Schwa Tinyfeet Junior.
Both organizations have been weakened over the course of the series. The Guild already experienced two attempted coups (a la Phantom Limb) and their greatest weapon, the ORB, no longer works. OSI, meanwhile, has become corrupt, causing some of their most competent agents to defect and form SPHINX. The Venture family, which is symbolically important to both groups, is dying out (since J.J. has no children and the cloning process has damaged Hank and Dean's DNA to the point where they can no longer produce any viable heirs). Many of the big names of the series (Henry Killinger, The Sovereign/ David Bowie, Hunter Gathers, The Master, etc.) have been actively working to achieve and orcastrated the entire series to this end.
So far we have zero info concerning The Monarch's birth parents, also The Monarch and Dr. Venture does share some similarities in terms of personality. Who is to say that Jonas didn't create a clone of his son just incase Rusty doesn't make it. Jonas Venture probably abandoned The Monarch for some reason and The Monarch was raised by the Monarch Butterflies instead. The resentment The Monarch has over Rusty could be due to abandonment issues he suffered from Jonas.
- We know a bit about The Monarch's parents: They were rich and they died in a plane crash. Monarch actually survived that crash. The Monarch got a large inheritance from them.
- That's what the Monarch thinks he knows about them.
- Jossed His dad was a Green Hornet {{Expy}}
- That's what the Monarch thinks he knows about them.
If the Venture Brothers ever get a final Season I'm sure the introduction of Hank and Dean's birth mother is being saved so the Venture Family could have that one big family reunion.
- Not really possible since Pete is Billy's ward for the memory wipes. Unless there is an OSI reason for it they aren't going to separate, especially if they need Pete's infrequently demonstrated computer skills.
- Or Billy's even-less-frequently needed paper encyclopedia skills.
"Go Team Ventrue!"
But then there was a typo.
- Or, Triana was meant to be the original star, and there was a typo. "Goth Team Venture!"
- While Hunter gives the orders, Molotov could be his caretaker, or "Gaff" if you will, manipulating him sexually to keep him on the right track, but not actually going through because he isn't a real person, or it wouldn't be professional. This furthers the theme of failure if Molotov has had sex with plenty of other people, just not Brock.
- Or it really was the actor who plays Mr. Wendal, and 24 doesn't know his real name.
- Except by all accounts (including his own and the wife of his employer) Gary isn't evil. Personally I like the idea that he'll use Sphinx technology to help Team Venture out of the hole Rusty's gotten it into, but this being a show about failure I wouldn't really bet on it working.
- Semi-Confirmed he does try to restart Sphinx but it quickly falls apart.
- Except by all accounts (including his own and the wife of his employer) Gary isn't evil. Personally I like the idea that he'll use Sphinx technology to help Team Venture out of the hole Rusty's gotten it into, but this being a show about failure I wouldn't really bet on it working.
- This is Doc and Jackson we're talking about, after all. We've already seen they're not hesitant to bring back characters who by all accounts should have been dead. All we saw was Brock's reaction to an explosion.
- Dean: You know what I think? Fuck you!
- I've had this though myself. When you think about it, season 4 was largely about Hank, and his journey off the beaten path to being an emulation of Brock. Odds are, Dean will go through a similar situation in season 5, but likely with more tragic consequences and possibly ending in a Pet the Dog moment when we learn that Dean may be having such issues letting go of Triana and his trouble with girls in general stemming from a Missing Mom complex.
- It's possible he may call up one (or both) of the Quymn twins in an effort to make Triana jealous and honestly end up liking them. They have more in common with him and the only thing that really turned him off was their aggression. They like solving mysteries, he wants to be a Intrepid Reporter, it's pretty much a win-win. This being a show about failure however makes this unlikely to happen.
- This troper (who has had a bit of a toon-crush on Dean since season one) is convinced that Dean won't just start standing up for himself, but that those final moments of season 4 are the genesis of an epic Face Heel Turn. Hank, over time, has evolved from kind of a jerkass punk into a young man determined to be a badass hero like his mentor Brock. Dean, however - the pansy, bookish daddy's favorite - has been forcibly shoved into super-science and is obviously miserable. Triana symbolized Dean's hopes and dreams (remember, he meets her after asking the Ouija board if he'll find true love) of a normal life with a (relatively) normal girl to love. Losing her is the advent of his turn to super-villainy. His "fuck you" to the Outrider is an epiphany moment - the very antithesis of the boy in season one who was shocked when his brother says "the double d-word."
- The one woman who Molotov threatens after knocking out Brock seems genuinely afraid of her, even surprised by her appearance.
- One points out that she'd be just as (if not more) afraid if she WERE one of Mol's blackhearts caught moving in on Brock. Jus' sayin'.
- Molotov seemed more coy about her relationship with Monstrosso than someone who had decided to move on from her crush on Brock.
- This is the freaking Venture Brothers, nothing is ever as it seems!
- Conformed in Season 5 Episode 1 "What Color is Your Cleansuit?" Brock and Shoreleave check out the place where Molotov and Monstroso died or faked their own deaths to find out whether or not they really died. They find something that looks like Monstroso's body. Brock stabs it and it deflates and there's no bleeding.
- Let's take this one in in separate parts:
- Dean: Jossed. He aspires to follow his father's path like Rusty did before him.
- Dean doesn't aspire to follow his dad's footsteps, he's being forced to follow them. He still just wants to be a journalist.
- Hank: CONFIRMED, more of less. Hank tries to join SPINHX.
- Dean: Jossed. He aspires to follow his father's path like Rusty did before him.
- This is actually confirmed in the early season 4 commercials. 21 replaces Brock with his LARPER crew.
- Not it isn't, 21 still works for the Monarch. Sgt. Hatred is the new bodyguard as confirmed by the first episode of season four.
- CONFIRMED!!! Gary worked for SPINHX in "Operation P.R.O.M." and has left the Monarch.
- Is it fair to call it a WMG when it's really just a summation of events shown onscreen?
- Myra is his mother! Their affair is what drove her over the edge.
- Jossed. Dermott's father is actually Rusty, who impregnated Dermott's "older sister" Nikki when she was a teen.
Ok...this one is kinda complicated, but the fact of Brock and Dermott's resemblance is that they're really one and the same. I think that Dermott is the "Original" and his boasting is just that, pointless boasting. Somehow he ends up going back in time to whatever the relevant time would be because of his own douchebaggery and realizes that he needs to actually back up his bragging. Thus the OSI training, real adventure, and realistically a mellowing. Brock isn't embarrassed of Dermott because he might be his son, He's embarrassed because he remembers being that douche in a previous life.
- Ignores the fact that Brock was a star athlete in college, while Dermott is quite physically untalented.
- We knew #1 was definitely dead too, having been given the honorable "Death By Sampson" and then came back as Zero. This gives the "rookie Sphinx agent is #24" theory some plausibility.
- Jossed! Turns out it was Molotov Cocktease
- Jossed on two levels. First, the Monarch has been arching Doc since Doc was in college, and Doc didn't lose his virginity until at least two years after that point (he was 24, and should have graduated at 22). Second, the Monarch's birth name is Malcolm Fitzcaraldo.
- Maybe she will stay dead solely because everyone is expecting her to come back.
- Jossed. She returns in Season 5, healthy as ever.
- Jossed by the DVD Extras. There's a Deleted Scene where one of the Heartbreakers taunts Brock over his communicator.
- I'd take it one further. Princess Tinyfeet isn't into bondage at all. (At least not as the sub. Earlier incidents with an unknown man and a leather mask suggest possible dominatrix tendencies.) Hatred mentions that she never discussed this tendency with him before. It seems likely that the Monarch and Dr. Mrs. The Monarch fed Hatred the bondage story knowing it would placate and distract him.
- And as he starts his descent into villainy, Dr. Killinger's subliminal teachings will start coming out and make him into an egocentric jerk who take what the wants, when he wants.
- Jossed
- Jossed. Tim-Tom and Kevin, aka the Moppets, were revealed to be the ones who did it.
- Judging by her appearance in "The Invisible Hand Of Fate" she has clearly aged a bit.
- Perpetuating evil indirectly? Check. Signs contracts in blood? Check. Can give you anything you want? Check. More powerful than the series' most badass sorcerer, who can't even read the guy's mind? Seriously, how am I the first person to consider this?
- Related to that, the vampiric investors from "The Silent Partners" work for him.
- Jossed they're his brothers and he kills them.
- Related to that, the vampiric investors from "The Silent Partners" work for him.
- And hook up with Dean
- Because Dr. Venture in their creative writing class was too critical of one the Monarch's "all-too specific poems about monarch butterflies."
- Perhaps the Hank and Dean of the other universe are evil (complete with goatees) and the denouement of the series will be a battle for supremacy between the two factions.
- Otto Aquarius, possibly?
- Jossed. The Revenge Society ends up reabsorbed back into the Guild after season six.
- Oh so Confirmed
going off this it makes sense he would live near a scientist, scientist work to understand how to push the rules of the universe with out breaking them, Orpheus is there that means the rules are enforced and meaning science and magic as doctor venture said slowly become the same thing with different names
- Confirmed as of "OSI Love You"
- Semi-confirmed. In season 6, he inherits JJ's multi-million dollar super-science corporation and becomes rich.
- Alternatively, Hank will be more annoyed than devastated that he's a clone"I died? Aw, why can't I ever remember anything awesome I ever do?"
- Double Jossed: Hank is excited by the fact.
Or, even better, she uses the services of a sorcerer to divine the identity of the father, and that turns out to be an assignment given to Triana as a test, and she ends up seeing too much of the deed, and things just get aukward.
Oh, and the baby wouldn't have been affected by Dr. Salazar's antidote, so he/she would have four arms and telepathic powers like mommy, but a less pointy head and some hair, courtesy of daddy's non-mutated DNA.
- Non-mutated? Dean? Didn't someone say he's been cloned so many times his genepool is a disaster area?
- That was Orpheus' Master, and he's a dick, who's probably not above lying to get his point across. Besides, Ben in the Halloween special said that Dean had no major health problem due to the fact that he was a clone.
- JOSSED: In "O.S.I Love You", it turns out that Hank didn't want to take it off. And then, Hank confronts Molotov Cocktease, only for her to steal the armored suit from him.
- Either that, or she was pissed that Rusty could potentially gain some leverage over her, due to Nikki sleeping with a (technical) minor. It all depends on whether or not Dr. Venture is still paying child support.
- I was always under the impression that the agreement was that Rusty would give one big check and then forget about the whole thing. No continuous support that could link the Fictel to Rusty.
- Jossed. He's the Investors' "brother," either metaphorically or literally, and kills them in a duel.
- And apparently JOSSED, as Gary decides to come back into the fold of the Monarch's operation. However, it seems that Gary will have to deal with a vendetta launched against him by Sergeant Hatred.
The only other character to fit a similar criteria would be Major Tom of the original Team Venture; he had a wife, and he died during in a test flight; however, he returned from the dead as a haunted skeleton. Vendata (without most of his armor) seems to resemble more Murphy from Robocop.
- This also could explain why he was built by Venture Industries, Jonas Sr. may have found the crash and did what he could to save Vendata, only for something to go wrong and for him to become a villain.
- Mostly Confirmed, but it's not Major Tom, but rather a different member of the original Team Venture: the Blue Morpho.
- Minor correction, St. Cloud was seen as a background character at least as far back as Home Is Where The Hate Is, attending Hatred's party. It's likely Canon Discontinuity given St Cloud's application to the Guild in Season 5, but on the other hand he might have been a second or minion to another villain at the time (which in itself would make a good plot).
- How concerned should we be, though? Remember, in an earlier ep he showed Doc Venture how close he was to becoming a super-villain, thus bringing him back from the brink. Maybe he shows the RS the truth of the old saying, "Living well is the best revenge" and they quietly disband (or at the very least, drop their schemes against the ==Go CI==).
- I think it is more simple than that, he's going to convince them to fold the Revenge Society back into the Guild of Calamitous Intent.
- Confirmed his intention was to reform the council of 13.
- I think it is more simple than that, he's going to convince them to fold the Revenge Society back into the Guild of Calamitous Intent.
- Related : his high school years were terrible. He was relentlessly bullied because of his smarts and he found even the teachers to be 'slow'. That's why he had Rusty going through primary school and high school with a learning bed, because he didn't want to subject his son to that torment.
- Confirmed.
- Related to the Power of Love as Season 6 Theme WMG, JJ will nearly slip into the abyss of Venture self loathing, but Sally will pull him out of it, showing how much difference a stable partner or support group (if we also see Ned and the Captain help) can have on a person.
- It's 2. In All This and Gargantua Two JJ faces both irreversible death by organ failure, and the hijacking of his crowning achievement, Gargantua Two. Jonas accepts his fate, helps organize the evacuation of Gargantua Two, and sacrifices himself to make sure the sabotaged station doesn't kill any innocent people when it explodes. He even makes up with Rusty, praising his older brother for focusing on friends and family instead of chasing after money and fame- which is completely wrong, but sweet. He even leaves the Ventures his multi-billion dollar company.
- In Pinstripes & Poltergeists when the SPHINX (Sphinx!) members were going down their list of sacrifices for joining, Brock says his sacrifice was, "living next to the boys for a year and not be able to tell them that they were safe".
- It's also implied that season 5 took allegedly a year, seeing as how the opener went through Halloween AND winter at once. Hank even says to Dean in the season 5 finale that, "he's been a mess the whole year" since Dean found out that he and Hank are clones.
- Semi-confirmed. He has a stroke in the middle of Season 7, and Hank finds him during his coma dream. It's unclear whether he's dead or comatose.
- When he appeared with the monarchs dad in a video in season six they both came of as jerkasses so probably not the case.
- Definitely not the case, he actually blackmailed the Blue Morpho into continuing to work for him when he wanted to quit, slept with his wife, and reanimated him into Venturion following his death.
- When he appeared with the monarchs dad in a video in season six they both came of as jerkasses so probably not the case.
- Maybe the whole Venture Bros universe is something Dr. Kreiger built in his lab.
- Only for it to end in a tie when Jareth comes in and interrupts with an impromptu dance number.
- Jossed. A battle did happen on board Gargantua-2, but it was in a special after Season 5, and the Sovereign wasn't involved. The station did get destroyed, though. Note to the poster below: The Sovereign was involved, but wasn't personally on the station.
- What do you mean the sovereign was very much involved.
- The villainess part could be correct if Mantilla is their mother as the Grand Finale implies, though she never fought Rusty.
- The two aren't mutually exclusive, Kim could be a preppy Christian Supervillion
- Jossed it was a mojor part of the season.
- The Monarch claims to have known his father when he was a child, though. But perhaps that was actually his step-father?
- Which means "The Venture Brothers" could have referred to Rusty and the Monarch the whole time.
- As of Season six this is so for getting strongly implied with the showing of the trimmed Monarchs beard making him look a lot like Dr. Venture. Also the reveal that The Monarch's father and Jonas Venture Senior were best friends and have been engaged in group parties with each other and Jonas's habit of sleeping with friends wife....
- "Henry Kissinger" is the identity assumed by Killinger when he offers his advice out in the open, in the "normal world".
- Alternatively, Killinger is Kissinger's identity when working in the underworld.
- One of Gathers' earliest assignments with the OSI was to spy on the 1960s counterculture by posing as a journalist and writer, "Hunter S. Thompson". He was so good at it he worked on the assignment for decades. Gathers faked "Thompson's" suicide shortly before his sex change, knowing that he'd have to devote 100% of his efforts to Black Hearts and later, SPHINX, from that point on.
- A gender-flipped world
- A world where Brock is a Michael Myers-esque serial killer.
- A world where Henchman 24 is seeking to avenge the death of Henchman 21/Gary.
- A Bad Future world.
- A mirror universe world (which would be deconstructed as the finer points of morality are hard to define and the world's "villains" and "heroes" aren't all that different from this world's).
- A Crossover with something (Hopefully)
- That sounds more like Orpheus is being over protective. Would you want Dermott around your daughter?
- Yeah, considering how much Orpheus loves his daughter, it's highly unlikely that she would die without him addressing it except with a casual line.
- the aliens from "Twenty Years to Midnight"
Killinger has the godlike powers, Sovereign the shapeshifting. They all comprise the core of the Guild's power structure, but as Investors (their true form) they work entirely in the shadows.
- Jossed. Though Killinger is the same kind of being as the Investors, he is opposed to their goals and kills them in a duel. The Sovereign is simply a human with shapeshifting powers.
- Another possibility is that the Masked Vigilante is just a character that Rusty made up when he played with the Monarch as kids. All the trauma he's gone through will trigger the memory as a way for Rusty to vent his trauma.
- Jossed, it was the Monarch.
- Alternatively he was useing Jonas's cloning tech and learning beds, and now his mind is in the body he wouldhave had if Rusty hadn't eaten him
- OP Here- Looks like the Man in Blue is the Monarch as the Blue Morpho.
- Wait, so that means... AAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!! EW! EW! EEEWWW!!!
- Unlikely since being triplets would mean they were all born at the same time. It has been implied in the show that Hank and Dean are a few years older than they think (I think they asked why the Id's their father gave them said 21?) Probably due to Dr Venture going on month long trips between opening new clones.
- Jossed, the Grand Finale shows Hank and Dean were artificially gestated.
- Confirmed.
- Actually, it's no secret that Wide Wale and Dr. Dugong were brothers. They were mutated at the same time while they were working on a cancer cure together. Whether Wide Wale knows that the Monarch killed his brother does remain to be seen, but it's plausible that if he doesn't know yet he will find out by the end of season 6.
- Confirmed on all countsin "The Rorqual Affair."
With his relationship with his ex in shambles the only thing The Monarch has going for is his new life as the Blue Morpho and discard his Monarch persona as its only a reminder of his failures as both a villain and a husband.
- Some prime Fridge Brilliance if this is true: when Kano was introduced to the boys in Season 1, he was described as having hands strong enough to crush a boulder, yet gentle enough to crush a butterfly.
- But when the Monarch watches the video, he says neither of the women are his mother.
- Who's to say that was the only time it happened.
- There is one idea: superfetation is a phenomenon where a woman can be impregnated a few weeks into a pregnancy. Since we've never seen Jonas Sr.'s wife, it's possible Jonas and The Blue Morpho both impregnated the same woman.
- Jossed: he's actually an altered Rusty clone.
- Confirmed on all but two counts. Kano didn't pilot the plane, but he did kill the rogue Venturion, prompting his vow of silence. Both make an appearance in season 7. Also, Monarch is not Rusty's brother, but an altered clone of him.
- If this is true, he might end up arching Dean (who seems more likely to follow in their father's footsteps), creating yet another Cain and Abel dynamic.
- Considering the type of person Hank is, I could see him living by Hatreds old motto "Hate to live, don't live to hate."
- If this is true, he might end up arching Dean (who seems more likely to follow in their father's footsteps), creating yet another Cain and Abel dynamic.
- Jossed. He just framed his father, the original Blue Morpho, for his actions.
- And Confirmed
The Monarch's mother is the sister of Jonas Venture, Sr. In the picture where they're together, they have the same hair color and skin tone. The Blue Morpho was her husband, and the Monarch is Jonas' nephew and Rusty's first cousin. Eventually, the Blue Morpho's status as Team Venture's junkyard dog became untenable- it was becoming publicly obvious who the BM worked for, and it was hurting Team Venture's PR. He became a liability. Jonas pressured Kano to engineer an accident on the Blue Morpho's plane. Kano reluctantly complied(hence "killing a great man"- the great man can't have been Jonas because Kano was silent while he was on Team Venture, after BM's death) and Team Venture collected the bounty. Jonas killed his sister, his brother-in-law, and (presumably) attempted to kill his nephew all to preserve his precious public image. To add insult to injury, Jonas made the former BM into a Frankenstein, Venturion, who later became Venadata. Malcolm, later the Monarch, has repressed most of these specific memories, but it's where he gets his hatred of all things Venture.
- Alternatively, Kano physically killed the Blue Morpho and his wife while piloting them, then crashed the plane to cover the murders. He couldn't bring himself to kill Malcolm.
In the Grand Finale of Scooby Doo Mystery Incorporated it was shown that getting rid of The Nibiru entity made the world Lighter and Softer so it stands to reason that if they hadn't defeated it then it would of corrupted them into sociopathic echo's of their former selves. Then once it was fineshed with them it moved on and did the same thing with The Fantastic Four, Jonny Quest, The Hardy Boys and probably many others creating the Crapsack World of the venture bros.
These characters all have established history both personal, such as Rusty, Billy, Pete and the Monarch attending college together with Professor Impossible and the Phantom Limb (I think) teaching or The Monarch being a henchman to the Phantom Limb, and familial such as Jonas Venture Sr. being best friends with the Monarchs dad, The Phantom Limb and Richard Impossible being in Jonas' boys brigade or The Venture Bro's great-great grandfather, The Phantom Limb's grandfather and Red Mantle and Dragoon's grandparents forming the guild of calamitous intent. It would make sense if they were all longtime family friends.
If my theory above about Fantômas and Loyd being family friends is right then it seems unlikely he would do this in reality the sovereign was lying because in reality he came to earth a lot longer than the 70's and usurped the guild himself running it for many years changing names and faces every time he was found out until finally settling on a 70's era David Bowie.
It seems weird that Henchman 21 would react so strongly to killing Haranguetan when he already killed the moppets quite recently but since they Never Found the Body it could be possible he couldn't bring himself to do it so that means they might come back.
- Alternatively he may have locked them up and they were eaten like all his other prisoners.
I realise this is quite an old topic to bring up but it just occurred to me after rewatching "Twenty Years to Midnight". At the end of the episode, an alien disguised as Jonas Venture killed The Grand Galactic Inquisitor insisting that he would have destroyed all life on Earth. This apparently fulfilled a twenty year old prediction that the portal needed to be used at that exact time to save the Earth.
The thing is, the Inquisitor hadn't demonstrated any malevolent intention (he even seemed to take the time out of his day to care for a lost baby). Not only that, the source of this prediction was a message Jonas got from space which an evil alien could have sent just as easily as a good one. Even then, given we have an alien which specifically could impersonate Jonas for all we know that wasn't even Jonas on the tape.
It's quite possible the Inquisitor was actually going to grant humanity eternal chocolate and kittens before he was shot (and the fact that he never got to would fit in well with the theme of failure). He may have even given humanity weapons to fight off a future alien invasion from the other alien's people. The alien killed him in order to prevent humanity from advancing.
- Really, we only have Jonas Venture Sr.'s word that the Inquisitor was a bad guy.
He shared their traits of shapeshifting, vague but immense powers, and snappy suit.
In "Twenty Years to Midnight" an alien took his form to kill The Grand Galactic Inquisitor, that aliens backstory was never told. Then in "All this and Gargantua 2" the Sovereign took his form in front of Dr Girlfriend for no real reason since she had no strong connection to him, maybe Dr Venture is the species "default" human form and when The Sovereign came to earth he realized that another member of his species had already made an identity for that form so he settled on David Bowie.
It was said below that it was the boy's mother but if he really attended Jonas Sr's key party's as implied in "Dr Quymn Medicine Woman".
- Jossed by the Grand Finale.
The Blue Morpho was 'killed' and soon after the Sovereign appeared. They were both shape changers. The Blue Morpho became the Sovereign when he learned how to shape change his head along with his gender. The guild knows little about he Blue Morpho because the Sovereign hid his past.
- The Blue Morpho is Rusty's mother. He is also the Monarch's mother. They are twins.
- The Blue Morpho was accidentally killed by Headshot, who has a superpower/curse that whenever he fires he will hit something in the head.
- All of this was Jossed; Blue Morpho is actually Monarch's father, who died in a plane crash and was reborn as Centurion.
Given the Sovereign's powerful and mysterious nature, he may well have been around for a long time, possibly a very, very long time. At some point, Bowie met the mysterious, ageless Guild leader and decided to emulate his looks and fashion sense.
- The reason she almost never uses her real name or a superhero name is that this would leave a paper trail that someone could use to discover she is immortal, so she simply identifies herself by her current partner.
Additionally, Dean's angst the following season doesn't involve Triana in any way, which supports the idea that this experience helped him get over it.
- One interpretation of the song is that the singer meets a version or a ghost of himself somewhere and Fake-Bowie probably have the world in the form of the Guild. He probably sold the Guild to the investors but he still want to have control over the Guild
- Somewhat comfirmed - Sirena's voice actress said she played her interactions with Rocco imagining "he's probably kind of in love with her".
- Jossed, the only Blue Morphos are Vendata and his son, the Monarch.
- Deeper voice? Working in a male-dominated organization will do that.
- Different hair? Likely just stopped dying it and let it grow out.
- Similar eyes and even similarly-shaped eyebrows.
- Another possibility is the mother is dead, and therefore, was removed from the Fantasy Harem.
- Jossed by the Grand Finale.
- Unlikely, given the time period, transgender surgery wouldn't have been at that level. Besides that, one episode shows him and Jonas having sex with some actresses and they don't react oddly to him.
- Jossed. The Monarch is a clone of Rusty.
- Confirmed by the Grand Finale.
- He could use his stretching powers to change the shape of his vocal chords, thus explaining the different voice.
Doctor Venture is pretty similar to Tom - they're both adventurous scientists, they both take their kids on their missions, they enjoy drugs, both their fathers were obnoxious know-it-alls who performed experiments on their kids and built Robot Buddies that outlived them and still help their children. The Monarch is Paul Saveen's analogue: the hero's half-brother (according to many of the previous WMGs) with a Large Ham personality befitting a Card-Carrying Villain, ofted decked out in a fancy suit and mask and an inexplicable vendetta.
Other analogues are:
- The Funt twins - Dean and Hank.
- King Solomon - that monkey Doc tried to teach boxing in "Doctor Quymn, Medicine Woman".
- Ingrid Weiss - Molotov Cocktease, being a commie instead of a nazi.
- Timmy Turbo - Action Johnny, similar hairdo.
Rusty finds out about all of this somehow and finds his son, Hank, trying to arch Dean. Dean then reveals that he wants out of the super scientist business and Hank finally admits all his frustrations to his father. Rusty finally gets it into his thick skull that Hank is his Unfavorite simply because he reminds Rusty too much of himself. The Monarch and Rusty then both come to the same conclusion, that Hank and Dean are turning out a lot like them as a DNA test comes in proving that Jonas is the Monarch's biological father.
Horrified and disgusted by the kind hearted brothers are starting the whole family feud all over again and Rusty finding out he's a clone like his kids are, Rusty rants like a madman and finally realizes that he hates super science like Dean and that his naive dreams of being the bright eyed adventurer like Hank are hopeless. He denounces his father, cuts his kids off from his money completely note , and denounces Dean for breaking the bro code and Hank for becoming a supervillain over his first girlfriend.
Rusty then realizes how it all led to this and breaks down crying. The Monarch hugs and comforts him and asks everyone to leave the room (everyone being the Guild Council, Hunter, Brock, Hatred, the old Venture team, Billy and Pete, and everyone else important). The Monarch and Rusty have a good long talk and finally admit that they have a lot in common and that they are sick of all the petty games and fights especially when they realize they can't remember why they hated each other in the first place. In the end, Rusty and the Monarch quit the superhero/supervillain world and demand to be taken off the Guild's and OSI's arching lists. Everyone is horrified and outraged as this breaks the treaty and, therefore, is unheard of.
When trying to talk them down Rusty denounces his nickname and demands to be called Dr. Venture or Thaddeus while the Monarch demands to be called Malcolm. The two of them decide to work together on the family business and do mostly non-super science stuff for profit with a little super science on the side, you know, baby steps. Someone decries this as foolish and claims that heroes and villains alike will attack them and kill them without the Guild's or OSI's protection. However, Thaddeus and Malcolm put their heads together and trip out the building with their superscience to make the place impossible to assault without suffering a grisy death.
This causes mass chaos as low level heroes and villains are inspired by this show of defiance. The low level heroes, terrified of their new and dangerous lives, kick the OSI out. The villains arching them, sick of being stuck with the small fry, then break away from the Guild to find bigger challenges. The villains rob banks and stage huge robberies to keep themselves well funded and supplied, something that should be impossible, but it turns out that the low level heroes are supplying them with minor superscience miracles and have hired them as their protection.
Suddenly higher level than expected supervillains are causing chaos that the police and military can't handle and the former superheroes are immune from reprisal as the OSI predicts mass protesting and rioting if they raid their compounds. After all, these former minor level superheroes are the ones curing cancer and ending world hunger. The OSI and Guild decide that their only option is drive a wedge between Thaddeus and Malcolm to get them to renew their arching and stabilize the situation. However, the two former big timers see this coming from a mile away and become ever closer and even more determined to stay out of the super business.
As a last ditch effort, Sphinx, as it was under Gathers, will be reformed and take down as many superheroes and supervillains as possible. However, it's too little too late. The low levels working together are too difficult to take down quickly (despite still dying like flies) and they're too many of them. Sphinx is a cork trying to stop up the ocean. Something is going break and there doesn't seem to be anything to stop it.
And what is the grand finale? Well, this trooper doesn't know, but, damn it, the consequences for the Venture Universe will be major once it's all set and done.
- Hate Bit. Three villains are shown talking to Sovereign after the Massacre. Vendata, Red Death, and Hate Bit. We don't know anything about Hate Bit and it's clear how he would have survived the massacre. He probably doesn't need oxygen. It would Conservation of Detail. He seems like a throw away character, but that's why it would make the reveal that he did it so shocking. It's exactly what the writers would do. As for what his motivation would be, maybe he just "hated" something on the station. If you don't remember Hate Bit watch this video: https://youtu.be/NvQsF1e8FsE
- Vendata, despite the Blue Morpho's insistence that it wasn't him who pulled the lever, he still could have done it. After all, he wasn't the Blue Morpho at the time with his memories mostly gone. He had motive and opportunity.
- Red Death. Had opportunity if not motive just like Hate Bit. It seems like he didn't do it. After all, him just telling the story would make him a main suspect, so it's unlikely that he would tell the story as a brag then deny he did it.
- Manstrong. Had opportunity. For more information see this video.
- The Investors. Could've been disguised as crew easily. Why or how they would do this is beyond this trooper, though.
- It was an accident. A small collision with the villains' ship caused a malfunction of the bay doors. This happening purely by accident would be exceedingly unlikely for it to happen the same time that movie night was happening so an incidental collusion by the villains sneaking up there during movie night is a possibility. Red Death never took off his helmet, so it was likely that he was in the bay when the Bay doors opened. Someone must've stayed on the ship, found him floating in space, and brought him back on board. Whoever was driving the ship at the time probably caused it by accident. Again, since Hate Bit is the only other survivor shown, it was probably him.
- Time Traveling Rusty. We saw a brief scene of Billy Quizboy and Rusty time traveling. Rusty pops up on the station to stop the massacre, gets into a fight with Vendata, and accidently falls on the lever, killing his father.
- It started out as a plot by Red Death, Vendata, and four other up-and-coming supervillains pulling off a Guild-unsanctioned hijacking of Gargantua-1. Vendata confronted Jonas and is the prime suspect for opening the pod bay doors, but he didn't remember any of that.
- Jossed. He and Rusty are clones of the original.
- Jossed in Monarch's case.
- Jossed, the Grand Finale shows Hank and Dean were artificially gestated, so she couldn't have gotten pregnant with them.
- Jossed. The Grand Finale confirms they are Rusty's biological children, though grown in an artificial womb.
Then he tries to join the Revenge Society since that all felt very Start of Darkness-y to him and he just kinda wants to let it ride and see what happens, but when he's rejected he realizes he's going down too much of a dark path and time-travels back to the beginning of this weird bear-clad interlude, leaving his bear costume on The Creep's island, where his past self found it...
- It would explain many things why the Monarch has no memories of his childhood or playing with Rusty at the compound. (he didn't have a learning bed). The Monarch also has one of the symptoms of being a clone, which is excessive hair growth (as according to Old Ben in the Halloween special. Rusty has another symptom: premature baldness).
- To further theorise I think it's also why the Blue Morpho finally split from Dr Venture. Maybe his son died and Jonas gave him a clone as a "replacement". It also ties into the memory issues outlined above; the only thing the Monarch remembers about his childhood is the plane crash. Maybe it happened shortly after he was cloned? Though his memory issues could just be mental and physical trauma from the accident.
- Confirmed. H.E.L.P.eR Model 2 mentions this to Dean after mistaking him for Rusty.
- Most likely Jossed if the implications of the Grand Finale are correct.
- Theres Atleast a chance he blackmailed them to do it. just ask Blue Morpho.
- This has been Jossed In-Universe. She's a ciswoman, her deep scratchy voice is the result of a life of chain smoking.
- It's never stated how they're related.
- Plus we don't even know who Rusty's mom is.
- It's possible that Mrs Fitzcaralldo is their mom.
- Jossed by the Grand Finale.
- By "Arrears in Science," we know that both Jonas and the Blue Morpho have become fusions of man and machine, with the PR Oblem machine able to hack into the software of the building. Jonas might have done more than two such experiments, and Rusty and J.J.'s mother might have served as a prototype of sorts.
- Remember how horrified the Triad was of the apparition of M.U.T.H.E.R.? It may have been played for laughs then, but the Triad has been shown to be able to ascertain longer history (I.E., the truth about Dermott's father), and so might have learned about the process through which a woman was essentially locked within machinery and forgotten by her husband and children.
- M.U.T.H.E.R. might not have been upset about Jonas having psychotropic drugs — she saw him acting as a surrogate parent to a group of children as she was locked up, not even able to contact her own. The unleashing of the psychotropic drugs was revenge for Jonas abandoning her and taking away her humanity, and a means of showing what an irresponsible human being Jonas was.
- Tintin has never been referenced which is weird since he's probably the original boy adventurer and might even be related to the Ventures. He may actually have ended up even more messed up than Action Johnny.
- Though she and Rusty both confirm they never had sex, Mantilla does explain that she got her mother's invisibility powers from Rusty in exchange for "something she wasn't going to use." Given how career focused she is, that "something" is pretty clearly implied to be her eggs. Rusty then fetilized them with his own sperm, and then incubated the twins in an artificial womb (cloning them would come later). Hank gets his blonde hair from her. By extension, Bobbi St. Simone is the boys' maternal grandmother (which even she is unaware of), and Force Majeure is their maternal grandfather.
- It’s also why Dean was crowned Sovereign in the episode, “The Revenge Society”. Not only is his great grandfather one of the founders of the Guild, his maternal grandfather was the previous Sovereign.
- Confirmed in the commentary!
- Hank and Dean have every reason in the world to go No Contact with their father. At this point their "Uncle" Malcolm would really have no reason to mess with them, and they could presumably visit and get to know him as long as he avoided Arching or discussions of Rusty while they were around. Furthermore, they might recognize in Malcolm a version of their Dad who actually had the passion and drive to excel as an adventurer. So, if they were to say "Hey Uncle Malcolm, wanna help us find this Lost City? We'll split the loot with you." he'd probably say yes.
- This could also double as more Revenge on Rusty, as the Monarch would almost certainly be a better father and adventurer than Rusty could ever hope to be.