WMG / Super Paper Mario

Mimi's identity has something to do with Cackletta

In one of Carson's stories, he mentions that Mimi's true identity was "shrouded in mystery". However, he explains some of the theories people had made, like saying that Mimi was a failed Pixl experiment, or, more interesting, was created by a witch who was researching shape-shifting abilities.

We have a character who can also shape-shift and happens to be a witch - Cackletta, the main antagonist from Superstar Saga. In the game, there was a scene where her Peach Robots were shown. If you flip to 3D in SPM, you'll notice Mimi's gears.

This was kinda half-baked, haha!

Mr. L is Luigi's shadow.

Coming off of watching MatPat's theory about Luigi being darker than we realize, this is the conclusion I've come to. In his video, he points out that hypnosis (such as what Nastasia uses on Luigi) cannot make someone do anything they wouldn't otherwise do- it only removes inhibitions. He surmises that Mr. L is a part of Luigi that he seals deep within himself, and that all Nastasia had to do was to unleash him. So here's this troper's two cents.

Mr. L is a part of Luigi- the darkest part, the part that the poor lad in green hates to admit exists. He does truly love and care for Mario, but deep down, there's a part of him resentful towards his brother for always standing in the limelight, while he's eternally left in the shadows. It eats the poor guy up inside, and he does everything he can to deny those feelings- but, as Persona has taught us, that's never going to really solve the problem. Deep in Luigi's psyche, it created Mr. L, his shadow, who embodied all the things the man in green struggled to deny.

Now this troper is imagining Luigi being threatened by Mr. L, needling him with all the things he doesn't want to acknowledge that he feels, until Luigi speaks those fateful words..... 'You're not me!'

• There's a page on this very site that points out the flaw in Mat's argument - if Nastasia's hypnosis is "real" enough to only make people do things they're predisposed to doing already (as opposed to just being magic or video game logic that brainwashes them into doing anything she wants), then she shouldn't have been able to make Peach speak her wedding vows at the start of the game, something she was adamantly against doing until forced to.

Mario released all the Catch Cards after this adventure.

We joke, but he's still Mario.

Mushrooms are unable to withstand interdimensional travel!

This is the only Paper Mario game where healing mushrooms don't exist as carry-on items - similarly to how space food works, maybe travelling between dimensions renders mushrooms inedible and useless in terms of healing. This explains why they've all been replaced by vacuum-sealed Shroom Shakes, and the only ones that haven't are Dried, Poison, Life, and Ghost Shrooms, all of which don't heal you normally or have special attributes.

Castle Beck is actually the same castle the Tribe of Darkness lived in

Carson mentions that it's rumored that the Tribe of Darkness lived in a castle deep in a forest. After Blumiere became Count Bleck, he all but destroyed the dimension, killing everyone and making it the void-like place we see.

• This is disputed by dialogue claiming the castle is actually situated in the center of The Void itself. While it's possible the Tribe of Darkness could've been living in The Void all along before they were wiped out, it's unlikely any humans (like those from Timpani's village) would've done so alongside them.

Tippi is actually one of the original Pixls from Carson/Garson's stories.

Admittedly, I thought this might be better suited for the Fridge page, but there's no actual confirmation of it, so I'll just leave it here...In Carson/Garson's story about the Pixl Queen, it was mentioned that the Ancient who defeated her did so with the help of one of the 12 original Pixls, who was able to see through the illusions the Queen used to protect herself, which is just like how Tippi is able to sense and reveal invisible objects. Also, the story describes how the Pixl in question was damaged beyond repair after the battle — after Tippi falls unconscious, Merlon laments that her Pixl body can't sustain her for much longer. Since the creation of new Pixls was outlawed after the Queen was defeated, it's possible Merlon's only means of saving Timpani when she appeared in Flipside was by transferring her soul into the damaged remains of the Pixl from the story, which he happened to have on hand.

Dimentio isn't as dead as he seems.

Now hear me out here, This Troper isn't just in denial about their favorite character getting Killed Off for Real, but because his death scene, the way it's presented, doesn't make sense. Think about it: when Super Dimentio dies, Luigi gets ejected while Dimentio goes down with it. Except that Super Dimentio consisted primarily of Luigi as a vessel for the Chaos Heart's power. Dimentio just added himself in so that he'd be the one in control of that power (Luigi was already under his mind control at this point). So knowing that, wouldn't it logically be Dimentio who was ejected while Luigi fell alongside it? Not to mention that the particular manner in which Super Dimentio "died" was similar to how he "killed" the protagonists earlier.

Luigi's arcana is the Death arcana

He is depicted in the Dark Prognosticus as the person who was to bring forth the end of all worlds, much like how Pharos/Ryoji was to call forth Nyx and bring about the end of the world.

The restrictions placed on modern Paper Mario games began with this game.

According to this interview released around the same time Paper Mario: The Origami King was, games in the series can no longer feature characters which are significantly modified versions of existing Mario species, and must either feature characters and bosses which debuted in main series titles (such as Gooper Blooper) or create new characters not related to any of them. If one takes a close look at this game, then with the exception of the two previous games' partners making cameo appearances as catch cards and posters in Francis's rooms (as well as certain Underground Monkeys depending on how strict the rules are), then this game seemingly complies with those restrictions, suggesting at least an early version of them was in place during its development.

• Jossed. Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story was made two years after Super Paper Mario and introduced new characters that would have broken the restrictions like the Elite Trio.
  • This specifically refers to the Paper Mario games, not Mario & Luigi. Note that the Elite Trio reappears in Dream Team, which came out one year after Paper Mario: Sticker Star, the game where the new rules officially went into effect and which also prevent the reappearance of previous Paper Mario characters if they would violate them.

Bonechill is the Mario version of Lucifer

According to Tippi's tattle, it implies that Bonechill was once a Nimbi who rebelled against Grambi. Also one should note the way he talks, in Ye Olde Butcherede Englishe, plus the fact that he is an ice monster is very much like how Lucifer is waist deep in ice.

Bonechill is Jaydes' and Grambi's son.

He was their son some 1500 or so years before Super Paper Mario, but somehow turned evil and transformed into an ice dragon. Out of fear, Jaydes and Grambi locked him away deep in the Underwhere so he couldn't steal the Pure Heart, which would later be transformed into Luvbi.

The reason Bonechill was made easy...

...was to make up for the Overthere being so complicated.

• It's also known that Luigi as a playable character was a late addition, and Bonechill wasn't ever balanced with him in mind. The "intended" strategy is to use Thoreau to grab the icicles and throw them back at his head, and the fight is considerably harder if done this way.

Super Paper Mario is not real

It's just doodles drawn by a Mario fanboy during math class. This explains the math in the sky thing.

• The math in the sky... which has Fire Flower and Mushroom symbols in it.
  • Mario's not very good at math. He can't keep track of more than 99 coins at a time.

Mimi is the same species as "the Thing"

Mimi can change shape and imitate other people perfectly. So can The Thing. The Thing's other forms include a spider with an upside-down head◊. Mimi's true form is... a spider with an upside-down head◊.

• This. So very much. Mimi frigging belongs in a horror movie anyways, just look at the way she snaps her head... and oh that chatter. "MIMIMIMIMIMIMIMI..." *shudders* If Super Paper Mario had more realistic graphics, it could have been a T-rated game, just because of Mimi.

Bleck's attempts to fulfill the Dark Prognosticus only failed because he used the wrong Man in Green.

The real Man in Green called for by the prophecies was Link.

• Someone ought to make a fanfic out of this!

Luigi is NOT the fourth hero.

The Light Prognosticus comments that Luigi will decide whether the light or dark pragnosticus will come into play, but never states that the "man in green" is also one of the heroes. He glows along with the others when the pure hearts are restored, but that is because of his role as the key, not because of being a hero. Rather, Tippi is the fourth hero. After all, she's helping save the world just as much, if not more, than the playable characters are.

• But the Light Prognosticus states that they would be led to the final hero after the first part in the Underwhere ordeal! Plus why didn't Tippi glow with the heroes?

Mario and Luigi are descendants of the Tribe of Ancients.

It's a long theory but here goes!

The Tribe of Ancients is spoken of as a highly advanced civilization possessing great magical power with their influence being felt across many dimensions. Much about them is shrouded in mystery although they were great believers in The Power of Love. They felt that love would be able to save the universe from complete destruction one day and through their powers, created the Pure Hearts that the Heroes of Light are destined to find and use. Coincidentally, Mario and Luigi are two of these heroes.

When Count Bleck hears of Mario defeating his minion Mimi, he doesn't seem particularly surprised by this. He then says "A Light Prognosticus hero... descendants of the Ancient Tribe... their power grows..." Perhaps Count Bleck is being vague about this but who else could he be referring to at this point, in the same sentence, as a Light Prognosticus hero and descendant of the Ancient Tribe but Mario? Not the Pixls; they were created as living tools by the Anicents and not the likes of Merlee or Merlon either even if they too are supposed descendants of the Ancient Tribe; they don't really feature in the book itself. As Luigi is Mario's twin brother, he too must be an Ancient Tribe descendant. There is also his role with the Chaos Heart to consider as well.

So now the magic power. Mario and Luigi can use a wide variety of Elemental Powers from fire, and ice and though the Ancients were supposed to be lacking in physical strength, the brothers more than make up for this with their Super-Speed and Super-Strength which is partially why they are named as Heroes of Light: because they have abilities that the Ancients did not have. They have also been getting even stronger in recent games.

This magic might be the reason why the Pixls respond to them as well since they were apparently 'waiting for a new master'. It would make sense for them being created by the Ancients, to adopt someone from the Ancient Tribe as their new masters. Even Tippi, who wasn't a Pixl to begin with, is drawn to both brothers, seemingly having unrequited love for both or at least strong affection.

Now the thing about having influence across many dimensions. It's been established with Mario & Luigi: Paper Jam that the Paper Mario universe exists as a book in the Mario & Luigi universe. Does this mean that the brothers in the Mario & Luigi are not descended from the Ancient Tribe? Not so. These can be construed as merely separate dimensions with the brothers being essentially the same people in both dimensions. In the Mario & Luigi universe, they're simply not known as Heroes of Light but as Star Children instead, per Yoshi's Island DS. These may take place in the same universe as Kamek specifically refers to the time he tried kidnapping them in Mario & Luigi: Partners in Time. Super Mario Galaxy and Super Mario Galaxy 2 also shows the brothers crossing huge amounts of space-time which is exactly what the Ancients did as they travelled to new places spreading word of the hero of legend.

Now back to the Chaos Heart. This is referred to in the Dark Prognosticus which was once owned by the Tribe of Ancients. From the Tribe of Ancients branched off the Tribe of Darkness implying that there was always an element of darkness within the Tribe of Ancients to begin with. The book also has an interesting line read by Count Bleck: "Though the man in red shall wield formidable powers, one shall stand against him. The man in green shall use the Chaos Heart's power to bring darkness to all." This as it turns out, refers to Mario and Luigi. It may be that Mario and Luigi represent both the light and the dark side of the Ancients in this regard (not necessarily Dark Is Evil; light and darkness are needed equally for the sake of balance) and as such, are noted in the book.

So the Tribe of Ancients believed in love and thought it would save the universe which is true as the Pure Hearts vanquish the Chaos Heart. But the Pure Hearts needed reviving with love. Did the prophecy say that love had to be romantic only? The Pure Hearts activated the first time when Mario, Luigi, Peach and Bowser were together- the four heroes united. Let's look at the four heroes:

• Bowser loves Peach though it's very much a forbidden, obsessive love.
• Peach doesn't love Bowser although she doesn't hate him either. Indifferent love then.
• Bowser hates Mario with a passion and probably hates Luigi as well although he ignores him more. So hate and indifference.
• Peach loves (or at least is very affectionate towards Mario) and is quite affectionate towards Luigi but not necessarily in love with him. So love and affection.
• Mario and Luigi have been previously shown to care for each other and have very strong bonds. Just look at Luigi's Mansion and Luigi's Mansion: Dark Moon for for such moments. So brotherly love.

All these interpretations of love is what helps the Pure Hearts break the Chaos Heart in the first place. Between Mario and Luigi, their brotherly love is what helps Luigi survive the Chaos Heart process when he was fused with it and Dimentio despite it being, you know, an evil artifact intended to destroy the entire multiverse. Mario, nodding to Luigi at the end, recognizes what Luigi has been through and reaffirms their bond. So for Mario and Luigi, love helped save them which, as mentioned before, was a particular trait of the Ancients.

Yep. Mario and Luigi are descendants of the Tribe of Ancients. [[TV Tropes Will Ruin Your LifeThat's my major theory done then.]]

Count Blumiere and Timpani are in the Mushroom Kingdom

After their marriage they end up in a place with "regular" (as close to it gets, anyway) looking trees and such. In the context of SPM, there is only one place that looks like this, the Mushroom Kingdom.

Dimentio is Phanto.

Similar sounding names? Faces look alike? Both inspire Nightmare Fuel? Do you see where I'm going with this?

Mimi is a Homonculus.

Those aren't rubees...She was a Homonculus who could shapeshift (a prototype of Envy?). And her true form is a monster, who spits red stones...

Mimi is a Spy.

Wut? The disguising? The smoke effect when she does? The tricking you into Stupidity Is the Only Option? Boys, it's a spah!
Mimi probably somehow got a Spy's disguise kit (or a Your Eternal Reward) and uses it all the friken time. My guess is she (somehow, for some reason) lived in the world where TF2 takes place and her 'father' (if she had one) taught her how to use the disguise kit, making her the first (or second) female Spy, which explains why she uses the tricks an experienced Spy would use. She probably also has the Invisibility Watch and uses it when she chases you in Chapter 2-4. I mean, she suddenly appears when you stay somewhere too long (the Invisibility Watch works for a short time and has to reload each time you turn visible). The explosion in 2-3? Dead Ringer.

The Chaos Heart wasn't destroyed!

As it was never established what the Pure Hearts do, this is plausible. The Pure Hearts only suppressed the Chaos Heart.

• If so, when it was suppressed, it went straight to the only suitable host: Luigi.
  • It follows that this will manifest as a Superpowered Evil Side later on, and may in fact be responsible for his creepy Final Smash in Super Smash Bros. Brawl.

Blumiere's father was the original Count Bleck.

He did seem to have a bit of a Straw Nihilist aesthetic similar to his son, only he believed that Humans Are Bastards compared to the "life is meaningless" mindset Blumiere had, but he wasn't inherently evil. Blumiere becoming the next Count Bleck and the near end of all reality was just an indirect result of the original Bleck's sheer hatred of humanity.

Merlon's mustache is his arms.

Look at Merlon's mustache. Those little circles at the bottom look suspiciously like fingers and his arms are never shown. His mustache also appears to move unnaturally most of the time.

Dimentio didn't want The End of the Multiverse as We Know It at the end of Super Paper Mario.

OK, he was insane, but he obviously opposed Count Bleck's plans about destroying all worlds. Yet, many say that, after his final defeat, he tried to destroy everything in a Taking You with Me attempt. Wrong: what is said is that he leaved a shadow behind him, so that it could control the Chaos Heart into destroying everything...I add, everything except the Heart and the shadow themselves. Then the shadow clone could have created an universe for himself and ensured his existance beyond the original's death. Basically: "I'll follow the Count's false plan...or at least another myself will."

• There's also the mindset of "If I can't rule the multiverse, then no one will", which would still equate to wanting to make the multiverse cease to exist. Besides, technically, he left a shadow of his power behind, not a shadow of himself, and it was also explicitly stated that it will last long enough to destroy all existence.

The Dimentio in the game is actually Shadoo

Alright, since this is Wild Mass Guessing I made, I believe it to be true...Count Bleck mentioned that Dimentio left a shadow of himself. Shadoo is still alive and controlling the Chaos Heart! And why did Shadoo want to be the heroes of prophecy? Well, because he wanted to destroy everybody! And where is the real Dimentio? Somewhere in the Underwhere most likely...

Alternatively... Shadoo is or related to Doopliss

Think about it, who else would mimic heroes and fight them with their abilities?

Dimentio wrote the Dark Prognosticus.

He's actually millions of years old, and wrote his own prophecy...and planned to carry them out himself. But he needed a pawn — Count Bleck — and used him as a tool to carry out the plans of the Dark Prognosticus. When Count Bleck had no further use to Dimentio, he intended to kill him and carry out the rest of the plan.

• Also supported by Super Dimentio, who looks almost exactly like Dimentio.
  • The game sort of implies this to be true... then again, there are several pieces that imply a much, much deeper plot at hand. Dimentio is Merloo, the Ancient sage who is never mentioned outside of the stain-glass picture of him, which when tattled, says had similar abilities to Dimentio and was also involved in writing the Light Prognosticus. If this is the case, Dimentio wrote both books, plotting things to go exactly how he wanted for many years.
  • I can believe that. Very plausible. But why would Dimento change his name?
  • If Dimentio really is Merloo, then his entire plan would probably rely on changing his name. Merloo's depiction in the stain-glass picture indicates that he is a recognizable historical figure, meaning that anyone with knowledge about the Tribe of Ancients/Darkness would know exactly who he was once they heard his name. That includes Count Bleck. Dimentio's gambit relied on Bleck thinking of him as an Affably Evil fool, and that wouldn't have been possible if everyone knew Dimentio had written the Prognosticus.

Nastasia has geass

• She gives someone a look, a flash of red light appears, and they follow her orders. Sound familiar?

Dimentio is Ulyaoth.

I played Eternal Darkness first, of course, but just looking at the character sheet for Ulyaoth after having played SPM made me laugh...and then be mortified at the idea. Alternately, he's Xel'lotath after going even more crazy as a result of whatever rites or process turned him into an Eldritch God-figure.

• Xel'lotath is a girl, dude. Unless you think he BECAME a girl after whatever his ultimate fate was at the end of Super Paper Mario.

Dimentio is Nyarlathotep

• I'm surprised no one has come up with this one yet. Dimentio posesses strange powers dealing with other worlds, he's a manipulative bastard that subtly brings harm to every living creature, and behind the mask of sillyness his mind is completely alien. Perhaps Dimentio was yet another of Gnarlys many masks, sent to bring destruction and ruin to mankind.

Dimentio, like Giygas, was driven insane from his power.

I'm not suggesting they're related, but I am suggesting that what happened to Giygas at the end of EarthBound happened to Dimentio. He was probably completely sane at one point, a skilled magician, and who may have even been a nice guy. However, eventually he discovered other kinds of magic, and began to use them. Over time, each spell took away a part of his sanity, and his newfound power replaced it. Soon, the dark magic he tried to control was controlling him. He used this power to obliterate his world, leaving only a small piece, which became Dimension D. He gained a thirst for destruction and a lust for power. Coupled with his lack of sanity, only one thing seperated his mental state from Giygas'; he knew what he was doing, and enjoyed it.

The Flipside (and Flopside) Pit of 100 Trials looks like the LCD screen of a Game & Watch system because it is one.

Seriously, can you think of another reason why it does?

The Void hasn't actually been stopped, just hindered

The Exact Words referring to the Void are: "The void will swallow all... naught can stop it... unless the one protected by the dark power is destroyed." Assuming is dangerous, but — if memory serves — there's really only one "dark power" at work in Super Paper Mario: the Chaos Heart. There are several people who could qualify as "the one protected by the dark power", though. Bleck and Dimentio are the first to come to mind. While both were shielded by the Chaos Heart for some amount of time, both were also made vulnerable by the Pure Hearts, rendering that protection useless.

The prophecy never said anything about using the 'dark power', though, just being protected by it, which means that there is a third candidate. Considering the fact that the final battle presumably killed Dimentio, but did absolutely nothing to Luigi— who, logically, should have been hurt, since he played the role of 'host'— it's a distinct possibility that he was protected by the Chaos Heart, as per the prophecy. Of course, since he's still alive, one has to wonder about the void, too — hence the WMG.

• Considering the Void went away at the end, it may be that the Purity Heart will serve to keep it benign until Luigi dies on his own.
  • Or it could still be Dimentio. Destroyed and killed are not really the same thing, and the Dark Prognosticus probably would have said "killed" if that's what it meant. That means that Dimentio will actually have to cease to exist entirely for the Void to collapse and vanish forever.

There will be no Whacka in Paper Mario 3DS.

• If the series will still take the Darker and Edgier route, there will be an graveyard-esque level, (Not necessary one, but close to one) and one of the tombstones there would say something about the "Whacka" species being gone. and as an Continuity Nod, is you jump straight up from the tombstone, a hidden block will appear with an Whacka Bump.
• No tombstone, but there is indeed no Whacka in Paper Mario: Sticker Star.

The reason Luvbi still exists at the end...

• Is because when she was erased, she technically died and thus went to the overthere.
  • Actually, Luvbi is the White Pure Heart. She wasn't erased, because we saw the Pure Hearts appear and stop the Chaos Heart. It's more likely that when the Void was stopped, Luvbi went back to the Overthere.

Dimentio is from Derse.

The color of his skin, the clothing... Anyone else got any ideas?

Dimentio is responsible for Count Bleck

• Tippi somehow recognizes Dimentio when seeing him in Chapter 1. Dimentio was the assassin Blumiere's father sent after Timpani all that time ago. It's also sort of implied that Dimentio wrote the Dark Prognosticus.
• Or, Dimentio may have tipped off Timpani and Blumiere's forbidden relationship to the latter's father as a massive Batman Gambit, setting the stage for Count Bleck. This could answer the question how Blumiere's father found out, and another reason why Tippi may have recognized him in Chapter 1. This also solidifies Dimentio further as the story's true Big Bad.

Bowser, not Luigi is the prophesied Man in Green.

Both Count Bleck and Dimentio targeted the wrong character. The Prophecy is still going on.... At some point Bowser will resummon the Chaos Heart and become an even worse threat than Dimentio and Count Bleck! Remember! Bowser tried to tear down the universe and rebuild it in his image just like Dimentio tried with the Multiverse!

Tippi's Pixl form is the same one mentioned in Carson's story of the Pixl Queen

Carson mentions in his story that the Ancient who took out the Pixl Queen was the inheritor of a Pixl who could "see the truth", and that that Pixl's power allowed him to see through the illusions cast by the queen. He also states that the Pixl was killed in the ensuing battle, and that as a result of the Pixl Queen's rise to power, the creation of all new Pixls was outlawed after her defeat.

• If this were true, Merlon couldn't have created a new Pixl to house Timpani's soul, not to mention, he probably wouldn't have known how — his only other option would be to use one that he already had on him.
• Merlon states at one point that Tippi's Pixl body doesn't have long to sustain her, which could work if it had been damaged during the battle against the Pixl Queen, leading to its original occupant's death.
• Tippi also has the power to see through illusions and glimpse invisible objects, just like the Pixl was said to.

Dimentio won.

• At the end of Super Paper Mario, at some point in time after becoming Super Dimentio, the jester used his powers to create an illusion where the heroes defeated him. In reality, he was doing this to give everybody a false sense of hope...So that he could crush it at the last minute. The truth is, he really did destroy all worlds. "But how" you may ask, "are there still Paper Mario games?" Well, after SPM, that's when the Paper Mario games got...iffy. cuter, cuddlier, funnier, less serious, and definitely less story-oriented. There was a radical shift in tone and plot that everyone is aware of, and none of the previous games are even mentioned at any point in time. Well, you know how Dimentio said that - after he erased every existing world - he'd replace them with "perfect" worlds? These are his worlds. First, a world themed around stickers, and then a world themed around colors. It fits with his silly personality a little, as well. He did this both to cause misery to Paper Mario fans after seeing how negatively they reacted to change in Super Paper Mario, and to destroy the unity of the four heroes by making Bowser the "villain" so as to create discord and enmity amidst the heroes and heroine. This is because not only are they are powerless unless in unity, but creating anarchy will obviously power something called the Chaos Heart. He doubled down on the story because he knew that if things got too complicated, then the characters would start to think more about their situation...Which could lead to them figuring out too much. And think about it — where is Luigi in these games? Paper Luigi? In Sticker Star, he was a mere hidden extra, and not even as his paper self like the rest of the cast! But rather as his old 8-bit sprite from Super Mario Bros.. In Color Splash, he's mostly the same, albeit at least paper this time. And in Paper Jam, he only gets ONE cameo! All of these are also suspiciously mute...Almost as if Dimentio is not only trying to hide him, but also silenced him so that he couldn't tell Mario the truth of what was going on. Fortunately, Luigi's roles seem to be slowly growing. He had a cameos as an NES sprite in SS, appeared as his actual paper self in PJ (probably only to distinguish him from regular Luigi) albeit only in one cameo, but got upgraded back to several cameos again in CS. Maybe he'll eventually get an expanded role and reveal everything...? Oh, and this whole thing doesn't just apply to Paper Mario. Perhaps when Paper Jam happened, Dimentio gained control over the Mario & Luigi universe as well, and seeing Luigi - even if not his paper self - he panicked and stopped the M&L timeline from progressing after this crossover, which is why the only Mario & Luigi games following this one ever since have only been remakes. He's afraid that if time continues to flow after PJ, then Luigi will eventually notice that he has no paper counterpart which will have an undesirable domino effect for the now-almighty jester.
  • Does this mean that Dimentio was somehow responsible for the origami takeover?
    • Well, suspiciously King Olly does have similar colors to Dimentio, a pointed hat, were both associated with royalty (Dimentio's the court jester, Olly's the king), and even a more jagged shape compared to the normal characters. They even have similar goals; commit genocide to create a new world.

Tiptron will go Rampant.

• In the postgame, after you acquire Tiptron, scanning Francis will have her remark that he created her before immediately arguing that she's Tippi and nobody created her. This fits the Melancholia stage of Rampancy.

Luigi's hidden resentment is the reason he's the ideal host for the Chaos Heart

It's never explicitly stated out loud, but it's hinted at both here and in some of the Mario spinoffs that Luigi has a dark side to him that he doesn't want to admit exists. In Paper Mario, in his dairy, you read about his complaints of not being able to go on an adventure like Mario. In Super Smash Bros. Brawl, his final smash is a negative zone that was stated to represent his pent-up frustration and jealousy of being in Mario's shadow for so many years manifested into reality. Notably, in Mario & Luigi: Partners in Time, when only Luigi is barred from passing through the Star Gate. It's all of those negative emotions the Gate is sensing, most of which can be traced to an extreme sense of insecurity of not being able to measure up to his brother in the eyes of others, at least in that series since the Running Gag with Luigi there is that no one recognizes him enough to even bother trying to remember the poor guy's name.

There's also the fact that Luigi was able to completely bond with the Chaos Heart into an Eldritch Abomination compared to Count Bleck who could only draw out enough power to use it as a shield. It would imply that Luigi's more resentful of his brother Mario than Count Bleck is of his father, the Ancients, and all worlds combined.

Dimentio is actually the mask. He's been possessing the body of an innocent man (or woman) for years.

It would explain why his mask is able to make facial expressions, and why his past is a near-total blank—he's an Artifact of Doom rather than a person.

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