- Tooth may not be in love with Jack but she is at least attracted to him.
- Actually, he kind of is a little boy- he was 13 or 14 when he died and is at least a century younger than her.
- …is Jamie, just like the first kid to believe in Jack.
- …is Mary. William Joyce's daughter, Mary Katherine, passed away and he dedicated the books to her. One of the characters in the books is named Katherine; thus perhaps Jack's sister got the other half of the name.
- ...is Emma. She would later become a mutant.
- Considering the film takes place 300 years after Jack's death, odds are Jack's sister has many descendants.
- Yes, and the WMG is about Jamie being one of them
- Never said he wasn't, just pointing out that Jack most likely has lots of family members throughout the whole world.
- Yes, and the WMG is about Jamie being one of them
- It helps that Jamie lives in the same town where Jack lived before drowning.
- Also worth noting: in the script, Jack's sister is explicitly described as resembling Jamie's sister Sophie.
- He did die. He was revived/reborn as Jack Frost.
- The Man in the Moon did not create Pitch. Read the books.
- The movie canon might still differ from the book canon. It's not unusual for animated movie adaptions to differ from the source material, even in core elements. Also, I like the idea that there might be a spirit of Halloween - whether it's Pitch or not.
- Jossed. William Joyce, the author of the books, was involved with the movie and in the books, Bunnymund was a Pooka.
- I (a different person from the original guesser) haven't read the books yet, but I have read discussions of them and the movie, and based on supplemental material and (minor) details in the film, the film's universe and the books' universe can't be the same. They're similar, but there are enough differences that Bunny and Bunnymund could have different origins (especially since the Tooth Fairy in the movie says they were all mortal once).
- While I (Yet another third party) agree that there are a lot of differences between book and movie, Tooth’s statement about all of them being mortal doesn't necessarily mean they were all once human (Or a species we are familiar with as would be the case with the bunny vs. pooka debate)
- (Second poster again) Tooth specifically says that they were all "someone", which doesn't have to mean mortal. Also, the movie is intended to be in the same canon as the books, and not in a different universe. It helps that the supplemental material was mostly created by the artists, and artist interpretation has, in the past, contradicted Word of God.
- Nightlights help children brave their fear of the dark, while Mother Goose's Nursery Rhymes are very imaginative. While Nightlight is not mentioned to be a Guardian, it is possible.
Note: Since this WMG refers to titles used in the movies, it has been placed here and not on the The Guardians of Childhood page.
- Also Jack seems to have some limited interaction with the world around him regardless of belief, like how you don't have to believe in him to have your window frozen over, or one of his snowballs hit the back of your head.
- Ombric, in the books, is fairly important and a Guardian (probably Guardian of Knowledge). He is a very old bearded man who carries a staff and is a wise teacher. In the second book, he starts dabbling in time travel. Considering that all of the Guardians are mythical figures or people from folklore, Ombric seemed to be the odd one out. But if he was Father Time, then everything would make sense.
- Probably not, considering he arrived on Earth after getting overwhelmed. Most likely, considering what happened in the third book, he became willing to use his powers for good after the books but became too good at his job so the Man in the Moon asked the Guardians to put him in his place. This led to him not being believed in and swearing revenge.
- The Leprechaun (as mentioned in the movie) for St. Patrick's Day.
- The Groundhog (as mentioned in the movie) for Groundhog's Day.
- Mother Nature.
- She's Pitch's daughter, and made an appearance in the third book.
- Father Time.
- Cupid for Valentine's Day.
- Probably not as Valentine's is focused more on people older than children, like single teenagers or adults looking for love.
- So maybe he wasn't Guardian material for that reason, but he might still exist as some kind of spirit like Jack was before becoming a Guardian.
- If children need a Guardian of Love, what about the Stork? Children mostly feel familial love, and the Stork comes every time the family gets a new member.
- Probably not as Valentine's is focused more on people older than children, like single teenagers or adults looking for love.
- Jack Skellington
- Only in a crossover since Halloween doesn't technically have anything specific to represent it. At least, not in recent times.
- His mischief caused while unintentionally trying to take over and subsequently save Christmas made North angry either way. That's why he isn't an official guardian.
- What about Jack O' Lantern?
- Yes, maybe he becomes a Guardian as redemption for his life of drinking and trickery so he'll finally be allowed into Heaven and his millennia-long wandering may finally end.
- Or La Calavera Catrina (The Elegant Skull) since she is an icon for the holiday Day of The dead, set around the same time as Halloween (either one could be a spirit of Autumn)
- Sam Hain?
- He exists, but not in the Guardians universe. Michael Dougherty created a character named Sam who appears as a child in pajamas and a burlap mask, but appears underneath as a human/pumpkin hybrid. Sam enforces the rules of Halloween (Always wear a costume, always hand out treats, don't blow out a jack-o-lantern before midnight, etc), albeit brutally. It fits, considering he's a horror movie character. A less violent version would fit right in with the Guardians, though.
- Also worth considering: Halloween — while being a time for remembering one's ancestors — is also a festival of lights in a season when the days grow shorter and nights grow longer. Perhaps there might be a Guardian as suggested here to help children to laugh in the face of their fears, or at least, to see them through it?
- Jack Skellington, while as fun as it sounds. Would never happen. Since one is Touchstone (Owned by Disney) and the other is Dreamworks (A massive rival)
- Then again, you wouldn't think Bugs Bunny and Mickey Mouse would ever share a screen, but they have (granted as a cameo with restrictions from the studios, but it still happened).
- Only in a crossover since Halloween doesn't technically have anything specific to represent it. At least, not in recent times.
- Either Lady Liberty or Uncle Sam for the Fourth of July (Obviously with a limited area of influence)
- Turkey for Thanksgiving (again, limited area of influence).
- As shown in the movie, the European Tooth Division, is made of mice, working for or with the Tooth Fairy.
- The Fairy Godmother. What better person to be a guardian than someone famous for bringing lost love and comfort to lonely children?
- Possibly combined with the idea of a wishing star.
- The 12 animals in the Chinese Zodiac, for the Chinese New Year.
- It properly should be mentioned that only two of the Guardians are attached to a holiday, so we should properly think of some guesses of candidates that work through the year, like Fairy Godmother.
- Muses who could easily fill the role of inspiration and imagination.
- The Grim Reaper. And anyone who doesn't think that it would be possible for such an entity to serve as protective, I direct you towards the Discworld books.
- He'd be the Guardian of Souls, and a bringer of peace to those who suffer too much.
- Guy Fawkes. Although what exactly he'd be guarding is a bit of a mystery, if Uncle Sam and the Thanksgiving Turkey get a spot then he so should he.
- Um. Guy Fawkes Day is about how he was prevented from blowing up The Houses of Parliament. It would be like having Osama Bin Laden as the Guardian for 9/11.
- Batman is not a Guardian, but a local spirit confined to Gotham. He forms a symbiotic relationship with a human successor when the previous Batman cannot continue. He does not get along with Pitch because he refuses to scare children. He does not get along with the other Guardians because they are adults and he frightens them.
- What about Lady Luck?
- Unlikely to be chosen as a Guardian, but Murphy, Spirit of the Perversity of the Universe.
- Sun Wukong, the Monkey King. Come to think of it, he has a lot of similarities with Jack Frost.
- If there is a European Tooth Division, what about a European Christmas Division? Christkind, the Yule Lads, and Saint Nicholas himself could be working with North.
- Mother Hulda/Frau Holle is a grandmotherly fairy or wise old woman type of being. She could be a spirit of household chores, magic, or snow.
- Jamie.
- The Krampus. Someone needs to fill in the void Pitch's fall from grace left, and it might as well be Santa's naughty list enforcer. Considering that in the book! continuity the Easter Bunny is a phooka, the Krampus of Rot G is probably a faun that wandered north as a child to the Alps from Italy, got found by North, and subsequently was adopted as North's younger brother of sorts. Has a particular vendetta against bullies due to his appearance, but is more focused on teaching children lessons than out-and-out scaring them into submission as Pitch was wanting to do. Wears chains and bells as a fashion statement.
- Totoro. He could be the Guardian of Innocence or something.
- As stated in his WMG page, Barney used to be the Guardian of Imagination, but he decided that he wasn't cut out for the position. So, he talked to the others and they agreed to give the title to Mother Goose while he left to do his own thing.
- First and foremost, William Joyce
- Jim Henson
- Walt Disney
- John Lasseter
- J.K. Rowling
- Jeffrey Katzenberg
- Michael Scott
- Eoin Colfer
- Dr. Seuss
- Suza Scalora
- Fred Rogers
- Rick Riordan
- Dan Aykroyd
- Robert and Richard Sherman
- Terry Pratchett
- Neil Gaiman (these latter two also remind adults to not stop believing as well.)
- Roald Dahl
- L. Frank Baum
- Raffi
- Shigeru Miyamoto
- Hayao Miyazaki
- Stan Lee
- Don't forget Jesse Owens cuz his performance in the Olympics causes hope and wonder to this very day.
- One of the storyboard artists wrote a comic about a meeting between Pitch and H.P. Lovecraft.
- Jonathan Bernstein
- Lauren Faust
- I like to think that I am an ally to the Guardians since I made a couple of YouTube videos about possible Guardians.
- Maybe he'll become the Guardian of Belief?
- His actor also said his center would be trust.
- Maybe he was responsible for teaching children that it is OK to be afraid, just don't let your fear control you.
- In a comic tied to the movie canon, Pitch described his duty as teaching children caution through fear. "Don't leave the safety of the camp. There are monsters with sharp teeth that will snatch you up."
- Maybe he was responsible for teaching children that it is OK to be afraid, just don't let your fear control you.
- He was General Winter!
- Alternative, there IS a separate General Winter just as there are tooth mice as well as tooth fairies, but he is far from as fun-loving as Jack.
- He was General Winter!
- Partly Jossed. In the books, he became Pitch Black because he was tricked into opening a prison of Shadows and Fearlings when they imitated his daughter's voice. After that, he pretty much went on an evil rampage. Of course, this doesn't mean that he doesn't try to use his powers for good after the end of the book series, but ends up snapping as stated above.
- Confirmed in this comic. Pitch used fear as a means to stop children from wandering off on their own and getting hurt.
- Tooth is not human, her skin is naturally that color. Her species The Sisters of Flight looks the same, as she does. Also, she is not vaguely Indian, she is Southeast Asian. Joyce has not stated her precise race.
The Anti-Guardian roster:
-Baba Yaga.... arguably the original Wicked Witch.
-The Tall Tailor/Scissorman.....neat freak who cuts the thumbs off of kids who suck them.
-Krampus/Belsnickel.... punishes naughty kids at Christmas
-Bloody Mary...The specter that appears in the mirror when the name is called
-And last but not least, Pitch's newest recruit. He was a young guy, possibly a child himself. Used to be a notorious internet troller. Now he's Slender Man.
- Oh my gosh that is too freaky!!!!
-Ox-Head and Horse-Face....creatures of the underworld in Chinese folklore. Legion of Doom incoming.
-To tie in with the Batman WMG above, a few members of his Rogues Gallery would make worthy candidates, specifically the Scarecrow, similar to the Dark Knight who would easily get along with Pitch.
Jack's Center being fun sheltered him from that.
The reason being is that he gets his power, not from belief in The Sandman, but belief in the dreams themselves, and there is nothing people cherish more than their dreams. This is why he can defeat Pitch so easily when fully powered.
They both have a similar premise — fictitious characters coming to life because of children's belief — and both have a group of characters who defend the world from evil characters. The only reason the two series haven't been shown as crossing over is that two different companies own them.
Origin is, according to the Type-Moon wiki, "the starting point that defines one's existence and directs one's actions throughout life. It is the driving force from the inside of Akasha that managed to stream out of the Source and take material form. These actions are more along the lines of an inherent compulsion that could be called a person's instinct rather than a conscious decision."
Works, if only because, like North, Touko used Matryoshka Dolls to explain Origin in the seventh The Garden of Sinners movie.
Conclusion? Sometime before the end of the novel series, the Guardians will figure out how to separate Kozmotis Pitchiner from the Fearlings that devoured him. Pitchiner gets returned to his daughter, while some remnant of the creature he used to be (possibly powered by corrupted dream-sand) takes on the names "Pitch Black" and "The Boogieman" continues as a separate entity. Without Pitchiner and the Fearlings, he no longer has the power he once wielded, and the Guardians can reasonably assume he won't prove a threat once the Dark Ages end. It then takes him 300+ years to find a new source of power and try to take his revenge, which is where the movie picks up.
- He's just anti-social, due to being unseen by any of the humans.
- North is Europe/Russia
- Tooth is Southeast Asia/India (Alternately, South America)
- Bunnymund is Australia and Oceania
- Jack Frost is North America
- Sandman is Africa — or, less likely, the Middle East
- Tooth gets too sick to do the job she loves, Bunny becomes cute, but useless, and North's old age catches up with him. With Jack, he becomes unseen again, or maybe even turns back into a freezing corpse, maybe even going so far as dying.
- According to the latest storybook for the Guardians of Childhood, Jack is Nightlight.
- Potentially Jossed as of the latest picture book, where Jack is Nightlight.
One noticeable thing is that the modus operandi of both whatever corrupted the Fearlings/Pitch and the Nightmare Forces/Nightmare Moon and Nightmare Rarity is the corruption of good creatures (the Fearlings and nightmare creatures are evil-ified children and moon denizens, respectively), powers over darkness, and exploitation of their enemies' deepest fears and/or desires.
The evil forces even have a kind of hierarchy as well—to get anything done, the now-corrupted creatures seem to actively seek out someone to make their ruler and leader. This ruler is seen to have been duped/manipulated into the job when the force takes advantage of their flaws & weaknesses...whether they be man or pony. Then the dominant spirit of evil enters and takes over the body and mind of the prospective ruler, basically turning them into its avatar—be it Pitch or Nightmare Moon/ Nightmare Rarity. This dominant spirit may even be the same, being genderless until it inhabits an avatar...and as a result, acts a bit differently depending on the original host's personality. To put the icing on the cake, Pitch and Nightmare Rarity were both defeated when the protagonists used the power of good memories to restore the faith of children everywhere in the former and Rarity's faith in herself in the latter, leading to the avatar's ultimate defeat. And finally, Pitch threatens his return with As Long as There Is Evil...while after her first defeat inhabiting Luna, Nightmare Moon does return in the comics inhabiting Rarity.
The incredible similarity of all this can not be just a coincidence, people. This may also explain Pitch's Bond Villain Stupidity as well since Pitchiner is by now just a prisoner in his own body trying to escape or at the very least staunch Pitch's evil.
For bonus points: Nightmare Moon is even regarded as a boogeyman of sorts in Equestria in the episode "Luna Eclipsed", and presumably before then as well.