- Confirmed. Charles wanted the Thought Elevator there. The occupation was just a cover.
Hey, The British Empire did the same to China in real life (ending with Hong Kong being a British tea trading colony), so why not?
- The real reason why Britannia never waged a direct world war against the Chinese Federation is because the Chinese blackmailed Britannia by threatening to destroy all their stocks of tea.
- C-Consciousness = C.C.?
- Confirmed in Lelouch of the Resurrection, wherein the Holy Britannian Empire was abolished (replaced by the Principality of Britain), and Nunnally is no longer the ruler, rather she spends her royalty involved in charity, ala Princess Diana of Real Life UK.
- Alternatively, that is his geass' only power and he controls people by rewriting there script.
- In addition...
- Alternately...
- Likewise, the Britannian royal family is an attempt at creating the greatest emperor. Clovis was incredibly charismatic, but otherwise useless. Cornelia is a proficient commander and talented pilot, but shows no capacity for politics whatsoever. Schneizel is considered to be both an excellent politician and general.
- Lelouch is something of a byproduct. On one hand, he's incredibly intelligent and charismatic, capable of engineering everything from battles to conversations with uncanny skill. On the other hand, while he's three times smarter than everyone else, his brain requires three times as much energy. As such, his stamina is absolutely abysmal.
- The explanation for Kallen would blow your mind.
- Or the Cell Auction-A-Dude thing? No. She was an expy of Nonette just to avoid the anger of Lost Colors fans, because they can't blow her up on screen.
- Reasonable enough, but if so, What position is Lelouch going to be in his plan?
- The Emperor. Actually, that makes sense. Suzaku dethrones Charles, then Lelouch comes to the stage and, as legitimate heir to the throne, becomes the Emperor.
- Suzaku would have to kill a lot of people to get Lelouch on the throne.
- Suzaku has spilled oceans of blood, so it ain't that far off.
- Reasonable enough, but if so, What position is Lelouch going to be in his plan?
- New England.
- We're shown the location of Pendragon on the map. It's inland, closer to the west coast.
- Specifically, it's shown to be in what is Arizona in our world. Based on the mountains, it's most likely Phoenix.
- When will people understand that it was Schneizel's deliberate ploy to see Zero's reaction?
- But the thing is that it's an illegal move. It's not that it's not recommended to play like that; you're actually not ALLOWED to play like that. It really makes no sense at all to someone who knows how to play chess. The goal in chess isn't to capture the king, it's to trap the king.
- The whole point was to see how Zero would react to an explicitly illegal move, because Zero's reaction would tell him "what kind of man" Zero is. He even states this after seeing Zero's move. Zero's options were to appeal to the rules and call Schniezel a cheater (which is probably what Odysseus would have done,) back down and accept that someone as powerful as Schneizel isn't bound by the same rules as everyone else, or to change the rules himself and kill the king (which is what the Emperor would have done.) By backing down and accepting Schneizel changing the rules mid play, Schneizel was able to infer that Zero desired to be accepted as a legitimate world leader. Knowing this is how Schneizel was able to anticipate the founding of the UFN and the Black Knights transition from terrorists and rebels to a legitimate and legal trans-national army.
- But the thing is that it's an illegal move. It's not that it's not recommended to play like that; you're actually not ALLOWED to play like that. It really makes no sense at all to someone who knows how to play chess. The goal in chess isn't to capture the king, it's to trap the king.
- Nah, can't be. Syaorans and Sakuras only breed more Syaorans and Sakuras. They're like Pokemon that way.
- NO. If he was Syaoran or Syaran's son/alternate self/clone/whatever he'd have about 5000 times the moral and ethics. Syaoran at ten years old was more morally sound than Suzaku at seventeen. And that is BEFORE Suzaku let the Emperor Mind Rape Lelouch. It just gets worse from there.
- Err. Except it was Schneizel's idea. Nunnally just insisted on being given the trigger because it was going to happen anyway and she was sick of letting others take responsibility for ugly decisions.
- ALL HAIL OPPAI!
- Of course, the same also goes for the Japanese girls, and the men....
- is it CLAMP after all did you expect, ugly people?!
- ALL HAIL OPPAI!
- Oh, and he has white hair, just like Empress Tianzi. Curious, isn't it?
- It's definitely suspicious that there's two albino Chinese teenagers running around....
- Well, the idea that C.C. would deliberately track down Mao because he had connections makes her sound slightly less psychotic and cruel than that she simply picked up a little boy to give Geass to just because he was "special."
- It's definitely suspicious that there's two albino Chinese teenagers running around....
When Lelouch tries his Taking You with Me plan in the first season finale, Light retorts that the only one who is going to die is him and that he is Kira. On the top of that, he plans on using a piece of the Death Note to kill Lelouch. He has ordered Misa to get Kallen out and doesn't try to kill her because of her getting shock by the revelation of Zero's true identity is what he needed to humiliate her. After hearing that Suzaku is planning on killing Lelouch, Light tells him that he is the only one to finish him, and just as he is about to write down Lelouch's name in the piece, Kallen recovers from her shock and stops him by shooting his hand. However, Light has escaped from her.
This is the explanation why a sequel occurs: it's about Light trying to kill Lelouch. When Lelouch has become emperor, Light has wait first because he wanted Lelouch to die in front of everyone. At the day of his plan to execute the U.F.N. leaders and the Black Knights, Light begins writing down his name with the detail of having Suzaku, the new Zero, kill him in the Death Note. Lelouch smiles as he dies because he knew that Light caused it and lets him do it so that both of them can have one thing: the New World.
- Who says CC wants a clean kill? Also she probably dragged the body off campus, since no one ever seems to come to the school and investigate a murder, and decided to try making Mao "compact." Plus don't you think Lelouch is just a little to smart to not make sure his enemies are dead?
- But everyone in Code Geass uses the same damn pistol and it doesn't look like a .22. Also, I agree with the above troper. CC would take Mao away and make damn sure he was dead after shooting him. She wouldn't just leave a body lying around where someone could find it and start investigating. And if she wouldn't, then Lelouch would make her or do it himself.
- Actually, The pistol C.C. uses in that episode is indeed a different pistol than the model used in the rest of the series. It sort of resembles a target .22 automatic to This Troper, But since guns are different in the Code Geass universe...-shrugs-
- But be all that as it may... why would C.C. just leave Mao in the streets to rot, even if she thought he was dead? It would attract so much unnecessary attention, and start an investigation that could cast suspicion on her or Lelouch in the long run. Plus she'd probably at least try to bury him, as a way of saying how sorry she was for all the trouble she caused him.
- Whose to say C.C. didn't still have some feelings for Mao and took him to the Hospital herself, hiding the fact that he still lived from Lelouch? She could have stuck around long enough to find out about the amnesia and then left.
- A few other theories to Mao's wherabouts:
- The bullet knocked some sense into him, he gave up trying to kidnapp C.C., and fled the country.
- He made a full recovery, and then spend the rest of the series trying to Kill Lelouch ofscreen... but failed miserably.
- Lelouch survived his so-called "Death", but Mao came and killed Lelouch for real shortly afterward.
- He's really in the World of C, and Lelouch's bad luck since then was Mao screwing with him.
- He's actually the mysterious cart driver (!) at the ending scene with CC (he does look vaguely Chinese). She only mentions Lelouch while looking up at the sky and it's in respect for him as an accomplice (which she called him many times) and gratitude for the lessons he taught her (which she may then have applied to Mao and patched things up).
- You meet god, you're going to find out something like that. The last few episodes was actually an attempt to make things as entertaining as possible for the viewers.
- Better yet, Lelouch is now stuck in our world and is the one that is organizing all the Zero imitators over in China. China did complain about rebels with leaders named Zero...
- The giant battle in the sky was meerely an attempt to distract the author so that they could escape into the real world. Of course only Lelouch manages it, and he sets off in search of The Author, leaving Suzaku and CC to watch over the world inside the Anim?.
- Nope
- Maybe. She ends the series without any of her memories altered, growing oranges (HAR!) with Orange-kun, who was presumably in on the plan to fake Lelouch's death since he was smiling when guy with a sword was charging Zero, his object of absolutely loyalty/worship. So if she knows what Orange-kun knows, she's on Lelouch's side.
- Orange was totally in on the plan. The ultimate symbol of loyalty wouldn't let his emperor die that easily unless it was the emperor's will.
- And now he's dead, and Lelouch had such distaste for him that he refused his final wish to be geassed. So what does that mean?
- Easy, it's a pot shot at the executives. Due to being Screwed By The Timeslot, several changes were made to the original plan for Code Geass. So the director "betrayed" Lelouch for going along with this. The original plan didn't even have mecha.
- Alternatively... well, let’s just say he’d have quite a few reasons to detest the writers. Cosmic Plaything and all.
- Jossed in R2. C.C. had the immortality curse forced upon her by a nun, having had no idea what she was getting into. This seems to be the standard, going by the nun's words.
- Though who knows where the nun came from.
- Hints that it's an archive are shown elsewhere: in the 1st intro of the 2nd season we see one sphere above another, the lower resembles a human eye with the lens and veins, the upper sphere is much more crafted, with multiple segmented circles inlaid on each other like crop circles or clock gears. This could mean some form of memory storage, and then there's the 'Akashic record' that Edgar Cayce spoke of as a repository for human thoughts and memories, perhaps Clovis, Marianne and others might still exist there as 'echoes', and seeing how C.C. appears to talk to dead characters, as does the Emperor, there's more to be revealed here.
- Or... it could just be a super weapon like he mentioned earlier on in the show that can destroy "the gods," or in essence, Geass users.
- The gods were mentioned to be human aggression in one of the episodes.
- Well, World of C is actually a representation of collective unconsciousness of human kind that help shaped reality (ala Sphere, Mage:The Ascension); aka God. Ragnarok itself is the process which connects the Sword of Akasha between the real world and the World of C, allowing everyone to speak their own thoughts... so is it jossed or confirmed?
- Confirmed somewhat. Jupiter is actually a representation of collective unconsciousness of human kind that help shaped reality (ala Sphere, Mage:The Ascension); aka God.
- Well, the first point of departure must have been in at least geological time, with the formation of Sakuradite in the Earth's crust. Last I checked, we don't have that in our world. There are other differences though, the Second World War has obviously not happened, and thus nor did the Manhattan Project, as no-one had successfully built a nuclear bomb until Nina did, but a conflict analogous to the first world war did happen, as we see it in a flashback from C.C.
- It's conceivable that the cataclysm (which we've now placed somewhere between 1918 and 1939) was powerful enough to fuse some elements together to create new minerals. That would also explain some of the weirder surface formations.
- It's pretty much confirmed in R2 that the point of departure, not counting the existence of sakuradite and geass, was Elizabeth having a son. The Middle Ages shown are pretty much the Middle Ages as-was.
- Except that it is also explicit that the Roman invasion of Britain in 55BC failed. Forget just the impact that this would have on British history - having the world's foremost military superpower fail to conquer a bunch of primitive barbarians would change the history of Europe.
- Nitpick: the invasion in 55 BC failing wouldn't have had a huge effect. It was never meant to be permanent and wasn't. It was Caesar being Caesar, kicking around some local tribes, showing who was boss, and promptly going back to Gaul. Britain wasn't actually CONQUERED by the Romans for another 100 years. If you want to change the time line around to Caesar retreating from Britain with his tail between his legs, things wouldn't have been that different, unless that led to Caesar subsequently losing and dying in Gaul, leading to a Pompey-led Rome, Gaul still held by the barbarians, etc. It gets messy from there.
- Doesn't seem likely now, what with the whole world peace thing going on.
- That doesn't last long in Mecha anime.
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- Michael Wilson is 47th president of a United States of America established following Britannia's eventual collapse. Lelouch's Zero Requiem couldn???t have possibly planned for the future Arizona Conflict, Richard Hawk's coup d'etat, and President Wilson's BURNING AMERICAN JUSTICE.
- Alternately, see the WMG page for Metal Wolf Chaos for another possible scenario.
- Actually, Lelouch and Nunnally are in constant danger of being exposed as royal heirs and being used as political tools. It's only because of the protection of the Ashfords and others that they had avoided this fate.
- I've seen this "argument" before and it has no basis in fact. How would being used as a "political tool" in any way endanger either of them? It wouldn't. They are royalty and they can do whatever they want and get whatever they want. Various royal family members have even demonstrated their love and caring for the two (right before Lelouch killed them of course). And we've seen in R2 that Nunnally is still living it up and NOT in any danger whatsoever (unless Lelouch decides to do something stupid such as cause the destruction of Tokyo).
- Nunnally was being used as a tool against Lelouch. Not to mention that Charles cared little for what happened to his children as long as his plan went through. Besides, Lelouch wanted nothing to do with the Britannian Empire, which he saw as blight a on the world, and wanted it taken down.
- Remember how Marianne is supposed to have died? That's why.
- Actually, when you get down to it, Lelouch and Nunnally were supposedly sent to Japan to PROTECT them from V.V. and various members of the Britannian nobility in the first place. However, from Lelouch's point of view, his mother was clearly assassinated by someone in the Britannian nobility, and his father abandoned him and Nunnally. Not to mention that, as a political hostage to Japan, his life was also in danger from the Japanese the moment Britannian invaded. Lelouch and Nunnally living under the name Lamperouge was probably to hide them from potential assassins on BOTH sides of the Britannia/Japan conflict, given that they had no real way of knowing who exactly wanted them dead, and no guarantee that the Emperor would protect them if they did turn themselves in.
- I've seen this "argument" before and it has no basis in fact. How would being used as a "political tool" in any way endanger either of them? It wouldn't. They are royalty and they can do whatever they want and get whatever they want. Various royal family members have even demonstrated their love and caring for the two (right before Lelouch killed them of course). And we've seen in R2 that Nunnally is still living it up and NOT in any danger whatsoever (unless Lelouch decides to do something stupid such as cause the destruction of Tokyo).
- This would seem to be pretty well-nigh confirmed, if C.C.'s voiceover at the very end of Season 1 Stage 25 is any indication...
- You're all forgetting that if Lelouch had never acted and had remained at Ashford with his sister, the Emperor's plans for Instrumentality would have gone into effect. Lelouch didn't just save his sister, he saved all of humanity from losing it's individuality. But nobody will ever know, except Suzaku and C.C.
- There's also the whole Apartheidesque thing where entire nation become second class citizens in their own homelands. They probably are happier after the end of the series.
- Alternatively it's an Amalgam of V for Vendetta and Mobile Suit Gundam.
- And Death Note. Don't forget Death Note.
- This troper likes to think there's some Heroes in there as well, what with all the Geass and increasingly ludicrous plotlines flying about.
- There's a Zeroes picture floating around somewhere.
- Here ya go!
- And Death Note. Don't forget Death Note.
- Well... C.C. was born and bred in the middle ages, and Cecile is alive in modern times. So technically one of C.C.'s relatives may very well be an ancestor of Cecile or some of her relatives, but with such a large time span between them it wouldn't amount to anything much....
- Naturally, this is also happening to all of the other countries.
- So making giant robots is going to decrease the debt, huh?
- Well, we do know of someone who can rewrite memories: the Emperor. Although that begs the questions why Kallen (or Oghi)doesn't recognize him. Naoto-as-Kanon on the other hand, may have liked his new life way too much and that's why the geass never seems to waver...
- Well, World of C is actually a representation of collective consciousness of human kind that help shaped reality (ala Sphere, Mage:The Ascension); aka God. Ragnarok itself is the process which connects the Sword of Akasha between the real world and the World of C, allowing everyone to speak their own thoughts... so is it jossed or confirmed?
- I would say Jossed. Ragnarok was only meant to kill all humans so that their consciousnesses would merge with the ones already residing in the World of C. The World of C itself is nothing more than a repository for human consciousnesses that lack bodies.
- The impression I got wasn't that it would kill everyone, but rather that it would destroy God, which is the force that's causing everyone to be separate.
- Unfortunately, it looks like this is an alternate Evangelion timeline instead...
- This theory could actually work if Charles was an Ancient instead of a Goa'uld, trying to force the whole of humanity to Ascend.
- Unfortunately, it looks like this is an alternate Evangelion timeline instead...
- Has a credit, given that CC told the now dead Urabe about his identity. This is still a possibility.
- Jossed in the fact that the Black Knights never rejoined Lelouch, and still think he's a monster. However, that was pretty much his plan all along.
- Perhaps that was the plan but Lelouch found out about Charles being close by and gave up on his well formed plan for the chance to kill his dad. The Black Knights found out about him using the Geass to make Britannians his slaves and decided he had finally gone too far or they were forced to oppose him after he declared himself emperor and began to fight them. Lelouch is well known to scrap his good plans whenever family is involved.
- As further proof, he's got something going on with Viletta. Does anything more really need to be said?
- Actually the exact opposite. Lelouch is the only one who dies, and that as a part of his own Thanatos Gambit.
- Or he doesn't die. The psychic flashback thing that Nunally gets when she touches his hand is symptomatic of what happens when you touch someone with a Code. He got it from Charles. Also, C.C. nods to the conspicuously concealed cart driver while she's talking to Lelouch about how the Geass doesn't always make you lonely.
- Jossed: Word Of God is that Lelouch IS dead. Also, those who take on Code (like CC) are relieved of their Geass and able to bestow it on others. Lelouch uses his exact Geass many, many times after defeating Charles and his Ragnarok plan. Thus Lelouch never absorbed his Code.
- The same Lying Creator that at one point listed Sayoko and Nunally as deceased in a similar article thingy, then revealed them to be alive in-show. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.
- Plus, the Code only activates when the person 'dies' once. Until then, Geass is still in effect. Besides, the WoG is that Lelouch vi Brittania is dead- what about Lelouch Lamperouge?
- In the ending sequence, he was reduced to ashes by the SUN. I'm pretty sure he's dead.
- What? Where? How? I'm pretty sure the only thing reduced to ashes by the sun was a nuke machine.
- Miraculous Birthday pretty much confirms he is dead. Also, Nunnally's psychic flashback is likely due to her own abilities she gained as a result of the experimentation mentioned in the light novels.
- Or he doesn't die. The psychic flashback thing that Nunally gets when she touches his hand is symptomatic of what happens when you touch someone with a Code. He got it from Charles. Also, C.C. nods to the conspicuously concealed cart driver while she's talking to Lelouch about how the Geass doesn't always make you lonely.
- Episode 22: Brother. Suzaku. I am your enemy.
- On that topic, I thought of something which would be really cool along these lines- suddenly, Nunally's eyes open and of course, she has some kind of geass in both of them. Still, I expect she will end up on Lelouch's side eventually.
- Her eyes are open as of Ep 24. No Geass.
- She doesn't have a Geass, but she is way less innocent then she seems.
- Not really true. She's still innocent and the only was she was brought in was because Schneizel lied to her.
- Her eyes are open as of Ep 24. No Geass.
- They went from pirates to mecha rather quickly, don't you think?
- Well, what did you think that Ultimate Treasure really was? I mean, what would you want: Lots of money, or the most advanced weapon ever?
- Nope, it was a Stargate, dimension gate or some similar shit, that lead the skirt chaser Sanji into the world of Code Geass and he cheated with the wife of the Prime Minister of Japan and fathered the master of spinzaku!!
- Well, what did you think that Ultimate Treasure really was? I mean, what would you want: Lots of money, or the most advanced weapon ever?
- Except in Men in Black, the agents have to tell the people what they should remember; a funny scene in the second film has Jay having to do multiple takes on telling the subway people what happened.
- We never see how the Emperor implants memories. He may have to explain what happens just like how Lelouch has to give a command.
- Pizza Hut (and perhaps even the modern form of pizza itself, considering Britannia's xenophobia) coming into existence with the exact same logo and the exact same Japanese mascot; similarly, the existence of the Japanese BIGLOBE ISP.
- Several American cities and locations retaining their original names (for example, Dallas, Texas was most likely named for a U.S. vice president). As a side question, is it explicitly stated which real-life city Pendragon City is supposed to correspond to?
- I don't remember any cities being named.
- Actually, it's near Louisville, of all places, if the graphic at the end of 2.16 with blue spreading out from around that area is anything to go by.
- And if you go by the map in Episode 23, it's West of Los Angeles on the border between California and Arizona.
- West of LA would be in the ocean. You probably mean east.
- The Britannian "a.t.b." calendar matching up with ours despite starting 55 years earlier.
- There's actually no proof that it matches up. 2017 A.T.B. is, in all likelyhood, 1962 by our calendar, which means that this all happened in The '60s! Which makes a certain kind of sense what with the rampant drug use, the far more prevalent ghettos and the counterculture aspect Zero uses in the creation of the Black Knights, whose very existence is a massive slap in the face, and later on a kick in the nuts when they prove to be more than a ragtag wanna-be resistance group and instead becomes a genuine threat, to Britannia's hierarchy.
- There is also C.C.'s implication that all of the history books (the Britannian ones, at least) are all fabrications.
- Look it's true that there probably should be more historical deviations than what is explicitly stated to have happened, but that doesn't mean that the Code Geass universe is impossible. Statistically speaking, the chances of an alternate universe with only 3 or 4 historical deviations from ours is just as likely as a universe which has millions of more realistic deviations.
- Suzaku (or Ougi) will recover his head, hook it up to complex machinery, and make it tell him all the secrets of their world.
- Since the series is over, he'll have to do it during one of the picture dramas.
- Jossed. Charles is still dead, and even if he did come back, Lelouch already defeated Schniezel.
- So perhaps the secret at Jupiter that Trinity killed Prof. Aifmann over is Geass-related, or a creation of the same society that created Geass users to begin with, an artifact like the world of C probably needs an artificer to have made it.
- Jossed, the reason the Trinities killed the professor was related to GN particle research, specifically the ability to integrate Trans-Am into GN-Tau solar furnaces. The Jupiter connection seems to be related to the fact that true GN solar furnaces can only be created in environmental conditions present on Jupiter. Sunrise just has a thing for Jupiter, I think.
- Jossed hard in the finale.
- If you're willing to climb up the right Epileptic Tree, this could end up being the case. If we're to assume that the cart-driver is actually Lelouch, and suppose that Suzaku is sick of being Zero, or he became corrupt, whatever, then it could happen.
- And even if he doesn't have a Code, people have survived getting stabbed through the gut before.
- I don't think this'll ever be Jossed or confirmed. It was meant to be ambiguous.
- Perhaps a new series will show them owning a pizza place somewhere in the boonies with Lelouch teaching chess in his spare time. One can only hope.... Seriously though, the coachman does have Lelouch's basic build and his clothing is the same color as Lelouch's school uniform, which always seemed to me to be a part of his "good" identity as opposed to the sinister Lelouch vi Britannia. What Do You Mean, It's Not Symbolic?
- Further more, each episode begins with C.C. narrating about Lelouch and the world, and Lelouch takes over after she loses her memory. This seems like the setup for C.C. telling someone, maybe even their kids, the story, with Lelouch interjecting, and filling in various gaps.
- More arguments in favor.
- He's got to live and keep his cart, otherwise the events of Spice and Wolf can't happen.
- Alternatively, he sealed away his Geass with itself, got a different Geass from C.C (mind-transfer? That scene felt very similar to Marianne's death) and used it at the last minute. Or perhaps he learned about the nature of the Code, took C.C's without killing her and will now travel with her until she dies of old age (fulfilling both her wishes, to die and to be truly loved.)
- Jossed. Taken straight from Wikipedia: In volume 42 of the Japanese magazine Continue, writer Ichiro Okouchi confirms Lelouch's death, explaining that it is the price he needed to pay to create his better world. In addition, said magazine includes the name "Lelouch vi Britannia" on its death list.
- So Lelouch vi Britannia is dead. What about Lelouch Lamprouge?
- Lelouch Lamprouge never actually existed. That was a mask that Lelouch vi Britannia wore to hide himself, and fool the world, hence the ever present motif about masks. Or if he DID exist, he died in the first episode of the second season when Lelouch regained his memories. Or he died when Shirley died.
- Ok, so the Word of God is that he is dead. However, there is this possibility that the very last scene actually takes place some 18 years after Zero Requiem, and CC (who, as is well known, doesn't age) is actually talking to Lulu's reincarnation. In other words, he was, indeed, killed, only to be reborn and found by CC again. That's something that comes to mind if you listen carefully to Shirley's dying words... Plus, he is a Magnificent Bastard so he gotta pull off something awesome like that.
- If the theory about a Code holder needing to die before becoming immortal is true, it is possible to truthfully say that Lelouch died, but he is alive now. He may have died, but not remained dead. It's a stretch, but still agrees with Word of God.
- Good point; other anime immortals "die" temporarily before regenerating (consider Rin's jet engine death in Mnemosyne, which took more than ten years to recover from).
- He was reborn as
LeloupardLeopard in The Girl Who Leapt Through Space, which takes place in the Geass world, just some three to four centuries into the future. It's official, just check the manga. - Has Word of God ever lied before to hide something?
- More evidence: The minute Lelouch orders the collective unconscious to not go along with Charles and Marianne's Assimilation Plot, Lelouch gains his second Geass eye. Considering his power is only linked to his right eye (even after it can no longer be controlled) we can assume that the mark of the Code Geass is in his right eye. He removes the other lens for no other reason than to look cool.
- I think thats actually fairly sad I mean Who Wants to Live Forever? He'll have to see his sister die, Suzaku die, he can't tell anyone that he is still alive, His only consolation is IF C.C. decided not to give the code up and she might decide to be by his side. Then he can't be friends with anyone ever again or he'll see them grow old and die. I'm sticking with him dieing.
- But then it works better with the "price he had to pay." If he has to live forever knowing that everyone in the world hates his guts and we already know that immortality itself seems to be very depressing (CC wants to die really badly) so this price is better than just a quick death.
- Here's another idea I don't think anyone has touched on...World peace won't last. Lelouch's plan was nice, and it'll secure peace for the next century at the most, maybe. But, with him as an immortal...He can just do the whole Zero shtick over again. Pop up in a fancy costume with dramatic speeches, manipulate some terrorists, assassinate some bad politicians, wreck some evil empire. It's second nature to him by this point. This way he can ensure peace for humanity until the end of time.
- Here's the problem I think with Lelouch being alive. He has always said that "Only those who are willing to be shot should shoot" or however that quote goes. He put his sister, Nunnally the one person he tried to protect from all this in danger of death. He has put his friends in danger, his allies, everyone who trusted him. If he didn't die from his plan he is not only a hypocrite but all he worked for was a lie. All he believed was a lie. The reason Lelouch's death was both sorrowful but at the same time fulfilling was because he was willing to die for his morals, he was willing to die for what he believed in. If they ever do continue the series show it from Suzaku's eyes. He is Zero now and it must be up to him to bring peace about should war ever break out.
- Exactly Le Louch said it himself. Those who kill should only be those who are prepared to be killed themselves. He was prepared to die from episode 1 of the first series. Word of God is that ending was planned from the beginning. Seriously. He was fated to be killed from the moment he ordered those soldiers to die. The only puzzling thing here is how Nunally got the memory transfer. That would seem to imply that Le Louch has code, which would make him immortal. But there is a simpler explanation. The possibility exists that it is a mastered Geass, and not code, which grants the memory transfer, and obtaining code does not remove this ability.
- Which is ultimately a Broken Aesop, given that others who were just as willing to kill, namely Cornelia in particular, were alive in the end, even though their survival served no purpose. They were pure Karma Houdinis. He could have atoned by simply living on as a benevolent leader when all was said and done for the rest of his life instead of what he pulled at the end, which resulted in even MORE destruction, in addition to his own life.
- That's why he's the (Anti-)Hero and they aren't. As for the rest - would it be controversial to suggest I think Lelouch would be a terrible peace-time ruler? He's too untrusting, too secretive, too unwilling to compromise and far too proud for all the transparency and compromise a real diplomatic society is. And he has an unfortunate tendency to put his loved ones ahead of the people he is leading. He's made some really questionable decisions with the best of intentions and is ultimately self-aware enough to remove himself from being a position where that pattern could continue.
- A lot of Lelouch's flaws have came from having to grow up too hard and fast without any true parental figure, being caught in the middle of a horrible conflict, and having some of the worst luck in general. It's not too hard to feel that he would be able to mellow out in light of a more equal and compassionate world, and still felt he had people he could confide in, the latter of which was shot to hell once the horrible events leading up to Turn 19 had set in. It's important to remember that he had himself killed because he had passed the Despair Event Horizon at that time. (It's important to remember that he suspected Nunnally was dead at first, and that by the time she reappeared, it was too late for him to turn back on the plan.) Plus, had he been in his right mind, he would have realized the Zero Requiem would be a bad idea for the following two reasons: it involved him being worse than anything he had done prior to that, and that nature abhors a vacuum. He wouldn't have to be a key head of state. As for the antihero part, it doesn't necessarily mean that the antihero can't get better after all is said and done. I mean, what business did people who were never redeemed one-time straight villains like Cornelia have? They have even less reason to exist in the new world!
- The first part could apply to most of the main Code Geass cast - do any of them have non-fucked up pasts? And pretty much all of them would be nicer people in better worlds, but they aren't in better worlds yet. Your insistance that Lelouch "wasn't in his right mind" and that Despair is the only motivation for Zero Requiem is a distinct Ron the Death Eater of the guy - both canon and Word of God seem to consider it heavily Redemption Equals Death ("The price you pay for using your Geass..."), far more than they do an act of despair. As for the rest - Lelouch is forgiving of people who matter to him, which is quite noble.
- Which is why Lelouch too could have stood to be in that better world as well, given that there were people who were worse than him despite not having backgrounds as screwed up, and yet still survived. As for my explanation of him not being in his right mind, let me backpedal, reiterate, and also reflect a little. The first thing he does one episode after the Black Knights turn on him, leaving him beyond that point of isolation? He attempts to have himself sealed in the Sword of Akasha with Charles, effectively ending his own life. While he is talking with Suzaku in the Mutuality short stories, he's basically still beyond the point of despair over the loss of practically everyone else he cared about. He also suggests that there are other ways to world peace aside from the Zero Requiem when Suzaku objects to the idea of him giving up his life, but Lelouch says he wants this. Beyond that, the Zero Requiem involves him being worse than he ever was beforehand, doing things such as geassing his soldiers into total obedience and uniforming them behind full face masks, essentially making them disposable nonhumans, taking the UFN leaders hostage and using them as human shields, blowing up the Mt. Fuji volcano and causing destruction over a sizable chunk of Japan, evidently having many assassinations carried out (C. C. hangs a lampshade at one point over how many of those people had a right to object) and finally taking over the world. With the amount of initiative he had, he could have easily used more peaceful and diplomatic means, especially given how much antagonizing the Black Knights, Kallen in particular, threatened to make it all backfire, but he evidently still wanted a way out of life when he created the plan. If anyone else sympathetic (i. e. Kallen, Nunnally, or Kaguya) had died, and it's just lucky they hadn't, it would reflect even worse on Lelouch, and the ending would go straight towards Downer territory. And of course, the ending itself is highly implausible, or at least the likelihood that the peace will last, as nature abhors a vacuum, meaning that human nature is in constant flux, and conflicts will therefore rise again. Which helps invoke Death of the Author over the explanations of the finale, between that, and Lelouch's penance for using Geass, which he did at least somewhat discriminately, only going into full enslavement mode when he was past the breaking point as of Turn 20 and didn't care anymore about his own life. He could have just lived on and dedicated his life to serving the people as Zero as his penance, taking C. C.'s immortality code to that effect. While it's noble that he "forgave" everyone the way he did, I was referring to the story sparing the likes of Villetta and Cornelia of any appropriate karma, which also broke the "Those who would kill..." aesop, and giving them happy endings, which was just plain one-sided.
- You mean the Mutuality story in which Lelouch's own inner monologue talks only about dying for "justice" and "sin and punishment", and is so despairing that he's telling jokes about Nunnaly? Suzaku's POV story is the only one that mentions those lost. As for the "story" - Code Geass is classic Tragedy. If you expected Lelouch to get a Happily Ever After, you were watching the wrong genre. This is the ending Lelouch was always going to get. As for the rest: you are entitled to your own opinion, but it is your opnion. It isn't shared by everyone as this thread shows, and it isn't an objective view of canon. The fact you pull out the tl;dr copypasta any time someone on this wiki anyone even mentions Zero Requiem in a positive manner is overdoing it a bit.
- If Code Geass were Tragedy, it would have something of a Downer Ending, which would frankly be more acceptable in a way than the so-called Bittersweet Ending, where less sympathetic people, including the ones who caused many of the problems in the story, were allowed to live on and even get a Happy Ending. At least there would be no beating around the bush if the former were so. And Lelouch wasn't specifically telling jokes about Nunnally, just making a passing reference to folding clothes. And about the Zero Requiem itself, did you ignore the parts where I mentioned the bad things that he did in the process (i. e. enslavement, destruction, human shields, etc.)? That's not atonement at all! Any right minded person would see a deliberate choice of that as a Moral Event Horizon crossing, given that he could do something more peaceful. And even if that was only in Suzaku's story, that's not to say it was an either/or case. Not to mention that that wasn't the first time he was lamenting everyone he lost, the first time being right after he was chased away from the Black Knights. And of course, it was right afterwards that he made his first attempt at The Last Dance by isolating himself with Charles, hence creating a solid precedence. Lastly, while I agree it's an opinion, it's not an uncommon one, as many others agree that the Zero Requiem and the logistics behind it are highly implausible.
- Classic tragedy isn't necessarily about death, it's about flawed individuals making mistakes, who are unwilling to change, and the inevitable doom that this brings him (or her). Aristotle, who is a big influence on modern tragedy, believed that they should also involve the protagonist ultimately recognising his flaws and mistakes and accepting his inevitable fate (even if he is unwilling to change) - which restores some of his heroism and nobility - and Zero Requiem can be seen as a depiction of. It sounds like an accurate description of Lelouch's story to me, down to the unwillingness to change bit.
- Except that Lelouch digs himself in even deeper with the Zero Requiem, doing things he never would have done before, all because he sees no reason to live with Nunnally gone and the Black Knights turned against him. He did still have a grain of Heroic Resolve left in him before the last crucial event. If there's anyone I blame, it's Ohgi and Villetta for butting in at the wrong moment as I have pointed out under Unwitting Instigator of Doom, prior to which the Black Knights were suspicious of Schneizel and Kanon. Maybe they could have pulled off the Heel Realization / Earn Your Happy Ending, but the way they did it was a first-rate clusterfuck, especially in that they too often made a Designated Monkey out of Lelouch, to the point where they failed to dole out the karma elsewhere, save for Suzaku and to a lesser extent, Nina.
- No-one ever said Tragedy was fair. As for the rest - even prior Zero Requiem, Lelouch has done a lot of things he "never would have done before". Why is this example different (other than you don't like it)?
- Look, not everyone has to agree with canon 100%, just at least respect it. The ending of Code Geass came with happy music, Kallen narrating that the world is a better place now and she's doing great, we're shown Zerozaku bringing Nunally back to the authorities (and she's looking pretty chipper for a girl who's lost her older brother), and Oghi and Villeta are sitting together and smiling, the latter with a bun in the oven. Classic dystopian ending. Furthermore, there is a cut scene at the very end where C.C. is sitting on top of a cart, and for a second, we're shown the face of the cart-driver (albeit with Hidden Eyes), with soft black hair and a suspiciously familiar build. The scene was to let the audience decide for themselves how they wanted the ending to turn out. It was later cut, and apparently Lulu's death is set in stone. What I don't get though is that apparently I'm not aloud to water the Epileptic Trees or prefer a fanon ending because - *gasp!* - the author jossed it! Seriously, not everyone is going to agree with the author's idea of what constitutes a "happy" ending. You crying Fan Dumb is a bit unfair, don't you think?
- Don't play the Complaining About Story Arcs You Don't Like card on me. It was an Ass Pull of a Trauma Conga Line that led to the Zero Requiem, simple and plain. Just mere episodes beforehand, Lelouch, as Zero, had finally set up a legitimate international body in the United Federation of Nations, through which he along with the Black Knights were ready to launch a legitimate insurgence, in other words, a revolution, against the Britannian Empire for international freedom. You cannot tell me that brainwashing thousands of soldiers, using them as meat shields, not to mention a civilian body of international figures, blowing up a volcano filled with the world's most valuable and volatile energy source and causing destruction over most of Japan, amongst other sordid acts as part of a Genghis Gambit that includes setting your friend as your former alter ego even though he lacks the qualities of said alter ego and having yourself killed on the faulty premise of taking the world's hate with you, even though hate is part of human nature, is better. Especially when you caused more destruction than ever before, and would have been more use to the world alive than dead. And the ending is presented as happy, even though not for Lelouch, so they weren't even going for Tragedy. While the tragedy only has to do with Lelouch, the thing is is that it's distributed unfairly towards him, and on top of that, didn't even have to happen in the first place, given the aforementioned circumstances, making it a Shoot the Shaggy Dog case. Besides, while Lelouch had done many things he once said he would never do, he had kept a modicum of standard prior to the fallout of the betrayal. Geassing all of his subordinates into full obedience? Only Black Knight he geassed was Kallen, and that was only to ask her a question. After the betrayal, he geassed all of the Britannian soldiers he would be making use of... into COMPLETE OBEDIENCE. That alone speaks volumes.
- Does anybody remember one of Lelouch's favorite lines? "The only ones who should kill are the ones willing to be killed." It's possible that this is some immature rage that he grows out of, or some hypocrisy, but that's all character interpretation. Suppose he really meant it- then what's the best possible way for the writers to prove this point?
- I think the biggest problem with the ending is that it's utterly unrealistic. Yes, I know you can say "you can't argue realism in a show with mechs and magic powers", but there IS such a thing as suspension of disbelief. You cannot simply off the leader of a giant empire and then have everything suddenly get better, that's not how it works, that's never how it works. Especially considering that the worldwide Britannian Empire was only just recently created (in being one world nation I mean). Things aren't going to get better, they're going to get worse, because you just removed from power the guy that was keeping all these previously independent factions from in-fighting. Need I remind you of The Italian Wars? The Reign of Terror? Post-Saddam Iraq? As Yang Wen-li said in LOGH, "history has shown that society doesn't improve through an assassination".
- Exactly Le Louch said it himself. Those who kill should only be those who are prepared to be killed themselves. He was prepared to die from episode 1 of the first series. Word of God is that ending was planned from the beginning. Seriously. He was fated to be killed from the moment he ordered those soldiers to die. The only puzzling thing here is how Nunally got the memory transfer. That would seem to imply that Le Louch has code, which would make him immortal. But there is a simpler explanation. The possibility exists that it is a mastered Geass, and not code, which grants the memory transfer, and obtaining code does not remove this ability.
- The ending to the Picture Drama "Miracle Birthday" suggests Lelouch is dead, but somehow still able to "mess around" with the real world (At least he did it in favour of his friends).
- Theory is now confirmed as of November 2016 with the announcement of Lelouch's return for season 3! Have to wait for its release for the 'how' though.
- I believe they can give an unlimited number of people one power each. (That is, one power per person, not one power from C.C. and one from V.V.)
- Which power each person receives probably depends on their set of mind and what they want the most at the moment of binding: Lelouch wanted to change everything and got the absolute order power, CC wanted to be loved and got absolute love Geass, Charles probably had too many painful memories, Marianne was likely discontent with her own status (or maybe even body), etc. One more thing is that in the manga, Lelouch receives a different power under different circumstances from CC. It is also interesting that Lelouch is apparently the only Geass user with a limiter (one order per person), an early foreshadowing that he will be the only one to not succumb to it completely. This is probably because his subconsciousness always knew that giving absolute orders is wrong (or at least, a fanboy of his like myself prefers to think so).
- It kinda seems to be the exact opposite, actually. Seriously, Lulu, who reveres the human will, gets the power to crush it? Chuck, who despises lies in all their forms, gets the power to lie on a whole new level? CC wants to be loved... and gets a power that makes her completely unable to discern whether someone actually loves her or just got mindwiped? Even Bismarck's geass seems to fit the same rule, considering he avoids using it when possible.
- No, it's definitely a manifestation the person's true desire at the time of receiving the power of Geass. Geass is actually wishes (see episode 25 of R2), and as we all know, Be Careful What You Wish For...
- Actually, it sounds feasible, too. In any case, the nature of one's Geass power always depends on one's own personality and desires.
- Jeremiah's geass to cancel other geasses fits this pattern too, seeing as Marianne, the driving force in his life, is essentially just a geass suggestion at the point he receives it.
- It kinda seems to be the exact opposite, actually. Seriously, Lulu, who reveres the human will, gets the power to crush it? Chuck, who despises lies in all their forms, gets the power to lie on a whole new level? CC wants to be loved... and gets a power that makes her completely unable to discern whether someone actually loves her or just got mindwiped? Even Bismarck's geass seems to fit the same rule, considering he avoids using it when possible.
- All the powers shown in the series seem to work by fiddling with the boundaries between minds. Even Bismarck's prediction Geass is probably based around reading intent.
- True, all of them affect the mind, but geass is a fundamentally physical phenomenon. Lelouch's geass REFLECTS, can be blocked... that's not a psychic ability.
- Maybe it has something to do with the psychic effects being transmitted through visible light. Kinda like light therapy helps against depression, or something.
- True, all of them affect the mind, but geass is a fundamentally physical phenomenon. Lelouch's geass REFLECTS, can be blocked... that's not a psychic ability.
So the Code is essentially a genetic tattoo passed from one host to the next, which grants its current host immortality and the ability to create Geass in people. Geass progresses in certain individuals until it reaches its endstage, in which case the the Geass-holder becomes a suitable host for the Code. My question is this: what is the connection between Codes, and the World of C?
- C.C. seems to have some power over consciousness, like how she Mind Rapes Suzaku in episode 11. Some side materials made mention of her 'breaking down the barriers of consciousness.' Thoughts?
Apparently, at least some Geass users receive powers that on surface seem to correspond with their desires, but instead twist these desires and in the end run opposite to them. To collect the grand unified list (probably a massive stretch, though):
- C.C.: Wanted to be loved. Received a Geass that apparently did that, but instead caused everyone around her to fall in love at first sight, making her unable to distinguish between true and mind control-induced love and eventually just tired of it.
- Mao: Received a mind-reading Geass that allowed him to sadistically drive people into humiliation in revenge for his own ruined childhood. However, what he wanted all along was for C.C. to love him, and she was the only person whose emotions he couldn't manipulate.
- This Troper has thought that Mao, being an orphan who grew up with nothing and no one, wanted to undestand people and how they worked. hence, his geass gave him a complete undersanding of that.
- Or else, Mao's Geass is essentially a Personality Power based on the fact that as a little boy he understood people very well. His Geass made him lose the ability to understand anybody's true feelings or desires because he got caught up in Accentuating the Negative in everyone's thoughts.
- Charles: On the surface, he was a Chessmaster watching in the shadows as his children devoured each other in a power struggle, so he received the power to make people his pawns by essentially destroying their identities. However, what he really wanted was a world without lies and masks where everyone would be their true self — something in direct opposition to his memory-rewriting Geass.
- Perhaps he wanted a world where memories could be re-written and painful pasts blotted out. Possibly explains his (implied) historical revisionism).
- Rolo: Received a Geass that made him a perfect assassin, freezing his victims. However, what he wanted (and what Lelouch exploited) was to have someone who would care about him, and he ended up killing everyone who potentially could by his over-reliance on his Geass and assassination as "the most effective method".
- Lelouch: Wanted to destroy Britannia, so he received a Geass useful at gaining allies and thus starting a resistance movement. However, his respect for free will didn't allow him to Geass people into submission (in fact, the first time he does that near the end of the series, it signifies him pretending to be falling into the Moral Event Horizon). He almost made a point of making all his allies join him willingly and was ready to admit defeat to Euphy — just when his will-crushing power took center stage by itself at the worst possible moment.
- Lelouch's inner desire was to manipulate the world, to play his pieces in a way that was suited to hs ends. Guess what ift he got?
- Lelouch's specific desire was a want of power and control over his destiny so he got the geass of Command.
- Marianne and Bismarck: I admit I'm lost here. Their powers are so insanely specialized, examples of What Kind of Lame Power Is Heart, Anyway?, that it's difficult to imagine what kind of desires they could end up subverting, although it's clear how they were consistent with their beliefs: Marianne, who desired [[Assimilation Plot Instrumentality}}, didn't care much about her corporeal form as long as she could preserve her consciousness in whatever form necessary, and Bismarck's Geass that made him a perfect soldier at the Emperor's service (until Suzaku beat him with another Geass, making full use of the command Lelouch placed on him).
- Marianne was a woman of common birth and a manipulative nature; her Geass was the ability to take on someone else's life and control it. From what we know of Bismarck, he was a fierce warrior and skilled swordsman. Wouldn't a man who breathed battle want to know his opponent's next move before his opponent did?
- Bismarck also always seemed to have the best grasp of the situation in general; making sure Luciano and Suzaku didn't kill each other, explaining to Charles that war is an inefficient means of diplomacy, telling Schneizel that "the meaning of politics will have changed by then" and so on. So I guess his ability to read the future was just an amplified version of this.
- Marianne's might be explained even better by the fact that apparently she was despised by the nobles for her common birth and her Geass power was to enter people's hearts and stay there. Her desire was probably to be loved and remembered but she never mastered it because she disliked the method.
- In Nightmare of Nunnally, Charles' Geass power, which he obtains while demanding power while dying in the assassination that killed his parents, enables him to raise the dead; he survives and takes the throne with that power. Marianne's Geass, which she obtained while dying and becoming disillusioned with her ideals, enables her to enter Anya's body, saving her life and enabling her to find the solution to her Assimilation Plot.
- Marianne was a woman of common birth and a manipulative nature; her Geass was the ability to take on someone else's life and control it. From what we know of Bismarck, he was a fierce warrior and skilled swordsman. Wouldn't a man who breathed battle want to know his opponent's next move before his opponent did?
I think the whole Geass part was actually a modern take on the Deal with the Devil: you get enormous power - but for a price. And your price is directly derived from the kind of power you get.
It's worth noting that it is confirmed textually that it's based on your desires: "The Geass I manifested was to make people love me...because deep in my heart...I...I wanted to be loved by someone. And my wish was granted."
I thought the Geass manifested was a direct conection to one aspect of the collective, the one the person with the Geass most wished for. Geass seem geared to mind/conciousness/soul, and affect people through that collective they are part of, meaning everyone but those that cannot die and go form part of it.
- Confirmed in episode 21, with Ragnarok being an Assimilation Plot. Then subverted with Lelouch destroying the sword and stopping it.
- This one's been outright dismissed by the show's head writer, though. Nunnally is also shown to be alive and well (and still crippled) on the official website.
- This got officially Jossed on the show where Nunnally's revealed to be the new governor-general of Area 11.
- Almost certainly. Also, this implies that some or all of Lelouch's childhood is comprised of Geass implanted memories. Which raises interesting questions as to what might happen if he is hit by Orange-kun's shiny new Geass canceller.
- Jossed in the most recent episode. But the truth is even more ...eh... epileptic?
- Well, she went to palace to learn etiquette, so Lelouch may have met her.
- Considering the fact that she's about Nunnaly's age, its more likely that she was Nunnaly's friend.
- Put two and two together. Jeremiah is a Knight of Rounds. Also, in episode 7 both Suzaku and Gino refer to "Lord Jeremiah" (he was a private when he went MIA) as if he was still around and they knew him personally.
- Episode 9 confirms Orange-kun is still alive (with cyborg parts), but not a Knight of the Rounds.
- The Knight of Rounds part is officially Jossed. Orange joins up with Lelouch.
- In fact, as an extension of this WMG, I think that in the first episode, when Rolo tried to catch Lelouch, he tried to use his Geass to save Lelouch. (Explaining why the screen turned red.)
- Rolo's Geass wouldn't have helped with that situation, but he may have used it to separate Lelouch and Kallen just prior.
- It wouldn't have helped, but he may have used it instinctively anyway.
- Rolo's Geass wouldn't have helped with that situation, but he may have used it to separate Lelouch and Kallen just prior.
- As of episode 4 this appears to be exactly what's happening, though Lelouch is basically just manipulating Rolo at this point.
- He apparently has several spare spots, actually, according to supplementary material.
- The new OP gives a sequence of the following Knightmares: Shinkiro (Lelouch), Shenhu (Xingke), Lancelot Albion (Suzaku), Akatsuki Jikisanshiyō (Used by the rest of Todoh's holy swords), Zangetsu (Todoh), MORDRED (Anya), and the Vincent (Rolo). If we ignore the Lancelot Albion, they are all black knight mechs, with the exception of Mordred. just a thought.
- Given how we know she has had her memories fiddled with by Charles, was almost certainly Lulu's childhood friend, and may know the truth about Marianne, I'd say this is likely.
- However, the flashbacks show that Rolo was primarily used as an assassin, and was employed in the Intelligence division at the beginning of the series. Plus, nobody outside of Intelligence and the Emperor himself knew about Rolo's existence.
- Lelouch states in Episode 2 of R2 that the pilot who's massacring the Black Knights (Rolo) mainly relies on his ability, and his techniques are nowhere near Suzaku's.
So the Emperor kicked the kid out of the system, by arranging (or staging) Marianne's death, rendering Nunnally an invalid, and publicly disowning Lelouch, who thus grows up to be both self-reliant and extremely angry. When he gets older and achieves the fullness of his natural genius, he "coincidentally" receives Geass powers like his father's. Dad and lad!
If all goes to plan, Lelouch's obsession with revenge will lead him to master his powers, shed those last few moral scruples, and take the Britannian throne by main force. Then the Emperor can die happy in the knowledge that an appropriately Magnificent Bastard will pick up where he left off.
- This kind of crossed my mind as an explanation for why the Emperor didn't simply kill Lelouch at the end of the last season (outside of the fact there wouldn't be a show if this happened).
- Not to mention, immediately after Lelouch accidentally Geassed Euphie and made the decision to take advantage of the situation? There's a brief scene with the Emperor laughing hysterically, apparently ecstatic that "Yes, you're [Lelouch] worthy of being called my child now!"
- And in the end, Lelouch will be groomed to surpass everyone in the Knight of Rounds, lead the new Britannian Empire who has conquered all Earth, and finally defeat the Gods, replacing the old Emperor, Because Destiny Says So, or in this case, Just as Planned]].
- This troper thinks the emperor is just a neutral observer that enjoys watching his heirs fight for the throne and that he really doesn't favor anyone. He merely wants the strongest to succeed.
- As an extension, Marianne was never actually killed. The Emperor used his Geass to create that memory in Lelouch's mind. He possibly also manipulated Nunnally's memory as well, she could have been invalid to begin with, and starting to go blind of natural causes. He manipulated her memory to include her mother's death right before she went blind. After Lelouch has progressed to a satisfactory degree to inherit the throne, he'll restore Lelouch and Nunnally's memories, and reveal that Marianne was really in hiding the whole time. (No point in killing off a wife for no reason.)
- There's nothing physically wrong with Nunnally's eyes. Her blindness stems from psychological trauma. It's also possible she only believes she can't walk.
- Judging from Lelouch's comment to Lakshasa when they first met about how he had studied her work in medicinal cybernetics, it is more likely that Nunnally is crippled-crippled and not placebo-crippled.
- Perhaps, but we're not certain yet (as of season 2) whether the Emperor's Geass is single or multi-use yet, as he'd have to manipulate all the nobles who heard the event, and possibly those supervising Nunnally to forge records (whilst Lelouch said he never visited her after the attack). And it also begs the question of who gave him the Geass, whether it was ViVi or someone else-and how he ended up ruler of Britannia (how did his siblings die?). Furthermore, Cornelia said it was Schneizel who took Marianne's body away, so unless we hear it from him, the full truth remains unknown. If it is true that Lelouch and Nunnally were manipulated, it would drive home the choice he had to begin with: whether to follow his past/nation's history and end up ruthless at the top of a society, or whether to free those around him from oppression and create a new future (perhaps with the Power of Friendship and his Black Knight allies).
- The Emperor could have thought Lelouch simply made the best bait for flushing out C.C.
- Though Ep 15 reveals that the Emperor had no need for C.C. It was V.V. who was seeking her out for reasons we will never know.
- It seems following episode 14 of R2 that Charles' Evil Plan may actually have been to create Zero. The flashback with him and V.V. shows that he doesn't even really like Britannia very much, but found it impossible to change it from inside, even from the top; so he has very carefully molded someone powerful enough to shatter it from the outside.
- Jossed! It seems that Emperor and Marianne never cares about Lelouch and Nunnally, only see Lelouch as a bait to draw C.C. out, so that he can take both V.V. and C.C.'s code to initiate Ragnarok
- Or maybe that's what Charles wanted Lelouch to think....
- He actually did care about Lelouch somewhat, but just had a terrible way of showing it. He exiled Lelouch to Japan to protect him from V.V. and tried to justify Ragnarok by doing it for Lelouch and Nunally's sake (even though Lelouch quickly proved him wrong on that point).
- He says that's his motive but maybe his real wish was to die. He realized that he had aged far too much and that his plan could never succeed against the likes of the younger strategists so he set up Lelouch to carry on his will in a more probable manner.
- And if she gets the same cyborg treatment that Orange-kun got? Then it's pretty much guaranteed that the Geass Canceller's going to hit Lelouch sooner than later.
- Except all the people who did the upgrades just bought the farm. Jossed.
- Gaah! Now you've given me a great Fanfiction idea that I can't get rid of! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
- Pretty much Jossed, as Rolo has admitted to killing Shirley, and Suzaku is trying to track down the murderer.
- Even if it weren't Jossed, we see Rolo's eye activate and then Shirley's dead. Also Suzaku would've either stayed with Shirley crying out an apology or carried her out to get medical treatment. The Knight Of Seven isn't going to be punished for killing a girl who was holding a handgun so he would have nothing to hide.
- Also, the finale will deal with Lu Lu geting CC back to put an end to this nonsence once and for all.
- Ironically, though, Lelouch's motivation to travel back in time is much greater now because Nunnally is dead.
- Not anymore. She's actually alive!
- Ironically, though, Lelouch's motivation to travel back in time is much greater now because Nunnally is dead.
- They're putting the Freya on Lancelot. Lloyd apparently went crazy on the Guren and now they won't let Suzaku pilot it. (And by the way, the Freya is a nuke.)
- Jossed as of Episode 18 of R2. But she did "steal" Guren SEITEN
- If you count taking back your own mech as stealing, that is.
- Jossed and jossed HARD. Nunally, her advisor, Sayoko, that one Holy Four Swords guy, and Guilford all die when Suzaku's Geass to live kicks in and he fires the Freya at the Guren SEITEN... and misses, which ends up hitting the Tokyo Settlement government building, killing everyone within and nearby.
- Yeah, I just saw it. I'm really hoping for some kind of magic reset button or narrow escape or something, because I can't really see how the series can have a satisfying conclusion now.
- Though he actually did plan on stabbing Nunnally to death once he found her; it's just that circumstances grew far out of his control.
- Kind of a moot point, since Rolo is dead and it turns out that Nunally is still alive.
- Guilford and Sayoko survived as well.
- This troper thinks that Charles will give his immortality to Lelouch as one last act of assholish-ness. As of episode 20 Lelouch and Charles are sealed in a pocket dimension by themselves. We don't know how time works there, so currently one can assume that the mortal one will eventually die. If Charles doesn't have a way to get out, which his facial expression upon learning what happened seemed to suggest, he may force his immortality on Lelouch than kill himself. You know, something like "Lelouch you're immortal now. Have fun in limbo."* Kills himself* Leaving Lelouch alone for all eternity, or at least he finds some way out (Code Geass R3 maybe?)
- Hell no. Please let the series die with honor and grace. Please.
- Sorry. Code Geass R3: Lelouch of the Resurrection is now in production.
- Jossed in that he used his own Geass to wish the God to erase Charles and Marianne out of existence. Not even Code saves them.
- This does not, however, prove that the Code was not somehow transferred during the process of Charles' merging with the World of C in Episode 21.
- However, evidence leans more towards Lelouch taking CC's Code, since even after he killed Charles, he still had the use of his Geass, which can't be used by individuals with the Code.
- The Geass can't usually be used with the Code because it involves killing the one who gave them it, thus removing the geass. Lelouch, however, never fulfilled CC's contract but instead gained the Code from another source (aka Charles). It never explicitly states that one can't have both if they use two different sources to get them.
- Fans on the Lelouch is still alive bandwagon have theorized that the taking of the code doesn't actually kick in until after the individual has suffered a mortal injury...Which doesn't happen to Lelouch until the very last episode.
- That's not even necessary. If we assume that not taking the code from the person who gave you geass but from someone else leaves you with both immortality and geass, we can conclude that Lelouch was immortal since he had erased Charles. He just never needed it until the last episode.
- This is supported with Nunnally seeing Lelouch's memories when she touches him while he's injured, something which only happens to people with the Code.
- This is most likely part of Nunnally's inborn powers; she can tell who a person is by touching them, so maybe she can also see memories.
- Lulu is alive, Lelouch vi Britannia and Zero are dead. confused? this is a person with 3 seprate personas, The student, the evil emperor, and the Revolutionary. Zero died when requim came about, and Lelouch Vi Britannia died infront of the world at Zero Requime's hands. all that is left is Lulu, the student who made a promise to C.C. to help her live her life without being alone. There is a third season in the works, so even if I am wrong, I win.
- Confirmed, as of episode 20 of R2.
- Suzaku becomes Zero after killing Lelouch.
- Jossed VV killed her.
- Still cosistent. What if she ordered VV to kill her in the first place?
- It's pretty clear from the context it was his doing alone.
- Still cosistent. What if she ordered VV to kill her in the first place?
- Ironically.. Lelouch arranges HIS own murder in the final episode...
- Runs in the family I suppose.
- Mutating into a Cyborg? Doesn't really make him a One-Winged Angel and doesn't matter anyway. By the way, it is confirmed, as that's the very essence of Zero Requiem.
- One of the guys in the suits behind Nunnally is Odysseus. Jossed.
- Not. Unless the drawing is really bad, none of them resembles that guy. And I think that, since Lelouch KNOWS that Schneizel will nuke Pendragon, the fact he make them stay there shows that it is somewhat confirmed.
- None of the members of the Royal Family are listed as dead between Charles, and Lelouch so they are apparently still alive.
- Scheizel nuked pendragon....where all the royal family live. I'm pretty sure that would kill every single one of them
- This begs the question: where was C.C. and what was she doing? Is she plotting to bring Lelouch/Emperor to life or what?
- Living her life? With Lelouch proving to her that she can be loved, she no longer wants to die, and can live her life in peace. Given the interview by Oukochi I can safely say that Lelouch is dead.
- Let me rephrase the question then: if hypothetically speaking, in some alternate dimension not related to Code Geass canon, Lelouch survived and by his code powering up over time become Emperor of Mankind, then what would C.C. had been doing in this particular alternate dimension?
- She'd be dead. The only immortality code available for Lelouch to take would be hers.
- Unless, as some think, the Lelouch stole Charles' code before erasing him.
- Living her life? With Lelouch proving to her that she can be loved, she no longer wants to die, and can live her life in peace. Given the interview by Oukochi I can safely say that Lelouch is dead.
- There are several problems with this theory: the Emperor was probably quite strong, even if he was using his psychic powers to augment his strenght, while Lulu... Then there are psykers: how do we explain them? Lulu/Emperor giving out Geasses, even after "death"?
- Marianne and Charles become Tzeetch, the victims of Euphemia's massacre become Khorne, who's Nurgle?
- Japanese who died in poverty and oppression under Brittannian rule. Not in the Euphinator incident, or in combat or executions, but a long, slow wasting away due to starvation, disease, and Refrain abuse.
- Marianne and Charles become Tzeetch, the victims of Euphemia's massacre become Khorne, who's Nurgle?
- God Emperor is explicitly stated to be an immortal ancient Anatolian though.
- His LIVE! Geass eventually compels him to seek out ways to extend his lifespan again and again as his ideals become ever more twisted.
- Jossed, as above reason.
- Just think about it. Britannicans in Code Geass are basically (the bad ones at least) British Nazis. What would they become if they were in space? British Space Nazis. If they were fanatically religious? Pseudo-Catholic British Space Nazis. What is the Imperium of Man? A pack of Pseudo-Catholic Space Nazis made by a British Company. Makes perfect sense.
- She's his mother. Einstein is half-table.
- Lelouch did say in episode 10 he should have asked her to tutor him in probability.
- I theorize that Nina is simply Einstein's descendant. The genius is In the Blood.
- Very possible. She's the perfect age to be Einstein's daughter if we take into account that the Code Geass universe is actually set in the 1960s
- This troper thinks that Nina is Albert Einstein's alternate universe counterpart. After all, it seems that nobody has invented the theories that would lead to development of nuclear energy, or explosives in this world. Different gender, nationality and date of birth are caused by the minute differences between the worlds' histories.
- She actually reminds this troper of J. R. Oppenheimer, Father of the Atomic Bomb. Upon witnessing the power of his bomb, he said, "If the radiance of a thousand suns were to burst at once into the sky, that would be like the splendor of the mighty one. Now I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds."
- Actually, that sounds like something Lelouch might say.
- Actually, its because their Japanese and mech pilots. They possibly also have some form of musical talent.
- Interestingly, Suzaku's the only major character not to put out an Image Song yet.
- So, then, why did they have her fathered by a Britainnian? Seems like they'd want her to be their own and not related to their enemies.
- So, he has a Sharingan?
- Marianne's didn't really affect the mind so much as inhabit the body and take over when necessary.
The action starts immediately after the Cliffhanger after the first season. It is revealed that Suzaku shot at Lelouch, but his "live" Geass caused him to misfire, because setting off Lelouch's bomb would kill him too. Meanwhile, Kallen recovers from her shock and sides with Lelouch (instead of just leaving as in the actual series): for her, no matter who Zero is, he's still the leader of the Black Knights. She prevents Suzaku from capturing Lelouch alive or disarming him. Then something (not sure what) causes Suzaku to leave the scene and make Lelouch realize that Nunnally was not actually at Kaminejima, and what's worse, he doesn't know her real location: it was just a trap to lure out C.C., who is known by V.V. and Charles to be at Zero's side. The first introduction to the Thought Elevators could also follow here.
Using Guren, Lelouch and Kallen rescue C.C. from the bottom of the ocean before the enemy can get to her. When V.V. arrives, he only finds Jeremiah at the scene, saving him from the brink of death again.
In Zero's absence and with the arrival of Britannian reinforcements, the assault on the Tokyo settlement has crumbled. However, Cornelia disappears immediately after the battle for reasons she doesn't explain, leaving Guillford in charge while uprisings throughout Japan continue. As Zero reassembles the leaders of the Black Knights, he realizes that continuing fighting with uneven forces as it is now can mean the complete annihilation of the Japanese — but as Diethard, who has fled to the Chinese Federation, informs him about the situation there, he decides to use the tension between Xingke and the Eunuch Generals in his next scheme. (Guillford's attempted execution of the Black Knights may or may not occur.)
Meanwhile, Suzaku is commended for his heroism at the battle of Tokyo and for discovering Zero's identity. As he has been recently knighted by Cornelia, Charles offers him the next step: he offers Suzaku the position of a Knight of Rounds in exchange for his agreement to use Nunnally in a plan to draw out Lelouch and C.C., which involves Nunnally becoming the next governor of Area 11. Arriving in a battle-torn Japan, Nunnally tries to restore peace by reviving the Special Administrative Zone of Japan, but obviously, this idea is not met with success. From this moment, the plot of R2 mostly kicks in as Zero convinces the Black Knights to surrender and then pulls off the "one million Zeros" plan.
At this point, Lelouch is completely occupied with the Chinese Federation, without hopping back to Japan. While the fact that he is Zero is still only known to a limited circle, with the circumstances around Nunnally, it's now more or less public knowledge that Lelouch Lamperouge is really Lelouch vi Britannia, and he is assumed to be in hiding. The circumstances of his encounter with Jeremiah may differ from the released version, but the basic plot remains the same: Jeremiah defects to Lelouch, exposing the location of V.V. and the Geass directorate, and from that point onwards, the story proceeds basically the same, without Rolo and the Ashford Academy segments, but with more emphasis on C.C. (in particular, she spends more time in amnesia) and the nature of Geass.
Of course, without Rolo (who's absent from this version not because of characterization, but because there's no room for him as he is without the Time Skip), some elements of the story have to be tweaked. Now it's Sayoko who's sent to rescue Nunnally during the second battle of Tokyo, and something else has to drag Lelouch out of his depression after Nunnally's presumed death.
- The What Could Have Been page mentions two scenarios that were considered. Personally, this sounds more likely than either of them, and sounds more interesting than the actual R2.
- Perhaps Jeremiah could be the one to save Lelouch in Turn 19. He would ask where Lelouch is, then leaves the Black Knights to go have a chat with Suzaku. Afterward, Jeremiah then comes just in time to rescue Lelouch and bring him away from the Black Knights, reminding Lelouch that he does have a reason to live. If for at least one thing: To still find out who killed Empress Marianne, and to avenge her death. Jeremiah would remind Lelouch of that, and conveniently, Jeremiah will drop off Lelouch at a place that would overlook Kamine Island. This would alert Lelouch that one last enemy stands in his way: Emperor Charles. I think this would fit in Jeremiah's character, being absolutely loyal to Lelouch and Marianne, and seeing that Lelouch was about to throw his life away, Jeremiah needed to remind him about why he became Zero in the first place! Jeremiah then takes off, possibly avoiding capture, as people would probably be going after Jeremiah for helping Lelouch. From there, Lelouch heads to Kamine Island and goes after the Emperor...
- I guess this also means Shirley still lives... and Jeremiah inadvertently returning her memories. She could also possibly help Lelouch in some way, although this would require her to call him or something in Turn 19, it's not as if she could be on the Black Knight airship directly herself, to help Lelouch get out of his depression. It's likely, however. Shirley would be right outside the blast radius and would have to wonder where Lelouch is, and would call him. What would she say, though? How could she help?
- This does also mean that she knows who Nunnally and Lelouch truly are, and she would be willing to do anything to help Lelouch. But... how? She wouldn't be able to fight. She could serve as a Morality Pet, much like Euphemia, but...
- Or, who knows. She might just get killed off in the blast as well, but that would ruin Lelouch even further— yet, it would give him another reason to fight. Who knows.
- I guess this also means Shirley still lives... and Jeremiah inadvertently returning her memories. She could also possibly help Lelouch in some way, although this would require her to call him or something in Turn 19, it's not as if she could be on the Black Knight airship directly herself, to help Lelouch get out of his depression. It's likely, however. Shirley would be right outside the blast radius and would have to wonder where Lelouch is, and would call him. What would she say, though? How could she help?
- All in all, one would be curious as to how Turn 19 would be handled, as well as Shirley.
- Well, it's not much, but we do know how the first episode could have been.
Jeremiah's Geass canceler might seem an exception, but it (a) seems to be artificial and not following the effects of normal Geasses, and (b) it only erases the permanent effects ingrained into minds by another Geass, returning the minds to their natural state, so it might not count as a permanent effect by itself.
Character comparisons: Mao looks an awful lot like Kyoji Mujo, so it could be an alternate version of him, a relative at the same orphanage or something similar. An interesting quirk: Kazuma looks like Suzaku, but acts like an uneducated Lelouch and Ryuhou looks like Lelouch and acts like Suzaku. Kanami's purpose is very similar to Nunnally. Plus, Kazuma's refrain "I don't care about ANYTHING!" while trying to save Kanami is very familiar.
Also, was I the only one who thought that cyborg Jeremiah looked a lot like Kazuma's alter? And Kazuma is always Orange?
- The United States of America did exist, but only briefly. Just long enough to lose the Revolutionary War.
- Jossed, or at least with a way bigger chance of VV being a boy. But then again, it's Code freaking Geass, everything is possible... I'd vote "turned himself genderless with Geassing", or eunuch, right now. It would make a whole lot of sense.
- Charles keeps calling him "brother", and they apparently indeed are biological siblings. You would think that he'd know well enough.
- He's also somewhat misogynistic, as he notes that "it's always been the woman who's led the man astray."
- Misogynist women do exist, but yes, Jossed to smithereens.
- i would call this jossed in that Anya doesn't have any memory of her actions when Marianne controlled her.
- But, wouldn't Jeremiah's geass canceller have also restored Anya's memories of those times?
- He doesn't even know she was geassed by Marianne so he has no reason to and Lelouch is dead or not depending on what you think so Lelouch can't tell him that and C.C also doesn't have a reason to tell him that as well.
- i would call this jossed in that Anya doesn't have any memory of her actions when Marianne controlled her.
- I think that Suzaku's powers are an Aborted Arc of him merging with Lancelot. After all, when Suzaki was first geting ready to pilot it, there was talk of possible side effects.
- This troper's hypothesis is that it's already happened, but calls him N.N. (since N is chess notation for Knight)
- A Geass cannot override physical limitations. Lelouch telling Shirley "Don't die" didn't prevent her from dying, because she was physically unable to survive the wounds, even though the Geass took effect.
- Suzaku's "live on" geas would force him to make a pact with C.C. and obtain her Code if he ever learns of her immortality. That would surely make him S.S.
- Or He's already S.S. In the two month time gap, Lelouch gave Suzaku a Geass power which we didn't know about. Zero Requiem happens at the moment when his Geass becomes powerful enough that he can accept the Code Lelouch received from Charles. This supports the idea that Lelouch is in fact dead.
- Suzaku's "live on" geas would force him to make a pact with C.C. and obtain her Code if he ever learns of her immortality. That would surely make him S.S.
Perhaps this is the result of some of some undetectable Geass V.V. gave her, or she could be secretly doing it to see how they treat her after they go insane, but either way you have to admit the person incharge of her has a habit of going crazy
- Actually, her original caregivers were her parents. They're mass murdering maniacs, too. Hrm... This theory has some merit...
- Does Sayoko not count as her primary caregiver? She doesn't seem to be a murderingmaniac, even if she is a ninja.
- Then why didn't she use it on Euphemia?
- She did. She's just smart enough to wait until after the show is over and events have cooled down.
- I can't believe it, but there actually is some proof for this. In the wedding picture of Ohgi and Villeta, sitting just in front of Cornelia and making the same pose as Rivalz, is someone who looks astoundingly like Euphemia. I don't recognize her as any other possible recurring character either, which everyone in the picture is.
- C'mon, there's no way Nina would be able to resist humping her head at that distance...
- The Euphemia look-a-like looks a lot more like Nani Mai Hunni◊. Compare with the original wedding photo.◊
- Still, these photos don't contract the possibilty that Euphemia was ressurrected later on.
- She did. She's just smart enough to wait until after the show is over and events have cooled down.
In addition, when the UFN is ratified, the world map shows Ireland in orange, rather than the red of the UFN or the blue of Britannia.
- It could be that the Kingdom of Britannia was split up after it was conquered by Napoleonic France. Worried that a unified Britannian identity would make the people one day become a part of the Empire once again, the EU split the Kingdom of Britannia into distinct parts, and spent time fostering a sense of Irish, Scottish, English, Welsh and so forth national identities, with an overarching EU loyalty. It could even be based on the Commonwealth of England, Scotland, and Ireland (otherwise known as "The Protectorate", which would both be great names for a British Republic under the French-dominated EU. That's why Ireland would have shown up as orange, it opted for independence rather than remaining with the rump-state EU, Britannia, or the U.F.N., despite having been unified with Britannia since before the Roman attempt at invasion. Besides, the map I found had Ireland in Yellow with the rest of the British Isles, denoting allegiance the the EU◊, but it could just be a different map depending on the timeframe of the series.
I refuse to believe that Okouchi who wrote such excellent anime as ∀ Gundam, Overman King Gainer, and the first season of Code Geass could turn in such awful scripts and think it was good. All of the narm in Code Geass R2 makes a hell of a lot more sense if it was a Stealth Parody and the scenes are intentionally as silly and stupid as possible. I mean one scene is given a blurry purple filter for no apparent reason other than Lelouch was talking to himself.
- Notwithstanding the fact that this sounds like Complaining About Shows You Don't Like, one thing about this assertion is explicitly Jossed: it is confirmed that the show ended as originally intended.
- Here's the problem though, they decided the final outcome before the events that purportedly led up to it. It makes no more sense than Anakin's turn to the dark side in Star Wars Episode III.
- Lebellion and Leconstruction? Nooo, I don't think so.
- Of course. Its spelled Leberrion and Leconstluction.
- Fitting with the Stealth Parody theory above, "Rebellion and Reconstruction" could have been a Red Herring put in place to confuse the English-Speaking viewers. I mean, does Rebellion and Reconstruction really make sense as a title when the full name would thus be: Code Geass: Lelouch of the Rebellion: Rebellion and Reconstruction? Alternatively, the R2 designation is supposed to have different meanings depending on the context.
- Anglo-Germanic, and loyal to the British Empire? Check. Holds racist beliefs? Check. This is based on the fact that the Orange River and Orange Free State are both found in Africa. Britain must have lost South Africa at some point in its history (since most of Africa is held by Europe until R2), with loyal Britannians fleeing to North America rather than live in a free and democratic South Africa (that would have given Black South Africans / Numbers equal rights). Gottwald's ancestors were among those migrants. Lelouch's mention of "Orange" was a nod to his heritage.
- People call him "Orange" because he has... orange eyes....
- Actually, Lelouch mentions making it up on the spot later on to C.C. Besides, they're really more gold...
- Anyone who has even hear a little about Franklin's history knows he was one of the greatest patriots of the Revolution. There's no way title and land would have changed his mind without it being changed for him.
- Or blackmail a la "accept our offer or we ventilate your family"?
- Jossed: they bribed him
- Look at it, all of the nations are at constant war. Besides Britain and Japan, the boundaries of Brittania, the EU, and the Chinese Federation are near identical to Oceania, Eurasia, and Eastasia respectively.
- Lelouch is Emmanuel Goldstein, either V.V. or Charles is Big Brother, Suzaku is O'Brien, and either Kallen or Shirley is Winston Smith.
- From Living Lie Detector: Volume 4 of Code Geass R2 novel explains the origins of Nunnally's ability. Marianne conducted experiments with her own egg, giving Nunnally some powers derived from C.C. which allowed Nunnally to detect lies. The novel also reveals that it was Marianne's idea to blind Nunnally because Marianne had thought had removing one of the five senses would strengthen Nunnally's ability, which Marianne determined wasn't powerful enough.
- It actually could be considered a form of Fridge Brilliance when you realize that the Irregulars from the Nightmare of Nunnally spinoff manga gained artificial geass powers not bound by canon rules... which were granted via an injection of C.C. cells! Or it could also be Hilarious in Hindsight or Harsher in Hindsight, especially when you also know that NoN's Rolo was a clone who gained his geass via C.C. injections... as an egg himself!
- Black Knights-Dark Knights
- Maybe the third season will be based on Lelouch's Two Months of Terror.
- But the Two Months of Terror will include Evil Ben Franklin at the controls of a giant robot, right?!
- So then how did she end up with the maid and nobleman she thinks are her parents?
- Before R2: It would prevent the writers from having to do a timeskip. If the writers change enough plot twists and perhaps add a few chapters' worth of manga-exclusive material, they could end the series in the first season, albeit with a dramatically different ending.
- Before Shirley's death: Jeremiah got shot by Shirley insted of Viletta. While he does look fairly badly injured, there's still the question of whether he becomes a cyborg, Ensemble Dark Horse or not, in this version, and whether he gets the Geass Canceler.
- Before the Black Knights' mutiny: Viletta doesn't appear, so she might not exist to inform the Black Knights of Lelouch's Geass. Then again, Schniezel is present in this canon.
- Before Marianne is revealed as evil: She really is dead in Suzaku of the Counterattack, (Schniezel killed her for knowing too much about his plans for C.C.), and in the Nunnally manga, she was apparently killed by C.C. for wanting Lelouch and Nunnally to live normal lives), so it's possible that she might be killed off without coming back, if Charles doesn't have his Assimilation Plot. Then again, C.C. is talking with an unseen individual, but it might be yet another case of having a character fill another's roles (like Euphemia becoming Viceroy).
- Before Zero Requiem: It's entirely likely that the ending might be retooled considering the amount of controversy over whether Lelouch is dead, although this would likely necessitate changing several earlier plot developments. It's worth noting that in the Suzaku of the Counterattack manga, Lelouch lives, albeit missing his Geass eye.
- The manga proceeds to the finish with no changes more drastic than those that have already been made: Technically, there aren't any battles that could not hypothetically be replicated without Knightmares (or fused with other battles), or any removed characters whose actions cannot be taken up by others. On the other hand, making the manga too similar might not sit well with some sections of the fanbase, although others might argue that the changes are bad enough already.
- WARNING: Spoilers for Nightmare of Nunnally: According to this page of the NoN manga, all the Geass spinoffs and A Us are apparently connected in some way by that whole "collective unconscious" thingy they keep going on about. Seriously, Nunna even got a glimpse of the Euphinator and the first season showdown, as well as Zero Requiem. Oh, and in the NoN continuity, its Nunnally that rejects the Assimilation Plot, regains the use of her eyes and legs, and becomes a Britannian ambassador. Lelouch ends up actually fulfilling his contract with C.C., and the Black Knights never find out who Zero really is or what he fought for, leaving them guessing to the end. So, it would seem that NoN is a case of actually diverging permanently from the Anime canon.
- This was mainly about the Lelouch of the Rebellion manga, which has deviated from the plot on several regards, but hasn't permanently diverged. The only plot element Nightmare of Nunnally takes from the original anime after the battle for Narita is Charles and Marianne's Assimilation Plot.
- WARNING: Spoilers for Nightmare of Nunnally: According to this page of the NoN manga, all the Geass spinoffs and A Us are apparently connected in some way by that whole "collective unconscious" thingy they keep going on about. Seriously, Nunna even got a glimpse of the Euphinator and the first season showdown, as well as Zero Requiem. Oh, and in the NoN continuity, its Nunnally that rejects the Assimilation Plot, regains the use of her eyes and legs, and becomes a Britannian ambassador. Lelouch ends up actually fulfilling his contract with C.C., and the Black Knights never find out who Zero really is or what he fought for, leaving them guessing to the end. So, it would seem that NoN is a case of actually diverging permanently from the Anime canon.
- It was.
- It was never stated as such in the show, so unless it was in a guide book or something, you can't say that for sure. She did kiss him to make him remember and unlock his Geass again, but it was never stated that the kiss she gave him at the end of R1 was anything more than a kiss, or that it was in any way related to the kiss in episode 1 of R2.
- Many fans would claim that a happy ending wouldn't be possible for them until Suzaku suffered horribly for his perceived wrongs in R2.
- Wouldn't really call that happy; pretty much everything was still messed up.
- Well, they are both Sunrise series...
- This would explain why his plan felt so ramshackle: the writers didn't waste a perfectly good plot so much as "the plot" was quickly thrown together by Charles as a way of making Lelouch hate him. Hell, maybe Marianne was innocent and just played the part of the Knight Templar Parent as a way of stoking Lelouch's anger further.
- Actually they're pretty much coilguns.
- True. It's mentioned in the canon that the Code Geass 'verse differed from ours in several ways, including the fact that western society never adopted gunpowder (at least to the same extent we did).
It's also possible that certain details of what went on with the SAZ were "leaked", which if carefully selected would not only make Lelouch look like a monster, but also clear Euphie of responsibility for her actions, which would be a plus for both Lelouch and Suzaku.
- Unfortunately, for that to work they would also need to leak the information that Lelouch was Zero, which would seriously damage the credibility of both the Black Knights and Zerozaku after Lelouch's death. If Zero's true identity and the truth behind the SAZ incident both became common knowledge, then Lelouch's death at the hands of another Zero would cause a lot of confusion at the very least. How many people would have actually bought the "Zero is not a person, but a symbol" argument? Having the masses believe that Zero and Lelouch are separate seems much easier. Looks like "shedding enough blood to make the name of Princess Massacre be forgotten" really was the only thing Lelouch could do for Euphie.
- Not really. All the public knows is that Euphie went genocidal and that Zero shot her, which ended up killing her. They don't know that Zero had a Geass, or that Lelouch was Zero. They'd only know that Lelouch used his evil powers to force Euphemia to do something horrible, and that Zero did what he could to stop her. It would make both Euphie and Zero look noble, like a martyr and a reluctant killer, and make Lelouch seem that much more evil for forcing them to commit both actions.
- They even have similar powers. Shisui and later Danzo's ability to subtly influence people without them knowing resembles Lelouch's Geass power. The ability to anticipate moves (for example, Sasuke vs. Naruto in the Final Valley) resembles Bismarck's Geass.
- Which begs the question- who would win in a fight between Lelouch and Itachi Uchiha
- There'd be no fight. Leleouch would assassinate Itachi with poisoned Pocky. Itachi would try do that to Lelouch by sending him poisoned Pizza, but C.C. would eat it all and survive it due to her immortality.
- Which begs the question- who would win in a fight between Lelouch and Itachi Uchiha
- But how come he had a father? Jossed.
- As far as I know, Geass is the power of God. Also, maybe both Charles and Marianne already had their Geass before Lelouch was even conceived. Lelouch, therefore, was conceived by the power of Geass.
- Does that make Nunnally the Gnostic Sophia?
- Lelouch may have came back to life three days after his staged death.
- As far as I know, Geass is the power of God. Also, maybe both Charles and Marianne already had their Geass before Lelouch was even conceived. Lelouch, therefore, was conceived by the power of Geass.
- Possibly during World War II, if it ever happened. Adolf Hitler was dominating the EU, so to escape The Holocaust most people immigrated to Britannia, which was later revealed to have a similar tyrant: Charles.
- Perhaps the Europeans were displaced nobility who lost their positions of privileges during the Napoleonic Wars, and came to Britannia at the behest of an Emperor seeking to settle the land?
- The EU is really. . . the European Union.
- Euro Universe is actually the Advanced European Union, long-before the events of Gundam 00, which is why they???re so ineffectual throughout Code Geass.
- It was actually called the Soviet Union. That is why Europeans immigrated to Britannia, to escape communism.
- Or it was a Britannian puppet state. That is why Britannians never called themselves the "American Empire" despite losing Great Britain because they knew they won the war against Napoleon, they just decided to hide the truth to encourage hate. The "Europeans" that the Britannians were batttling at were actually "European liberation fronts" and exiled governments.
- It???s just independent unaffiliated countries, Euro Universe is a fiction created by the superpowers to concealing prosperous sovereign yet small nations could possibly exist, wouldn???t want the numbers to get any silly ideas about autonomy and self-determination. There never was anything like a block anything similar to Euro Universe???s bizarre amalgam of African and European unification. It makes sense considering even after Britannia???s ???victory??? over the alleged Euro Universe key EU territories like Scandinavia and England weren???t annexed. When Britannia had conquered most countries consisting of what was said to be the Euro Universe the plan was to form Euro Universe retroactively through extreme processes of defictionalization.
- It was based on a WMG about Real Life where one entry says that the Fourth Wall actually exists.
- But that means Nina's actions is in direct reference to...oh man.
Consider all the people who ask Lelouch to become Zero for real, and Suzaku's final fate.
- Given that the NoN writer was unconnected to the show's original creators, I don't think it was originally intended on their side - however, that just means that NoN is an example of Fan Wank from someone who is Running the Asylum. After all, at least some of the other changes in NoN, like Euphy becoming the Empress instead of dying the writer has heavily implied come from their desire to change the original anime plot for characters they liked. But that just happens to give me an idea of WMG of my own...
Not to mention that if certain fan speculation is correct, the other two main characters - who look rather like Suzaku and Lelouch Expies - may end up being ancestors of the respective Code Geass anime characters, which could tie it into the main anime plot. (And, incidentally mean that C.C. knew and associated with one of Suzaku's ancestors giving room to explain that particular connection)
- Update 3 chapters in: Well, so far the characters include Andreas Weinberg, who appears to be an Identical Grandfather to Gino and Claire Li Britannia, heir to the throne, which very strongly suggests there's at least some playing around with ancestors here. Renya has also pointedly refused to give a family name.
- This troper believes that his familiy name is Kozuki, due to the abilities and the overall look his mutated
Automailmechanical arm has, being similar to that of the Eadiation Wave arm of the Guren Mk. II.
- This troper believes that his familiy name is Kozuki, due to the abilities and the overall look his mutated
- Update 3 chapters in: Well, so far the characters include Andreas Weinberg, who appears to be an Identical Grandfather to Gino and Claire Li Britannia, heir to the throne, which very strongly suggests there's at least some playing around with ancestors here. Renya has also pointedly refused to give a family name.
- She is most likely Jewish, hence the self-hatred masquerading as racism towards non-Britannians. Actually, if members of the purist faction and similar beliefs were people who wanted to prove their loyalty by oppressing non-Britannians, someone like the obviously-African Viletta would suddenly make sense.
- Isn't Viletta "Native Britannian" thus making her of Native American decent? Also didn't an official source state that Nina suffered from Xenophobia due to where she was raised (she was harrased by Japanese or something)?
- Supposedly at a young age, Nina got lost or separated from her parents and ended up in one of the ghettos. She was obviously retrieved by her parents or the authorities quickly enough, but it left a lasting impression on her. Her xenophobia could also be caused by multiple factors, no one said it had to be just one. As for Viletta, there was never anything official regarding her ethnicity (other than Britannian), least of all "Native" status. In the Code Geass fanon, its actually assumed that the Britannians wiped out the native population of the Americas, taking IRL policies to their logical conclusion. Besides, Viletta's skin tone is far more reminiscent of an African-American in anime than that of a native.
- If I remember correctly, the Purebloods was for just that; pureblooded Britainnians. That would imply Viletta, whatever her racial background is, is considered to be a full, pure Britainnian.
- May be Viletta is really tanned?
- However, Euphie's death and Code Geass R2 had elements that weren't controlled by Moore himself.
- Hey, isn't Code Geass set somewhere in the 1960's, causing Alan Moore to have almost the same age as Lelouch?
- Maybe, he had a Geass that enables him to personify his future works of fiction.
- Or Alan Moore is Lelouch.
- Hey, in Code Geass even kids are given opportunities to be Chessmasters.
- However, it only happens either if they possess a Geass (such as Lelouch), or if they are part of a major sect (such as the Britannian Imperial Family).
- Expanded upon, it could be said that any serious leader in the Geass-verse had the Power of the King: Eowyn (The Super-King), William the Conqueror, Queen Elizabeth, the King during the era of Washington's Rebellion, and even Napoleon. The American rebel leaders (Jefferson, Washington, or Franklin) may have had Geass, as could have Elizabeth III, but they were Out-Gambitted.
- That would explain why the Britannia-owned Geass Order is inside its "worst enemy", the Chinese Federation. The desert where the Geass Order was located is the Gobi Desert, because it is the nearest desert to Japan.
- And the High Eunuchs. Don't forget they tried to force Tianzi to marry Odysseus, which would make no sense because China and Britannia are bitter enemies who can destroy each other so easily. Unless the eunuchs are actually Britannian nobilities...
- The Eunuchs outright state they are selling out their nation to Britainnia because they want to become Britainnian nobles; if they already were it would be redundant.
- And the High Eunuchs. Don't forget they tried to force Tianzi to marry Odysseus, which would make no sense because China and Britannia are bitter enemies who can destroy each other so easily. Unless the eunuchs are actually Britannian nobilities...
- Isn't there a trope for that?
- Lampshaded during the Assimilation Plot episode, where Charles is saw using what looked like a Lance of Longinus to kill "God", which might represent the Kabbalistic Tree of Life.
- Both Geass and the Sword of Akasha are just fancy renames for the Lance of Longinus. Lance(Sword) of Longinus(Akasha)
- While discussing Lance of Longinus look-alikes: did anyone else notice the similarities between the Lance and the Anti-FLEIJA device invented by Nina? It's basically a spear!
- That is because Schneizel is trying to start his own (more realistic) version of Instrumentality (by scaring the crap out of the population instead of using metaphysical technology). However, this time Nukes replace God.
- If Geass are the Lances of Longinus, Codes can be considered as S2 Engines.
- And Code Geass seems to have parallels to Eva itself. See other guesses for example.
- Doubtful. Her skin tone seems more "African" than "Asiatic", she would have otherwise borne a resemblance to the Japanese. The Britannians likely killed off all the natives, anyway.
- She's both: One parent Native Britannian, the other from Africa.
Their plans were derailed after the Euphemia debacle and they had to again go into hiding in which time, Nunnaly became governess of Area 11 and Kaguya became the sole leader of Kyoto. As Suzaku advanced through the ranks, they enlisted Anya's help to spy (After all, who's going to be alarmed if she takes pictures of everything?) until Zero returned. Once that happened, Nunnaly gambled on Euphie's Special Zone, hoping that Zero would take the people and run (Further aided by Tianze's forces in China). The Emperess' arranged marrige was a bump in the road but, banking on Xiangke's involvement, everyone moved forward and the Empress' Moe behavior got the Eunuchs killed.
The Fleja detonation and the Black Knights turning on Lelouch were not intended and at this point, the three decided to cut their losses and run. Lelouch's ascension to the throne put things back in motion as they once again gambled on Lelouch's love for Nunnaly powering his desire to create a new world for her. In the end, the Zero Requiem takes off and once the dust clears, who's left running things? Let's see, Nunnaly is left Empress Regent, Kaguya is in a posistion of considerable power in a liberated Japan and Tianzi is left in unquestioned power in China. Just as planned.
- Except that they didn't plan on still being virgins once the dust settled. That Lelouch always messes up the important stuff!
- Oh, come on, if he had that kind of money, he'd have married Milly a long time ago.
Kratos stabs himself with his own sword to suicide and give hope to the world, and The Stinger paves the way to Epileptic Trees about whether he really died. Lelouch dies by assisted suicide by letting himself get stabbed by his own sword to give hope to the world, and the ending paves the way to Epileptic Trees about wheter he really died... until Word of Zeus came.
- Jossed by the fact that the FLEIJA is a nuclear weapon, and it's clear that no one before Nina even figured out how to enrich uranium.
- It's a possibility. Ireland may or may not (see above) have been part of Britannia, and regardless, there would still have been lots of Irish immigration. Reading the other WMGs regarding French influence in Code Geass, it's likely that Shirley has a French-sounding last name due to Franco-Irish heritage. Adding to that, many Catholic Irishmen would be willing to marry Frenchmen, as in IRL, which would explain the Catholic/Anglican-looking funeral her father got.
- As well, Shirley is mentioned as being based on Anne Shirley. Not only does this explain her name, personality, and character design, but also (being Britannian) her possible heritage, since a lot of Irish people immigrated to the East Coast / Maritimes regions of the U.S. and Canada.
- Wow, Kaname Ohgi is awesome now! I knew he had it in him!
- Allow me to take it a step further. Villetta wanted a better life, or at least to be on the winning team. She finds her first big break when she discovers the identity of Zero, only to go through an amnesiac phase after getting shot by Shirley. Nonetheless, by the start of the second season, she is promoted to nobility, and the head of the security detail overseeing Lelouch, because of her knowledge of Lelouch's Geass and identity as Zero. Nonplussed that her relationship with Ohgi is found out by Lelouch and used to blackmail her out of ratting on him, she attempts to kill Ohgi, until he protects her from Sayoko. Later, during Schneizel's discussion with the Black Knights, it turns out Villetta is the one who told Ohgi that Lelouch couldn't be trusted with his Geass. So what if Lelouch wasn't indiscriminate with his Geass, and actually loved Shirley, among other things that proved he was actually a decent guy? (And quite possibly that she might have known he couldn't use it more than once on the same person.) Villetta clearly hated his guts, and wanted him gone due to what she had gone through since they met, and what better way than to cause the betrayal with Ohgi? After Lelouch wasn't executed on the spot, she conspired with Ohgi to set up the other aforementioned events in motion, got knocked up, sat the rest of the battle on Horai Island until Lelouch had himself executed, and got herself hitched to her partner in crime. To quote a certain psycho paedophile, it was the woman who led the man astray. Well played, you Magnificent Bitch.
- Without his geass he has blue/purple eyes. Though his hair is white..
- And... most Real Life albinos have blue/purple eyes! So his natural eye color is pretty realistic for someone with albinism.
- Without his geass he has blue/purple eyes. Though his hair is white..
- The great irony, of course, being that in canon, lack of control over his own destiny is one of the things Lelouch loathes most.
- Yeah, it'd be just too cruel to let this magnificent punk-ass die a virgin with all the shit he's been through.
- He's pretty much asexual though.
- It looks that way because this animé or animé in general can't handle romance well.
- BTW, he also shagged Shirley.
- He's pretty much asexual though.
- Since when have Britannians not been pretentious? It's practically their civilization's defining characteristic.
- Remember that sexy bodies and good lays aren?t necessarily mutually exclusive.
- Well, if Charles managed to seduce and marry 108 women, then if Lelouch has only 10% of his ability, he could seduce 10 without problems. Also, the whole "Next Emperor" thing is a giant pissing contest, so the next Emperor must be the one with the greatest... "material advantage".
- I am morbidly curious as to how Nunnally or Kallen (Or Zerozaku) would respond to that.
- Why do you think it became a hit? Kallen loved that Lelouch had a redhead as a lover, and Nunnally just plain loved it. Zero Zaku had a really disturbed face, though, when Nunnally forced him to go with her, but since he was wearing a mask, and in a private box, no one saw it.
- Springtime for Lelouch and Britannia! Winter for the UFN!
- Apparently, according to Word of God Suzaku has already lost his virginity when the main series starts. So, it's a bit late now. Though the funny part is I've seen most of this argument also used by Lelouch/Suzaku shippers. Especially the "jealous" part.
- I heard that too, but I thought it was mostly fandom speculation. In any case, even if he did, Lelouch wouldn't know, would he? ;)
- WAIT. Just who did Suzaku lose his virginity to?! Well, I guess it doesn't matter, but deyamn...!
- I don't think we're ever actually told (though some people theorise it's the older woman he lived with before joining the army) - I suppose it's just a point of contrast between him and Lelouch.
- And here I was going to theorise that he did it with Nina, thus killing two birds with one stone.
- Source of the Word of God, please?
- Supposedly it's mentioned in one of the Japanese DVD commentaries during the first season.
- Well he was supposed to marry Kaguya, so maybe she's the one. If that's the case, Suzaku might actually wind up with something resembling a happy ending after the series is over. Kaguya is still in love with Zero, and with Suzaku being the new Zero, Kaguya becomes his New Old Flame.
- Lelouch DID have the code, until he showed Nunnally that he really wasn't a bad guy so he could die in peace. He then gives his code to Suzaku. After Lelouch's death Suzaku uses his position as Zero to take control of a newly unified Humanity and brings about an age of technology. With Battle Sister Kallen, Inquisitor Jerimiah and Tech Priest Lloyd, he creates a vast Empire. He also uses his own genetic material for his Space Marines, unfortunately because of cloning issues they aren't able to run up walls or do triple spin kicks.
- Euphemia: When she's about to die, Lelouch tells her she was his first love.
- Nunnally: He's just a little too close to her. I mean, he'll go so far as to wipe her face off when it gets dirty, something Nunnally should be able to do for herself, sight or no sight.
And a couple more suggestions:
- Suzaku: Lelouch is obsessed with having Suzaku on his side, is devasted by him being an enemy on a level only Nunnally really compared to, he's one of the rare few people Lelouch admits he doesn't want to ever Geass, and even after all they have done to each other still thinks of Suzaku as his best friend. And then there's all that Ho Yay...
- He's asexual: Lelouch has no sexual/romantic drive at all. While there are many characters he cares about and loves, he isn't in love with any of them, which is why he is so awkward when they declare their affection to him - he wants them to be happy, but is unable to properly reciprocate that sort of relationship with any of them.
- He said he was in love with Euphie though. He could be Asexual but not aromantic.
- Doubt that, too. He was totally checking out Kallen's boobs at that one part.
- His asexuality could be psychological in nature. He didn't have the ideal role model for a father figure (108 Wives that he supposedly cared nothing for), so his views on that may be a bit... biased against his father. On top of that, the only females he interacted with during his childhood years were his mother, sisters, step-mothers, and servants. Add to that the trauma he faced, seeing his mother die and the one country he came to feel at home in get brutally invaded and oppressed while he and his sister barely survived, as well as the fact that said sister a blind cripple who required constant attention. On top of that, he's in the middle of orchestrating a rebellion in Japan, so he's kinda pre-occupied. Combined with regular teenage awkwardness, he could just be a fish out of water when it comes to flirting and dating, not quite sure how to handle himself. He could also be (consciously? unconsciously? Subconsciously?) trying to distance himself from his father.
- He said he was in love with Euphie though. He could be Asexual but not aromantic.
- Plenty, but it doesn't take away from the humour of imagining Kallen's Stepmother as a mastermind...
- Britannia is still an absolute monarchy, which indicates that Oliver Cromwell's parliament forces lost the English Civil War.
- Australia is apparently not part of Britannia. While one possible explanation is that, since they retained the American colonies, they had no need to colonise Australia, it's also possible that the Eureka rebellion under Peter Lalor led to a widespread revolution in Australia.
So here's the rest of my theory. Lelouch is a later incarnation of the Eternal Champion, of whom Elric was one of. In fact, out of all of the other Eternal Heroes Lelouch is the most like Elric. Shirley, not Euphemia, is an incarnation of Elric's human wife Zarozinia and Emperor Charles is the reincarnation of Theleb K'aarna, a powerful sorcerer and devout worshipper of the Demon Lord Arioch and of Chaos in general. Euphemia is a considerably kinder and gentler reincarnation of Cymoril while Suzaku is Dyvim Slorm, Elric's cousin and best friend, reborn, if such a thing were possible. And all of the Geass are sapient constructs of Chaos just like Stormbringer. Besides, doesn't this sound like it would be a perfect song for the Black Prince? And this one would be perfect for Lelouch's relationship to his Geass.
- Not to forget all the French in this show, such as the names.
- Not to mention the fact that French was the language of international communication, at least among the European elites, until it got displaced by English due to the combined influence of the Empire Where The Sun Never Sets and The Land Of The Free. Since the latter never came into existence, the former is still being formed (Britannia only started a significant expansion into the Eastern Hemisphere during the events of the series) and France came out on top in the Napoleonic wars, it is likely that French never lost its status. Combine this with the French colonies in the Western Hemisphere and possibly a large exodus of anti-Napoleonist aristocrats and bourgeois from all over Europe to Britannia (which could explain why they have names like Lamperouge, Maldini, Gottwald and Kruszewski), and it becomes very likely that at least the ruling class of Britannia speaks French as a primary language. However, they have to be at least bilingual, since all their writings are in English.
- It's likely Britannians speak English as a first language, and use French as the Lingua Franca. Meanwhile, take a good look at the Fleur du Lis that serves as the Ashford Academy crest.
- Some of the French-sounding names may actually be the Britannian equivalents to Canadians in the Code Geass Universe. Since the French Canadians would have been assimilated into the Britannian Empire much earlier than others (a possible Area 1, perhaps?), they've been accepted as Britannians by this point. Hence, names like Lamperouge and Fenette could be originally from Quebec (which would be "North Britannia" at this point?). Nunnally is really a crapshoot for being an ethnic descriptor, since a wiki search reveals only that it is American as far as we know, and that the only case of it being a given name aside from here is with a guy.
- Alternatively, Marianne (and by extent Lelouch and Nunnally) are distant descendants of Normans (who invaded England under William the Conqueror in real-life's 1066). The Lamperouge family may have kept their French names, but more or less abandoned the French culture long ago in order to better-integrate with Britannian culture.
- Also, as an addendum, take a look at Ashford's symbol. Could it be influenced by their royal benefactor, which they decided to keep after her murder?
- We were all hypnotized when Lelouch first used his Geass on the soldiers that were about to shoot him. The exact moment is when we see the minds of the soldiers being scrambled.
- Think about it, Lelouch in R2 23/24 blew up Mount Fuji, where 70% of the world's sakuradite is mined. By destroying Mount Fuji and it's sakuradite, he caused a situation where sooner or later, war would break out over the last of the remaining sakuradite.
- There would also have to be some Time Travel involved, and Rolo would have to have some sort of reversed Oedipus/Elektra Complex to want Lelouch's affections so bad. Just don't tell Milly, she might get ideas...
- The main Evangelion charcters have somehow been reincarnated into Code Geass characters: Shinji Ikari became Lelouch Lamperouge, Rei Ayanami became C.C., Asuka Langley Soryu became Kallen Stadfeld, which leaves Gendo Ikari who became Emperor Charles Vi Brittania.
- No way. Lelouch is obviously Kaworu "He Died For Your Sins" Nagisa, Anya Alstreim is clearly Rei, and Shinji himself has been split into Suzaku Kururugi and Rolo Lamperouge. Marianne would fit with your theory as Yui Ikari, Milly would be Misato Katsuragi, and Cecile would be Maya Ibuki. C.C. is much harder to place, maybe EVA-01 or Lilith?
- The fact that Shinji and Rolo shared an English voice actor helps.
- Actually, Rolo would be Kaworu and Suzaku would be Toji. As For EVA-01, obviously that would be Marianne.
- Perhaps Rolo has Kaworu's place in the story and Shinji's personality, with Lelouch being the vice-versa. It wouldn't be the first time Sunrise decided to play with established character archetypes (in this case, Gainax), just like the archetypes they themselves created (i.e. Char, Kira and Lacus). Suzaku would thus be a fusion of Shinji and Toji, while both Diethard and Rivalz would just be Kensuke. Maybe all the mechs are representations EVA-01, especially the Mark Nemo! This would explain Anya in the Mordred going all mindscrewey back in China and at the Second Battle of Tokyo.
- So, Ms. Kouzaki cheated on Mr. Stadfeldt? Where'd the red hair and blue eyes come from, though?
- So, they gave her up for adoption or something?
- He seems to be playing a game of Xanatos Speed Chess, since it's unlikely that he could see the sheer amount of Ass Pulls performed by Suzaku and a few other things he couldn't have ever predicted. Now, if he was from the future...
- Hmm... Lelouch and Light do the New World. This title holds promise...
- Pfft. Alfred is obviously Sayoko. Or maybe Jeremiah... Catwoman was split into C.C. and Kallen.
- Lelouch is pride. He wants to rule the world for Nunnally.
- C.C. is gluttony. She eats pizza, what do you expect?
- Kallen is lust. She loves Lelouch/Zero.
- Rolo is envy. That's why he killed Shirley.
- Suzaku is wrath. He'll do anything to change the world, even if he has to betray his own friends.
- Marianne is sloth. Well, for starters, she has managed to transfer herself to Anya and does nothing.
- Charles is greed. He's the Emperor, what do you expect?
- L becomes Suzaku, Sayu becomes Nunnally, Rem becomes Euphemia, Mello becomes Mao, Mikami becomes Rolo, Raye becomes Clovis, Naomi becomes Cornelia, Aizawa becomes Jeremiah, Shiori becomes Shirley, Near becomes Schneizel, Matt becomes Lloyd, Sachiko becomes Marianne...
- Honestly, I see Lelouch as L and either Suzaku and/or Schneizel as Light. Word of God says that L was "a little bit evil", and both Suzaku and Schneizel clearly jump of the slippery slope, so maybe this is them in a role-reversal? Near is likely represented by Suzaku taking on the Zero persona at the end of the series, and Schneizel's defeat at their hands mirror's Light's defeat by the teaming up of Near and Mello in the name of L.
- An interesting idea. Only... I'm pretty sure that it was a repressed memory that Mao dug up, since it's pretty clear that Suzaku had been remembering the incident ever since Narita. Things only came to a head during the confrontation with Mao.
According to the character bios (and other secondary information), the Tianzi's personal name in Jiang Lihua. After checking some sources, I came to the (tentative) conclusion that Lihua was her personal name (after looking up the name Lihua and finding it to be an actual Chinese girls' name) and Jiang her family name. It also fits in with the "surname first" style of Asian naming. Anyway, after looking up "Jiang" as a surname, I also discovered that it could be transliterated as "Chiang" (or as several variations, really). The most famous Chiang during the era of the Chinese revolution and the early 20th century is, in fact, Chiang Kai-Shek, who took over the Republic of China (Nationalist China) after Sun Yat-sen died. As many WMGs and fanon assume that the Chinese Federation was established during an Alternate History of this period, it would make sense that he would take advantage of the political chaos to establish his own dynasty. Considering the fact that Britannia is effectively America with an absolute monarchy, and Europe is unified under a Napoleonic Empire/Republic, it actually makes sense that history would take this course. This also fits with the "Mao is an illegitimate son of the last Emperor" WMG, since Mao is the name of another well known Chinese revolutionary.
- After the emperor killed V.V. Lelouch used the geass in him. again, lelouch used the geass in him it suppose that once you obtain the code you are immune to the geass effects. Second, the emperor fall when he shot himself. it wasn't an acting, he was dead for like ten seconds. then Lelouch use the geass but it doesn't work, but this time was different to other times. when C.C. kill the woman that gave her a Geass we can see she has a big injury. the injury is, clearly, fatal. now the important thing, until you die and become immortal you are still able to use your geass. when you are immortal, your heart doesn't work anymore so you can pretend be dead whenever you want to avoid being discovered, as it looks in the first chapter with C.C, thanks to this, he was able to pretend be dead until he escaped with C.C.
- It could even be that he genuinely thought he would die not knowing about this. That way he can both still be alive and be a hypocrite about those who are prepared to die statement.
But it will only be as a joke, obviously. In reality, it would be used to draw attention to:
Code Geass R2 actually suffered some similar problems that plagued the original EVA anime: notably, EVA's budget problems correspond to R2's scheduling and pacing difficulties. Once a few years have passed, and the flame wars have died down while nostalgia and interest have grown, Sunrise will remake the series a la Rebuild. Likely, this will be done in the form of 6 to 8 films: 3 or 4 OVAs or films per season, with the first four being a retelling of Code Geass whilst the last four would be a re-imagining of R2. This could include:
- A retelling of R2 with better pacing (without the need to retell R1 the same way R2 did due to the schedule changes) and without having to squeeze it all into 25 episodes.
- A retelling of R2 that incorporates many of the original scenarios that the story team had developed (ex. Fem!Zero and Lelouch joining the BKs as himself, running against Schneizel in an election). See the "What Could Have Been" page for more info on that.
- An expansion of the whole story, with more focus on Geass, C.C.'s past, Mao, World History, Suzaku's connection to Geass, Charles and V.V.'s childhoods (the "Emblem of Blood"), Marianne's past, and many other unanswered questions (The "Pudding Earl", anyone?).
Right now, the only other way they could continue to milk the cash cow would be to turn Code Geass into a Gundam analogue, give it a multiverse, and incorporate the manga and other non-canon series into it. Nightmare of Nunnally seems to hint that this was a possibility, if Nunnally's explanation at the end is any indication.
Seeing that the game was going to turn into a draw, Schneizel tried a last-ditch effort to turn it to his side by breaking the rules when he puts his king by Zero's. If Lelouch says that's an illegal move, Zero comes off as seeming sort of petty. If he takes the king, then Schneizel sits backs and smirks, having forced Lelouch to take the move he forced him to do. He might lose the chess match, but it forces a psychological battle with very few options for Lelouch to take.
- Even if Euro Universe brutally colonized Africa it would be really hard to be worse than the casual genocide indicative of Britannia.
Alternative to two theories above - Geass was created by some ancient cult of Tzeentch. It gives powers over mind, it's users takes part in all bigger changes in the world and with time they undergo transformation that they find horrible. And it explains Lelouch's legendary bad luck - knowing how much Tzeentch loves screwing up his followers, he probably had a time of his life with Lulu.
- But aren't Geass effects cancelled when someone has the Code?
- ...in reality only steal cars?
- There is no Polish government in this world. Her ancestors are nobles of Middle or East Europe who escaped to Britannia when Napoleon took over.
- Or, if we're to assume that she's not Japanese, her name could still come to mean "Snow (White)" in some other language. Alternatively, her name could be Chloenote (just look at her hair!)
- (Same poster) Or, her name could be "Amanda" (meaning "worthy of being loved"), which alludes to her desire to be loved and consequent "love me" geass.
- This was a completely Aborted Arc after season 1, but the All There in the Manual Alternate History lessons included in the Japanese season 1 DVD release strongly suggested that her name at the time was planned to be Elizabeth. As in Elizabeth III, the fictional queen who was involved with the founding of Britannia that caused Code Geass's world to really split off from real world events. This would then become the justification for her involvement with Britannia, reinforce the ongoing theme of her involvement with people making things worse, and tie into multiple other elements in the script. Of course, they more or less dropped the whole name plotline in season 2, so who knows what they'd want to do now, if anything.
Rivalz was the one who added that silent z to the end of his name because Zs are cool and Rivalz so desperately wanted to be cool. Unfortunately, Rivalz's parents thought adding a silent letter to his name was stupid and it all just snowballed from there. They finally got so upset they shipped him off to Japan just to be rid of him.
At one point, there was a British person with a geass similar to Lelouch, capable of ordering people to do anything. When he found the thought elevator near the big ben (shown at one point in the series). When he saw the collective unconscious and realized what it was, he commanded it to remember a world wherein Britain was still the supreme power, was fascist and controlled its colonies (more likely but less poetic alternative: he was a loon who just liked yelling at random people and was busy doing so when he stumbled in).
While the exact point of divergence is a bit tricky (at the latest, it would have been just before V.V. got his code), it does explain some of the problems. Britain has pure-blooded british people who aren't white (like viletta nu) because those people were already living in america when the geass took effect. Pizza (and pizza huts) are tolerated in Britain because there were already pizza restaurants in the americas when the geass took effect and they were thus said to be part of british culture. Similarly, there were numerous asians in the americas, so Kallen wouldn't look out of place as a pureblood. The many other historical similarities also make more sense this way, like most countries having the same name and similar cultures as in real life.
Jeremiah's affinity to the woman is understandable. He was the head of her royal guard and couldn't do a thing while she died. He greatly admired her as a noble empress despite her birth and worked tirelessly to protect her children. But what was up with Bismarck's obsession with her? What was the deal behind the top knight of the round's posthumous obsession with his boss's wife?
Well, as with most versions of the Arthurian legend, the top knight of the realm was having it off with the que— uh, empress. He was clearly in posthumous mourning for his illicit lover. He even dies with her name on his lips!
- Confirmed to be a brainwashed Lelouch.
- or Nina was new at that kind of thing and wouldn't have had anything that would normally be used for that purpose so she had to improvise. (a table is still an odd choice.)
- Jossed Cornellia was Marianne's knight.
- In a similar vein, Anya wasn't at Marianne's villa merely for proper etiquette, she was being trained by Marianne to be either Lelouch or Nunnally's knight.
- Or she was being raised to be Lelouch's WIFE.
- more likely Lelouch was originally intended for Milly as part of the alliance between Marianne and the Ashford family. The Ashfords likely planned to bootstrap their way into royalty by helping Marianne become a princess, and then in turn getting Marianne to marry her eldest son (Lelouch) to an Ashford granddaughter (Milly) making her into a princess as well.
- apparently in the light novels Anya was made Nunnally's knight in the year between the two seasons of the anime.(i haven't actually read them just Anya's page on the wiki [1] so i don't know any of the details)
- Or she was being raised to be Lelouch's WIFE.
- So, can the cart get across water then?
- Alternatively, she actually left him inside her memories in C's World with the spirit version of herself.
- Came from backgrounds that are considered to be looked down upon by Britannians
- Pilots
- Same eye shape
- Both have large breasts
- Both are determined
The American Revolution failed because history was rewritten so that Benjamin Franklin would recognize his superiority and rule over others rather than aid the revolution. The Britannian royalty are all geniuses because he became emperor and they are all his descendants, and so Yamato's desire for the most deserving to rule is met: Franklin and his descendants control the world for 99 generations. Then, Lelouch, despite not quite being the smartest of the bunch, overthrows it all because he has better personal qualities such as selfishness, which Yamato showed he valued when he said those with power abuse it and when he sacrificed himself in Ronaldo's path. Furthermore, the Sword of Akasha could be the Akasha Stratum, and it would literally kill Polaris, who Charles would see as God, who controls the collective unconscious of humanity just like Charles wanted to, explaining how Lelouch geasses humanity's unconscious; he only geassed Polaris to rewrite hunanity to push for change.
And if Lelouch was aiming for this reaction he'll relish in it a bit. Because no amount of broadcasted evil laughs are ever enough.
Because he probably does need a hug.
- There might also be Broad Strokes applied so that the Compilation Movie could have still have potentially happened. Either Shirley is Back from the Dead, or was never killed to begin with depending on which version.
- The Ragnarok Connection succeeding would have lead to the worldline being pruned
- Lelouch killed Charles before he disappeared.
- Nunnally saw Lelouch's memories when she touched him before he died.
- C.C.'s monologue at the end isn't her to talking to Marianne anymore, but wouldn't it be risky to speak of Geass in earshot of some random guy?
- The title of the anime, Code Geass, would be specifically referring to Lelouch losing his Geass in exchange for a Code.
- The second season's title, R2, would not only be referring to it being "Round 2" of Code Geass, but Lelouch's new name, like C.C. and V.V. Because of Japanese Ranguage, Lelouch Lamperouge would be something like "Rerouch Rampelouge".