- Unlikely. That "previous Exalt" would have been Chrom and Emmeryn's father. Wouldn't that mean that Chrom and the Avatar almost surely met each other way before the events of the game? Then again, that would explain why Chrom immediately trusts him/her... hmm...
- I did say "Previous Exalt before Emmeryn", so that narrows things down.
- Think about the huge number of BFSes in the game. A Bronze Sword is reasonably sized, Iron swords could be used by normal people, etc. Then you see people wielding stuff like Armorslayers, Wyrmslayers, really most of the axes, ESPECIALLY the throwing ones... How do you even lift most of these weapons, let alone use them to kill things? Especially one handed!
- Look at dragons. Sure, they might not be as big as dragons from some other series (barring Grima, of course), but none of them have anything near a reasonably sized wingspan. Most dragons wouldn't be able to get off the ground, let alone fly or fight in the air. Again, this goes double for Grima. He's the size of a ship, if not a small island, but his wings are about a third the size of a ship sail. That's not anywhere near enough to fly, unless Grima is a lot lighter than he looks (read: he's made of Styrofoam or something).
- Think about the armor Knights and Generals wear. They're dressed like tanks! Sure, they're slow, but how do they not instantly collapse after putting all that armor on?
- Considering that Echoes reveals that Grima is an artificially created dragon while implying he/it/they may be some kind of hybrid creature, you may be onto something here... just maybe not for those exact reasons. If Grima is a fusion of a dragon with some of the humans Forneus collected, it would make sense for Grima to have No Biological Sex.
- The game implies that Lucina's group were the first to ever try to change their own history in this way. They might have simply assumed that the "new future erases the old one" rule applied, only to find out about the branching timelines later when they actually made the jump. Even Naga and Grima may not have known until that point; for all their power, the gods in Ylisse are not omniscient.
- Well, they're the same person, one just succumbed to possession. There's nothing a composite character could do that just one couldn't. At the end of the game, the Avatar even uses Grima's magic on his villainous self. That could be a final smash, but it doesn't need to be a composite character for that to be so.
- Think of Exdeath in Dissidia. He behaves like Neo Exdeath (Exdeath before being engulfed by the Void never said he wanted to erase himself) but he is in his humanoid and armored form.
- Jossed. Robin in Super Smash Bros for Wii U/3DS appears to have his/her default look, with a Purely Aesthetic Gender to boot. They use the Bronze/Levin Sword (switches between them in an as-of currently unknown method), and they use 4 different spell types: Fire, Thunder, Wind and (somehow as a Tactician) Nosferatu, with ramping levels for each note
- Although, Robin was floating in the trailer that featured him/her and Lucina, not to mention how he/she uses a Nostferatu tome. One can speculate that both are nods to Robin's heritage and nature as Grima's avatar, considering how Robin's father Validar has shown the ability to float, along with how Grima and the Grimleal specialize in Dark Tomes.
- Not only that, but blue haired Cordelia looks almost exactly like Lucina.
- She even makes an ideal choice for Lucina's mother gameplay-wise: she passes down positive strength, skill, and speed modifiers, as well as three classes that don't overlap with Chrom's (and two of which don't overlap with any of her other potential mothers besides the Avatar). And Chrom!Severa would also fare pretty well, since Chrom's class set is almost identical to Stahl's, only trading Myrmidon for Lord. So in exchange for not having Vantage or Lethality, Severa gains the ability to use Sol, Luna, and Aether, all at once. Yowch!
- OR Cordelia was always meant to be 'the girl who can't get the guy she wants' and the blue-haired beta design was yet another callback to Catria but developers decided it was too obvious. Because Cordelia's crush is so goddamned subtle.
- Lucina's the princess of a war torn country with little skill in anything but fighting. She's essentially a Child Soldier, why wouldn't she have Iron Woobie issues?
- Then why can't Severa and Lucina support in the main timeline? And wouldn't this make Severa's issues WORSE?
- Actually, that might help explain Severa's issues. Of course she'd react so badly to Cordelia's crush on Chrom if Cordelia took in Chrom's child/children; she's jealous. That same jealousy might explain the lack of Luci/Severa supports; she'd be trying to avoid her.
- The problem is the more cynical person would probably feel more for Severa than Cordelia, and this would not help the argument that there's more to Cordelia's character than her crush on Chrom.
- Given how Lucina reacts of a Female Avatar who isn't her mother, I can't see her being okay with an arrangement like this. And I can't help but see Severa as coming out worse than she is in-game.
- Orininally, Yarne was a first-generation character. Perhaps a Proud Warrior Race Guy envisioned before the pairing system existed. When it did, the devs realized they'd have to give him the ability to have kids, him being the Last of His Kind and all. But they then realized this would go against the female-dependant children system they were using. Wanting to limit non-mother dependent children to Chrom and Male Avatar, they figured the best thing to do would be to swap the parent-child roles around, having him become a second-gen character and his child developed into the Panne we know. The inheritance oddity is a leftover of this.
- It is easily justified by the matter of Yarne being too afraid to ride a Wyvern, given his survival overfocus.
- Jossed. While it has been an extremely popular theory, in Fire Emblem Echoes: Shadows of Valentia, Grima is confirmed to be an experiment by an insane alchemist named Forneus in Thabes. They created the Risen Soldiers and Grima. Grima is a Dracozombie and likely infused with an unknown Divine Dragon's blood. Though, it is more heavily implied about the infusion with a Divine Dragon's blood than outright stating it.
- Original theory as-is is jossed, but it is possible that Forneus could've used some Earth Dragon blood when making Grima. So it may be technically right/possible depending on how you look at it?
- The Avatar may gotten his/her natural ability to formulate combat strategies from Katarina who was studying to become a Tactician at the time. The ability to use magic probably also came from her too.
- His/Her physical combat and swordsmanship came from My Unit (Kris) whose male default class was a sword wielding Mercenary.
- Jossed with authority; his/her father is actually Validar of all people!
- Yeah, but what about his ancestor, then?
- Gharnef?
- Two thousand years have passed between Shadow Dragon/New Mystery of the Emblem and Awakening. The fact we know who the father of the Avatar is doesn't exclude the possibility of MyUnit being his distant ancestor at all. In fact, assuming MU had offspring and his family line didn't get cut short on one or two generations, 2000 years is enough time for him to get a shitload of direct descendants. The Avatar descending from any Marth-era character wouldn't be surprising. Surprising is the fact that Marth himself appears to have only three living descendants by the time of Awakening.
- That and Kris and Marth's A Support in Heroes of Light and Shadow has them wondering if their descendants will be friends too. If their respective decendants are indeed the Avatar and Chrom, this becomes an amazing Fridge Sequel Hook.
- Actually, for a more likely theory, see below.
- Jossed with authority; his/her father is actually Validar of all people!
- DLC Katarina comes as a Grandmaster, becoming the only character with a tactician default class besides Avatar/Morgan. The resemblance she bears to Avatar and Morgan becomes rather uncanny.
- This is impossible, because whenever your avatar is female, so was Kris (and also the tactician from Blazing Sword as well). Thus this theory can only be possible in the "Robin is male" continuity. Unless you mean to imply that Katarina could have become pregnant with Kris's child regardless of Kris's gender.
- Nope. Descended from two people doesn't mean that those people were married. Say, Katarina's daughter could have married Kris's son. Or somewhere along the line, the two lines met.
- It's someone pretending to be Marth. Either to fulfill some sort of prophecy or personal gain. Or he's just a big fan of the hero from lore.
- It's some sort of guardian spirit masquerading as A Form You Are Comfortable With.
- It's the spirit of Krom's Falchion testing Krom's worth as a wielder.
- It's actually a girl. Not likely, but would be a fun twist.
- Looks a bit more likely with "Marth" being Yuu Kobayashi (who admittedly does male voices as well, though that is pretty handy if you are faking maleness) instead of Hikaru Midorikawa as he is in the OVA and Super Smash Bros..
- One needs to take into consideration his original VAs age (forty), and the fact he last VA-ed Marth in Melee. His Brawl voice is reused. He hasn't done Marth in 11 years.
- Confirmed!
- Take A Fifth Option. Marth defeated Medeus but failed in his duties as a ruler after that, leading to his Archaneia being embroiled in chaos and war. His Falchion is somehow destroyed in the process. Hoping to end the chaos by finding a hero who won't fail, he reforges the Falchion into a new form that also serves as his Soul Jar (hence: "the Binding Blade Falchion") that Krom ultimately receives. When he does, he reawakens the dormant spirit of Marth inside.
- Is an Identical Descendant, some previously unknown relative of Krom's, who is claiming to be the real deal for some reason. Can overlap with the girl suggestion and the one below.
- Is using Marth's Falchion while Krom's is actually Alm's (hence the "sealing" in Krom's). Can overlap with any of the above.
- Well, according to this page, it ain't him. Actual Marth confirmed for DLC.
- Combining two theories: DLC Marth is from an alternate universe where the world didn't go to shit after he was crowned.
- Well, according to this page, it ain't him. Actual Marth confirmed for DLC.
- As it turns out, she is Krom's daughter from the future. The reason she wears the mask is to hide the mark of Naga.
- Jossed. The scene of Chrom and Marth fighting in the trailers turned out to be a case of Superdickery (it’s an organised arena battle).
- Pretty much Confirmed, though the classic characters are summoned spirits rather than Alternate Continuity counterparts.
- It's more that there's a "Outworld Gate" that's 15 minutes away from the capital where once can access multiple dimensions and time travel. Via DLC you can fight a number of fights from each Fire Emblem game; and the game itself utilizes it as well as another shrine of time to explain plot events. And this is how Owain and Severa go to Fire Emblem Fates.
- It's funny how the Outworld Gate is an Unusually Uninteresting Sight in the game as Chrom just glosses over it when describing where everything is in Chapter 4.
- It's more that there's a "Outworld Gate" that's 15 minutes away from the capital where once can access multiple dimensions and time travel. Via DLC you can fight a number of fights from each Fire Emblem game; and the game itself utilizes it as well as another shrine of time to explain plot events. And this is how Owain and Severa go to Fire Emblem Fates.
"Two heroes marked with the symbols of dragons."
With Naga confirmed to be one of the dragons, this reminded me strongly of the Twelve Crusaders and their bloodlines, the descendents of which have identifying marks on their bodies. Naga bonded with one of the Crusaders, Heim, who proceeded to have quite a few descendants carrying the blood themselves. So from here, what I'm thinking is this: Somehow, in the thousands of years since Monshou and Seisen's events, a descendant of the Heim line came to whatever the Kakusei continent is now called and had children with someone, whose eventual descendant is one of the prophecised heroes. Given that he has a dragonlike mark on his shoulder, combined with the standard trends for FE heroes, that could well be Krom and his family, and I guess that's the assumption I'm working under here: the royal family of Iris carries the Heim bloodline, aka the Naga bloodline, and that is the cause behind the dragon mark.
Consider also that there are only thee options for Heim ancestors here: Yuria, Linoan and Celice, the latter of whom may be used as a way to tie yet another main character into this world (assuming you buy the Masked Marth thing); on the other hand, Celice only had minor Heim and thus, without him or his descendants marrying Yuria, Linoan or their descendants, may not be able to sustain the line.
- Take a Third Option. Krom could be descended from Yuria and Lester or Finn?
- OP here: Linoan isn't an option, or at least is a very unlikely one, as her ending says she never married; obviously a child out of wedlock isn't out of the question, but it doesn't seem all that likely.
- Celice marrying Yuria isn't an impossiblity — far from it. Given that would also tie them to Anri and Marth, however...
- Recall that Marth and Sheeda are distantly related, both descended from Anri — if Anri had minor Naga blood and passed this on to his descendants, than Marth and Sheeda could potentially both have minor Naga blood, thus allowing their children to have major Naga blood. As for how Anri would have minor Naga blood, that requires another whole crazy theory. Perhaps he's descended from Celice? (The Falchion and the Tyrfing do look rather similar...)
- ...Marth and Sheeda are not distantly related. As for Celice and Yuria, yeah, negative love growth. They aren't hooking up outside of exploits. Anyway, the mark of Naga on Krom and co has nothing to do with Heim, but rather the first King of Iris who also made a pact with Naga to gain the power to defeat Gimle.
- This is true — there is no reason to believe that the mark (called the Brand of the Exalt in the localization) has any relation to Heim. That being said, it's worth noting that the B support between Tiki and the Avatar does include a line where Tiki mentions that Chrom reminds her not of Marth but of one of Marth's ancestors who lived around the time or her birth. Given that she was born following the war between the Divine Dragons and the Earth Dragons, it seems unlikely that any human heroes of note would be present on the continent at the time. However, given that FE4 takes place around 300 years after some point in the Divine Dragon/Earth Dragon war (as Archbishop Galle had to have made a pact with Loptous before the Earth Dragons were sealed away, and then accounting for 200 years of Loptr Empire rule and 100 years of peace following its overthrow), and considering the fact that Sigurd is probably the most similar main character to Chrom in the series, it seems increasingly likely that Marth and by extension Chrom are related to Sigurd and Seliph.
- Not only that, but Leif's conversation at the end of the Lost Bloodlines 1 DLC has him use the term "Brand" to reffer to the Holy Blood system in his home universe. Since descendants of Heim in FE4 were said to have a mark on their bodies, it's not hard to assume this is indeed the Mark of the Exalt.
- ...Marth and Sheeda are not distantly related. As for Celice and Yuria, yeah, negative love growth. They aren't hooking up outside of exploits. Anyway, the mark of Naga on Krom and co has nothing to do with Heim, but rather the first King of Iris who also made a pact with Naga to gain the power to defeat Gimle.
- Jossed, and for good reason, considering the point is to trick players into believing it is in fact Marth.
- Confirmed! My Unit can use the Change Seal to change into any class barring special ones like Manakete or Taguel.
- My Unit can marry a Manakete or Taguel... and then Morgan can change into one of those two. (And Nah or Yarne will get all other classes too!)
- Jossed
- Being Plegian Royalty is Jossed, and the sorcerer is actually the head of the Grima Cult, with the king being Gangrel. Originally being from Plegia is confirmed, however, and MU IS Validar's son/daughter. MU's mark proves that he/she is a suitable vessel for Grima. Furthermore, Validar does become the king of Plegia after Gangrel's death. So... confirmed From a Certain Point of View?
- Confirmed!
- But what if you made a female Mark? Making it non-canon seems unfair.
- It turns out that Mark in this game is the opposite gender of his parent. If My Unit is male, Mark will be female, if My Unit is female, Mark will be male. This was probably done to match up with the FE7 guy.
- Of course, this just means that now we're going to have flame wars about the other parent. Since the only thing we know about Mark from his/her sprite in Blazing Sword is that (s)he has brown hair, and the children in this game have the same hair color as their father, this means either Male MU with brown hair is canon or... Fe MU x Frederick?
- To be fair, ever see an enemy unit tactician? Or a Player Unit Tactician? Or Purple-guys Tactician? Each changes the hair color. All "Other Units" (Green) have Brown Hair... even if they're canonically... Purple-haired or something like that, unless it's a Mage (Female) (Green Hair) or Lord (Eliwood) (Red Hair). So, there's actually nothing known about Mark of FE7, outside of him/her being really skilled. (Ala, the "Brilliant Mind" ending needs to happen for background of FE6)
- Actually, the first CG makes it pretty clear that s/he has light reddish-brown hair. It's not even the sepia filter, either, since the unfiltered prototype version CG has hir with light reddish-brown hair also.
- And of course, Mark might well have been simply have been dying his/her hair.
- JOSSED. Mark is not Mark... but... MU is. Or may be. Lyn seems to remember him/her/you from FE7, unless you don't remember that. She still thinks MU is the Tactician and would like to see for herself.
- You can actually take this as either Jossed or Confirmed, since you're given the choice in-game to confirm or deny Lyn's claims that Awakening's MU and Blazing Sword's MU are the same person. There's nothing storyline-wise hinting at it being true or false, so any logic you use to justify/refuse it is your own.
- However, Lyndis does refer to the FE7 tactician as whatever sex you made Robin. Whether or not Robin is the FE7 tactician is still unclear, but this seems to imply that Morgan isn't.
- Irrelevant in the localized version, which changed his/her name to Morgan instead.
- Emmeryn: MU will be happier than her about her survival/duplication at first, but later on will start arguing with her about whether her sacrifice was necessary or not.
- Nope. Seems Emmeryn lost her memories... and MU just wants to help her get them back... She never does.
- Gangrel: Gangrel will try to be his typical arrogant self, but will be a bit deflated. MU admits that they are on the same side now and that MU's aims for perfect victories preclude a Uriah Gambit... in theory.
- Actually, judging by their S support, Gangrel seems to actually try and become a better person, at least with Female MU.
- He appears to be quite self-deprecating around his son if him and Female MU marry, saying among other things, "Your Father was a turd with a crown", suggesting his defeat has humbled him big-time.
- Aversa: These will revolve around MU's nature as an avatar of Grima. Aversa will compare and contrast their personalities, while MU keeps a close eye on her to prevent her from subverting Chrom. Finally, MU will call her out on the idiocy of her following a being which self-identifies as Evil and with a stated goal of Kill All Humans.
- Jossed fairly hard. Aversa turns out to have been Brainwashed and Crazy.
- Walhart: MU will claim that their battles were rather pointless in the grand scheme of things, and distracted them both from the true threat of Grima. Walhart will try to justify his actions as pragmatism, but MU will counter that provoking more moral people like Krom was what (almost?) got him killed.
- This is actually a valid theory, since Katarina's death quote in the Lost Bloodlines 1 DLC makes a reference to Kris... but with the gender pronoun changed to reflect the Avatar's. (I.e. Kris is male for a male Avatar and female for a female Avatar)
- The problem with this theory is that Kris and Avatar have vastly different personalities and established backstories. Also Tiki would've recognized Avatar since she was definitely around during both periods. Unless a silly Doctor Who style explanation is used, Kris and Avatar aren't likely to be the same person. Mark being Avatar is still a possibility though due to how vague Mark's details were.
- I support this theory. It would also explain the presence of the Deadlords. Presumably, the remains of the Sect took the knowledge of how to make them with them and it eventually ended up in Validar's or Aversa's hands. Also, the Deadlords wield some of Jugdral's Crusader Weapons. According to Word of God, after the war against the Loptr Church, the holy weapons lost most of their power and presumably also their blood-bond to specific lineages. After FE4, the remaining followers of Loptous might have stolen a few of the weapons, or, if we want to be darker (as if Jugdral isn't already dark), assassinated their wielders and took them. It would explain why they landed in Ylisse and are wielded by Deadlords. The only problem is that several thousand years lie between Jugdral and Awakening. It's questionable where the Loptr Church/Grimleal were in that time, particularly what they did during the events of the Akaneia games.
- Apparently, the Jugdral games are set before Akaneia, so maybe they were in hiding there, or maybe they met Medeus before Grima... or maybe history isn't all it seems to be and there is some confusion as a result of lost records.
- This can still be plausible with the revelation of certain historical aspects in Echoes...
- I support this theory. It would also explain the presence of the Deadlords. Presumably, the remains of the Sect took the knowledge of how to make them with them and it eventually ended up in Validar's or Aversa's hands. Also, the Deadlords wield some of Jugdral's Crusader Weapons. According to Word of God, after the war against the Loptr Church, the holy weapons lost most of their power and presumably also their blood-bond to specific lineages. After FE4, the remaining followers of Loptous might have stolen a few of the weapons, or, if we want to be darker (as if Jugdral isn't already dark), assassinated their wielders and took them. It would explain why they landed in Ylisse and are wielded by Deadlords. The only problem is that several thousand years lie between Jugdral and Awakening. It's questionable where the Loptr Church/Grimleal were in that time, particularly what they did during the events of the Akaneia games.
We're still not completely familiar with how holy blood works; who's to say that just because Julia doesn't have it, her descendants won't? The Loptr Church, thinking the same thing, kept tabs on Julia after fleeing Jugdral and spent the next few centuries watching from afar, waiting for minor Loptous blood to surface in a male and female. Once it had, they kidnapped those two and forced them to inbreed until they finally got someone with major Loptous blood — the Avatar, who is described as "a heroic Julius" in the Expy trope on their character page.
- Alternately, Julius and Ishtar somehow managed to have male and female kids without anyone noticing, who were kidnapped by the Loptr Church and went through the process above. The reason it takes them more than a millenia was because Manfroy got really lucky and it actually takes Loptous blood a long time to become major.
- Playing off of this theory... who says it was any descendant of Diadora or Alvis? Surely they weren't the only ones with Loptous blood out there. Was Diedre the only one living in the forest?
- As far as I know. It's mentioned that her family was allowed to have only one child per generation, for fear of this exact thing happening, except Cygun broke the rule by having Arvis and Deirdre.
- Or Saias, Arvis's bastard son, had Loptous Minor blood.
- Playing off of this theory... who says it was any descendant of Diadora or Alvis? Surely they weren't the only ones with Loptous blood out there. Was Diedre the only one living in the forest?
- Am I the only one who read that WMG and was suddenly tempted to roll up a blue-haired Imperial girl who specializes in One-Handed and Destruction, with Dawnbreaker as a primary weapon?
- Nope. Currently playing through on that Morgan build now. Lightning Bolt looks like Thoron to boot. However, Morgan's "default" hair color seems to be dark brown.
- Ironically, the child character from the next game could count as a Dovahkiin in a more literal sense, seeing as how your avatar is part-dragon.
- Nope. Currently playing through on that Morgan build now. Lightning Bolt looks like Thoron to boot. However, Morgan's "default" hair color seems to be dark brown.
- Perhaps it's just in a location that no one has bothered to look, like the underside of her tongue. Or maybe it's under her hairline.
- It might not be limited to just the outside of the body. Perhaps it's on her heart or stomach or some other symbolic organ.
- She is The Heart, so it would make sense to be there if she had one.
- What do the skin, the outer ear canal, the oral cavity (inside the mouth), the nasal cavities, the interior of the lungs, the inner lining of the esophagus, the inner lining of the stomach, the inner lining of the small intestine, the inner lining of the large intestine (including the appendix and anus), the vagina, and the urethra have in common? They’re all technically on the outside of the body, as they have some degree of contact with the outside world. Of these, only the skin is readily visible, yet most of them are produced from the same embryonic tissues. A birthmark is typically the result of something weird going on with this proto-epithelial tissues, but if a birthmark formed in the anus, oral cavity, or vagina, it would be very difficult to see (and it would be outrageously rude to actively inspect for it); if it showed up in any of the other places I mentioned, it would be flat-out impossible to see without some sort of inner-body-scanning technology such as MRI (which in all likelihood does not exist in the Fire Emblem universe) or vivisection (which only happens in the context of surgery, autopsy, or murder).
This is probably to avoid having the Avatar as Chrom's canon spouse (since female Avatars seem to overwhelmingly choose him), since the end of the storyline reveals that should the Avatar strike the final blow against Grima, he/she apparently dies, or at least vanishes for a long period of time. Also, since Chrom and his lineage may be referenced in later games, it would be useful to have the option to say who his wife was, rather than go New Mystery's route and say, "Chrom was married, but who she was/what she looked like is now lost to history."
- Seems about right: even the opening cinema for the game features Chrom with a woman that looks like Sumia holding their child in front of cheering crowds.
- Forgot to mention it in my explanation, but it is indeed Sumia seen with Chrom in the opening. Further support for their relationship.
- Basically confirmed by game mechanics. If Chrom has equal support level with all his eligible love interests, the game prioritizes Sumia as his spouse, and pairs him with her even lacking S Support.
- Seems about right: even the opening cinema for the game features Chrom with a woman that looks like Sumia holding their child in front of cheering crowds.
- One might see it that those Risen were actually his men at one time and despite their state, will not turn on their ruler. The fact that he was able to command them suggests a sort of Undying Loyalty.
- Alternatively, Priam will get one. Come on, his appearence and backstory just scream Early-Bird Cameo!
- Alternately, they both will be in a sequel. Lucina is already incredibly popular anyway, in addition to going off on her own in her solo ending, and Priam could really use some development. Them having Deuteragonist roles would be awesome as well.
- Jossed for Priam, who is not in Fire Emblem Fates at all. Zig-zagged for Lucina in Fates though - she can be recruited if you have her amiibo, but she's more like one of the characters from Old Hubba's cards; no support conversations, unfortunately. Curiously enough Owain, Severa, and Inigo do appear in Fates as characters themselves.
- Jossed for Fates and Echoes, sure. But any of the above could still happen in a potential FE16 or FE17.
- Alternatively, Priam will get one. Come on, his appearence and backstory just scream Early-Bird Cameo!
- This certainly sounds like something the localisation would do.
- Alternatively, we'll have Continuity Nods in his critical quotes, like "You won't get any sympathy from me!"
Since the children are already crushing on each other, she figured she would just help them along while giving humanity a boon. This may not be as necessary if Morgan is the son of Chrom, Brady, Inigo (if they are Chrom's sons), or Owain and thus get exalted blood as well, but it may act as extra insurance.
- Unlikely, if that was the plan, shipping Morgan with Tiki would make far more sense - Tiki is Naga's granddaughter, and such an absurdly powerful Divine Dragon Bloodline would likely render Morgan's bloodline absolutely worthless for any future attempt to create a new avatar.
- I mean, taguel are obviously based off of rabbits, which don't exactly have children one at a time.
- Plus, real-life rabbits do have offspring in litters, so... it would also make sense if Panne had twins or triplets when Yarne was born.
- Might also be why he asks his father for a lot of brothers and sisters.
- ...I'm still having extreme difficulty seeing that, even considering that Morgan joined the dark side in that alternate future. Everything evil that Morgan does is at Grima's command, and that doesn't sound like something he'd be ordered to do or inclined to do otherwise.
- This assumes that Nice Guy Morgan would, in joining Grima, decide he wanted to defile his female FRIENDS bodies after they are horrifically killed. The very idea is just WRONG on SO many levels.
- Well, in Chapter 9, Gangrel does bring up the idea of putting Emmeryn's body up on display. He may not have meant that seriously, but if he did, that would definitely be a plausible way to tie it in to Paralogue 20.
- Who knows with Gangrel? He probably did. Emmeryn's death caused Plegians to defect en masse, and doing something like that could be seen as a Moral Event Horizon to them.
- Miriel would still have to have gotten pregnant fairly soon after the end of the game, though, in order for Laurent to end up older than Lucina.
- Who says that the parents have to have their kids right after the end of the game? Besides, in the Bad Future, Laurent can plausibly be born from one to two years after Lucina and still be older.
- This is explained actually — Laurent wound up going further back in time than the others by mistake, three years before "Marth" showed up. So in theory Laurent could have been as old as the others or maybe older than the others by a year (Still younger than Lucina though), he just is physically older because he wound up going back five years later.
- According to birth date, Lucina is the oldest of the children. We see her as a baby in game. None of the other children are born until after the game ends. Laurent, however, is physically the oldest because the time portal spat him out 3 years before everyone else. While most of the kids aged around 2 or so years, he aged 5.
- Just Owain? Wouldn't all the kids be her companions?
- Have her S Rank with Owain, and they become companions instead of spouses.
I propose that Ike gets Aether, despite not being a Lord in this game, simply because he invented it and they had to pay homage to the skill's original creator. So why doesn't Priam get it if he's Ike's descendant? Other than the obvious reason that having a third (potentially a fifth) Aether-user would be the most broken thing ever? Because you can't move skills in Radiant Dawn. The inheritance system in Awakening means the last skill in your list is the one you pass down to your children. As a Vanguard, Ike's Aether was in the top slot and forcibly locked there. So, it could never have been handed down. Furthermore, he wouldn't have been able to move it even if he'd wanted to - the skill is locked to the top slot. In the Prologue, the Avatar states that he can "see" enemy information; like equipment, parameters, etc. This, and Flavia's Dual Guard of Basilio, imply that Fire Emblem runs on Gameplay and Story Integration rules. So, is it so far-fetched to assume that Ike couldn't pass on his trademark skill because the mechanics quite literally prevented him from doing so?
- Actually, Aether is inherited in Awakening regardless of slot, so this WMG may possibly be Jossed.
- The difference between Ike's bloodline and Chrom's bloodline though is that the latter is of royal blood, and such skills seem to be passed down almost like a divine right (and perhaps having blue hair/being able to wield the Falchion as well). Also, Aether is a skill that is automatically passed down to the females, while the males automatically get Rightful King (ignoring the fact that Lucina can also get that skill at lvl 15 Great Lord). So even if Aether was a skill that was in the family, Priam would not recieve it, and he wouldn't get Rightful King since he has no claim to any throne (I think).
- Actually, the (first) above creates something of a hole in the Ike-Descendant and Mist-Descendant sides of the argument. Let's assume that Aether has to be passed down. This makes sense for Ike and Greil, the latter of whom could use it as shown in FE9 hackings of unused data. As such, it can be assumed that he passed down the ability to use it to his son. So, by that logic, Priam can't be Ike's kid if he doesn't have Aether... but then Mist can't use it at all. Why? Wait a minute. Maybe she wasn't Greil's kid to begin with...
- Perhaps Greil's line passes it down through the male children. Or even the older child.
- There's another problem with the Fanon of Mist being Priam's ancestor via "the Marth/Anri route": namely that Marth not being a direct descendant of Anri is actually a Retcon. In the original script for the first Fire Emblem game, and Book 1 of Mystery of the Emblem, Anri's name is only mentioned a few times and there's nothing to suggest that he isn't Marth's ancestor. The fact of Anri's brother being Marth's true ancestor isn't actually mentioned until late into the second book: which implies that it wasn't thought of until later in the series' lifespan. Marth's trophy description in Super Smash Bros. Melee actually hints at this by not actually stating that Marth is Anri's descendant — only that they share blood (which is technically true as they're family). So, when Priam says that he's a descendant of the Radiant Hero, it's very possible that that's true.
- Actually, the (first) above creates something of a hole in the Ike-Descendant and Mist-Descendant sides of the argument. Let's assume that Aether has to be passed down. This makes sense for Ike and Greil, the latter of whom could use it as shown in FE9 hackings of unused data. As such, it can be assumed that he passed down the ability to use it to his son. So, by that logic, Priam can't be Ike's kid if he doesn't have Aether... but then Mist can't use it at all. Why? Wait a minute. Maybe she wasn't Greil's kid to begin with...
- Jossed by the official art, which clearly depict feet.
So, yeah, this bugged me for God knows how long... and then I realised that Loptous basically says the exact same thing when you off him (with Celice, anyways). Suspiciously Similar Substitute? I thought so, too; but then Loptous actually is evil. He wants to create a hellish dystopia where he controls everything and tortures humanity for all eternity just because he finds it amus— Wait a minute! That's a word-for-word description of Grima!
So, here's my theory. Fire Emblem 4 is a prequel to the Archaneia games. After being defeated in Jugdral, Loptous is out of human bodies, so his spirit travels back to the land of his birth — Archaneia — and possesses Medeus. This explains why Medeus suddenly goes from being motivated by revenge to just sort of being an omnicidal tyrant. It also explains why Medeus is able to change from an Earth Dragon to a Dark one. Y'see, Loptous' design looks nothing like the Earth Dragons (who always looked more like dinosaurs to me) and is much more comparable to Medeus' Dark Dragon form. From hereon, this WMG follows the theory that Grima is a fusion of all the Earth Dragons. The dominant mind, however, is Loptous. It just explains too damn much about the Grimleal being Expies of his old cult.
- This is interesting. And Jugdral being a prequel to Akaneia is canon. Perhaps we could tie this into the theory above that the Grimleal are what eventually became from the remnants of the defeated Loptr Church? Let's say they either managed to preserve Loptous' spirit somehow, or just followed him to Akaneia, and then aided in the corruption of Medeus? If Lopyr is the head of this new super-dragon now named Grima, that would also explain why they changed their name to Grimleal, and why Grima seems much more powerful than previous dark dragons. I am not, however, familiar enough with Marth's games to be sure if there could be a place for the then-Grimleal during the Akaneia era.
- Possibly! Gharnef does have a cult of dark magicians who serve him in Mystery and their ultimate goal is to resurrect Medeus as a Dark Dragon. Sounds kinda familiar to Manfroy, doesn't it?
- Also, according to the game, Grima once tried to destroy the world over 1000 years ago, but was stopped by Naga and the first exalt of Ylisse. As said, the events of Genealogy take place before Marth's games...which is more than 1000 years ago. And what spell do you use to kill Julius (unless you're feeling masochistic)? A spell calling forth Naga. This could also tie into the "Chrom is descended from Sigurd" theory if Granvalle eventually became Ylisse, who would likely regard Seliph as their first leader. Of course, there is the problem that the Jugdral map and the Awakening maps don't look the same...
- This is interesting. And Jugdral being a prequel to Akaneia is canon. Perhaps we could tie this into the theory above that the Grimleal are what eventually became from the remnants of the defeated Loptr Church? Let's say they either managed to preserve Loptous' spirit somehow, or just followed him to Akaneia, and then aided in the corruption of Medeus? If Lopyr is the head of this new super-dragon now named Grima, that would also explain why they changed their name to Grimleal, and why Grima seems much more powerful than previous dark dragons. I am not, however, familiar enough with Marth's games to be sure if there could be a place for the then-Grimleal during the Akaneia era.
- Very probably. Perhaps Elibe is an Alternate Universe version of Archaneia?
- Hilariously, the DLC gate in Fire Emblem Fates is called the "Dragon's Gate". It might just be a coincidence, but who's to say that Elibean and and Ylissean dragons don't have similar powers to that?
- Well, it's less that Grima literally shares Robin's body, and more that he can possess them. That aside, though, it's far more likely that Grima shares a face with Forneus, his creator, due to things that Echoes revealed about his creation.
- Remember the theory above about Grima being a fusion of all the sealed-away Earth Dragons? One of the hallmark mechanics of the Shin Megami Tensei series is the ability to fuse two or more demons to create a single, more powerful demon. What if someone from another dimension found a way to reach the space in which the Earth Dragons were sealed away and fused all of them to create the Lovecraftian abomination that is Grima? Or fused a single powerful Earth Dragon with an extremely powerful demon from their own dimension?
- Not only that, but the dichotomy between the Avatar and Grima is a perfect fit for the Death Arcana, which has played a major role in SMT before. Death is even called the "Nameless Arcana" in some decks, fitting the Avatar's status as a customizable character.
- Jossed. It's actually explained in Echoes.
- The Future of Despair features both Boy!Morgan and Girl!Morgan regardless of the Avatar's sex.
- Maybe the other one is wandering around, lost? Though this then raises the question if they're both named Morgan or not.
- Since the first reveal of Robin in Smash Bros. featured Male Robin, I'm inclined to believe that Male Robin is the "canon" one. Which would lead to Female Morgan and Male Mark. Theme Twin Naming anyone? But that does bring up the other twin wandering around lost and that's frankly terrifying, especially if the other twin shows up after Grima's death.
- Except that Smash Bros is not canon to any other Nintendo franchise except its own, so the Avatar's canon gender being male because of Smash Bros is not good evidence of canonicity and it's rather unlikely Nintendo themselves are gonna say either way.
- If I'm recalling correctly, Robin's first character image reveal for Awakening showed a male. So one could assume Male Robin is theoretically the "canon" one.
- Admittedly, this WMG only came about due to some very strange wording on Grima's part. When the other children reunite with Lucina at the end of Future Past, Grima remarks that Morgan has failed to stop them twice, as if it was the same person who attacked both groups. If both Morgans were siblings, Grima would probably have said "so your sister/brother failed as well" or something more reasonable. If one of them (i.e. the one who is the same sex as the Avatar) was actually just a random Grimleal instead of the Avatar's child, then there'd be no reason to call him/her "Morgan," and it wouldn't have been possible for the real Morgan to have been present for both battles. Alternate!Avatar also refers to Morgan in singular, as well. Something is very odd about the two Morgans existing simultaneously. We know shape shifters exist in Archaneia/Ylisse because of Xane from Shadow Dragon, and female Morgan somewhat reminds me of Xion, who is also a shape shifter with a male form.
- The dialogue actually changes depending on the Avatar's gender. Male Grima refers to Morgans as two separate people, saying that "so the Morgan I sent after your group failed as well" while Female Grima comments that Morgan has failed her twice, which makes it more ambiguous. If we go with what Male Grima says, it seems that there are two individuals who are both named Morgan.
- Doesn't explain why male Morgan has a totally different voice from female Morgan.
- They're just changing their voice to pass better.
- Jossed. He is still able to sire children.
- Throughout the Fire Emblem series, dark magic has always been the source of corruption and moral decay. Gharnef created Imhullu and its power warped his soul; the Loptr Church — according to Lewyn — were normal to start with but something changed them over time; Nergal lost his mind to the darkness and forgot about his family beyond the Dragon's Gate; Lyon tried to control the Demon King with his dark magic and ended up getting possessed by him... Face it. No matter how the likes of Canas try to portray it, dark magic is extremely dangerous and corrupting. This is why Tharja and Henry are Punch Clock Heroes. Both of them have Hidden Depths that reveal that they're not as evil as they seem, but there's no denying that they're creepy as hell on the surface. Why? Well, who's to say that their minds haven't already been warped by their own powers?
In fact, let's go on even further. Dark Mage is a reclass option for quite a few characters. Who is to say that they haven't started to feel the effects of this corruption as well?
- The Avatar: Was bred as a potential vessel for an Eldritch Abomination. Enough said.
- Miriel: Wants to know more or less everything about the world. Even things that she probably shouldn't. Also, while she's highly intelligent, she's also something of a Defrosting Ice Queen who isn't particularly great at social interaction. Maybe some of her empathy has already started to be drained away...
- Cordelia: Holds an unrequited love for Chrom. Who's to say that love can't be warped into something darker? Not to mention, the loss of her unit pushed her towards the Despair Event Horizon.
- Libra: He has a Dark and Troubled Past, which causes him to harbor a darkness inside him that even Tharja is scared to touch upon.
- Gangrel: Sought to create a great empire to match Valm strength-for-strength but ended up forgetting his goal and started pursuing power for its own sake. That's pretty much what happened to Nergal, sans the family aspect.
- What about Pelleas, though? He's just a spirit charmer — he's not actually evil.
- Well, considering that the spirits slowly consume the soul, they very well might be.
- Aversa: Seems to be the only exception to the rule, as she had a natural affinity for dark magic from childhood. So, basically, if you level your heroes up as Dark Mages, you're pushing them closer and closer towards the same kind of madness that past villains have embraced. You're putting them on the road to evil.
- Well Aversa's backstory is only in the overseas version, the Japanese version never explained why Fauder chose to brainwash this random girl.
First, let's talk about the Exalt. The game never actually says that Marth was the First Exalt. He's referred to as a heroic king of ages past, yes, but that's not the same thing. If it was, surely Chrom would have said something along the lines of, "Hey, that's the name of the First Exalt" when "Marth!" introduced himself. The timelines also don't add up. The First Exalt appeared 1000 years ago, while Marth's adventures were 3000 years before Awakening. So, we know that the First Exalt is a completely different character. But, according to Lucina, Falchion can only be wielded by someone of the Exalted Bloodline. Marth could use it, which implies that the weapon is like the Jugdrali Crusader Weapons and will only recognize users with the blood of Anri's family.
But who were they? Well, since they have the Brand, they must have Naga blood. That means it has to be someone descended from Seliph or Julia. Fire Emblem IV is a prequel to the Marth games and we know from the former that the Crusader Heim is the one who made the blood-pact with Naga while she had a physical form. By the time of Marth, Naga has died and most likely become the spiritual entity seen in Awakening. Ergo, the only living people possessing the blood of Naga are Seliph and Julia. Since Jugdrali Sagas are known to the people of Archaneia by the time of Awakening, we know that there has to have been some communication between the lands. Therefore, let's assume that this Naga-descended character from Jugdral came to Archaneia and started a family there. Perhaps they were even guided by Naga, who knew that her archenemy Loptous would revive in time. The Naga descendant is able to mingle their bloodline with that of Marth's descendants and, from this union, a Falchion-wielder with Naga blood is born.
But what about Ike? Well, following on directly from the previous WMG about Priam's lineage and the section about Marth being Anri's brother's descendant actually being a retcon. Let's assume for the purposes of this WMG that that's correct and that Priam really is Ike's descendant. This still does not eliminate the Ho Yay Ship Tease he has with Soren. So, what's the answer? He's bisexual. Ike and Soren arrived in Archaneia and started a One True Threesome with a woman from there. Or maybe he was just experimenting. Either way, Ike sired a daughter to whom he could pass down Aether via Awakening rules. ... See where I'm going with this? Yes. This line of Ike eventually mixed with that of the Naga-blooded Falchion wielder. The product of this union? The First Exalt; who grows up just as Grima appears. They're able to take down Grima with a mixture of Marth's Falchion, Seliph or Julia's Naga bloodline, and Ike's Aether. Their mentor throughout this journey? Why, Ike's Really 700 Years Old other lover, of course! After that fight with Grima, the guy also helps bring Tellius magic over to Archaneia. I mean, how else do you think the people of that continent are going to learn so many Tellius spells? (Here's lookin' at you, Arc-level spells and Rexcalibur)
So, yes. Chrom's line combines Marth, Seliph/Julia, and Ike into the most badass of bloodlines ever seen in Fire Emblem history. So, where does that leave Priam? He's descended from Ike, sure, but isn't part of the line that mixed with Marth & Naga's. Since Ike's other line didn't need Ragnell, on account of now being kings with Falchion and all that jazz, Soren made sure to use his remaining time to put this line of Ike on the path of the man himself and made sure that they inherited Ragnell.
- Naga repeatedly states that The Future Past timeline is very similar to the "main" one in the openings when she sends the party over. Could be lampshading that the parents will meet alternates of their children... or possibly confirmation of this theory?
- It is if the Avatar in the original timeline was a Manchurian Agent.
- The OP did say "willingly." It wouldn't take too much tweaking to assume that this is (mostly) accurate in-universe.
- More evidence: In the Hot Spring Scramble DLC, both male and female Morgan have two copies of the exact same book, annotated by the Avatar, which they show to Inigo and Cynthia (respectively). In the Future Past, Morgan receives a second copy of said book from the Avatar if you try to talk them out of fighting.
- Sumia: Fairly obvious. Marth/Caeda, Roy/Shanna, Eliwood/Fiora, Hector/Florina, Hector/Farina, and Ephraim/Tana...
- Sully: Slighly harder to pinpoint, but Lyn/Kent and Eirika/Forde or Seth.
- Maribelle: Ephraim/L'Arachel and Leif/Nanna. Technically also Roy/Cecilia.
- Olivia: Roy/Lalum and Eliwood/Ninian.
- Considering how the Avatar is the one who has the blood of Grima and becomes the Fell Dragon in at least one timeline, the Avatar could represent Deirdre. What with how Deirdre had the blood of Loptous and later becomes the mother of someone who was Loptous in human form.
- Sully makes even more sense when you think about it. She's really tomboyish, and so naturally she's a gender inversion of the popular class for female lord love interests. Cavalier/Paladin is pretty much the pegasus knight of men when it comes to female lords falling in love with them. Eirika with Seth / Ephraim, Elincia with Geoffrey, Lyn with Kent/Eliwood. Hell, her tomboyishness may be a bit of an inside joke reference to this.
- Of course, over the course of the series' long history, nearly every class has been represented by a potential spouse. Conspicuously, there's no one there to represent the Alm/Cellica dynamic, no myrmidon to correspond to both Eliwood and Hector being able to marry Lyn, and certainly no mage to correspond to Lilina, who gains support points with Roy far quicker than any of his other potential spouses.
- Jossed. Kellam is nowhere to be found in Fire Emblem Fatesnote . Curiously enough, you WERE right about Owain being in there - he just has a different name, Odin.
- Bonus points: Lon'qu mentions that he's less nervous around Nowi than he is around most of the other women. A possible reason? She specifically reminds him of the happier memories from when he and Ke'ri were children.
- ... That her sisters aren't actually her sisters. The original Anna kidnapped female merchants and brainwashed them to look, act and sound exactly like her, to form a money-worshipping cult. If they really were all sisters, than an Anna-born Morgan wouldn't look so much like Robin or even be named Morgan.
- Simply because Tyrfing was also made from Naga's fangs, and it would seem fitting for all three protagonists to wield swords made from her fangs.
- This would be even more fitting if the previous WMG of Grima being Loptous is true, since it could imply that Robin is distantly related to Seliph, and in that case, that would technically make him/her Tyrfing's rightful wielder.
- Where is it stated that Tyrfing was indeed made from one of Naga's fangs? Nevermind the fact that it's not even associated with those whom Naga shared her blood with.
- Well, if the Smash Bros announcement is any indication for a "canon" weapon, M!Robin is wielding Thoron and the Levin Sword. However in the gameplay footage, it's shown to be able to switch between a Bronze Sword to a Levin Sword.
- Lucina - Baldur: The ancestor/descendant of the main Lord of the game.
- Owain - Hezul: His personal weapon is a misspelled version of the Mystletainn.
- Severa - Noba: Her mother's situation with the Ylissean Pegasus Knights mirrors Cuan's fate in the Yied Massacre.
- Cynthia - Sety: Silesse was known for its Pegasus Knights.
- Kjelle - Neir: Her attachment to her armor may be a reference to the fact that major Neir blood provided a boost to Defense.
- Noire - Tordo: "BLOOD AND THUNDER!" ...with less emphasis on "Blood". Plus, her mother Tharja is introduced with an Elthunder tome.
- Nah - Heim: He wielded the Book of Naga, the Divine Dragon. All of the playable manaketes in this game are classified as "Divine Dragons".
- Inigo - Odo: Odo's descendant, Prince Shanan, seemed to be quite popular with the ladies...
- Yarne - Ulir: As a taguel, he presumably has enhanced senses, including eyesight. Which would be pretty useful for wielding a bow.
- Brady - Blaggi: They're both Priests.
- Gerome - Dain: They're both Wyvern Riders.
- Laurent - Fala: They're both Mages.
- Morgan - Loptous: The offspring of Grima/Avatar, the Big Bad of the game.
- Plus, it's implied that Lissa survived!
- This is most likely not the case, given that the dying words of the Risen Chief of that horde express their aim was to kill "the future child", ie, Morgan.
- Perhaps Morgan refused to join with Grima (in whatever timeline he/she comes from), which is why the Risen are trying to kill him/her?
- Well, considering Morgannote has inexplicably lost almost all of his memories save for those of his mother, i.e. Grima, it's possible that Grima tried to possess Morgan — whether willingly or not on Morgan's end — but it failed for two reasons: first, because Morgan's heart, like the Avatar's, could not handle it, and second, because Morgan's blood is no longer purely of Grima's line. Therefore, Morgan is useless to Grima, and potentially a threat if Morgan ever finds his mother and joins with her. So it would be prudent to kill him.
Even if Morgan had been on Grima's side before, now that he's been wiped of all his memories of his mother post-Grima and has only the ones where she was kind and loving and non-genocidal, Grima has no guarantee that Morgan would be on his side again. And even if Morgan sided with Grima at first in the present, after meeting his "real" mother and seeing her being all kind and loving and non-genocidal, Morgan could just as easily turn on him in favour of the Avatar. Hell, even the Bad Future Morgan — of both genders! — flat-out refuses to fight the Avatar despite knowing that she's not the one from the Bad Future world. Who's to say that the Avatar wouldn't convince Morgan — who, again, only has memories of the Avatar as she is now — to switch sides? Grima knows exactly how powerful Morgan has the potential to be, and it's not as if Grima actually cares about Morgan. Again, it's better to just kill him off.
- Well, considering Morgannote has inexplicably lost almost all of his memories save for those of his mother, i.e. Grima, it's possible that Grima tried to possess Morgan — whether willingly or not on Morgan's end — but it failed for two reasons: first, because Morgan's heart, like the Avatar's, could not handle it, and second, because Morgan's blood is no longer purely of Grima's line. Therefore, Morgan is useless to Grima, and potentially a threat if Morgan ever finds his mother and joins with her. So it would be prudent to kill him.
- Perhaps Morgan refused to join with Grima (in whatever timeline he/she comes from), which is why the Risen are trying to kill him/her?
- Two other games majorly support this theory: Super Smash Bros. for Nintendo 3DS and Wii U depicts Lucina as a Distaff Counterpart clone of Marth, and Fire Emblem Fates outright confirms the concept of reincarnation as canon in the Fire Emblem universe.
This still makes sense despite the fact that there are 10 levels in which we have Chrom and not Lucina, as in Eliwood's game the first 10 chapters are spent with Lyn.
- 1) Since Chrom is kind of forced in-game and gameplay-wise to marry someone before the timeskip, Cherche is out.
- 2) Of course, Lissa is his sister, so she's out.
- 3) Nowi and Panne are out because Lucina has already appeared and is clearly full human, which bars Panne, and about Chrom's age, which would mess with Manakete's aging.
- Morgan looks human regardless of who his/her parents are. And Sophia, Ninian, Nils, and possibly Roy are all part dragon with none of them ever being noted as looking draconic when in a humanoid form.
- Being part Manakete may not show very many exterior traits, but they age very slowly. You never find out exactly when Morgan was born and how old s/he was when s/he came to the present, while Lucina is known to be the eldest child and looks older than, say, Owain.
- It would complicate things immensely for Chrom to marry a non-human. Fantastic Racism is in play with Panne, and an already unstable country doesn't need the kind of controversy that would come with a half-taguel princess. For a manakete, would it really be a good thing for a country to have the same ruler for potentially over three thousand years? Even if Lucina stepped down, she'd still be virtually ageless, and any children she had would likely be similarly long-lived, as interbreeding appears to favour the non-human parentage. So her grandchildren could also be long-lived. And their children. And so on and so forth. Sooner or later, someone's going to want to hold onto power. There are just too many unknown variables with marrying a manakete. Chrom!Morgan can marry Nah, yes, and Lucina can marry Yarne, but those are their future selves. They're not truly in line for the throne and don't believe they can ever go back to their own time, so they're free to love and marry whomever they wish without being bogged down by politics.
- Morgan looks human regardless of who his/her parents are. And Sophia, Ninian, Nils, and possibly Roy are all part dragon with none of them ever being noted as looking draconic when in a humanoid form.
- 4} Tharja is Plegian and a bit too... obsessed with Avatar for Ylissian nobles to go down well with. Female!Avatar is also Plegian, but no one knows that at the moment.
- 5) Flimsy reason for Cordelia. She seems to be out of camp a lot, and sometimes crushes avoid the object of their affection.
- If we also look at a stat-based reason for this, a Cordelia-mother Lucina would be hilariously broken. And going from Cordelia's supports, she seems to get cold feet whenever Chrom's around.
- 6) No good reason for Miriel.
- Miriel probably wouldn't make a very good queen, nor would she be likely to enjoy it. It's not just a title; a huge amount of responsibility and work comes along with it. She's far too obsessed with her studies to be willing to give up that much of her time to "frivolous" pursuits. And even if she did, she'd just approach everything like a scientific curiosity, which is a less than healthy attitude for a queen who is responsible for the well-being of an entire country and everyone in it.
- More likely, it's because Laurent ends up older than Lucina via time travel shenanigans, and they didn't want to have to address it in supports.
- That's a damn good theory, actually. Perhaps he was killed in Chapter 5 and then resurrected?
- I dunno, he was already plenty pale by then. He does mention being part of a Super Breeding Program along with everyone else on the father's side, and we later see that the Avatar's memory is wiped after Grima overloads him during his repossession attempt. What if Validar had the same reaction, but more extreme? It's possible that after siring the Avatar, Validar underwent the ritual and was killed in the attempt, at which point he was resurrected as a Risen.
- Alternate theory: the Validar that dies in the cutscene is a risen doppelganger of sorts. You'll notice Validar is still very much alive after that cutscene. And when you kill him for real, he doesn't vanish like that.
- Plus, notice how his stats are wildly different between the first and second halves of the battle. This being because of two actually different versions of Validar would make a lot of sense.
- I don't know, I think the reason he's given so easily is he's more a last ditch attempt to give the player someone Sumia can marry if they accidentally married off the rest of her very small pool of eligible bachelors.
- Future Grima referring to themself as the Future Avatar may seem odd, but the way they word it makes it seem like the Future Avatar legitimately pulled a Face–Heel Turn. Future Past Grima makes no such indication and it's clear that they had hijacked the Future Past Avatar. The indication that the Future Avatar may have willingly switched sides may be why Future Grima has Anathema and Ignis sporting a crackling purple lightning aura while Future Past Grima replaces it with Aegis and Hawkeye while rocking an extremely thick and wispy dark aura. Also, since Future Grima is not as strong as Future Past Grima, that's why they don't have Aegis and Hawkeye yet.
- Both Gangrel and Walhart state that you've already killed them once, Emmeryn took a fall that by all rights should have killed her yet survived without having Miracle equipped (though she is stated to be the hardest to kill), and Aversa was most likely killed and seeing how suicidal she became after Validar's death, she likely was waiting for it to happen. Future Yen'fay is another exception... probably... he's possibly lying about being from the future considering how strained he and his sister had become in the present, and you do recruit him in the same place his present day counterpart was buried.
- From Chrom's stoic dickery and mannerisms on occasion, to Lissa's low self worth and numerous insecurities, and to Emmeryn's severe suicidal tendencies, there's more to this family than what's at the surface.
- Chrom is a bit of a ruthless dick, and he knows it. Next to the Manaketes (Nowi and Tiki), he's the next big example of I Just Want to Have Friends; take note of his poor support pool as well as who's in it, read through his and Olivia's supports as well as Gaius' supports, and watch how vehement he is about not sacrificing the Avatar to kill off an Eldritch Abomination once and for all, and if they do, he nearly breaks down. Ricken and Nowi's B Support shows that the townspeople shit-talk him despite everything he does for them. That bit can also be part in due of him being scared that he'll lose his close ones and end up alone.
- How is Chrom a dick? He seems to get along just fine with the characters in his supports and Ricken. He's quick to trust, from recruiting Robin when he/she were unproven and Tharja when she actively brought up the possibility of betraying him. He's not good at socializing, but that's hardly the same thing.
- This also adds another layer to his remorse for not being there for Lucina and her sibling; the fact that his children grew up without parents just like himself, Lissa, and Emmeryn must have hit hard.
- Lissa stated in her B support Lon'qu that she doesn't believe anyone would care if she died and that she was a bastard child thanks to not having a brand. And when she believed Emmeryn was dead and when they talk again in Hot-Spring Scramble, Lissa revealed that several times she was so depressed she was almost Driven to Suicide.
- Emmeryn is probably the worst in regards to all this. How about sacrificing your entire self-worth for the good of the world, culminating in your suicide attempt? It's almost as if she wants to die.
- Nowi is amazingly naive and ignorant, things that even an emotionally- and mentally-teenaged person would eventually grow out of after centuries of experience.
- She comments on her supposed age much more often than normal. Either she's trying to remind everyone (including the audience) that she's not too young for romance with folks in their twenties, or she's trying to keep up her lie.
- In her introduction chapter, Nowi explains that she's centuries old and gushes, "No wrinkles!" even though she ought to know that no manakete would have wrinkles at only 1000.
- All of this, however, can be somewhat justified in that she basically wasn't allowed to grow up. She was stolen from her parents and Tharja all but tells her that they are long dead. She also shows several Obfuscating Naivete moments, especially in regards to her daughter.
- Actually, this makes some sense. If Nowi really is about 13 or 14, it's entirely possible. I can tell you, she could easily know more than she lets on. Obfuscating Naivete wouldn't be too hard. Not to brag, but I'm 15, and I know enough to be able to conceivably notice Nah's lack of stamina. It really isn't very complex to see when somebody is tired out from using too much power too fast. Alternately, Nah being half-human may have something to with it. Perhaps Nah (and possibly Morgan, if one marries Nowi) won't outlive her friends by such a huge gap as one'd think. It could easily be explained as, y'know, the whole "First ever half-Manakete half-human" thing being new and completely unexplored.
- Nah doesn't age like a full-blooded Manakete. Her support with female Morgan brings up her age; while they never say exactly how old she is, it's implied she's only marginally older than Morgan. She ages slower than a human, but far more like a human than a Manakete.
- Pretty much confirmed. Many of her non-lord outfits, particularly the archer, show her being considerably bustier than her portrait would suggest.
- OBJECTION! In case you haven't noticed, most of those models are GENERIC. Heck, Morgan/Build 2 Avatars are literally just shrunken models. Marry Anna and 13-14 Morgan has a considerable bust size for her age. Change her to a Tactician and her chest suddenly shrinks. Furthermore, you're operating off the assumption that ALL women have big busts, which is COMPLETELY false. As well, Warriors/Dark Mages always have very sexually attractive, exposed bodies, even on child/young teen builds. Seriously, think through what you're saying. Literally the only non-generic thing on a Class-Changed character model is the head. You KNOW this, because reclassing Flavia or Basilio suddenly gives whatever isn't their face a lighter shade of skin.
- Further evidence that Lucina is naturally flat: she loses her mask very early in the game, revealing her gender as her hair magically grows out. Since everybody now knows her true gender, why should she still bind her chest? Especially with her Great Lord outfit. You could justify her normal Lord outfit since it already appeared when she was a "man", and the fact that Marth's Einherjar reuse the model, but you can't justify her Great Lord outfit.
- Juuuuust gonna point this out: Concept art of Lucina showed her a bit bustier than in game outside of her normal outfit. So technically going by that, yes, she does indeed bind her bust. Also the official artwork of her, see here and here. Not exactly large, but still more notable than her normal outfit.
This can really only be explained if he, without knowing it, fell victim to a curse that causes him to have horrible luck with women. By this, I mean not only that he is at times compelled to say extremely stupid things, but that women around him react to him far more angrily and contemptuously than they normally would. And this is pretty much a confirmed phenomenon. More than half of the women he can support with act Out of Character around him, sometimes to nigh sociopathic levels (I'm looking at you two, Nah and Noire).
And if we notice, the further he gets with a woman in spite of the curse, the more he will almost automatically screw it up, as if driven by a compulsion. The curse finds out he's about to get married? It tries to stop it by making a totally unnecessary comment slip implying he still plans to flirt with other girls. The curse finds out he has a future SON? Suddenly then, and only then, do we get any indication of him actually flirting with other girls after marriage (ignoring his other supports, which are all written assuming he's still single, as everyone he talks to still seems to think he has no girlfriend/wife. Thus, rather than being indicative of him being a cheating bastard to begin with, it's simply indicative of a plot hole in the support system).
He seems to be free of this curse in the outrealms, as he has a very healthy and charming conversation with the Avatar if she is his wife during Hot Spring Scramble, and his conversation with Mia in Smash Brethren 2 is quite pleasant, without any anger at all from Mia (though she could also be immune to the compulsion to hate Inigo due to being an Einherjar).
- I posit that it was Tharja who cursed him. After all, the Village Maiden seemed quite pleased with Inigo, indicating that she'd had zero issues with his behavior beforehand. Inigo only has issues after he joins up with Chrom. Tharja cursed him to keep him away from the Avatar. This doesn't only work for the female Avatar, either. Inigo has a few Ho Yay moments, and Tharja doesn't seem to be too hung up on little things like gender. She was just... being cautious. All of those Ho Yay moments end badly, after all, so it might not only apply to women — if Inigo tries to flirt with anyone, the curse kicks in. And if Inigo is the Avatar's child? Well, anyone Inigo ends up in a relationship with is one more person who's close to the Avatar. A daughter-in-law for the Avatar to dote on? Not on Tharja's watch.
- Maybe, but there are a few holes in that theory. Notably, there's no guarantee that Tharja's even alive at this point. The player could have been an idiot and killed her in her recruitment chapter. And it's clearly not exclusive to the Inigo who went to the past. Future Past Inigo references his difficulty (in the context of it suddenly being gone and him not caring much) as well, and possibly mentions it in one of his potential father conversations, I really don't know, I haven't seen all of them. But the fact that it's suddenly gone by the time of the epilogue suggests to me it could, maybe, have been connected to Grima in some way. I doubt it's something Grima itself would do, that seems dumb, but something broke the curse by then.
- There are really only two people who could hex Inigo: Tharja and Henry. Ricken is shown to be able to use hexes in his supports with Tharja, but he's not likely to hex anyone on purpose. If it was an accident, he would probably ask Tharja or Henry to remove the curse if he couldn't. An enemy Dark Mage could have hexed Inigo, but it's more reasonable for an enemy to use a fatal curse if they had.
- What about the Maiden Villager, then? She wasn't described to be a noble woman.
- If I recall correctly, she's named 'Maiden', isn't she? It's just that the Villager Maiden portrait is reused for her, because a custom sprite or even a name for the wife of the Exalt and the mother of Princess Lucina (and, by extension, the Queen of Ylisse) would just have been silly. So technically I suppose she could just be a very... low-key noblewoman.
- What about the Maiden Villager, then? She wasn't described to be a noble woman.
- Henry can too, though...
- Henry can talk to flowers. He's probably just an exception to the rule. To all of the rules.
- This would also make them branded. Are we to assume that they have brands, but they never mentioned them? Nobody even seems to remember what Laguz are, surely it can't still be a mark of shame millennia later. Plus, they don't have the ability of animal communion, they just have a deep bond with Minerva. In Gerome's C support with Cherche, he TWICE fails to understand what Minerva's trying to tell him.
- Libra can also learn how to talk to Minerva.
- It would certainly explain why he has Sumia's hair color in official art instead of Olivia's.
- Inigo's is more blue-ish, though.
- Kjelle has dark purple/brown hair in her official art. I don't think that means Tharja and Sully were originally the same character.
- Ragnell was never bloodline-restricted. Only being usable by Ike was purely part of gameplay.
- Adding onto this, maybe one of Ike's descendants taught one of Marth's descendants Aether, which explains why it's exclusive to Chrom's family in this game.
- Alternatively, most Ylisseans in the North American version feel the same way most people in North America do regarding cousin marriage. The cousins cover up their relationship by claiming they're just very close in order to avoid scrutiny.
- Morgan is an extention of this personality, given free will by Robin who doesn't want to be a god.
- Robin is also technically immortal; but only Nowi unconsciously realized it. Tiki was too busy comparing him to Marth.
- Kamui is another extension of the Robin oversoul. In fact, this process is shown in Fire Emblem Fates when the Avatar can "breath life into the Earth" to create an extention (bond units) with another Avatar.
- This is why Grima / Robin could be killed forever in Future Past; that Future version is the future version of Grima fusing with Fused Robin. Robin LET them kill him/her permanently.
- Robin is also technically immortal; but only Nowi unconsciously realized it. Tiki was too busy comparing him to Marth.
- This even allows for pairings that can't happen in the game proper, such as Chrom x Cordelia, Stahl x Sumia, and Cordelia x Sumia.
- Well, at the very least, Lucina and a Chrom-fathered Inigo do prove that the brand doesn't have to be on the person's skin at all. It's not too much of a stretch to assume from there that it could be inside the body entirely. Lissa's heart would be some wonderful symbolism, since she has a couple of support chains revolving around her role as The Heart. It would be tragically ironic, though, since she'd technically have it but not know about it. (Also, I could see a Chrom!Inigo being explained by the fact that he's actually more perceptive than he appears, so the reasoning could be more similar to Lucina's than it seems.)
- In the case of Inigo, it's entirely possible that his is on the bottom of his tongue, seeing as how we never see him stick his tongue out - reason I suspect his tongue is because of where Owain's brand is (his hand), and seeing as how he uses a sword the most, logically, a Chrom-fathered Inigo should have a brand on the part he ends up using the most - and he spends the most amount of time flirting...
- Isn't it explicitly stated that Chrom!Inigo's Brand is on his eye?
- They both have a strong relationship with Basilio.
- They both have trouble interacting with the opposite sex.
- In Olivia and Inigo's mother/son supports, it's revealed that the reason why Inigo is such a flirt is because Future!Olivia told him that flirting with women was the best way to overcome shyness, and was a sign of true bravery. Indeed, one of Lon'qu's greatest challenges was to overcome his fear of women.
- To top it all off, Inigo's daughter Soleil also tends to get nervous around women, which she might have inherited from her grandfather.
- Brady's C-support with his father assumes the latter hardly ever drinks tea. Ricken, who gets Ship Tease with Maribelle in the main story, is established as a tea drinker. Gaius, on the other hand, makes sense as a non-frequent tea drinker due to his background.
- Honestly, Grima having gone nuts would explain a lot about him, as well as why he even has worshipers (if he used to be kind like Anankos, then the Grimleal may have originally been genuine, but now worship him more out of fear). Plus, there are a lot of tie-ins to Awakening in Fates — Chrom states he's heard of Nohr and Hoshido in a DLC, possible reincarnation of certain characters, Good!Anankos directly visiting Severa, Owain, and Inigo in another DLC... It's not impossible at all for Nohr and Hoshido to have heard of gods that technically originated elsewhere and then coming to worship their own versions of them, all things considered.
- Unlikely, considering that Awakening and Gaiden/Echoes are ~2000 years apart, and Nowi claims to be around 1000, making her a bit too young for said character to be her father. His human form as seen in Echoes does kind of resemble her, though, so maybe they're related in some other way, like niece/uncle or grandparent/grandchild?